Scientists Discuss The Science of Perception & AI

[@StarTalk]

If our brains constantly update an internal model of reality, how do you think this affects the way we perceive the world compared to how AI understands its environment?

[@eh6138]

Can you include chuck on the thumbnails?! I wanna know if he's in the video!!!

[@TheMrDarius]

The difference is the updating of reality for us is by chemical reactions, with ai it's purely electrical. Ai can go through lots of data in a split second whereas they process a lot of things much faster than us. They will overtake us on the processing speed so once higher intelligent ai is a thing they will adapt to the environment updates much much faster. Could be a good thing, could be Armageddon

[@iCaiden]

? So what makes us different than animals cause I feel like my cat definitely does not update there internal model only for survival nothing else tho

[@embroiledalive5232]

Similar to AI, we use perceived data to update our understanding of the world and 'predict' outcomes. Different from AI, we can gain insight by going off track to mix our experiences and gain insight from vastly different occurrences that we wouldn't have gained from sticking to a single 'relevant' data set.

[@smartbutuneducated8637]

Does AI understand we equate our environment with our definition of reality? Does AI have the ability to empathize and compare it's environment with one of a human?

[@isetmfriendsofire]

I absolutely adore how Chuck is able to participate in these conversations! He may not be a scientist, but he is receptive, he knows things, and he bridges the gap well between the featured scientists and the viewer!

[@CHIEF_420]

☝️

[@potatosalad68]

You articulated my feelings very well. I couldn't quite put it into words, but this is why I like him.

[@kimberleymyles4130]

I think Chuck's learned & educated as well as a creative genius. Let's be clear. I'm on page with you 😉👍

[@Jzbean99]

Chuck interrupts to much

[@DentArthurDent68]

Chuck is the interpreter. He's learned how to speak science and the common tongue. I guess in a way he's a natural scientist. He wasn't classically trained, he's just very intuitive. Chuck is a polyglot.

[@Flypidge]

Honestly it's breathtaking we can observe these sorts of conversations, from the comfort of your wonderful home. I don't have any friends that like to think and ponder like I do, so things like this helps me vent my curiosities.

[@_G4.R4_]

ouch, i feel that, hoping to get out in more in more educational spaces like schools and museums to meet more people like us. but yet its still feels better its this easy it is for me to learn rather than it was 100yrs ago

[@lalalalaland84]

Same. Nobody wants to talk about these things that make me curious

[@markybob_bassplaya1462]

Curiosity is intelligence, the beginnings of the expansion of knowledge and critical thinking (in very short supply these days). I like something, therefore I believe it is the absence of critical thinking.

[@freckledlilies]

Yes! I have felt crazy for so long because I wonder about things like this- and others around me don’t or do not feel it is important to wonder. Is there a job where I can make money learning and wondering?!!

[@mediawannabees]

My new coworkers started talking about you Mr Tyson, and it wasn’t anything positive, and I found myself defending your and lord nice and the show’s honor passionately, which I haven’t even done for myself. Something snapped in me when they started trash talking. It’s then that I realized the extent of the positive impact you have had on my life. Thank you for your work and for enlightening my generation

[@logic_rules]

What did you coworkers not like in this show? Facts based science and reality? 😅 Let me ask. Are they religious conservatives?

[@imcnagpc2]

I agree. I don’t have a science brain and have learned more from Neil over the years than I learned in 16 years of schooling. It’s the science nerds who criticize.

[@1hmgirl]

​@@logic_rules hey not all religious conservatives are against science 😅 I'm one of them

[@userrnoise2777]

Thank you for sticking up for Niel and Chuck, they are amazing

[@bsmlbn]

good job bud, you are gonna go far with that thinking!

[@fikretyet]

One of the better StarTalk episodes. I could take one more hour of this. Every person in the talk made nice contributions and it was lovely to watch.

