Charizard vs Typhlosion - Pokemon Crystal

[@myggmastaren3365]

Hi everyone, and welcome back to another installment of "Both of these two pokemon can learn mud-slap, but Gligar can not!"

[@matthewcline5040]

*cries in gligar*

[@PascalHorn]

As well as earthquake.

[@BryanM86]

Gligar the worst bat pokemon

[@skeetermania3202]

Welcome to Jackass!

[@Mistblute]

Technically it can though through 100%ing stadium 2

[@austinsager912]

Your channel really sets itself apart from other Pokemon challenges by digging into every single detail of the run, the quirks of the region and your route. Always keeps me engaged, great work as always!

[@RaycrowX]

Absolutely. Scott’s attention to detail really shows. It’s very clear to me that he doesn’t just explore every possibility because he wants to do it, but because he HAS to do it.

[@Xeraser2]

The attention to detail and overall thoroughness are so refreshing when compared to something like jrose's hour-long infoless whine-a-tons.

[@TheMoogleKing93]

I'll never get tired of Lance's introduction, with the 3 Dragonite's just appearing like Hiya!

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Yeah, that’s my favourite intro! I had so much fun making it.

[@shadowtitanx3962]

3 inappropriately leveled Dragonites at that.

[@lucamayhem]

*Champion Lance won't stop talking.

[@zenitfan4life]

I didn't realize how much earlier Charizard gets access to Flamethrower than Typhlosion, though it may not be as crucial since both get access to Fire Punch early on. Typhlosion has an additional advantage of having access to Thunderpunch, and Charizard's flying type could prove to be a liability. I predict another Hidden Power Rock for both in the second playthrough (which is becoming my favorite hidden power, it's use case is so niche and unique!). Oh, and Gligar might be quietly crying in the corner again..

[@jameswhite2308]

Honestly I think it might have been better against the Gyarados in the run than HP Ice, and maybe the dragonite? Idk

[@qweschuning]

Gligar struggling w HP ground... 😢

[@NegaSyrus5000]

Funny enough, if he started out as their first form and evolved them charizard wouldn't even get flamethrower unless he used the move tutor

[@AchEdeJungeNeDu]

This brings back memories. When Gen2 first came out, a friend of mine got his copy of silver before i ever got a gen2 game. He didnt bother reading any of the text, didnt know what to do or where to go and got stuck right at the beginning before even the first rival fight.He thought "maybe i need to train more to continue". Blasting through the first few trainers and gyms with a lvl 37 Typhlosion certainly was an experience.

[@red-eyessolares1817]

It was a pretty close match, but I honestly can’t wait for Feraligatr vs Blastoise! I can’t wait to see you show the full power of them at least better than how the rivals used them.

[@JaharNarishma]

Water gun is so good.

[@grapefruitwrestling7215]

Scott's thumbnail art don't miss

[@JJSSBU]

Aura Sphere moment

[@shadowtitanx3962]

Kowtow Cleave moment as well

[@Fallenhero4567]

Thanks Scott!

[@libraryscholaralexis6581]

Glad that Typhlosion won. Typhlosion was my first pokemon ever so I have a special place in my heart for the Cyndaquil line in general. Glad that my all time favorite starter did such a good job in my first ever pokemon game. Access to Thunder Punch makes a big difference since that coverage for water types is so useful. This was a great watch and please keep up the great work. Can't wait to see Feraligatr and Blastoise having their showdown against each other.

[@anotherimpact8302]

Typhlosion didn't actually win,he just fcked up some things on his charizard playthrough

[@perkypenguin1663]

I think it’s awesome seeing just how much better you’ve gotten at Crystal, especially how much of an impact it makes cutting out Sprout Tower and memorizing the dark areas without Flash. It’s very cool seeing you improve so much at routing. I will say though, while I don’t know if this would’ve been better, I’m surprised you didn’t make use of the Defense Curl + Rollout strategy with Typhlosion to beat Lance in the first solo. Obviously HP Ice is way better for the Dragonite in the second solo, but that caught me by surprise. (Also I think it’s really funny that Charizard learns Defense Curl, but not Rollout)

[@Eggsceptional]

You are a master of your craft sir. But I have to admit... I'm the most excited for Blastoise VS Feraligatr. I love me some Water starters!

