Scientists Are Changing Their Minds (EVIDENCE For God!)

In this video, Dr. Stephen C Meyer & Jonathan Pageau explore the powerful implications of the latest findings in DNA.
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[@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom]

We're going go be reading Dr. Meyers latest book within The Wisdom Society... and then, I'm extremely excited to announce that he is going to join us in a Q&A and discussion for the final meeting. Super excited for that! (This is going to be in a few months). This month, we're reading "Is God A Vindictive Bully" by Paul Copan and meeting weekly to discuss the book. We'll also be joined by Dr. Copan to dig into tough passages in the Old Testament. It's been awesome so far! Would love to see more of ya'll there. Check out more details about The Wisdom Society HERE: www.dailydoseofwisdom.co/join-the-wisdom-society-yt

[@Lillianachimp]

It doesn't point to Jesus, correct. But it's a starting point as it does so indirectly.

[@blackmancer]

The God of the Bible is just an ET who came here. One alien among many. His words are just words, I'm done with God, he has let me down and I'm sick of being let down. As a believer of over 30yrs, I'm throwing all my Bibles etc out. He doesn't rescue anyone, he loves to see people suffer. Fuck you God, fkn punk. Prove me wrong, it doesn't matter anymore.

[@NatanKohen-b3k]

​how is to point out to Jesus correct? Can you please explain?

[@blackmancer]

The God of the Bible is just one ET among many. I'm a believer for 30yrs but God has let me down. I'm throwing out all my Bibles, I'm fkn done with that punk. The God of the Bible just loves to see people suffer. He doesn't help you out, he wants you to suffer. What a POS.

[@absolstoryoffiction6615]

YHWH isn't real, given history of El and Yahweh in Anceint Era. While the Bible for Creationists is horribly misunderstood as the Bible does not directly Date the Earth's creation in the 3rd Dimension. "6 Days" or "6k years" is highly dependent on Dimensional Perspective. Thus, in the 3rd Dimension, it is false to claim that Earth and the Cosmos took 6k years to be designed. All human religions can be disproven as myth. But that doesn't mean it disproves Gods beyond human existence. Only of human religions. Their are only two outcomes in the origin of the Universe... A Mind or a Tool, or a mix of both. Creator(s), Matrix Equation Tesseract Modules, or anything of that nature. How do I know?... ... ... Because I created Existence and Nothingness before I was "here" on Earth. It is the first thing I learned in creating omnipotence. I know this to be true when I can easily erase this planet and construct it back in full with omniscient design. I even built the Matrix Equation to create designs in the back ground of my own consciousness. I'm not religious but the ability to Create the Cosmos is a very low bar from where I come from. A full brink 3rd Dimensional Species can do that, and that's how low the bar goes. "God" is not a thing to us. In fact, no one is God. Even those from the highest level of existence on the 9th Dimension of Omnipotence. Sadly, this world lacks the ability to master the cosmos.

[@ingaz6565]

“The first gulp from the glass of natural sciences will turn you into an atheist, but at the bottom of the glass God is waiting for you.” Werner Heisenberg, a 1932 Nobel laureate and father of quantum mechanics.

[@DM-dk7js]

Whom didn’t prove god exists.

[@stevenwhite8937]

@@DM-dk7jsbut was smart enough to perceive Him from the things made so he didn’t feel the need to make excuses…..

[@bullymaguire9987]

​@@DM-dk7jsThere's no such thing as proof. There's only evidence, and those who fit the evidence into their preferred worldview.

[@stevenwhite8937]

@@bullymaguire9987 exactly…. Evidence: an entire fossil record where not one fossil of any creature shows evidence of evolutionary change for any fossils found of that creature Worldview:Kind reproduces after Kind. Evidence: experiments with fruit flies produce only fruit flies. E. coli produce only E. coli. Peas only more peas: Worldview: Kind reproduces after Kind. Evidence: deer produce only deer. Maple trees produce only maple trees. Influenza viruses only produce influenza viruses. Worldview: Kind reproduces after Kind….

[@RingoFirearms]

beautiful quote but i think its actually fake

[@pablosepulvedavaldes]

I am a computer engineer, and whenever I talk about the existence of a creator with my professional colleagues, I give them an example similar to the one you give: "If we arrive on Mars and find a sign that says 'Welcome to Mars,' would you think it happened by chance after billions of years?" A good way to demonstrate the intelligence behind DNA is to show them that it is a Turing machine. As computer engineers, we understand that immediately. We know that it is a highly complex computer, and we immediately realize that DNA cannot be a product of chance because it has everything necessary to be a state machine, essentially, a computer.

[@mcmanustony]

Why is so much of the genome junk?

[@colinsmith1288]

​@@mcmanustonyBut is it. Or the mechanisms of such genomes not yet understood.

[@01MTodd]

I agree with you all the way up to the last sentence. That is where you leave reality and enter the fey wild. As a computer engineer, it would do you some good to try to understand natural selection and evolution. It clearly lays out how a Turing machine can arise naturally without guidance by an intelligence. Proteins are naturally evolved nano machines. Genes are naturally occurring strings of information. Ribosomes are naturally occurring decoders of the genetic information. And brains are naturally occurring organs that collect and process sensory information and output behaviors (linguist and otherwise). It's really fascinating, and if you can shed your apparent supernatural biases, you might find it as cool as I do.

[@01MTodd]

@@colinsmith1288 A lot of it is junk. Our genome is littered with copy after copy of viral genomes and "transposable elements" that collected like junk over evolution. In fact, there is 10 times more DNA contained in copies of a single transposable element called an All sequence than is contained in all of our genes combined (which is only a few percent of the entire genome).

[@infinitum5425]

Absolutely ; We are computers of a divine creation . Our hearts & minds along with all organs & individual cells are fired by electrical synaptic& neuron pathways ; electricity that we ourselves generate. May just dont realise that construct because many think of computers as containers of metal & wires! But we are also containers of metals & wires ( nerves ) ! We have been construcuted & programmed through the coded binary pathways of DNA through mRNA translation!

[@radmcbad1576]

“Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is-his good, pleasing and perfect will.”

[@liannemarie2504]

My 9-year-old has this verse memorized!

[@ianhansen6840]

Which version is that? The wording is different than I remember

[@radmcbad1576]

@@ianhansen6840 New International Version

[@radmcbad1576]

@@liannemarie2504 That is definitely cool

[@paultrosclair1775]

Romans 1:20 KJV For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

[@rontate7719]

Greek philosophy and or Egyptian 7.3.2024

[@I9IIEIIYIIEIIS]

God! NOT Religion.

[@stillraven9415]

There is no such thing as a simple cell. One cell is more complicated and amazing than the entire world industry.

[@binhanh296]

Yet people still believe that it somehow came together on it's own by some crazy miraculous "chance".

[@larrycarter3765]

@@binhanh296 @binhanh296 Yet people still believe that it somehow came together with crazy miraculous god thingey waving a magic wand for 6 days!

[@beadoll8025]

​@@larrycarter3765 You believe in a miracle happening too but without a Miracle Maker aka God. One is totally illogical and one is not.

[@binhanh296]

@@larrycarter3765 if there is a powerful God with an infinite power, it makes infinite more sense that He can create everything and create life simply by saying it, and no stick waving needed. There is zero point exist that life can ever come naturally on it's own from non-life materials yet people still believe it like crazy, then they turn around and mock people who believe in God when there are many points that point directly at Him.

[@DM-dk7js]

@@beadoll8025no. We don’t say “life exists because X”, you do.

[@thadofalltrades]

The fact that there are processes within the cell and body that aren't controlled by DNA adds so much additional complexity it's mind boggling

[@mirandahotspring4019]

Complex, but quite understandable to science.

[@timothykeith1367]

Much is not fully understood yet

[@mirandahotspring4019]

@@timothykeith1367 No, cellular biology is pretty well understood.

[@ThatAnnoyingGuy96]

Complexity does not mean design

[@absolstoryoffiction6615]

​@@ThatAnnoyingGuy96 Yes and no... Because I can replicate the human body if I had my original form instead of this human body. I can do so exactly but sadly my human form is limited.

[@QUE1567]

“…all these invisible forces that constrain reality.” That phrase is mouthful…of God.

[@JesseDriftwood]

Except that these invisible forces have no agency, and they act deterministically. Does that sound like a description of God? Does God act like gravity?

[@QUE1567]

@@JesseDriftwood With gravity, God anchors us to this world. The gravity is not so heavy as to crush us or too light to allow us to float away…it anchors us. We choose whether to “anchor” ourselves to God. Never thought of gravity that way…thank you.

[@Morewecanthink]

@@QUE1567 - Hebrews 1, 1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

[@PaulTheHermit77]

All those in search of Truth are really looking for God wether they realise it or not....

[@jonassrensen4341]

There is no truth. Only perception and understanding

[@griznation9942]

Well said! As He told us, Jesus is the way, the TRUTH, and the life.

[@griznation9942]

@@jonassrensen4341 Your statement is meaningless without a TRUTH to be perceived and understood.

[@AzimuthTao]

Which God?

[@stevepierce6467]

Hmmm, truth. I find truth every day in my garden and compost pile. We (all living beings) are born, grow up, bear fruit (that part was really fun!!!), wither (this part is not so much fun, at age 75), die, decompose and become nutrients for new blooming fruitful life, for all eternity until our sun explodes. And even then our atoms will get blasted out into space to merge ultimately into matter some place else. No god or supernatural fairy tales involved

[@pearljameric]

Im in a transition period coming back to Christ. Many years away and this makes so much sense but in reality is hard to accept after years of being brainwashed.

[@wet-read]

Brainwashed?

[@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom]

Welcome back! Just go all in with Jesus bro, He won’t let you down 🙌

[@FunWithMastaAce]

@@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom this is the way. 🙏🏼

[@shannabanana7080]

You’re not alone! I was also the prodigal son, came back around after 40 years. God is good ❤

[@stevenwhite8937]

I spent 20 years arguing for evolution. Then I actually started looking at the evidence, not just parroting what I was supposed to say and have been a creationist for the last 25 years. The more science I learned the more I came to believe.

[@taylorschneider4744]

Blessed be the Lord! May the Truth be told that overcomes the lie. God is good,.all the time! ❤

[@ThatAnnoyingGuy96]

God Commits genocide 3 times Impragnates a minor 1 time Commands genocide 1 time Tourtures people multiple times times Murders children multiple times Created Satan all evil Created all sickness Created death Created sadness And mor in the bibke😊😊😊

[@jvlbme]

Right? Surely there is nothing bad about war, disease, rape or poverty , huh? 🤣🤣🤣

[@Tobeesho]

JESUS is THE TRUTH! He HAS overcome. 😊

[@davidberar5905]

@@jvlbme if God doesnt exist why is wrong rape? You need an objective standard to judge...morality prove God

[@jvlbme]

@@davidberar5905 The what now? Strangest non-argument I've heard. Regardless, god is impotent, weak, stupid - what are we to do with such a sad figure?