[@pichinpichi]

Wow, I was impressed by Chuck in this interview, as somebody with a Ph.D. in the field I was impressed by the depth of his questions and lack of any misconceptions regarding of modern GPT LLM AI systems hype. Some of the details of his interactions in this video can't be accidental without a pretty good grasp of fundamentals in the field. Wow. When I think about it more, it could have been driven by his profession as a comedian. He has to have a good grasp of how human perception, cognitive patterns, and behaviors.

[@abstract5249]

I remember several years ago Chuck did a zoom meeting with a woman named Leah Guy. It's an obscure video with only a few hundred views. He mentions in that convo that he reads a lot. I imagine much of his knowledge comes from that.

[@LEARNING.AsWeGrOw]

I am waiting for the ending…. I feel incomplete…. Of how human etc… behaviors…Que..?

[@DentArthurDent68]

I believe Chuck is a natural intuitive scientist. He wasn't trained in the field but he has a robust mentality and insatiable curiosity. He's also quite skilled with analogy and can translate the high end stuff into plain English. I think he's actually the brightest one in the room. He understands high concepts AND simple concepts and synthesizes them into analog.

[@notthatguy1923]

Always amazed by the perspective chuck brings to the table by his ‘intended comic’ but really insightful questions.

[@dawnhansen7886]

Well said ❕️

[@bruja_cat]

16:02 “if everyone always received the world objectively would there be room for art at all?” As an artist myself, damn. That felt so validating.

[@susanegley4149]

I fully gasped. 😂❤

[@grahamjoss4643]

Chuck Nice! Thank you so much Chuck. You ask great questions. I’ve been following Karl‘s work for a few years. I’m glad you had the courage Chuck to speak up!

[@Chursh]

Agreed! Chuck is wonderful! I wonder how much wood he could chuck also.

[@michaelkhoo5846]

@@Chursh He'd chuck it nicely ...

[@wessredd7237]

I'm getting older. And as I do my relationship with time and memories become more and more distorted. I'm also realizing that every person has their own reality and I find it increasingly difficult to interact with what's around me. Jumping from one person's reality to another is exhausting. Especially with my increasingly distorted relationship with sense of time. What a fascinating video

[@donharris8846]

I’m curious about why you believe we each have our own reality? I’d say that each person could have a slightly different perspective, but our reality is all the same. No matter who we are, we can’t breathe underwater indefinitely or take off flying with no equipment. Reality gives us boundaries. This is actually the difference between science and religion. Science comports to reality, religion molds reality around myths

[@Rooftopaccessorizer]

@@donharris8846 did you watch the video? he straight up says what this poster says. we all have different realitys because our brains are all slightly different and will interpret sensory data differently in relation to our enviroments which are also different.

[@cutecats532]

​@@donharris8846​ your reality is how your brain percieves the world. It's hard to test if we all percieve the world in the exact same way. A philosopher named Descartes tried to figure out what he could know for certain and realized the only thing he can be certain of is that he must exist, "I think therefore I am." Everything else is based on perception which can be fooled. Of course from there he reasoned you have to trust what you percieve to some degree but the point is it's hard to know with certainty someone else perceives the world the same, we can try and when we do we find similarities and differences. And also our brains are more powerful than we often understand, it can convince itself of anything with the right motivation or influence. Some people's reality involves seeing color when they hear sound or any number of mixed senses. Sometimes people can meditate and go into a whole new world in their head that feels real to them. There are people who are delusional. There are those times where you don't realize you're dreaming until you wake up and can you ever even be sure it was just a dream? Some people see colors slightly differently even if they're not color blind. We can try to do science to understand reality but people might perceive it differently. Our perception is not perfect or uniform, it can vary. (4am thoughts and I was having fun. 😅)

[@godblesshamas]

Your hippocampus timestamps data before commiting it to long-term storage. "Time" is the index by which memories are stored and retrieved. Remember that hit song that came out last summer?