[@PokeMaster22222]

As I said in the Meganum/Venusaur video, Charizard does get Flamethrower much earlier than Typhlosion, but doesn't get ThunderPunch, so the drake will melt through a lot of the game but will likely struggle with Water-types more. As for base stats being identical...y'know, if I could, I'd alter Charizard's stats to make him more physically-oriented - switch his Atk and Sp. Atk, at least in Gen 4 onwards. The Kanto starters are all primarily special attackers as it is, and Charizard's physical movepool in Gen 4+ is so much wider than his special movepool (not to mention Swords Dance, Dragon Dance, and Belly Drum), so I think turning Charizard into a physical beast is justified. Just like how I'd turn Sceptile into a physical attacker, too - the physical Leaf Blade being his signature move, along with most of his moves being physical as well, and his design, all scream for his Atk and Sp. Atk to be switched.

[@qwesx]

The lack of physical/special split is a big advantage for Typhlosion in generation 2 since the elemental punches are still special-based. I think the same contest in generation 4 might turn out in favor of Charizard, albeit still being pretty close.

[@Shadowvanify]

I know it’s probably at least a year or two away, but I’m excited for when we start getting Gen 4 runs, seeing how the split affects strategies, move pools, and overall rankings of different Pokémon

[@snakeywakey3893]

Typhlosion will get Eruption in Gen IV which might help it hit really hard.

[@tabeebyeamin9986]

@@snakeywakey3893 Fire Blast + scope lens is a pretty good alternative that you can get pretty early in every gen 4 game

[@Evil_Befall]

and charizard has a double rock weakness to rock and got a electric weakness atop of the weakness it already has Compared to Typhlosion

[@TheMoogleKing93]

At Level 57, so not really.

[@mr.cauliflower3536]

also, non-volatile status conditions persist when a pokemon switches out (unless the pokemon with it has natural cure, but that's only in later gens)

[@matthewhicks8203]

I waited so long for this video and I was not disappointed. You played both so well and it was incredibly neck and neck. I am beyond ecstatic that my boy Typhlosion won and made it into S tier. Thanks for all your hard work and can't wait for the next one. P.s. Would love to see all three Johto starters do a back port playthrough of yellow version to see how they do in Kanto.

[@TJF588]

"And this is nice, because with my Rare Candies..." Good to hear a plan come together.

[@Medabee8]

19:54 - Incorrect. You can buy and use a Pokedoll to escape the Red Gyarados. The game acts as if you defeated it.

[@BobtheExile]

3:47 In the game's canon (he says it at least once, maybe two or three times), Falkner got his Pidgey and Pidgeotto from his dad. However he got the lvl9 Pidgeotto, it was probably his dad that caught it. He even says after you defeat him "Darn, my dad's cherished bird pokemon"

[@n64_kfp]

I thought Typhlosion would win, but didn't think it would be just this close. Really great runs by both! I am extra excited for the next video, though, as I'm partial to the water starters.

[@cadencenavigator958]

Aw, I like Flame Wheel. As someone who generally picks Cyndaquil, Flame Wheel is a really cool and fun move. Shame the elemental punch-out circuit is just better.

[@Burningtreeblood]

I bred a rattata with flame wheel because I thought that was awesome. Thank you gold/silver game guide. The only one I’ve ever had and I used the heck out of that thing! I bred everything!! And reread everything over and over and over again. Probably the reason why i have the type chart memorized even now

[@nozomi90]

I'm rooting for Typhlosion! despite it not really being super great, it's my favorite starter line. Silver was my fav game growing up and out of the many times I played most were starting with Cyndaquil.

[@charlessegale6493]

Another incredible set of runs. I had a feeling Charizard would run into more problems due to it's typing and not having quite the moveset diversity Typhlosion has. Once again, though, excellent job!

[@anni321]

When I took over my brothers GameBoy Color, I also took over his pokémon games - red and silver. I always played the fire starters, always. This felt really nostalgic, thank you.!