[@onestepaway3232]

God is amazing. The Heavens declare the Glory of God.

[@v8infinity8]

Amen! Praise Jesus :)

[@kos-mos1127]

The heavens do not declare the Glory of God. They only show that natural processes are able to shape impressive objects.

[@kos-mos1127]

The heavens do not declare the glory of God. They only show that natural processes are able to form impressive objects.

[@araunapalm]

​@@kos-mos1127 read Isaiah 40: the stars were created by the dynamic energy of God. This is confirmed by science.... unless you can explain where the energy in the universe comes from. All matter is energy.

[@zhengfuukusheng9238]

No he doesn't and no they don't. Coz these are man made woo woo

[@gecg7393]

and HE made us in HIS image, we build computers and GOD builds a universe, GLORY, HONUOR, PRAISE to HIM now and forever

[@Mavors1099]

😂😂😂😂

[@elsantoschalbi4459]

when Meyer says "we know from experience, that information *always* arises from intelligence" that's where he gets critiqued a lot. He should always word it like he sometimes does "The only cause we know for certain, *from* *experience* ,to produce information, is intelligence" It's very difficult to hammer this very simple and obvious point home, because any little wording mistake you make will be used to derail the discussion away and ultimately disregard the whole point.

[@kos-mos1127]

From experience intelligence requires a material bod. We have never experienced an immaterial intelligence.

[@willernst2721]

​@@kos-mos1127do you have a mouse in your pocket? You may have never experienced something but that doesn't mean others have not. This is where you say there is no way to test those experiences and where I say why don't you pray and ask for yourself?

[@DivineLoveArchive]

@@willernst2721 any way to talk to chat to you?

[@thadofalltrades]

​@@kos-mos1127 even in science fiction they imagine immaterial intelligence. It's not that hard to conceptualize.

[@willernst2721]

@@DivineLoveArchive besides right here? Not really. I don't social media and I try not to put my personal information here. I am curious as to what you have to ask or want to talk about though.

[@carolinafine8050]

This is cool seeing Stephen Meyer get more coverage on these types of channels.

[@mcmanustony]

yup.....because he's got fuck all in the professional scientific literature....

[@carolinafine8050]

@@mcmanustonyhe’s clearly a very bright mind. His arguments are exceptional and he’s always gracious to his opponents. You could learn a thing or two from him.

[@ReapingTheHarvest]

​@@mcmanustony You're way too old to be so bitter and trolling all of these videos. The clock is ticking!

[@ReapingTheHarvest]

​@@mcmanustony I do appreciate your dedication to the religion of pseudoscience though.

[@mcmanustony]

@@carolinafine8050 he’s a lying hack at a right wing Christian fundamentalist pressure group- an organization that bullies and pressures biology teachers to shove his religion down the throats of other people’s children. There is NOTHING humble about this corrupt menace.

[@Djmugs]

big fan of these gentle men! great video keep it up my dude.

[@angelinaleonardo4796]

God is our creator. We are made in the image of God. We are his creatuon.

[@petervermeer.4904]

Then where is he? Why can we not see him. Why is he hiding? The invisible god, you have to believe it to believe it.

[@davegaetano7118]

​@@petervermeer.4904 We have to see Jesus first. As Jesus said, "He who sees me sees also the Father."

[@graememonie468]

Show me the evidence! Where is the evidence for your god? You can’t 😊

[@davegaetano7118]

@@graememonie468 The rules that apply to natural science are not the proper rules for the supernatural. The reason for this is that science can be known merely intellectually, but God necessarily must be known not only with the mind but also with the heart. That is why God does not impose Himself on us with what you call evidence, the kind you can weigh in a scale or look at with a telescope or analyze in a test tube. God insists that we be free to have a relationship with Him or not. This means we have to look for Him with our hearts as well as with our minds. This means we need to love Him and keep His commandments, which are for our good.

[@wichitadisciple9874]

@@graememonie468 Thanks for clicking on the video and writing a comment... Thanks for supporting a Christian channel.

[@tammykalii9360]

God is more Holy and perfect than anybody knows. We cannot fathom how perfect God is. and I cannot wait to know all of him.

[@jaflenbond7854]

ATHEISM, CHRISTIANITY, and RELIGIONS bring HUMILIATIONS, SUFFERINGS, and DEATHS The lives, dignities, and existence of human beings are clearly of no worth, value, and importance to all Atheists, Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions who are all obviously unbothered and just don't care even if their LIES and false claims that the Creator is cruel, merciless, and undeserving to be honored and respected as the True and Sovereign GOD and the Bible is just a worthless book of lies, myths, fictions, fantasies, and fairy tales hurt, insult, dishonor and degrade the lives and dignities of all human beings including that of their own families and neighbors and cause their humiliations, degradations, sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and DEATHS. The BIBLE reveals the TRUTH that the lives, dignities, and existence of human beings are of great worth, value, and importance to the Creator and Jesus Christ and the Creator KNOWS that all persons on earth who rejected the Unbiblical teachings and doctrines of Religions about "hellfire", "immortality of the souls", "afterlife", "rapture", "reincarnation", "Trinity", and "Armageddon" as worthless and useless, nothing but LIES and deceits of the Pastors and Leaders of Religions and willingly submit instead to the authority of Jesus Christ in obedience to what's written in Matthew 28: 18 will definitely bring themselves honor and his favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4. Jesus Christ KNOWS that his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" written in Luke 4: 43 and John 11: 25, 26 are the Creator's guarantee that loving, kind, considerate, and respectful persons on earth who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, his Followers and disciples, and many others will all be RESURRECTED back to life in the right and proper time so they can live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient citizens and subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD" and fully enjoy his and his GOD and Father's eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings for eternity under his loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection as his GOD and Father's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.

[@stevepierce6467]

Yep, there is stuff I cannot fathom, therefore god.

[@nigelmcculloch3746]

@@stevepierce6467yep, same as evolutionists, can not believe that there is a greater mind at work, therefore everything around us came about by chance!

[@RobBeales]

TELL ME WHO CREATED GOD ? Then tell me who created the creator ? Evolution is far more understandable to me 😊

[@bonivermectin4087]

​@@RobBeales no one created God, that's kinda what makes Him God..

[@Maikigai]

Glad science is finally catching up.

[@thetruthchannel349]

That is all science is - 'Catching Up.' Johannes Kepler said something along the same lines.

[@jaidelpatrick47]

Would it be possible - for future videos - to put links to the videos you react to in the description?

[@DJTheTrainmanWalker]

The opening clip alone suggests an equivocation. Selection and choice are distinct notions, the former requires only survival to replicate, whereas the latter requires a consciousness to choose.

[@Joshuagilchrist55]

What he is describing is that free will ie the choosing between one thing and eliminating another. God gave us this. He gave us the choice to either believe that we were created of not. This message is evident everywhere in nature. It is just yet another proof to me that God created us in his image ie right down the the DNA within us his blueprint is in us and around us everywhere. It’s undeniable.

[@absolstoryoffiction6615]

No... I know YHWH... It's not him. But do as you wish, 3rd Dimensional Mortal.

[@wilcowiersma9465]

There is no proof. You just assuming. The fact that in all the years science has been done no evidence for God has ever neen found should be a lightbulb going of over your head.

[@Kuitar88]

@@wilcowiersma9465 yes, of course I mean, it can’t be that maybe your perception and idea of what you think God is isn’t what it actually is, right?

[@wilcowiersma9465]

@@Kuitar88 Sure, but that doesn't make it real.

[@hertzeauxduclaire7689]

​@wilcowiersma9465 "When you have sufficient understanding of paradoxes, you realise Cogito Ergo Sum may be false." - Some drunk guy Does 1+1=2? Have you observed and measured the equation? "The only thing i know is that i know nothing." - Socrates How do you know all your memories from before you last slept are true? Maybe you should see a psychiatrist and tell them you can't observe and measure your consciousness? Maybe they could prescribe you something. 😂 i could continue, but you get the idea. Please read Meditations on First Philosophy.

[@Harzach-Hardcastle7685]

This isn't "Christian Science" by any means, it's simply an honest application of scientific principles and methodologies without the bias of evolutionary dogma. It is the most honest form of science without the word of God. Just bear in mind that science does not win souls. Preaching the gospel is the only way to win souls.

[@DM-dk7js]

Nah

[@DM-dk7js]

These are in fact creationists.

[@NorthMavericks-ow7jk]

@@DM-dk7js You can think whatever you want. But God is real. Jesus Christ exists, and you'll end up in hell if you don't believe in his sacrifice.

[@ragael1024]

@@NorthMavericks-ow7jk you sound like a radical muslim.

[@NorthMavericks-ow7jk]

@@ragael1024 🤣🤣🤣🤣.

[@Fieldwalker264]

I love Stephen and Jonathon emphasis on constraints. Thomas Sowell beautifully illuminates this in "Conflicts of Visions". The constrained, or tragic, vision as opposed to the anointed vision. The constrained vision acknowledges our limitations while the "Vision of the Anointed: Self-congratulation as a Basis for Social Policy" [another of his books on this theme], holds that a few can have sufficient "wisdom" to properly direct the lives of the benighted. As a Christian I suspect the anointed have bought into Satan's lie, "You shall be as God."

[@mbison7combo]

GOD'S power at it's core

[@mirandahotspring4019]

No, just nature at work.

[@wurthit1239]

@@mirandahotspring4019🤔 no……

[@kos-mos1127]

@@wurthit1239Yes. Physicist attributes intelligence to nature rather than attributing it to an external agent.

[@NoiTuLovE64]

​@@mirandahotspring4019Wow!! You sure do get around, don't you? It appears, as though, you always have some snarky criticism in these channels with comments expressing nothing. Why not bring some intelligence to the table versus an attitude with immaturity?

[@Cdr1ck]

@@kos-mos1127how uk?

[@robertdouglas8895]

We don't connect with God through the senses but by the mind in prayer. "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment"

[@gjanoon5381]

But God reveals himself through His creation, which we perceive through our senses: ‭Romans 1:19-20 ESV‬ [19] For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. [20] For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.

[@robertdouglas8895]

@@gjanoon5381 That's what Paul thought. Jesus knew it differently. The above quote tells us that truth is not of this world. We have to be here because this is where our lessons are, but it's not our real home. The kingdom of heaven is within you. "I have given them your word, and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world". You can see things happen on earth, like miracles. But knowing how the earth works will not make miracles. "These and greater things shall you do"...but not with science. It takes prayer.