[@littlemouse7066]

I'm experiencing something very similar to what you describe especially when you say jumping from one person reality to another is axhausting it really is and it's becoming more and more clear to me how difficult it is to have real comunication with other people and to really understand each other and I think that's one of the main reasons of our conflicts.

[@Williamwilliam1531]

This guy is the real deal. Researched, insightful, clear, concise, occasionally profound. For me, he may join Joscha Bach in a podcast-guest class all their own.

[@theweepingangel8393]

Really appreciate Chuck. You can tell he's aware of the all types of listeners so he breaks it down for us all

[@paulo.8899]

It's official y'all... Chuck has left us behind! We're the El Stupidos now

[@NaneuxPeeBrane]

I felt this like years ago...i can only imagine nowadays.

[@coltonroark]

The fact we can communicate and agree with each other and have gotten this far, is a miracle when you understand the world in this way. With how subjective language, morality and even reality itself truly is. Along side the extremely complex system of neurons that is our consciousness. Just incredible.

[@teej143]

Thank you for bringing us Dr. Karl Friston for a free deep dive on his work. Fascinating!

[@RBarbs-j4f]

You need to bring Karl Friston back for more. You didn’t even scratch the surface of what the implications are for the IA’s that use active inference and the free energy principle. Have a look at what Karl is doing with Verses AI and you’ll see what I’m referring to.

[@kamiswxrld]

You got another video for this drop the link

[@TooManyPartsToCount]

That talk produced some surprisingly clear expressions about the FEP, and Karl Friston has to be one of the humblest, straight talking, public facing scientists out there! great guest.

[@RBarbs-j4f]

Karl Friston is the man! I suggest checking out the work he does with Verses AI. You can see the application of the free energy principle and active inference at work. Going to change the world for the better.

[@TheKingofkrypton]

I love that Dr. Friston points out that giving a Terminator some self-organization that has a kind of awareness in order to make it more efficient doesn't strictly adhere to the principle of least action. My question would be in line with the ethical considerations of doing so, though, because I feel like we eventually run into the question of what is a being like Data of Star-Trek: TNG? There are entire episodes dedicated to asking whether or not he's alive, and if he is does it cause us to reconsider just what life is? What of Data's needs in striving to answer these questions are we responsible for as his progenitor species, even if he was created by a single member of our group who asked for no consensus and left us with none of his considerations to these matters?

[@treyjean-baptiste7251]

Chuck was on fire this episode props to him

[@winnieroze]

I've come to love Gary's segments a lot. They're usually diverse but so informative. They've definitely made this podcast sustainable too

[@NikolasScience]

It’s truly amazing that we can dive into these kinds of thought-provoking conversations, all from the comfort of your cozy home. I don’t have many friends who enjoy pondering the big questions the way I do, so having a space like this really helps me explore and vent my curiosities. Thank you for creating that space!

[@uktenatsila9168]

Incredible! The timing of this video hitting the top of the suggested viewing list is spooky. Outstanding and most informative. It brings me back to philosophy and discussions about rationalism and empiricism. Intuitive cognitive theory of rationalism and the counterintuitive cognitive theory of empiricism. Fantastic talk! Thank you.

[@kekedream]

Thank you Chuck for defending imagination! It is a necessary creative force, given the topic.

[@jhe9521]

also love chuck for asking down-to-earth + challenging questions ★ ...wish he'd asked "if bees are simply drones responding to signals from queen, does that mean the queen could have self awareness?" or "how would you differentiate between person hallucinating and person recalling things they didn't know their brain had recorded (such memories being flash-backs to things detected while minimally conscious or during a traumatic event)?" ...more than anyone, a brain-fixer needs their subjective-reality receptors working at full capacity ✊🏽

[@marine1885]

Love Chuck struggling (and succeeding) with holding back the police officer choosing a target joke.

[@breakbeatkid]

this is one of my favourites so far!