[@ReederMG]

Happy to see my boy Typhlosion. I have fond memories of playing Crystal as a kid and steamrolling through the league with him. With Flame Wheel, Earthquake, and Thunder punch, nothing even slowed him down until Lance. He's still one of my favorite starters to date, even though he's way worse in HG/SS because of the Special split and not getting Thunder Punch. And Charizard struggled exactly where I expected, Lance with his Gyarados and Aerodactyl. Rock Slide on a fast Mon is just devastating for him, and he didn't have an electric move to easily take out Gyarados. Absolutely LOVED this video!

[@Articision]

Awesome:) Did not expect thunderpunch to make that much of an impact. Looking forward to the water starters, my favourites!

[@kingcygnus]

I feel like at the end we need to make an adjustment to the S Tier. It’s clear that there’s a ton of really good Pokémon now, but I always feel like tier lists should follow a normal distribution. Maybe

[@kevinsips3658]

Wow, I'm honestly surprised the winner won, but I'm glad because I like that pokemon! Very good video Scott, thank you!

[@OmniPoe2]

I'm only at the first playthrough with charizard, but wouldn't flamethrower do more damage in the sun than return

[@Rex133TV]

Impressive performance by my boy Typhlosion! The Cyndaquil line has always been my favourite fire starter, my only negative against it is that I've always liked Quilava's design more than Typhlosion, but it is what it is. Looking forward to a Cyndaquil run some day! As I got older and learned about the various mechanics of the Pokémon games, I was always surprised that fire was a special type and not a physical type, though I'm not sure why. Could argue either way really!

[@Spudmay]

These have been awesome man! Absolutely love getting to see pokemon in a new light.

[@thomasbailey226]

The only possible other thing I could’ve thought for Blastoise and Charizard would have been to get the solar beam TM from route 27 and use it in combination with sunny day and see if that would want her Theo Blastoise but really good video and I am happy that typholysion won!

[@yorecf9641]

Charizard doesn’t get Solar Beam in Gen 2.

[@CelticGuardian7]

I haven't seen the three Kanto vs. video yet because I'm watching the solos playlist first and it isn't here. =P Loved seeing the name Sunflower after the hamster, that was super cute! I actually had a hamster that I named Tulip when I was a kid, so I empathize with the desire to name a hamster after a type of flower, haha.

[@Lucifers-Stepdad]

Very excited to watch this but still want to suggest that it might be better if the frontend of the overlay would reflect prospective damage ranges on secondary (and later) runs to remove human error when thinking about special vs physical. Lots of love.

[@Flatthew3333]

Typhlosion was my starter in my first game. The memories of my dear Volcano are coming back.

[@jptheflipper3825]

good Vs Scott, I liked this one a lot. it highlighted something interesting to me, you got 2 Fire Types with the same stats and growth rate and a fairly similar opening moveset, so results were practically all down to the 2nd typing on Charizard and the learnset throughout the play through. I knew Charizard wouldn't do as well in this one, if it still could have Swords Dance like in Gen 1 and then Gen 3 onward or had access to Thunder Punch, again like in later generations, I think it would of done the same or maybe slightly better it might of done better. I'd be interested in seeing Charizard in Crystal with its Egg Moves, especially Belly Drum.

[@Hex17alv]

This is currently my favorite KZbin series! I'm so excited to keep watching your content❤🎉

[@Submissive-Soul]

best poketuber on KZbin constantly pumping videos even tho he has less than 100k sub i really hope u get millions hopefully in 10 years youll be living in a mansion and have everything you need and want you deserve it buddy btw im out of hospital and im able to completely walk on my own can even do most stairs now gained 15 lbs was close to dying i wont forget the day of surgery i woke up and one of first things i did was watch one of your videos you just released

[@darkokat]

Hope you're doing better. As someone who had a major health issue I know how much it sucks. Be strong and keep watching good KZbin videos

[@leeeroyjenkins555]

Typloshion would certainly win if there was a young girl at the finish line

[@reddawn1873]

broooo noooooooo

[@theshankpain2228]

Wtf?