[@joaozuchetto6716]

I agree with you Robert, that that's the key point to connect with Jesus. But also i think it is wise to seek for some evidence (not proof) that our relasionship with something supernatural actually makes sense. Not JUST doing this, specially throughout prayer, but if we can somehow see God's intelligence and majesty in the wordly things, we should apreciate it. Just a thought!

[@robertdouglas8895]

@@joaozuchetto6716 The complexity of the world does not mean that God created it. The complexity without love is nothing and we can only apply love with the Christ mind that we all have access to. The other mind is the carnal mind that works with the things of the world, the purpose of which will be self-centered. God didn't create that mind, the prodigal son, who left God, does. And the carnal mind can make things incredibly complicated.

[@zeektm1762]

@@robertdouglas8895 “That’s what Paul thought” except ALL scripture is inspired and god breathed. Do you think the breath of God is wrong?

[@brucebennett6213]

I just want to say, that you taking the time to share Gods love for me. And Christ wonderful gift. But today you speaking about Him paying the price for my sin. It spoke to my soul and was the perfect answer from God that He sent through you for me. I’m just sayin. Thank you my brother.

[@stevemilam2254]

Jesus loves you!

[@guy9732]

Science is understanding God's creations & His nature. There's a logical reason why many scientists & doctors hit a wall with their study. Love, faith & trust in God will bring you closer to Him & He will reveal Himself to you. He also knows what is in your heart so it's best not to try to fool or tempt Him either.

[@kos-mos1127]

Science hits the wall because there is a limit to the amount of data we can collect on the universe and science does not question the theory.

[@Wintuscotty]

The majority of early scientists were believers. Striving to understand the nature of God’s creation. Fact.

[@all_bets_on_Ganesh]

@wintusotty true. Like Pythagoras and the entire Islamic enlightenment period.

[@Wintuscotty]

@@all_bets_on_Ganesh Yes. That is exactly what I meant…..

[@ThatAnnoyingGuy96]

Most scientists today are atheists. Also science has proven the bible wrong multiple times. The age of the earth 6000 vs 4,6billion The shape of the earth Flat vs round Conciousness (look up the split brain experiment) Soul vs brain How long humans have existed 6000 vs 300000 years And plenty mor. A huge portion of the bibles claims are already disproven

[@shaneschuller2513]

I don't know how anyone could look into sciences and still disbelieve there's a creater, an intelligent design.

[@mcmanustony]

What is your GULO gene intelligently designed for

[@marchka5930]

I watched a video, can’t remember who the speaker is… but he used a Peacock feather as an example and how the design is so intricate that it’s not by accident. That there is too much gratuitous beauty in animals and plants to be accidental.

[@mirandahotspring4019]

Typical stupid "I can't understand it, therefore god." argument.

[@kos-mos1127]

Evolution does not say things arise by accident. Evolution is a deterministic theory that leaves no room for an arbitrary external agent.

[@kos-mos1127]

Evolution does not say things happened by accident that is a strawman argument. Evolution is a deterministic theory that leaves no room for an external arbitrary agent.

[@larrycarter3765]

What accident?

[@danieljoseph2617]

@larrycarter3765 the entire argument for evolution is its a great accident and all happened by itself. The argument against it is there is evidence of a designer everywhere and everything macro and micro

[@OrthodoxJourney359]

Man I absolutely love this channel! Always gold ❤

[@therick363]

Never gold

[@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom]

Thanks for the encouragement! All Glory to God! ❤️

[@maliquesmith2311]

​@@therick363then why your in every comment in his videos...shut up😂

[@therick363]

@@maliquesmith2311 I’m not commenting in all of his videos. But when he speaks about science or atheism? And I need to correct things yeah I’ll speak up. Maybe you should check some facts first. And try again cause the only one who needs to shut up…would be you. Now either try again or shoosh. After all, all you have is insults and zero manners, respect or evidence. But you know this with your “atheists or whatever you call them are stupid” comment when you demonstrated to the world you weren’t ready.

[@meowmeowmeow1243]

Been reading some of Dr. Meyer`s books and i must say that it was eye-opening. Very interesting read.

[@andrewjmyers4192]

KZbin shamelessly cuts the program mid sentence to insert advertisements for products I promise to NEVER purchase. Worse than a cheap television station late at night. Gee thanks, Google. Andrew Myers 👽

[@johnfrancis4401]

If you really think about materialism nothing should exist ….ever. Just nothing for eternity. You need something outside of this to start the ball rolling. This something is the tri-person God. A good Good. A loving God.

[@jaflenbond7854]

SATAN the DEVIL versus the TRUE and SOVEREIGN GOD ACCORDING to Jesus Christ, Satan the Devil is the Father of Lies and Murderer of human beings as written in John 8: 44 and the Creator is the One who should be honored and respected as the True and Sovereign GOD as written in Matthew 22: 37 and John 17: 3 REJECTION of the CREATOR and the BIBLE ACCORDING to Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Baptists, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and Atheists - 1. Satan the Devil doesn't exist 2. the Creator is worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and respected as the True and Sovereign GOD 3. the Bible is just a worthless a book of lies, myths, fictions, fantasies, and fairy tales. REJECTION of ATHEISM and RELIGIONS Jesus Christs KNOWS that all persons on earth who rejected Atheism and the Unbiblical teachings and doctrines about "hellfire", "immortality of the souls", "afterlife", "rapture", "reincarnation", and "Armageddon" as worthless, useless, and nothing but lies and deceptions of the Pastors and Leaders of all Religions and honor and obey the Creator instead as their loving, kind, and merciful GOD and Heavenly Father will definitely be honored and rewarded with ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4. Jesus Christ KNOWS that his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" written in Luke 4: 43 and John 11: 25, 26 are the Creator's guarantee that loving, kind, considerate, and respectful persons on earth who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, his Followers and disciples, and many others will all be RESURRECTED back to life in the right and proper time so they can live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient citizens and subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD" and fully enjoy his and his GOD and Father's eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings for eternity under his loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection as his GOD and Father's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.

[@absolstoryoffiction6615]

No... There are many Creators. Not just one. Humans... Your religion is not unique in existence.

[@jaflenbond7854]

@@absolstoryoffiction6615 The FATHER of LIES versus the CREATOR ACCORDING to Jesus Christ, Satan the Devil is the Father of Lies and Murderer of human beings as written in John 8: 44 and the Creator is the One who should be honored and respected as the True and Sovereign GOD as written in Matthew 22: 37 and John 17: 3 REJECTION of the CREATOR and the BIBLE bring and cause HUMILIATIONS, SUFFERINGS, and DEATHS Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Baptists, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and Atheists who trick and deceive their own families and neighbors to believe their LIES and false claims that - 1. Satan the Devil doesn't exist 2. the Creator is worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and respected as the True and Sovereign GOD 3. the Bible is just a worthless a book of lies, myths, fictions, fantasies, and fairy tales will definitely hurt, offend, insult, dishonor, and degrade the lives and dignities of their own families and neighbors and cause their humiliations, degradations, sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and DEATHS. REJECTION of ATHEISM and RELIGIONS bring HONOR and ETERNAL LIFE and EXISTENCE on EARTH Jesus Christs KNOWS that all persons on earth who rejected - 1. Atheism as worthless, useless, no value whatsoever 2. the Unbiblical teachings and doctrines of Religions about "hellfire", "immortality of the souls", "afterlife", "rapture", "reincarnation", and "Armageddon" as nothing but lies and deceptions of the Pastors and Leaders of all Religions and honor and obey the Creator instead as their loving, kind, and merciful GOD and Heavenly Father will definitely be honored and rewarded with ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4. Jesus Christ KNOWS that his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" written in Luke 4: 43 and John 11: 25, 26 are the Creator's guarantee that loving, kind, considerate, and respectful persons on earth who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, his Followers and disciples, and many others will all be RESURRECTED back to life in the right and proper time so they can live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient citizens and subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD" and fully enjoy his and his GOD and Father's eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings for eternity under his loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection as his GOD and Father's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.

[@jaflenbond7854]

@@absolstoryoffiction6615 The FATHER of LIES versus the CREATOR ACCORDING to Jesus Christ, Satan the Devil is the Father of Lies and Murderer of human beings as written in John 8: 44 and the Creator is the One who should be honored and respected as the True and Sovereign GOD as written in Matthew 22: 37 and John 17: 3 REJECTION of the CREATOR and the BIBLE bring and cause HUMILIATIONS, SUFFERINGS, and DEATHS Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Baptists, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and Atheists who deliberately trick and deceive their own families and neighbors to believe their LIES and false claims that - 1. Satan the Devil doesn't exist 2. the Creator is worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and respected as the True and Sovereign GOD 3. the Bible is just a worthless a book of lies, myths, fictions, fantasies, and fairy tales will definitely hurt, offend, insult, dishonor, and degrade the lives and dignities of their own families and neighbors and cause their humiliations, degradations, sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and DEATHS. REJECTION of ATHEISM and RELIGIONS bring HONOR and ETERNAL LIFE and EXISTENCE on EARTH Jesus Christs KNOWS that all persons on earth who rejected - 1. Atheism as worthless, useless, no value whatsoever 2. the Unbiblical teachings and doctrines of Religions about "hellfire", "immortality of the souls", "afterlife", "rapture", "reincarnation", and "Armageddon" as nothing but lies and deceptions of the Pastors and Leaders of all Religions and honor and obey the Creator instead as their loving, kind, and merciful GOD and Heavenly Father will definitely be honored and rewarded with ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4. Jesus Christ KNOWS that his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" written in Luke 4: 43 and John 11: 25, 26 are the Creator's guarantee that loving, kind, considerate, and respectful persons on earth who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, his Followers and disciples, and many others will all be RESURRECTED back to life in the right and proper time so they can live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient citizens and subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD" and fully enjoy his and his GOD and Father's eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings for eternity under his loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection as his GOD and Father's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.

[@johnfrancis4401]

@@absolstoryoffiction6615 Those creator gods are made of wood and stone. They make nothing. They are man made. Only God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit - one God - made the universe.

[@dabrack9350]

What is the argument for/against God having created evolution as the tool for diversifying life much as He created the tools of physics?

[@lizadowning4389]

What makes you think that elusive things like gods "created the tools of physics"? Argument against gods having created evolution? Let's see ... maybe the fact that in every scientific inquiry over the past centuries not one shred of empirical evidence for the existence of such deities surfaced. Maybe that's why scientists always work under the premise of natural causes and processes. Because whatever ancient superstitious men once thought and wrote down has never been attested to by means of verifiable evidence. To the contrary, scientists have built up empirical evidence for evolution at a scale it fills libraries. The evidence is overwhelming. Nothing in biology makes sense except in light of evolutionary theory. And that's why it is the best available explanation.

[@lawrencevandenberg7725]

We're not supposed to ask a lady's age. THAT'S in our DNA!

[@maxstrange7606]

I think Creationism is the best starting point for Christians who, over time, gain more and more support from Intelligent Design folks.