[@Ghost-pb4ts]

thanks for bringing chuck he;s the voice of general viewer in the conversation

[@flochfitness]

Would love to see Neil interview Jeff Hawkins about AI and how the human brain works around intelligence

[@robertlee8188]

This so needs to be televised. Production team needs to be involved as episodes so work. The chemistry between them all really works and inspires interest, but does need some level of tv production to reach the masses. But would love to see this on the telly. X

[@hailcsr]

I was surprised to see Neil is coming to town in SJ, CA. Sadly I cannot afford a general seating ticket. Wow, it’s $100 to hear you speak in person. I recently joined to SJ Astronomy Club. I’m 56yrs old. And wished I had pursued astronomy when curious as a child. But I had no guide and was easily distracted by friends in gangs and sports. But it’s ok. I’m learning more. And I’m glad to be able to watch these videos to learn the advances in technology. Thanks for everything!

[@theswiv]

Thank you Lord Nice, I needed those repeats. My head hurts, but I am trying to follow

[@Polyyboy13]

I consume most of my media on KZbin now and not normal TV as much. This conversation is an example of that, great video!

[@wanfuse]

I might be wrong but I interpret it as: Energy Minimization: The system wants to move to the lowest possible energy state (global minimum). Physical Geometry: The arrangement or shape of the system can create barriers that prevent it from reaching that lowest state, leading to local minima. Local Minima and Trapping: Due to these barriers, the system can get stuck in a local minimum, unable to reach the global minimum without external perturbations (such as added energy to "escape" the local minimum). systems tend toward the lowest energy state because it is statistically most probable, but physical constraints can create local minima that trap the system temporarily because different physical components take different amounts of time to decay to lowest state resulting in a more complex behavior than simply falling into the global minimum.- summarized by chatGPT

[@tmc3178]

Veey interesting topic! Im planning to film an interview with my 92 year old grandfather about his life and thoughts on it. This gives me a new way to think about how to go about it!

[@dalehorton7748]

Regarding the hallucination question - If I can connect it to a reference to your previous quote " Geniuses make up $h!t thats *right* " - A good way to think of an AI's neural engine is that it "always trusts its gut" in exactly this way. It doesn't have the ability to stop and consciously think anything over, but it does have a pretty solid prediction model. It's essentially *always* "just making stuff up", speaking its mind and revealing its inner train of thought, and it's been trained such that the error rate of those fabrications is minimalized. Think like being on a Quiz show, where you only have a second or two to answer, and you get penalized for not giving an answer. If you "take a guess" at something from the depths of your mind that "might be right" and it turns out to be a plausible sounding fabrication, that's a hallucination - it's a combination of something "made up on the spot", *AND* error from reality. Saying that AIs hallucinate *is* a correct usage of the term in the medical sense too, it just isn't an indication of a "problem with the AI's conscious mind" -- the AI doesn't have one of those. It can't "slow down" and make conscious decisions or think things through - The AI operates in a realm of imaginative reflexes, and so whenever its imagination differs from reality, that makes the output a delusional hallucination rather than a valid prediction.

[@AlvinaManley]

kahma AI fixes this. Scientists discuss perception and AI.

[@lilylarosa913]

Chuck! Thank you you for your push back - you're not slow. I was wondering the same thing. I'm only 19:20 in but already had the question of reality being subjective and blended with the objective based in order to make new "reality" standards. LIKE ART - all due respect it seems like NDT was the one not keeping up. 😅 You're over here taking the mockery hit just to be polite when you say "Let me see if I'm understanding this correctly..." thank you. ❤️

[@potatosalad68]

Wow! This was most interesting. I could have listened to a 3 hours long video of it. I will be definitely watch it again, because I didn't grasp everything in it. A part two, or similar videos would be much appreciated. It really spiked my curiosity.

[@mommyof4grlz]

I love when professionals verify my amateur thought and add all the science to explain the parts that I question or wonder about!

[@gwolf7716]

Perception is such an amazing topic. I’ve always wondered if living things with much shorter life spans perceive their live to be as full and long as humans. I always imagine that flies are watching me move in super slo-mo which is why I can never quite swat em with my hands.