[@kurry8837]

Holy I’ve been a sun since you had 1k subs happy to see you at 60k man you deserve it

[@lordmcsmith]

Really impressed with how much Charizard improved between runs. I especially liked how you had the patience to eke out that first-time victory against Red in run 2. Nice race!

[@masterfy24]

21:50 Edit: I finished, and I am ALSO excited Ferligatr and Blastioise. Unrelated, but I have a few versus suggestions/ideas. 1. I want to see a battle between Magmar, Jynx, and Electabuzz in gen 1 (maybe gen 2 as well?) 2. I now want to see who will win? Pikachu vs. Eevee in Crystal. 3. I also want to see which Kanto Eeveelution comes out on top in Crystal, and how they compare to your Umbreon and Espeon results.

[@spino2106]

Love these videos, looking forward to the water starters. However I think you possibly could've lowered Charizards time with Hidden Power electric. You said yourself in the conclusion the it lacked the coverage against water types in comparison to Typhlosion with Thunder Punch. It would have been good in the league as well against the Xatus and while not as good as Hidden Power ice against Lance, it would've helped against the Aerodactyl and the Charizard and with the usage of the rare candies beforehand, Dragon Breath probably would've handled the Dragonites. And obviously against Blue's Gyarados and Red's Blastoise it would have been great as well.

[@Nelsathis]

I have a general question: Do you think there is something like a perfect speed base stat for this type of format? One per game of course. Im asking this myself since Jolteon who kind of has.. too much, considering that each stat is kind of a tradeoff for a different one, and there are only so many pokemon you can outspeed. In gen 1 that would be different because of the critical hit rate. But ultimately there seem about 5 pokemon that speedcheck you in the higher speed levels being Alakazam of Sabrina, Dugtrio and maybe persian of giovanni, gengar of agatha and aerodactyl of the champ. Maybe Arcanine of blane. And some fights like Raichu against surge you rarely outspeed anyway because there is not much stat experience yet and you are underleveled.. which rarely ever matters at all. So depending on how much you care about each of these it feels like more than .. maybe 80 speed base stat is wasted. I dont know as much about other regions yet ( not even this video so far, that comes down the line )

[@Brain-washed2]

13:31 how do you walk by the trainer by the cut tree you activate but don't fight?

[@skeetermania3202]

I noticed you’re defaulting to Return instead of using Flamethrower even when it’s obvious the latter is the better move. Could I ask why that is?

[@Apfeljunge666]

I wonder if Charizard could utilize Hidden power electric or grass and Dragonbreath to get through some of the tougher fights.

[@AlphaDal-if9vv]

Yeah same, at least with hidden power grass it will get a slight boost if he still uses sunny day to counter the rain dance.

[@jameswhite2308]

Grass moves don't get any buffs in sun

[@AlphaDal-if9vv]

@@jameswhite2308 nah? We’ll never mind then haha

[@tomc.5704]

25:20 Isn't Thunderwave "super-effective"? Or perhaps the AI sees that Ice Beam is super-effective against Charizard's flying type. And the Foretress would have come out against Typhlosion because Spikes is ground type.

[@giacomoalessandrodeluca]

Great video Scott. Can't wait for the water starters brawl

[@SonJouten]

So why are you showing Tackle and Scratch being equal while telling everyone they are not?

[@JayHankEdLyon]

Why use the Pink Bow from the early route instead of the one that's more on the way in Radio Tower? Are there are battles where the Normal boost matters before then?

[@parkermacinnis3977]

You're on fire with these videos!

[@lavitzdies624]

Scott youre the best thanks for the content man

[@bigkirbyhj666]

Honestly these play throughs makes me wonder what it'd be like if you back porrted the starters and did a race with in gen 1 with something more like a gen two move set.

[@najxoslamp2963]

I'm wondering if hidden power electric and dragon breath would have shaved off time. Sure Lance would be less consistent, but red and blue would be easier.

[@kode-man23]

Dropping some knowledge on the different types of status conditions. I knew that confusion was different because it didn't persist outside of battle, but I didn't know what it was called in relation to the others.