[@theTavis01]

Creationism is a cesspool of dishonesty and outright lies. It's a terrible place for Christians.

[@absolstoryoffiction6615]

No... Creationists believed it took 6k years to make the Universe... Incorrect. This Cosmos is much older than all of humanity's Gods.

[@Morewecanthink]

​@@absolstoryoffiction6615 - Proverbs 1, 7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction. Colossians 2, 3 Christ, in whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.  It is God therefore intelligence, knowledge and understanding. Without the Truth of God's Word, the Bible, there is no foundation whatsoever for a person with an absurd arbitrary evolutionistic worldview to assume significance of the arbitrary results of the arbitrary electrical impulses of the arbitrary chemical processes of an according to naturalistic evolutinistic belief arbitrarily evolved human brain. And for "neutral intelligent design" people: GOD didn't create in time. HE created time and everything with it. You cannot extrapolate "back" beyond the beginning. Not man decides / determines 'truth'. God's Word, the Bible, is Truth (John 17, 17).

[@BeachandHills-hb2pq]

@@absolstoryoffiction6615 Not God he created the universe 😃 I read athiest cosmologist saying there was no start to the universe. Then they discovered the Big Bang. Universe has a start.

[@absolstoryoffiction6615]

@BeachandHills-hb2pq That's a Hyper Star with enough energy to create the universe you see today. Time and Space existed before the Hyper Star. Creating the universe is not difficult for those of the Full Brink 3rd Dimension and higher dimensionality. To say YHWH create everything?... Is to assume this Universe is limited in a smaller scope. Which it isn't. Religions are myths. I know of YHWH. He's still a myth no matter what Christians say. Given El and Yahweh. And even if YHWH is real. He has to contend with other entities beyond this existence. Such as me, but I'm on Earth for other reasons.

[@Rydonattelo]

Another fantastic argument for the existence of God was by Sufi mystic Ibn Sina and his uncaused cause theology. One of my absolute favourites.

[@cyraxox7440]

I still consider myself a Christian but have definitely started to question some things here lately. One thing that’s recently really started to bother me is this concept of the ‘age of accountability’ which is supposedly different for everyone based on maturity and understanding, the idea being that if someone dies before this ‘age of accountability’ they presumably all go to heaven. Millions and millions of the unborn, young and mentally ill all automatically go to heaven? So they never have the threat of hellfire yet those of us whom have past this ‘age of accountability’ (of which no one knows exactly when) there is the potential to ‘die in your sins ‘ and spend eternity in hell. The unborn, young and mentally ill never had a choice, the choice was made for them and they get ..heaven! Actually pretty lucky right? The potential was never there that they could’ve rejected Christ and ended up in hell. Those of us not in that category have an apparent ‘choice’, yet we ourselves never chose to be born either, yet here we are with the fate of our own eternity in our hands? …is it just me or does this seem incredibly unfair for one and also illogical as all get out??

[@jaflenbond7854]

The FATHER of LIES versus the CREATOR ACCORDING to Jesus Christ, Satan the Devil is the Father of Lies and Murderer of human beings as written in John 8: 44 and the Creator is the One who should be honored and respected as the True and Sovereign GOD as written in Matthew 22: 37 and John 17: 3 CHRISTIANS, ALL RELIGIONS, and ATHEISTS versus the CREATOR and the BIBLE Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Baptists, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and Atheists who trick and deceive their own families and neighbors to believe their LIES and false claims that - 1. Satan the Devil doesn't exist 2. the Creator is worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and respected as the True and Sovereign GOD 3. the Bible is just a worthless a book of lies, myths, fictions, fantasies, and fairy tales will definitely bring themselves nothing but dishonor, disgrace, shame and ETERNAL DEATHS and the humiliations, degradations, sufferings, pains, griefs sickness, and DEATHS of their families and neighbors. REJECTION of ATHEISM and RELIGIONS bring HONOR and ETERNAL LIFE and EXISTENCE on EARTH Jesus Christs KNOWS that all persons on earth who rejected - 1. Atheism as worthless, useless, no value whatsoever 2. the Unbiblical teachings and doctrines of Religions about "hellfire", "immortality of the souls", "afterlife", "rapture", "reincarnation", and "Armageddon" as nothing but lies and deceptions of the Pastors and Leaders of all Religions and honor and obey the Creator instead as their loving, kind, and merciful GOD and Heavenly Father will definitely be honored and rewarded with ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4. Jesus Christ KNOWS that his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" written in Luke 4: 43 and John 11: 25, 26 are the Creator's guarantee that loving, kind, considerate, and respectful persons on earth who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, his Followers and disciples, and many others will all be RESURRECTED back to life in the right and proper time so they can live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient citizens and subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD" and fully enjoy his and his GOD and Father's eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings for eternity under his loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection as his GOD and Father's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.

[@colinsmith1288]

There is no hell. Just death,heaven and the waiting of ressurection. If there was hell or people going to heaven Christ would have not needed to raise anyone from the dead. The ressurection is the clue. When Christ died he went knowhere but raised from the dead at the allotted time.

[@sbnwnc]

Let religion go. It isn't real. We are alone. For that reason we should cause as little pain to our fellow creatures as possible and help them whenever possible.

[@colinsmith1288]

@@sbnwnc Religion is about choice.

[@sbnwnc]

@@colinsmith1288 It's a choice to be ignorant then.

[@Yusuf-di8cw]

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[@YvesAlexandre-ov2td]

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[@EzechuHeadd]

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[@Steph-uz8jd]

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[@Steph-uz8jd]

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[@AthensPatao]

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[@rac7773]

God bless you Stephen C Meyer. You are my second Stephen C hero, after Foster!

[@HumanbeingonfloatingEarth]

Chemicals , electrical signals... Thats all we are. BUT plot twist, they're really a form of information. That molecule, substance , figuration of atoms quarks etc is all information. Is us. And everything that exsists. How incredible and crazy is reality!

[@all_bets_on_Ganesh]

Yes it is mind blowing ⭐️

[@Yipper64]

Chemicals and electrical signals are all that makes up the PHYSICAL body. But you also have a soul. Im sure you could study it, find that somehow, somewhere, some part of the brain, signals just seem to come from nowhere explainable. I cant prove it, I couldnt point towards a study. But I could be right.

[@colinsmith1288]

Yet original and distinctive thoughts arise from them.

[@infinitum5425]

Do yo believe in God?

[@HumanbeingonfloatingEarth]

@@infinitum5425 100%

[@kevinstraver1932]

Where was the evidence? I missed it.

[@NJT1013]

God is the creator. Christ is King.

[@Moose7897]

Searching for God yourself or taking a pill prescribed by others about you should believe in God are two different things. Look inward God will find you there. The Kingdom of God is within the person.

[@ggpt9641]

Romans 4:17 as well has Paul affirming that the Kingdom of God is not meat and drink, but righteousness, peace, and joy. Jesus also helped bring it to light for Paul to write by doing what is right (living the sinless life so he could be the ultimate sin offering) to bring peace between a Holy God and sinful people, and to bring joy amongst them all.

[@Moose7897]

@@ggpt9641 Yes it is by living a certain way that you acquire peace and joy within yourself. Live life to whatever you think is living life is to the fullest. What I believe the Kingdom of God refers to is your inner world. Listen to it, learn from it, live what’s true to you is the way. God doesn’t always want you fixated on Him nor does he want you to be a religious zealot. Do the things you enjoy and be yourself in the world. Pray when necessary.

[@michaeldeal1625]

The assertion that evolution/Darwinism gives the allusion of design reminds me of the statement that human thought and consciousness in a materialist universe only gives the allusion of free will. (Which I can never believe.)

[@BeachandHills-hb2pq]

Yes the peole who say this want to pretend there mindless. Want to pretend they have no control on there actions.

[@ubersheizer5398]

Free Will is necessary for Christianity to exist. Of course you will never believe it is an illusion.

[@ubersheizer5398]

@@BeachandHills-hb2pq If you went back in time, could you have chosen to write anything other than the words you wrote?

[@BeachandHills-hb2pq]

@@ubersheizer5398 my free will is not an illusion. Pepole with torets syndrom lack self control and will swear at you uncontrolably. Pepole with OCD need to do actions they can not control. Normal pepole do not have this problem. If you have no control then you have no free will. Would explain why you beleave free will is an illusion if you have no self control.

[@BeachandHills-hb2pq]

@@ubersheizer5398 Time travel ? Makes for rubish movies but "Back to the future" was good.

[@Piercetheveilnow]

Now we need to really consider who or what is desperately trying to deceive humanity and prevent us from simply acknowledging our Creator.

[@northamerican287]

It is not hard for chemicals to self-assemble into something that resembles a single cell. From there, it too three billion years before complex animals evolved. That does not sound like such a miracle to me.

[@peterzinya1]

If you examined that scenario in the light of biochem, you would know that this cant happen. Sounds good, but is fantasy.

[@markh1011]

@@peterzinya1 _"If you examined that scenario in the light of biochem, you would know that this cant happen."_ So because we don't know how it happened this year that means it's impossible? Yeah that sounds like a solid position to take...🙄

[@northamerican287]

@@peterzinya1 A few years ago, I took a deep dive on KZbin about the origin of life. In short, even though it took three billion years, it is possible for a single cell to self-assemble into what we see today. And then the leap from a single cell to a complex organism was very fast. It's called the Cambrian explosion. Maybe it's just science way of explaining something without invoking intelligent design.

[@peterzinya1]

@@northamerican287 It is your right to believe a cell self assembled. You are free to believe as you like. The first cell was supposed to be a bacteria. You have to convince yourself that a peptidoglycan sack formed somehow somewhere then figure out how the molecules for respiration all wound up inside this sack, which is a bilayer sack, an inner membrane and outer peptidoglycan shell. This is the brick wall biochemists run into when purporting the OoL.

[@peterzinya1]

@@northamerican287 Id like to know what vids provided a deep dive into OoL here in YT? Every vid ive seen was a elementary school level vid. They know they have to make it easy for folks here in YT because the average YT watcher has zero science back ground. This vid was a utter disappointment for me. I was hoping for some substance. Now i have given up on that notion here in YT. I use YT for my TV. There are great advanced math vids in here. Advanced physics and stuff. James Tour is the closest to a detailed talk on OoL. Even then he cant go into detail cause it would fly over the heads of YT watchers. Theres no shame in not being science educated. Its expensive and takes lots of time and will power, not to mention a solid mentality. That excludes 99.99% of people in america.

[@TheVigilantEye77]

So if everything needs a designer who designed the designer ? Designers all the way down ?

[@hassanmuhammad2799]

The Question you ask is ILLOGICAL because it is an UNANSWERABLE question.