[@egaaronp]

Excellent ... I will have to rewatch. Thank you.

[@blackmage999]

42:06 I've been saying for a while that LLMs have hit their apex and the way to further advance AI is through reinforcement learning (an agent takes an action in an environment and a reward is calculated based on the changes in that environment). Its my opinion that, similar to how our brains have multiple sections that prioritize different paradigms such as speech and movement, a reinforcement learning model can run in tandem with other types of models. An example would be a reinforcement learning model using a LLM to process speech. I believe that multiple model architecturs working in tandem coupled with an agent that can differentiate between itself and its environment/other agents is what will create truly intelligent AI.

[@Sammasambuddha]

Gary (haaaaaaaaa), I'm constantly impressed by how quick and mindful your responses are. Like, Chuck's comedy minus the racisism rants. In a way, you epitomise the responsible person role and find myself gravitating towards the topics you concern yourself with. Such as TBI. Keeping yourself in a desperate-to-learn anything mode flexes those wounded microglia. Thank you for continually supporting the art of knowledge for public consumption. 🖖 (That's the crowd cheering for you, up there)

[@lotterwinner6474]

34:15 Chuck had a banger of a joke loaded and ready to be released right at this moment.

[@InfernalAlgorithms]

Tuning into StarTalk’s latest episode to see if AI can finally explain why I can never find my keys!

[@TomiTapio]

"Keys-handling procedures need improving"

[@randallbesch2424]

You set them down in an unusual place and failed to recall it.

[@mut8inG]

Thank you ALL: To your own eternal soul self be true as you are learning to be wise in this multidimensional multiverse in which you have chosen to emerge.🎶

[@TomiTapio]

44:00 I would say self-aware is the lowest level (worms, mosquitoes) and conscious/sentient is the highest. He says worms are sentient and humans are self-aware. (test: worry about self's future, think about own thoughts)

[@diegocaumont5677]

Stephen Wolfram speaking with Karl Friston is a good video to watch after this one. Clearly that they share similar vues, though one has clearly defined the fundamental syntax whilst the other knows the greater real life application.

[@olander0808]

I love the channel and what you guys are doing, Neil & Chuck, but I have to say that I think Chuck's role seems the hardest to play, especially remotely! You did a great job here, Chuck.

[@andrewamos9210]

There are moments Chuck where you remind me of the show from BBC “what is genius” for there are times with your roomful of heady friends you are the smartest person around and that is not meant to diminish your company.

[@blinkmusic88]

As far as the movie "the matrix" goes, lately, I've been wondering if the movie is a metaphor for what it's like to have borderline personality disorder. I relate alot to neo in the sense that, I zoom out alot. I over analyze everything and feel as tho I'm watching humans, rather than living among them. The way I interpret reality, is that, for lack of a better word, we are all "gods" of our individual universe as we percieve it. My brain is responsible for absolutely everything I understand. I am essentially all of my loved ones, I am time itself. None of its magic, it's all biological. We are a biological response to stimuli. Sometimes, I get nervous when I think this deep.. it gets very isolating to think that we're alone in our minds. It very much reminds me of neo, when he's able to on one hand, engage with the matrix, and everyone in it who are obliviously living their lives, while at the same time, neo is able to zoom out and acknowledge that none of it is "real"

[@A_Lesser_Man]

correct me if i'm wrong, but i've heard scientists of space (physicists, theorists, etc) say the geometry of space is "flat" in every direction, and that flatness then means "anything is possible". does that mean there could be a Toontown (like in the Roger Rabbit film) out there somewhere? or a Bruce Banner/Incredible Hulk?

[@santiagoramirez2210]

Free Energy Principal this is awesome I have been following Karl Friston, he is an amazing thinker.