[@UnknownVir]

I'm curious about designing a script for tier lists... where do you get the assets that you use for it?

[@jmobraz]

Yesterday I was thinking while doing de dishes: "I miss Scotts content..." Hahaha. Maybe I should consume then slowly 😂. Just start watching and, off course, loving it. Thx Scott. U ar helping a community to sustain the love of pokemon game lovers

[@sigidisos9230]

Pidgey should NEVER use Mudslap here since it is 20×2=40 power and Tackle is 35×1.5=53 or am I wrong?

[@alexkulis7295]

Do you think hidden power electric would have been a boon to charizard for opponents like gyarados and blastoise? I realize you give up some power with hp ice against dragon types, but it seems like the water types were slightly more problematic that I’m curious if hp electric would have smoothed that out.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

HP electric tanks the HP DV makes Clair and Lance less consistent and Blue’s Gyarados isn’t really a threat. It might help against Red’s Blastoise but I already had the sunny day strat for that, so I didn’t think it was a good choice.

[@alexkulis7295]

@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon thank you for the insight. Keep up the good work. I’ve been really enjoying your content.

[@JaharNarishma]

I really like the attitude to mistakes and optimisations that are pointed out in the comments. It sounds like "Yup, I made an oopsie." Nothing big, but it is adressed. Example, the Sprout Tower referenced repeatedly.

[@andytaker3073]

Why is Flamethrower super effective on a Water/Water and Rock type?

[@richarddill692]

33:35 You sure Dragonite resists Electric, there, Scott?

[@Hayateknight123]

I am pick Typhlosion basically because of thunder punch and lacking the flying type. Charizard has the same abysmal matchup vs Lance that Ho-oh had without the massive attack to help out. One has half of Lance’s team to worry about while the other has basically return for the entire team. Unless Typhlosion loses so much time elsewhere which I don’t really see I doubt Charizard in the first playthrough can pull it off.

[@timjones7009]

Agreed. Pretty sure everyone has beaten gen 2 with just typlosion and a water pokemon

[@TripleShizzle]

Impressive that they were so close together! Great runs

[@Daysiecutter]

I am still wondering why you didn't give Charizard hidden power electric, is it a stat issue or would it not help as much as I think it would?

[@ayayumi6111]

I am the absolute biggest Typhlosion fan, and I went into this video expecting the worst. Over the moon to see my little fire badger do so well against arguably the most popular fire starter. 🥰

[@loudwhispre9406]

31:40 Use Thunder Punch?? Also, Feraligatr is the speedrunning Pokemon for Johto thanks to Rage. They have to use Totodile vs Falkner and Croconaw vs Bugsy, so they can't steamroll with a fully evolved Pokemon, and Rage is broken in Gen 2. Rage stacks in power going from 1x to 2x to 3x and so on until it's at 255x power whenever you click Rage, even if you miss. It's absolutely broken and you should remember it for Feraligatr if there are fights with multiple Pokemon he can't oneshot back to back, because by the 3rd or 4th Pokemon in that fight, Rage could likely OHKO everything that's left. Obviously max friendship Return outdamages Rage since Rage starts at 20 power and Return is 102 power, but Feraligatr *_starts_* with Rage.

[@ScottE-2]

I'm going to guess Charizard will win this one because of just how soon he gets Flamethrower and a slightly more diverse move pool. However, Typhosion gets access to Thunder Punch to deal with water types and Rollout to deal with fire types. Honestly, Typhlosion has the home turf advantage. But if this were re-calculated with egg moves, Charizard would probably steamroll through the game rather quickly with Rock Slide and Bite to deal with Gastly rather quickly. Time will tell how these two ferocious flaming beasts will fair in a race against time and two entire regions of Pokémon. Edit: The end result is still quite interesting with how evenly matched both of them are. With Typhlosion having the advantage of thunder punch and hidden power ice. It is nutty just how reliant Pokemon are in gen 2 having access to both ice and electric coverage.

[@niki75]

There's a reason "Boltbeam" is such a hallowed combo in Pokemon

[@IngarsBuliņš]

Couldn't the move Curse help Charizard out?