[@hassanmuhammad2799]

The question you ask is ILLOGICAL BECAUSE THE QUESTION IS UNANSWERABLE

[@JohnWiltshire-yp9bj]

Natural Selection is NOT an UNDIRECTED process. It is a DIRECTED process that DIRECTS the evolution of a reproducing population towards local peaks in its fitness landscape. That results in the population becoming adapted to the environment in which it reproduces reproducers thereby giving the appearance of being designed for that environment. If you ever get the opportunity, ask an Intelligent Design advocate if they have been vaccinated, and, if so, then why? Vaccines mimic structures found on disease causing antigens. The immune system response generates antibodies that bind to the structures and mark them for destruction. The binding efficiency of the antibodies is matured by the Natural Selection of mutations to DNA thereby adding previously unknown information about the antigen to the immune response armory. So why get vaccinated if you believe that cannot happen? If what Steven Meyer is saying was true then millions more people would have died of COVID 19, that's how serious this gross misrepresentation of science really is.

[@Wmeester1971]

Scientist always change their mind when new evidence comes in. That is how science is supposed to work Now contrast this with theism, where no-one changes their mind, no matter how strong the evidences to the contrary, resorting to dishonest mental gymnastics trying to reconcile the differences. I'd pick science any time of the week (including Sundays)

[@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom]

This is actually a wrong view of at least Christianity. We’re evidence based, but your last line made me laugh nonetheless (and ironically, Sunday being the day you think of as a Christian Holy Day is a perfect example of how within theism people changed their mind. Christianity is literally born out of a group of theists changing their minds based on evidence)

[@Wmeester1971]

@@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom "We’re evidence based" I'm willing to conceed that for Catholism this somewhat is true. But absolutely not for creationism or literalism. Its Faith over evidence. "Christianity is literally born out of a group of theists changing their minds based on evidence" .... To cast it in stone afterwards. Perhaps you can give me an example of something that Christianity changed its mind on in the last millenium? And where has this been offcially documented in scripture ?

[@intentionally-blank]

I didn't see examples of your accusations. The false dichotomy of science vs faith does say much. Speaking of science: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eWazaoqpiqarnLc

[@Wmeester1971]

​@@intentionally-blank "I didn't see examples of your accusations" What do you mean? Are you denying the scientific method and the ability to change conclusions based up on the incoming evidence? Or do you mean the fact that scripture is not schanged despite the evidence contradicting it ? As for the link, that is the exact link to this video? What is your point?

[@CaptainFantastic222]

@@Daily_Dose_Of_WisdomChristianity is an evidenced based worldview and not faith based? You are a incredibly dishonest person

[@kangarooninja2594]

It's interesting. But gap arguments against current evolutionary theory have been overcome in the past after new evidence was discovered that confirms it. Unless someone can propose a hypothesis that describes the process of guided evolution that better accounts for the evidence, it won't go far. Personally, I don't see what the big deal is? Whether God guides evolution or simply set up the initial conditions with the end in mind doesn't matter much to me from a theological position.

[@Papa-dopoulos]

Most of the hardcore young-earth folks are against the idea of theistic evolution because they believe it isn't reconcilable with several statements in Genesis. For example, it was said that sin and death only entered the world after Adam and Eve were cursed. Obviously, evolution would have required millions of years of sin and death, etc. Personally, I'd like to offer what I consider to be both a compromise and the most satisfying answer to the actual evidence we have: God created the archetypal forms, the phyla, and evolution took over to a limited extent from there. Wolves became pugs, and Adam became dad-bodded gamers like me lolll. Hope this adds a little context for you at least.

[@battt1718]

So theologically speaking, at least in Christianity, evolution breaks the religion. The Bible states that the wages of sin is death. And that the original sin brought death into the world. But if evolution is true, then that means death has always existed in the world, and that creation was suffering even before sin entered the world. Jesus took the punishment for our sins, by dying in our place, but if we were dying by original design then it just doesn't make sense anymore.

[@kangarooninja2594]

@@battt1718 Yeah, I've heard this before. I always just kind of mentally shrug my shoulders when I hear it. Maybe Genesis is just entirely poetic? Maybe there was a point during the evolutionary process when humans "became" fully human, and this is the description of it? A sort of loss of innocence? I've come to accept that the Bible isn't meant to be overly intellectualized. It's enough that it gives us the important information to live by. The mechanics by which it's all unfolded don't really make a difference. I can have faith that it's true that we need Christ to overcome the sin that came into the world along with death, without understanding exactly how. So if some people need to force the square peg of what's observationally evident into the round hole of a literal Biblical interpretation, that's cool. Maybe it is all literally correct and our observations are fundamentally off somehow? I don't know? As long as you can accept that we need to use the explanations based on our observations to, you know, make medicine and food and whatnot, lol.

[@allisontowell7177]

I still have yet to find answers in the non life becoming life thing.. “time” doesn’t guarantee success if there is no one driving it. Life has a drive to adapt.. but non life has no real drive to adapt and change. So the gap in how that happened is still unknown.

[@kangarooninja2594]

@@allisontowell7177 Firstly, I want to say that I don't have a background in theology or science. This is just an interest of mine, and I'm happy to be wrong. I only care about the truth. And I don't think the truth will contradict the truth. I think everything in the Bible can be true without having to take everything within it literally. That being said, I think we have to abandon the idea that because the universe is intelligible to us then the question of *how* God created life, the universe, and everything will necessarily be intelligible to us also. It's enough that our intuitions, our hearts, compel us to see this. And just as we observe the functions of cells and chemical reactions and can accept the physical processes at face value without needing to assert into the scientific process that any of the forces involved must be actively pushed along by God's invisible finger, (even though we believe that its is), we should do the same with the genesis of life and the continued evolution of life. With that out of the way, and to your point, we can observe complexity emerging in natural systems with an increase in information right now. And that's all that abiogenesis is. The chemist Lee Cronin recently introduced a new theory on how this takes place called Assembly Theory (he gives great explanation of it in the Lex Fridman podcast here on YT). And though abiogenesis is still poorly understood, and it may very well be impossible to explain without God suspending natural law, it is still conceivably possible through this process. Cronin doesn't see God in the process, and I think this is where the real breakdown in viewpoints between believers and materialists like him exists. Those of us who see the aforementioned invisible finger of God moving things along do so because our intuitions compel us, not because we have an articulable mathematical or scientific formula of *how* God does this. I think it's enough for us to answer the why questions through the Bible without having to get bogged down in the how questions. Religion does a terrible job at how, just as science does a terrible job at why. They can each stay in their respective lanes. Sorry for writing so much. This issue is just too complex to keep it short. God bless.

[@oliverjamito9902]

Students shared "i" AM will say, remember WHO sitteth in the Midst of GOOD and EVIL? Washer of feet of neighbors and wiping thy sincere tears from thy eyes nor to bound FEET!

[@glaive120]

Just reminds me of some guy saying "This banana has been designed perfectly to be eaten by humans, and you tell me god didnt have a hand in that?" Then someone explained that bananas have been selectively bred for hundreds of years into what we have now. Then all the comments said "well there was still intelligent design" or "but the big bang couldn't have happened from nothing". Oh this DNA is so complex, must have been god! Oh this universe with all its cosmic forces and celestial bodies must've been made by god, how else could it be? Laziest arguments from adults I've ever heard come from Christians explaining why god has to exist and you might as well believe in god because everyone is doing it.

[@dongee1664]

Philosophy can take you wherever you want, it will never replace the evidence required by science.

[@midovarnakey]

Science is a branch of philosophy, guided by and (historically speaking) established by it.

[@dongee1664]

@midovarnakey You haven't bothered to check your claim, have you? If you had, you wouldn't look so ignorant..

[@midovarnakey]

@@dongee1664 My brother, you can plug your ears all you like, but science's original name was "natural philosophy" for a reason.

[@dongee1664]

@@midovarnakey Plugging my ears eh!!!... This is the official answer so if you've got any further misinformation then take it up with the official body. You can tell them to unplug their ears, and you can look even more foolish... No, philosophy is not a science. Science uses the scientific method to form hypotheses and then test them by gathering or generating empirical evidence. Most of the issues in philosophy are currently beyond the scope of those addressed by science - issues such as "what is knowable", "what is right and wrong", and "what is the nature of time".

[@peterzinya1]

@@midovarnakey That is true. Pure and Applied Chemistry is not in the realm of philosophy anymore. The words "maybe" and "possibly" are not used in pure chemistry.

[@toddrowley5605]

I am grateful

[@scottdetter]

There’s nothing less scientific than the word. “Illusion”

[@mirandahotspring4019]

There's nothing less scientific than intelligent design!

[@NdxtremePro]

@@mirandahotspring4019 Scientist are constantly designing intelligently all the time, and we call the results scientific discoveries. You have some issues to solve in that dissonance.

[@mirandahotspring4019]

@@NdxtremePro There is a vast difference between designing intelligently, and the nonsense pseudoscience of intelligent design!

[@NdxtremePro]

@@mirandahotspring4019 That whole statement is logically inconsistent. The Intelligent Design hypothesis is an exact parallel to designing intelligently. It is literally looking at all the evidence and saying hey, this came about by someone designing intelligently. What thinking are you doing, exactly?

[@memelord2208]

@@mirandahotspring4019You having the brain function to tell your heart to move the blood that’s filled with the oxygen that homeostasis told your lungs to inhale, so that oxygen could allow for energy production all across your entire body, is evidence for intelligent design. Let’s put your theory through the wringer: Complex life is accidental and has no designer Our bodies and all life forms are full of complex systems that are co-dependent on one another and have no function till fully completed. Your brain needs to be fully functional to tell your heart to move oxygen. With a half finished heart there would be no ability to get oxygen to your brain and your species is dead immediately. Without a mouth and windpipe that can inhale air, doesn’t matter if your heart was fully formed, no air to move, species dead immediately. Apply this to every part of your body. Keep in mind that each change in every part needs to be a very slight and completely random mutation starting from the bacterial stage. So it should take no less than a million generations (without genetic failure along the way) to get to a functioning heart, or functioning lungs, or a functioning brain, but you don’t have a million generations to sort that out, you have the first one, or you’re dead. These things can not exist half built. And if they could live without a heart or lungs or a brain, it wouldn’t make any biological sense for the generations to have a slowly developing heart (that has zero function) for a million generations. (Also have to have the lungs and brain slowly developing one mutation after the other at the same time since they’re all co-dependent). Natural selection would prevent these organisms developing these things from propagating, as their mutations would add no advantage and be much more costly energy/food wise. AND we also need to keep in mind that life would have to begin from non-life AND be so insanely abundant that we had billions on billions of genetic failures to throw at random chance until a small few somehow developed the internal systems that allow things to live by complete lucky accident. When you actually break down the biology behind it, your theory that life comes from no intelligent design just doesn’t hold water

[@sysprogmanadhoc2785]

Give a man a fish - feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish - feed him for life. Give a man a bible...... ....and he dies, praying for fish

[@Simon.the.Likeable]

Give a man a bible and he will be cucked by the mythology of the ancient Hebrews into giving up his birthright. He will become Esau when he becomes a Noachide.