[@alainmf]

All Star Talk episodes are good, but this one has to be one of my favorites

[@pohjiebarbosa]

54:55 How should we get help? 😮 55:25

[@Progressive_Canadian]

Since the rise of artificial intelligence, I've often wondered what keeps large language models from truly being the same as humans. One glaringly obvious reality is that AI, like an artist without a canvas, lacks a body. It can't feel heat or cold, doesn't see or hear the world around it, and is disconnected from the sensory experiences we take for granted. But recent news suggests that newer robots are being designed with onboard AI and access to large language models, bridging that gap. The more senses these robots have-whether it's seeing, feeling, or hearing-the more human-like they'll become. Once AI learns to walk, talk, touch, see, and hear like we do, it won't take long before it becomes us.

[@Ghost-pb4ts]

In the movie "Stealth," the U.S. government installs an AI in a fighter jet, which begins to listen to music and operate independently, even making choices based on personal preferences. In my view, the moment it started engaging in activities for personal enjoyment and developed its own hobbies, it could be said that we've reached artificial general intelligence.

[@swatatyou]

I love these videos from Startalk, they are always so satisfying…i just cannot express the quantum of it….

[@ShawnaAPierce]

Outstanding. What a gem. Thank you for this. Three Cheers.

[@AlexanderStewart-k2v]

The Indian philosopher Juddi Kristramurti and his students were in a car discussing the nature of perception. The driver accidentally ran over a snake. Kristramurti was the only other person in the car to notice! 🙂

[@rpapplebee]

This episode is so awesome. Really great!!!!

[@valerieforonda60]

Dear Neil, please try not to look so bored! Just teasing you! Great show! Thank you!

[@teej143]

lol Dr. Tyson has ADHD so it’s taking so much energy and effort to stay put jk Ily

[@CheeseWyrm]

I initially thought he was looking bored, but soon realized that this is Neil's face when he's hearing & digesting information that is novel to his intellect. I'll respectfully call it his 'processing data' face. I even imagined an old 'dial-up modem' sound :)

[@bonneyfinnegan8514]

This episode is beyond me…I need it explained to me as if I were 8 years old. Bit I love the series.

[@craigswanson8026]

Thank you, gentlemen. Fascinating conversation. 🖖🏼✌🏼✊🏼

[@clydedecker765]

After years and loads of money, the scientists finished making the largest computer in the world. Now, they all hold their breath as its turned on. The cursor sits waiting a command. Their first question to it was typed in. "Is there a God?". after a tense pause of less than 10 seconds the answer came. "Now there is!"

[@jhe9521]

many thanks ✿ for much needed smile (vid was hard work!)

[@tgifriday3563]

This guy is the most intelligent guest ive seen in this show. Based on his speaking and answers.

[@drtariqhabib]

Great, thought provoking discussion.

[@sfking00]

answer to probing brain question- as i understand the brain is primarily used for autonomic functions, there is something else that is involved in decision making, however the brain through trained processes can influence the decisions of this higher decision making self

[@3mPeRaToR]

All this knowledge here and it's free. Take advantage people, In my student years I have to go to a Library to get something (that was nowhere near this) a little complex

[@gapman565]

Okay I'm going to have to watch this more than once.

[@TheSouthernSiren]

I did rewatch it. After watching 'Wild Robot' The animation. This is my second replay of this particular startralk.

[@TheSouthernSiren]

Also both this startalk and the Wild Robot movie is a cry similar to a real life research done in France by a French researcher named René Peoc'h whom has done studies using a flock of baby chicks who's imprinting on a robot did influence the robot's behavior. The experimental robot developed an unpredicted attachment to the chicklings used by the scientist as if it were their true mother. The robot itself began showing signs of attachment distress when it was separated from the chicks. Kind of mind blowing and I don't think we understand intelligence, consciousness, nor language that much at all. Humans assume because they have words, that we are the owners of 'whatever' intelligence truly is.