[@michaelfreeman3189]

Clicked this video just to figure out how long it took you to mention that Charizard and Typhlosion have the exact same base total. You did not disappoint. I don't know why that fact lives in my brain rent free though.

[@JJ-qo7th]

Base stats are identical. Typhlosion may have trouble in the first gym. Charizard may have trouble in the...third? The one with the rolling cow. Lance's Aerodactyl needs to go down in one hit or the quadruple-effective Rock Slide is going to wreck Charizard. Poliwrath may give some trouble to Typhlosion, while Charizard may have Wing Attack by then. On balance I think Typhlosion barely takes it, but I'm rooting for Charizard. Pokemon Red was my first game in the franchise.

[@zenitfan4life]

I agree with your assessment and prediction. Small note, Typhlosion will have Thunderpunch for Poliwrath, and can also take advantage of it in Pryce's gym and potentially for Kingdra.

[@veghesther3204]

About that Milktank is a PITA to fight if you don't kill her in 1 hit using ANY Pokemon including your OWN Milktank if you were do a Milktank only run.

[@zenitfan4life]

@@veghesther3204 it can get out of control quickly, but not for the first two turns because it's not rock type and rpllput takes a while to build up. So aasumin you're outspeeding, a 3 hit should be fine.

[@veghesther3204]

Well in the Gen 2 games I could have Rollout 1 shot 6x LV 30 Pokemon instantly including Quilava itself if you don't beat it in 1 attack but in Crystal you actually would need to put it to sleep/Paralyze it twice due to its held item that cures that effect though Charizard/Typlosion don't really have a easy way to cause those effects to begin with. it also doesn't help that MOST Starters will be MALE and Milktank will use Attract IF possible.

[@MichaelSotoCE]

I really think you were misplaying on the Red fight, for example using return on snorlax when sunny day was still up. In fact, im pretty sure sunny day boosted flamethrower would actually do more damage to Blastoise than return, Blastoise has similar defenses but Charizard's SPA is like 250ish compared to its 200 attack. Maybe you can do a quick follow up video? Or maybe after you finish with all 6 starters you can do an addendum video. This race was just too close for comfort and i think we need to get scientific and careful with this run 😅

[@darkshot4424]

Awesome video, i thought charizard would win but i was rooting for typlosion (cyndaquil is my favorite pokemon) so i was shocked and happy to see how close it is.

[@shanoc5902]

Really fun video! I suspect that if you were to redo this race in Yellow version (with a back-ported Typhlosion) Charizard would win due to the prevalence of ground types and Earthquake, making the flying type a much stronger asset and without a Thunder punch TM Typhlosion wouldn't quite have the coverage advantage against Charizard. Still, it was very nice to see my favorite starter evolution line do well!

[@TheLeviathan1293]

40:50 I don't think there will be a noticeable difference after this point in favor of Charizard. Now Typhlosion will have flamethrower. In favor of Typhlosion though... I don't think there is a big chance for that, still. Besides maybe a potential Charizard reset vs. Rhydon or struggling vs. Blastoise.

[@Michaelshmeck]

I think Charizard would have done better with Hidden Power Electric? Charizard already has Dragon Pulse for Claire and Lance's dragons and Hidden Power Electric could have dealt with the bulky late game water types such as Gyrados and Blastoise.

[@mr.cauliflower3536]

16:30 Um akshually you'd do considerably more damage, since the magnemite has less spdef than defense, plus you've got a bit more special attack than attack

[@adventureoflinkmk2]

I always thought it weird that a Pokémon learns a move its weak against.. like seriously doesnt digging underground harm a capable fire Pokémon lol

[@coinneachXO]

Can we have a fatal three way starter fight for Gen3 ?