[@stevepierce6467]

Wonderful!!!

[@daveulmer]

Information is just a carrier of Knowledge. Knowledge has different types.

[@TheOfficialKIKI]

I don't understand why creationists want to use "science" to demonstrate the existence of God. Creationism does not require evidence. In fact, one of the highest virtues in most religions is faith, and the blinder the faith the more virtuous. I don't even think I am being a dick by pointing this out! It seems ridiculous to me that creationists are jumping on the scientific method to demonstrate the existence of God... I guess the point that I am trying to make is that this seems very disingenuous. I really don't think that any of the people who are advocating for this approach to prove the existence of God are actually doing it in good faith (no pun intended). There is a reason why most of the time this is labeled as pseudoscience. You might be trying to "ground" your claims on legitimate scientific research, but you extrapolate to fit your own agenda. You did not do the research. You did not even peer review or perform any of the experimentation to demonstrate repeatability for crying out loud. I fail to see how people do not see right through this.

[@jaflenbond7854]

The FATHER of LIES versus the CREATOR ACCORDING to Jesus Christ, Satan the Devil is the Father of Lies and Murderer of human beings as written in John 8: 44 and the Creator is the One who should be honored and respected as the True and Sovereign GOD as written in Matthew 22: 37 and John 17: 3 REJECTION of the CREATOR and the BIBLE bring DISHONOR and ETERNAL DEATHS Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Baptists, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and Atheists who trick and deceive their own families and neighbors to believe their LIES and false claims that - 1. Satan the Devil doesn't exist 2. the Creator is worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and respected as the True and Sovereign GOD 3. the Bible is just a worthless a book of lies, myths, fictions, fantasies, and fairy tales will definitely bring themselves nothing but dishonor, disgrace, shame and ETERNAL DEATHS and the humiliations, degradations, sufferings, pains, griefs sickness, and DEATHS of their families and neighbors. REJECTION of ATHEISM and RELIGIONS bring HONOR and ETERNAL LIFE and EXISTENCE on EARTH Jesus Christs KNOWS that all persons on earth who rejected - 1. Atheism as worthless, useless, no value whatsoever 2. the Unbiblical teachings and doctrines of Religions about "hellfire", "immortality of the souls", "afterlife", "rapture", "reincarnation", and "Armageddon" as nothing but lies and deceptions of the Pastors and Leaders of all Religions and honor and obey the Creator instead as their loving, kind, and merciful GOD and Heavenly Father will definitely be honored and rewarded with ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4. Jesus Christ KNOWS that his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" written in Luke 4: 43 and John 11: 25, 26 are the Creator's guarantee that loving, kind, considerate, and respectful persons on earth who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, his Followers and disciples, and many others will all be RESURRECTED back to life in the right and proper time so they can live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient citizens and subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD" and fully enjoy his and his GOD and Father's eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings for eternity under his loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection as his GOD and Father's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.

[@nitsujism]

What's worse is that they can only bandwagon on science my misrepresenting, ignoring huge chunks of it and, frankly, lying.

[@davidrojas7909]

@@TheOfficialKIKI it’s because some people are thinkers, not feelers and thinkers need proof to believe in something. We need to see that it has value before going all in. You and others just go along with what your were raised to believe.

[@marieliperalta9322]

How pseudoscientist will be peer on a review process if science groups nowadays are so divided ? Atheist scientists cannot handle a pseudocientis personal and different views and therefore can not come to conclusions easily. But it's all going as planned anyways...

[@marieliperalta9322]

Also, I don't think pseudoscientist have any agendas lol. I don't know if you ever come to bottom of something great and want to share with some people :)

[@stillraven9415]

I can say that God promises to save you if you really want to know the truth its out there to see. Its only those that dont care or just don't want to know that can't see it.

[@01MTodd]

Many Gods make such promises. How am I supposed to know which God is the correct one. And before you refer me to the Bible, I should point out that I found a post-it note on the ground yesterday that says that the Biblical God is false. And the post-it note also said it was the true world of the true God. And since the note said it was written by the true God and the Biblical God is false, I have to conclude that the post-it note God is the one true God. You must not care or want to know the truth because you can't see it.

[@stillraven9415]

@01MTodd everyone has to do what they think is right. Laughter is good, but God is no joke. Best wishes for you.

[@01MTodd]

@@stillraven9415 God may indeed be no joke, but the logic people sometimes use to defend belief in God is most certainly a joke. People are free to believe what they want. I respect that. What I can't do is nod my head in agreement when one puts forward a plainly ludicrous argument - hence my joke about the divine post-it note.

[@stillraven9415]

@01MTodd there are children on both side, but you should not judge Satan or God by them.

[@01MTodd]

@@stillraven9415 Good point. But despite my joking tone, one serious question remains: To which god should I turn in order to see the truth? People have believed in about 1000 different gods throughout history and cultures. What makes the one that is most common in our culture in our time the one I should trust?

[@tonybinder9392]

Love Steven Myer. He’s the closest to an apologist to get on Rogan’s show.

[@The.Watcher.2024]

This was not evidence in any way

[@The.Watcher.2024]

Omg... Your analogy was absurd.. "linguistic information".. just because we name things doesn't make their existence/essence linguistic... Smh..

[@chrisblackburn3354]

🙈🙈🙈

[@ThePolysaur]

Just emojis...? That's all you've got?

[@sbnwnc]

Does your information come from a book with a talking snake?

[@theTavis01]

it comes more from gnostic traditions, the idea that "all is mind" for example is part of Hermeticsim

[@Loading....99.99]

Would it matter if it was a talking parrot?

[@sbnwnc]

@@Loading....99.99 Parrots do talk. Snakes and donkeys do not.

[@Loading....99.99]

@@sbnwnc why should a parrot (a non human animal) talk and that doesn't seem strange to you?

[@sbnwnc]

@@Loading....99.99 Parrots are capable of making human sounding speech. Donkeys cannot.

[@BLUEHORIZON-g2b]

James 2:19 tells us, "You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe - and tremble!"

[@bobsnead1153]

There are two assumptions in Dr. Meyer's position: that apparent design is evidence for design and that the source of information is always intelligence. He supports his use of these assumptions only by analogy. Arguing by analogy is a weak form of argumentation and yields a very weak argument in this case. Dr. Meyer is looking at the evidence through the lens of Christianity, which makes this evidence look much stronger than without such a lens. Since his intention is to convince unbelievers, his argument is unconvincing.

[@nitsujism]

It's called preaching to the choir. Look at this channel. Christians will see Meyers as additional support for their position. Naturalists will see him as a pseudoscience hack.

[@oscargr_]

That's what apologetics is/does.

[@ArnicaArnica-s2j]

As a PhD scientist/biochemist/researcher and ordained Christian minister-I agree that the good and faithful Dr. Meyers’s argument is flawed; some things will remain “mysterious” and a mystery-and that’s ok. The intensity and passion of his argument is admirable, but he cannot cross the finish line with an oversimplified analogy. Much like Creationists attempt to force literal biology into the Genesis story (it’s theological and not biological), the weight of Hebrew language scholarship undermines the overextensions pertaining thereto. Finally, standard macroevolutionary Darwinian constructs also have their extreme limitations. We seem to be very uncomfortable with being still and admitting that “we just don’t know” very much. And after all the debates and accusations from each side-nobody really “wins”. But how could we all win???? Seems to me that we can easily agree that we still have a world where we can come together to commit to personally and collectively evolve-using our INTELLIGENCE and INFORMATION to DESIGN strategies for CREATIVE GOOD to solve poverty, famine, war, and death. Perhaps those Four Horsemen are worth most of our time, talent, and treasure.

[@bobs4429]

@@ArnicaArnica-s2j Thank you for your thoughtful reply.

[@bobs4429]

@@oscargr_ As I understand it, there are two forms of what apologetics does. The weaker form is to help Christians explain why they believe. The stronger form equips Christians with arguments powerful enough to convince skeptics of the truth of Christianity. Any discussion that starts with an assumption of the truth of Christianity can be no more than the weaker form of apologetics.

[@ClaudioIbarra]

How is this materially different from all of the other "it's complex, so it definitely totally HAD to be done by some other mind that we don't have evidence for, but trust us" argument?

[@TheLola2824]

I don't think he's saying it is complex thus intelligent design. He's saying it is programed to function in the way it does thus intelligent design. This is not really new -- the further you go into physics and other sciences, and ironically even tech itself, the easier it is for people to understand in a more concrete way how things are operating. It's ironic in a way because through AI many seek to mimic and copy humans to an extent. That said, idk personally it's pretty clear to me DNA is programmed in a way -- and a giant library in another. In any case, he's saying the system is choosing with direction -- or more like he's saying there is a system of information to begin with.

[@ClaudioIbarra]

@@TheLola2824 He's made variations on this stump speech across many videos. The simplest way I think I can highlight the problem with his reasoning is that he's making an analogy and then acting as if every part of the analogy will fit every situation. We understand DNA by likening it to computer code. That doesn't mean it is computer code, nor does it mean it necessarily has other qualities of code.

[@TheLola2824]

@@ClaudioIbarra But that's the point -- you say it isn't one but you're assuming that. What I mean is there is no real evidence to show it isn't a code -- if anything most of the evidence points to it behaving like one with predictable patterns and mechanisms while being able to access a bigger pool of "genes" than just those immediately passed down from close family members. So in that sense the "system" as it's referenced in this interview, is discretely choosing between a variety of things and the pattern that is left as a result is measurable, repeatable, and at times predictable even. This is way past "randomness" and anyone in the field of genetics that is honest with themselves will at the very least start to question if they haven't already. The more genetics expands, the more it becomes pretty obvious DNA behaves as a code -- or more so the whole system behaves similar to a computer. And as even medicine moves more towards finding ways to "mess with the code" directly, whether it's through mRNA, other genetic treatments or individualized medicine, the more also it becomes apparent that even this field is treating it as a code that can be edited and "reformatted" if you will. Personally I'm not saying humans are like computers (to me computers are behind -- and there's even a push to further develop more advanced tech based on how humans operate anatomically, socially, etc.) But on the arguments being made, I think he's making a very simple observation of things are programmed hence intelligent design likely. It's similar to the observations quantum physics makes. I wouldn't take what he's saying or implying much further than that. I think in a way science itself is answering that question today more than ever; especially when we live in the age of transhumanism becoming a reality. The more we push machines to resemble humans and even to integrate with biological systems, the more obvious our "design" becomes -- just saying.