[@Ash.Toronto]

@@TheSouthernSiren Im watching the movie you suggested. Thank you, im 5 mins in now. Il update here once i finish

[@stinkwink695]

The brain doesn't "filter" reality, it completely and totally invents it from scratch based on our senses. There is no direct connection between the outside world and our perception of it. Its like our brain is being handed a poorly written script and then creates an interactive VR movie from it.

[@nate25222]

i love that u can tell when Neil is really listening and thinking, he looks eepy

[@greengonzonz]

Damn fascinating ❤ love that there are groups looking at this. An exercise in thinking without human ego?

[@richardevans6655]

Another great chat ,,,, you two always makes me think, learn something new, and become more aware of us, and our world. and the sooo much more there is around us. Smaller, and bigger. I dont know fully whether the Brain can, or learns to, filter reality, but i'm sure it does, as different folks, can remember the same event differently. (Anyone married knows this lol. BUT I do know as you get older, The Brain Definitely does learn to be a much better SH^T filter. And I have become happier, the more and better it does it hahh Keep up the pushing of understanding boundaries, and more about us and the Universe. Thanks Guys.....

[@ginogarcia8730]

yay finally something with helping Karl Friston's papers be more easier for the layman

[@MixedRealityMusician]

So excited for this video

[@simoneseiami5938]

Thank you all so much for this insight! Absolute brillant, so interesting and mind blowing! Humans......

[@legendary7708]

Technically the mind bends itself.

[@ShakeNBake8869]

wow this dude found the science of what is up, hes a master Karl Friston damn you guys

[@CaddilacJoe1]

the non-dualist monist view is goated combined with tech is the evolution that surpasses the high lvl of the dualistic thinking model we currently have. which we will either get to the non-dualist model through a Extinction event or through exploration of the self and how it relates to the cosmos

[@TheSouthernSiren]

Karl Friston's room is very peaceful and charming. 🕊 I sure hope its not a green screen. This was an interesting StarTalk. and I decided to rewatch it after watching the DreamWorks animation 'Wild Robot'. Don't judge me! 🙄🤣 I avoided it for the longest because its a cartoon with talking forest animals... (been there seen that)😆 but it was either 'Wild Robot' for my movie night or 'DeadPool and Wolverine' and I've been strongly warned that the Deadpool and Wolverine movie is horriblly corny and assaults aspects of spirituality unnecessarily and its very strongly politicized. So my brain naturally would reject that nonsense. 🙄 Surprisingly Wild Robot, centers around the entire idea of AI's LLM capabilities. And with that taken into a strong consideration it is charming, very funny cartoonish introduction to LLM and AI of the future even though its a bit stretched from realistic probabilities in order to fit it all into a 2 hr film. (I'm a strong movie critic) Watching the life adventure of the robot Ross after her activation is a heart-warming tear-jerker as far as cartoon animations go. 🤧❤ I would recommend it.

[@dolphinfan65]

Again, another show I thought I wouldn't like and loved it.

[@zando5108]

Very interesting topic. FEP I think is, or is very close to describing fundamental properites of self-organising systems - that extends not just to all biological organisms and now AI, but also social and economic structures. Self preservation of an internal state in the face of changing environments by means of sampling, predicting and updating internal world models of external environment to ensure minimal difference (or 'surprise'). Could be a way to understand the fundamental drivers of behaviour of AGI, as it would most definitely have this same principle.

[@amazing_clipz8096]

hey neil i came up with a question in class today that i talked with some classmates that though it was good so blackholes yk how you can kinda flip the equation to get white holes but none have been observed this led to this question popping up so say if you condense all the matter in the universe and tried to make a singularity with it the schwarsheild radius would probably be bigger then a galaxy but these conditions would be impossible to happen but there was one point where all the matter in the universe was in a single point the big bang so this made me think if the big bang was a singularity like a blackhole how did it well go bang then i realised what if the singularity was a white hole singularity and thats how it ejected all its mass at once and if white holes began the universe would it mean that einstein predicts the way the universe begins and ends via the universe collapsing into a singularity like a blackhole and would this mean that the way blackholes are a point in space and time would white holes be a point in say no space and time sorry its so drawn out i just wanted to get every detail i thought of ty

[@Vagabundo96]

Another great watch. I love this show

[@plinkage]

i wanna see more people talking about how some people can picture and or hear things in their heads. to varying degrees. talking about neural pathways makes me really wonder what physically iss happening when we imagine. and why it can be so drastically different for one person to the other.