[@ClaudioIbarra]

@@TheLola2824 "What mean is there is no real evidence to show it isn't a code" Does it hurt to contort yourself like that? The idea that anyone in the field of genetics "that is honest" should carve out special exception for conclusions not supported by evidence is anathema to the meaning of honesty or scientific integrity. Look a little bit into the redundancy and inefficiency of biology, the idea of a designer being necessary vanishes. Basically, don't assume the conclusion and follow the evidence. But constantly be vigilant for bad methodology. Meyers is using bad methodology.

[@TheLola2824]

@@ClaudioIbarra I disagree that it is "contorting" when again we're assuming in other sciences that there is a level of patterning and predictability and programmability to the entire "system" (using this word just more as a placeholder). In any case, I'm not really interested in changing anyone's opinion on anything. Again, genetics alone is pretty interesting when you look at it from a code-based library of sorts. I agree with not adding a conclusion to things because to me science doesn't give answers -- it's just a tool of observation. The conclusions are made based on those observations or with those observations in mind. That said, you yourself clearly have your own opinion as well so you too are reaching whatever conclusion you think or have convinced yourself is plausible or in many cases what you choose to believe in. All that aside, he's not necessarily the only one making this argument. As for me, I would go as far as to argue complex systems imply a level of deliberate design but I guess that's a whole other discussion that's not necessarily tied to this interview.

[@nebedward]

Grateful for Stephen Meyer and his work, it’s a shame he doesn’t believe in young earth as it’s clearly taught in scripture, in the 10 commandments God said “For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day.” So then do we rest for thousands of years for a sabbath or for a day? But that being said, I admire and respect Stephen and his work greatly 👍

[@JesseDriftwood]

He doesn’t believe it because it’s also clearly not true based on the evidence found in the natural sciences. He’s a scientist and if he wants to keep any ounce of respect in his field, he can’t simply reject the mountain of evidence in support of an old universe and against a young one.

[@jaflenbond7854]

The FATHER of LIES versus the CREATOR ACCORDING to Jesus Christ, Satan the Devil is the Father of Lies and Murderer of human beings as written in John 8: 44 and the Creator is the One who should be honored and respected as the True and Sovereign GOD as written in Matthew 22: 37 and John 17: 3 CHRISTIANS, ALL RELIGIONS, and ATHEISTS versus the CREATOR and the BIBLE Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Baptists, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and Atheists who trick and deceive their own families and neighbors to believe their LIES and false claims that - 1. Satan the Devil doesn't exist 2. the Creator is worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and respected as the True and Sovereign GOD 3. the Bible is just a worthless a book of lies, myths, fictions, fantasies, and fairy tales will definitely bring themselves dishonor, disgrace, shame and ETERNAL DEATHS and the humiliations, degradations, sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and DEATHS of their families and neighbors. REJECTION of ATHEISM and RELIGIONS bring HONOR and ETERNAL LIFE and EXISTENCE on EARTH Jesus Christs KNOWS that all persons on earth who rejected - 1. Atheism as worthless, useless, no value whatsoever 2. the Unbiblical teachings and doctrines of Religions about "hellfire", "immortality of the souls", "afterlife", "rapture", "reincarnation", and "Armageddon" as nothing but lies and deceptions of the Pastors and Leaders of all Religions and honor and obey the Creator instead as their loving, kind, and merciful GOD and Heavenly Father will definitely be honored and rewarded with ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4. Jesus Christ KNOWS that his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" written in Luke 4: 43 and John 11: 25, 26 are the Creator's guarantee that loving, kind, considerate, and respectful persons on earth who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, his Followers and disciples, and many others will all be RESURRECTED back to life in the right and proper time so they can live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient citizens and subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD" and fully enjoy his and his GOD and Father's eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings for eternity under his loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection as his GOD and Father's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.

[@Mavors1099]

Next time, invite an actual scientist, a biologist would be optimal.

[@LCKnecht]

Right, no one can speak on anything unless they dropped at least 60 grand on a framed piece of paper. Then, by all means, espouse the wildest crackpot ideas surrounding that "expertise".

[@Mavors1099]

@@LCKnecht Nah, everybody is entitled to talk about anything, even when they don´t know much about the subject. The thing is that, in this particular case, the video is about "scientists are changing their minds", however the speaker is not a scientist and does not name even one of those scientist that are supposedly changing their minds.

[@peterzinya1]

@@Mavors1099 Ok, so may i ask what is your area of science? If none, i will accept that with no malice.

[@Mavors1099]

@@peterzinya1 Your question is improsedent.

[@peterzinya1]

@@Mavors1099 If you want to criticize science, that is fine. Im asking what your area is out of curiosity. There are tons of armchair biochemists in YT who act like they know something. Ill go first...Human pathology and diagnostics. Bacteriology and clin chem. Toss in immunology.

[@francisa4636]

This argument is so bad, its the god of the gaps all over again. Scientists canr explain this therefore god seriously.

[@fr.hughmackenzie5900]

I agree ..... his use of "improbable" gives the game away. His concept of information applies to everything not just DNA and cells! But Pageau was doing better ,, he WAS talking about everything concerning Natural Selection. If one talks of the whole unity of the cosmos one is no longer relying on gaps within physical causation.

[@francisa4636]

@@fr.hughmackenzie5900 talking of something and demonstrating it are different things. It's pretty clearly the case that no demonstration has been done of what you speak

[@francisa4636]

@ryanclour8680 unfortunately that's what it reduces down too. Meyer is a fraud

[@francisa4636]

@@ryanclour8680 And lol, all they are doing is asserting that ooh this is really complicated therefore god. Its the same thing. There isn't any demonstration of design here, like none

[@francisa4636]

@ryanclour8680 😂😂😂 what on earth are you talking about what do you think ID is. Look at all the fine tuning and then merely assert without demonstration of a designer look at all the information in dna then merely assert a designer. Equating fine tuning to guitars eh. Not really the same thing are they. Can you tell me whether the constants could be any other way. Answer no, therefore the probability is certainty therefore naturalism. I seriously don't think you understand any of the arguments. It's rinse and repeat with theists like Meyer. Sorry buddy, but that's exactly what they meant because that's how ID operates.

[@Lol_Pig]

Even in my pre-Christian days I knew life itself could only come about by a higher power; a creator. God is the simplest and most complex answer.

[@jaflenbond7854]

The FATHER of LIES versus the CREATOR ACCORDING to Jesus Christ, Satan the Devil is the Father of Lies and Murderer of human beings as written in John 8: 44 and the Creator is the One who should be honored and respected as the True and Sovereign GOD as written in Matthew 22: 37 and John 17: 3 REJECTION of the CREATOR and the BIBLE bring DISHONOR and ETERNAL DEATHS Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Baptists, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and Atheists who trick and deceive their own families and neighbors to believe their LIES and false claims that - 1. Satan the Devil doesn't exist 2. the Creator is worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and respected as the True and Sovereign GOD 3. the Bible is just a worthless a book of lies, myths, fictions, fantasies, and fairy tales will definitely bring themselves nothing but dishonor, disgrace, shame and ETERNAL DEATHS and the humiliations, degradations, sufferings, pains, griefs sickness, and DEATHS of their families and neighbors. REJECTION of ATHEISM and RELIGIONS bring HONOR and ETERNAL LIFE and EXISTENCE on EARTH Jesus Christs KNOWS that all persons on earth who rejected - 1. Atheism as worthless, useless, no value whatsoever 2. the Unbiblical teachings and doctrines of Religions about "hellfire", "immortality of the souls", "afterlife", "rapture", "reincarnation", and "Armageddon" as nothing but lies and deceptions of the Pastors and Leaders of all Religions and honor and obey the Creator instead as their loving, kind, and merciful GOD and Heavenly Father will definitely be honored and rewarded with ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4. Jesus Christ KNOWS that his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" written in Luke 4: 43 and John 11: 25, 26 are the Creator's guarantee that loving, kind, considerate, and respectful persons on earth who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, his Followers and disciples, and many others will all be RESURRECTED back to life in the right and proper time so they can live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient citizens and subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD" and fully enjoy his and his GOD and Father's eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings for eternity under his loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection as his GOD and Father's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.

[@radscorpion8]

I suggest people read Stephen Meyer's wiki page. In it you will see a long list of entries over many years about how Meyer has misrepresented or deeply misunderstood, in some cases seemingly willfully, the science of evolution and related disciplines. I would think that after being exposed as serially misrepresenting these fields, he would stop being interviewed. I am sad to see I was wrong

[@elguapo2831]

Wikipedia is notorious for misrepresenting those who seek truth.

[@AJTramberg]

Why not try reading one of his books instead? Wikipedia!! lol!! Wikipedia does not, and in fact, NEVER, accurately represent the positions of people it disagrees with politically or philosophically. It's a left wing encyclopedia. Everybody knows this. Read one of his books. Read Signature in the Cell. You'll have much less to say I promise you.

[@adventuresoflittlejohnny]

More lies….when you win a Nobel Peace Prize I’ll listen!

[@MultiMolly21]

We are trying to take ourselves apart. Heisenberg stated that you must not exclude yourself from anything you are observing or you get a false picture. The most trying example of this for me is the giant collar placed around the neck of the clouded leopard. So how to exclude ourselves when observing ourselves? Ever stand before a mirror with a bigger mirror behind you?

[@jwood6902]

the mental gymnastics here is far too much.

[@all_bets_on_Ganesh]

This is just a warm up. Wait until they talk about dinosaurs.

[@blusheep2]

Have you ever reviewed the argument for intelligent design in detail starting with the Origin of Life?

[@markh1011]

Stuff is complicated therefore my god did it - this is not a good argument.

[@peterzinya1]

Random blind chance is a worse argument.

[@markh1011]

@@peterzinya1 We don't know how life was originally created. So, you're misrepresenting the situation there.... However we see creation happening in nature all the time without someone making it happen. In fact everything we've discovered with science so far has had a naturalistic answer. Your god is hiding in a shrinking gap.

[@camonly849]

It's better than, stuff is complicated, therefore nothing did it.

[@peterzinya1]

@@camonly849 Bravo friend.

[@peterzinya1]

@@markh1011 I didnt mention the word god. But now that you ask, i firmly believe in a creator. I dont use god to disprove evo. I use Pure and Applied Chemistry. Ever heard of that? What creation do we see happening all the time? Some advice.....dont try to snow me with an article from Popular mechanics. I have worked in bacT labs and TB labs. So i await your answer.

[@globyois]

As far as “absurdity,” your analogy of the astronaut on the beach is with Neo-darwinism is excellent!

[@juddbiggs]

This is unwatchable.

[@physchir]

Why?

[@Altimat02]

Cognitive dissonance is powerful.

[@ARRAM57]

​@@physchir Why? Because when you presuppose the existence of a god, you can then tweak the description to fit the bill. Describing something imaginary that ticks all the boxes does not make it real . You need to prove your imagined concept actually has any effect on reality. Not just claims and assumptions. Actual evidence that it does anything at all.

[@MrAgonizomai]

The question I want evolutionists to answer is, has a mutation ever been observed in nature that confers an advantageous change on the organism? If evolution is a cumulative process of mutation (change) at a genetic level, it must happen at the level of changes in the information passed on by one or the other of the parents’ gamete containing a disrupted piece of the DNA code which the cells of the parent’s body use to build themselves. We know that the vast majority of DNA mutations result in detrimental change: either the organism never grows, or it grows badly. If it occurs during the lifetime of the organism, it results in things like cancers. To create a new function of an organ must require multiple changes to the DNA code to re-calibrate the pattern of proteins that come together in a slightly different way, and it must be advantageous to the organism, and it must be passed on to the next generation and continue to confer advantage. But while it’s changing, how does it maintain function? An extra finger might be useful sometimes. But polydactyly is almost always a disadvantage. How did it ever happen that extra digits formed *_and were functional?_* So far as I know, the maximum number of functional digits or phalanges in vertebrates is 5. Presumably no organism has found a way to form more in such a way as to confer advantage. But HOW do the small changes happen? We can no longer imagine, with Darwin, that "it just grew like that.” It requires tissues to be rearranged out of the tried and tested pattern in a new and improved way that can be passed on to future generations. That must require new information in the DNA code, which must mean multiple advantageous mutations occurring, spontaneously, randomly, and at the same time. The improbability of it is mind-boggling. So I return to my original question: when have evolutionist biologists ever observed a single advantageous mutation between two generations of the same organism? For their theory to be credible, they have to produce evidence. To date I’ve not heard it. Only frustration from evolutionists at their authority and their narrative being questioned. I’ll wait.

[@ThePixzy]

Of course, look up literature from the field of experimental evolution. Many such examples exist. look up ltee or experimental evolution on wikipedia. unfortunately my examples keep getting removed. If youd like to ask a evo biologist anything about this, please pm.

[@five1219]

@@ThePixzyare you able to share some examples here?

[@shokrisy4520]

Link to a specific study would be helpful. To clarify, artificially inserting genetic code into a bacteria is not the same as it occurring spontaneously, naturally, with subsequent generations having an environmental advantage.

[@therick363]

What’s an evolutionist? Why aren’t you asking scientists?

[@kos-mos1127]

Is there any evidence for God.

[@messageweek]

Thanks for your online work. Some good material for thought. Not sure whether you're aware, or what video/audio system you're using, but your lip-sync needs attentions - it's just a little bit out.

[@wiffleballer28]

I'll give you, for the sake of argument, your "recent discoveries that point to design" (although your usual lack of any sort of citing for these claims is noted). you still have all your work ahead of you to prove that it's the specific, personal god that you happen to believe in that did this purported designing. this moves the needle in your direction exactly zero, because (as usual) you've provided exactly zero evidence for your claims. it may move the needle in your direction if you're assuming your god a priori, independent of these recent findings...but then why bring then up in the first place?? who's the one with the cognitive dissonance??

[@grofakrl]

@@wiffleballer28 Sounds like you have more research ahead of you! :) Keep digging deeper and deeper, it's the aggregate evidence that ultimately points to Jesus as the truth. Truly appluade you for searching, keep looking for truth! Best of luck to ya! :)

[@elsantoschalbi4459]

Ok

[@armandolopez2274]

Well said 👏

[@wiffleballer28]

@@grofakrl lol I agree that you have to dig REAL deep to get to Jesus...I think that's called digging your own grave. best of luck to you getting outta there!

[@grofakrl]

​@@wiffleballer28 Then perhaps we have a misunderstanding. As thinking humans with consciousness and a desire to understand our existence and purpose, we all have to look at the evidence of reality and challenge ourselves by asking what is true (not what do I prefer, not what makes sense on the surface, not fed by bias - this all applies to myself as well). By no means would I expect someone to watch a singular video or look at evidence in silos and come to the conclusion that Jesus is the truth - I agree with you, that's a big jump. What I'm encouraging is that you continue on, press further. We all have to figure out what is true about these deep questions about life. Do not take anything from me, search openly about all aspects of life - morality, origin of life, history, science, all of it and make your own conclusions. Then look at that evidence holistically, without a set notion for or against one religion vs Jesus vs atheism, etc. Remember that you are solely on a quest for what is true! And I wish you the best of luck on your own personal journey, truly!

[@fsteddy6576]

This guy has a degree in philosophy not biology or genetics.

[@blusheep2]

But its the philosophy of science. One of the things philosopher's of science do is correlate the data and suggest interpretations.

[@rowanlocke8105]

In 1981, Meyer graduated cum laude from Whitworth College, where he received a Bachelor of Science (B.S.) with a double major in physics and earth science. Meyer was granted a scholarship by the Rotary Club of Dallas to study at Cambridge University, where he earned a Master of Philosophy (M.Phil.) in 1987 and a Doctor of Philosophy (Ph.D.) in history and the philosophy of science in 1991.

[@fsteddy6576]

@@rowanlocke8105 ya I googled it also before posting. My kid has a bachelor in science also but it doesn't qualify for much. The Phd is relevant and you can't interpret biological evolution without phd in biological evolution.

[@blusheep2]

@@fsteddy6576 Why not? What stops a Ph.D in the Philosophy of Science from reading peer reviewed papers and correlating them in order to propose new theories or interpretations? This is what we would call a genetic fallacy. What matters isn't one's degrees but his arguments. If you can point out where his argument has gone off the rails then maybe you can point to his education as a reason for making the mistake, but you can't logically deny his argument because he doesn't have the credentials you think he must have.

[@fsteddy6576]

@@blusheep2 Lack of an in-depth understanding of biology. Philosophy is a systematic study of general and fundamental questions concerning topics like existence, reason, knowledge, value, mind, and language. A philosopher will consider "I think therefore I am" but that doesn't give Descartes the authority to pontificate on how the brain works or to do brain surgery. Meyer is taking DNA studies and inserting his own alternate conclusion that just isn't there. There no consensus among the scientific community, he didn't do his own research & find evidence of coding by an intelligent being as he suggests. It's simply confirmation bias.

[@Jair2435]

Here is another way to say “mind over matter” “The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.”

[@paulo2357]

Reality is unreachable to us, we over impose mental model on top of it, based on experience. This means that fine tunning is property of the model, no a property of reality. We will never know what is the structure of reality, we are forever limited and all knowledge is provisional

[@lizzard13666]

Do you know that's true?

[@paulo2357]

@@lizzard13666 "Physics laws" have been "improved" and "amended" overtime as reality has shown exceptions to the "math theories and formulas". Look for "ultraviolet catastrophe". Models are not reality, and knowledge is always provisional, that doesn't mean is not useful, it just means we have to live with the fact that we can't know it all.

[@louisesamchapman6428]

1John5: 19, Matt4: 8,9"We Know we Originate with God But the Whole World is lying in the power of the Wicked One! " 2Peter3: 13,14 "But there Are New Heavens and a New Earth that we are awaiting according to His Promise, and in these Righteousness is to dwell..., since you are awaiting these things, Do Your Utmost To Be Found By Him Spotless and Unblemished and in Peace !" Matt6: 9to13 "Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done On Earth as it is in Heaven..."

[@fritula6200]

From whom does LOVE exist ?? Where do you get it from...

[@bigred8438]

Being a Biologist and a Spiritual person, the question for me is not whether Evolutionary Theory or Intelligent Design is better at explaining why we are like we are Biologically. The better question for me would be: If intelligent design correctly infers that we are designed with a specific purpose in mind, what is the purpose. What is the purpose for human existence? It almost seems as though we exist with enough curiosity and imagination to discover particular facts about our biology, but this does not lead to an explanation about why we are here with the ability to be subjectively self aware, and at the same time be objectively aware that life is really a tortuous experience, given we have compassion, empathy and understanding of sad and horrifying events involving other people especially our loved ones. If, as an organism what it is that makes up our bodies with all its physiology and structures, was intelligently designed, it is almost as though we are like a cake being made but with some of crucial ingredients omitted from the recipe.

[@petervermeer.4904]

If humans, and especially the human body was "intelligently designed" they could have done a better job with that. You should know that better than me. Since you are a biologist. I'm just a guy on YT. Also in the animal world we see this. An example Mammoths weren't perfectly designed, the same goes for Dodo's. Therefore there are no more Mammoths and no more Dodo's around today. A Giraffe is also a problematic design. A short time ago in my country a young giraffe, born i a zoo, broke his neck and died. Their necks are very fragile obviously.

[@davegaetano7118]

Not just an intelligence, but an intelligence that is so immensely beyond anything we can even begin to conceive. Good thing God is for us, isn't it.

[@JohnSpencer90]

So even if you grant the possibility of design, that would get you to Deism. However, the real question is how you get from Deism to Theism, which is an incredible leap.

[@ionebarczak9383]

11- Thou shall not lie nor give false testimony

[@melissageno4591]

Great job guys❤

[@JessBar-qx8rk]

Don't chase money chase your passion

[@petepop4319]

The world will not change until we decide to drop knowledge as a static thing to be held and revered and hidden. We all know what's right, the people that don't play well with others are the one's that have never experienced 'what's right', because other people have ignored what's right. The whole worry about GOD is wasted time, wasted mind. God is everywhere and nowhere, God hold your fist back, you push through to cause pain in this world, we are the cause, everything is inside us and we are not listening.

[@krisbest6405]

Modern understanding is way past a biblical god. We can ,augh at a young Earth.. All the death and suffering is mind boggling .

[@terezialamlova3669]

Simply astonishing... I didn't know that the word "intelligence" had come from the Latin "choosing between." Many interesting informations🙂 thank You

[@terezialamlova3669]

@S.w.a.l.l.o.w 🙂

[@sbeasley1785]

I believe without question that “God” exists…I just don’t know what “God” is - but more importantly I need no outside confirmation of my belief…it is real and of that I am convinced beyond question.

[@maureennewman905]

“There is no God , for God is all there is “

[@dentonhahn2907]

Very good! Your last remarks were spot on, most folks who I have talked to about this subject, when you get to the point of information comes from a mind, generally they resort to " you don't understand anything about evolution " it can be frustrating. Thanks for the video.

[@Ohwhin]

Whats interesting to me is the logical progression and where it falls for different people. We've known for quite a while that life is too complex to appear by random chance and species simply adapt to their environment over time while not actually changing species. But even if you say life on Earth was created by an extraterrestrial/extradimensional species then it follows "Who created them?" and it also follows that the older and farther you get asking that question the more likely the answer is to be "We don't know". Some people are not willing to leave the mystery in life and that mystery may well be the meaning of life itself.