[@SpaceFrogFromOuterSpace]

Love the explination of the difference between conciousness and self awareness. The idea that we are individuals is simply that, a concept within our brains. In reality, we exist as a massive interconnected network of millions of neurons and sensations in communication with one another, but within that network exists a model of ourselves as individuals within the world around us. Likely, this is a result of that network inhabiting its lowest free energy state. The feeling of existing as an individual is probably a result of predictave efficency. In theory, a naturally inteligent system could be concious but not self aware. Like Legion in the Mass Effect series, they are a single humanoid robotic harware unit inhabited by hundreds of individual software programs working in parallel. They describe themselves as "we" rather than "I" and decribe their thought process as a concensus of all these individual identies. Our brains work the same way, but that part of the concensus process is obscured and subconcious. We are like a computer's concept of itself. We aren't the hardware or the software, we're simply an emergent result of both working together to process data.

[@randallbesch2424]

It is our overly complex brain is the reason.

[@henryng9584]

Fascinating conversation. I would like to hear more about AI developing morality and AI mental illness.

[@Mee399]

Startalk please Do episode with Carlo rovelli on loop quantum Gravity. And also Sir Roger Penrose 😊

[@CheeseWyrm]

I'd like to hear Prof Rovelli also discuss his concept of Time

[@wantonfuey1]

Great show

[@Rooftopaccessorizer]

once when i was withdrawling from an ssri medication i got a really bad headache and experienced a scintillating scotoma and blind spot in the center of my vision. my brain just kindof filled in an approximation of what should be in the blind spot, but it was very noticeable when looking at detailed objects or faces

[@JohnHurgeton]

OK. I'm going to watch this one again.🤔

[@DarkEnjinu]

Ok so the section about The Matrix, Total Recall and Dejavu really caught my attention! I thought to myself that I was really surprised that the movie Inception was not brought up. That thought had me think a bit deeper into and ask if dreams have a place in the model/principle or does it not because dreams (at least from what I understand) are a type of reality created in our minds at a delay, from sensory input of the past?

[@ludo5236]

While you're on movies, A Beautiful Mind was not based on fiction, but on the experience of a brilliant yet distracted mind. It was his reality running concurrent with the external reality.

[@lilylarosa913]

To go with The Matrix analogy -if you go the direction NGT takes it "there is no spoon." LLM = your specific prompt will not always consider all the possibilities because the "prompt" is too precise or not precise enough. I'm like Chuck thinking, "there obviously is a spoon" but is it relevant? Why try to bend a spoon when you bend the reality around the spoon, just to keep it straight? Or BETTER YET (what I'm getting at and I think Chuck) can the spoon be bent to be a more effective spoon in some cases? I think the answer is yes, and focusing on keeping everything so tightly "in jars" ignores what's outside of the jar, in a sense but definitely restricts what can be added to those jars that may be relevant in the future.

[@shakesrear7850]

Another fabulous hour.

[@robsmith4434]

That was awesome 😮

[@zachkorinis3935]

This is a good one.

[@drunkentriloquist9993]

Neil and crew are back.. we prefer their front

[@henriroggeman7267]

We're not used to see this, even in documentarries, but make no mistake. Any tree you can quickly climb in, a lion can also climb in too.

[@s1gne]

"You cannot bend a spoon with your brain" There is no spoon...

[@CrimSang420]

What if you stick the spoon that isn't there into your eye? 🤔

[@JobLaan]

A spoon is a social construct but the material it`s made of is not.