[@mariogorgees3489]

after the Kanto vs Johto starters videos maybe you can eek out an extra video doing Bellossom vs Vileplume (another Kanto vs Johto but with Gloom Evolutions)

[@shadowtitanx3962]

Overall, Fire type is much better in Johto (Gen 2) than in Kanto, since they do not have many struggles as they do in Kanto (Gen 1), like Lorelei's Lapras, Lance's Gyarados, Yellow Giovanni, Misty, and Champion's Sandslash and Cloyster, relying on STAB Fire Blast for those that learn Flamethrower late or cannot learn Flamethrower, like Arcanine and Moltres, having move puddles for some, like Flareon and even Moltres, and having very middling Special for most Fire types except for Ninetales, Flareon, and Moltres. In Johto, they resist Ice, have better Special Attack than in Gen 1 except for Ninetales (Nerf), Moltres (Same), Rapidash (Same), and Flareon (Nerf), have better access to Flamethrower at slightly earlier levels for some Fire types, and their weaknesses are not as problematic or exploitable as they were in Gen 1 other than Water types. There's not a lot of Earthquake or Rock Slide users in Gen 2 compare to later Gens, where teams have far better diverse movesets. The matchups in Johto are way better for Fire types than Grass types, since Fire hits at least neutral or Super Effective against everyone but Clair and Lance. As for the runs themselves, coverage is the name of the game for Typhlosion. Thunder Punch is the main thing it has over Charizard's Flying type. Thunder Punch really helps against Water types, allowing it to run Hidden Power Ice for Lance. And, there's no major trainer that uses a Water/Ground type until Gen 3, where Hidden Power Grass would be an option for Fire types. Charizard not having Thunder Punch hurts, since it would have to choose either HP Electric for the Water types or HP Ice for the Dragonites. Still, both of them have a very good time for Johto thanks to their overall matchups in Johto. I wonder how will the Water starters fare. Water is a consistently excellent type throughout the series.

[@andreapareti324]

23:01 as a Feraligatr fan, hearing this makes me really happy 😁

[@Red-jq6bw]

Watching the first run with Charizard, i thought Solarbeam could've solved the problem with Blastoise, but i think the TM for Solarbeam is only in the gen 4 remakes

[@AlphaDal-if9vv]

You are correct in the sense that Charizard can only be taught solar beam via tm until gen 4 and onward.

[@mrb692]

27:18 I’m only saying this because I know how much polish you like to give your videos, I think it’d be neat if the trainers and their aces dropped on the beat. Basically split Will/Xatu and Koga/Crobat like you do with Bruno, Machamo, Karen, and Houndoom. Also, I was today years old when autocorrect revealed the pun behind Crobat’s name: acrobat. Which, in hindsight, probably explains it’s ludicrous speed stat.

[@KainaX122]

It appears that the endgame demonstrated REALLY well the importance of move pools. That coverage from Thunderpunch seems to have given Typhlosion a HUGE advantage

[@765craven4]

It's kind of wild that Charizard isn't compatible with Thunder Punch in Gen 2 but is in the remakes. He got it in Platinum and has been compatible with it since.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Maybe they realized how badly he needs it!

[@GabryelFile]

Great video. One question does Charizard and Typhlosion have the same IVs?

[@tanorokq5657]

Where do you get the tm for return?

[@arthurviana3957]

I'm excited for your 6th generation butterfly battle: butterfree vs beautifly vs vivillon coming soon several years from now.

[@lewiscarter5575]

Hi Scott, question on the 25% debuff to opponent status accuracy: What does that do to the total accuracy of a move like hypnosis? Does it set it to 75% therefore buffing it, deduct 25% in addition to its normal accuracy or does it only debuff down to 75% if the accuracy is already higher? Thanks for the content!

[@kevinkozerski759]

Curious why you didn't use Hidden Power Rock for charizard. Feel like it would've made a difference against Lance and Red against their Charizards. Was it to do with the DVs or to keep the moves similar

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Wanted a special move to leverage it higher special attack and in general Hp Ice has more utility throughout the playthrough. For example, Clair is quite a bit sketchier without it.

[@Blulo62380]

Wouldn't Charizard be more consisent with hp electric instead?🤔 That would take better care of Gyarados, Blastoise, Red's Charizard and Aeodactyl

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

The Dragonite’s with Thunder Wave need an answer or resets will happen on Lance. The Gyarados isn’t that bad because of its love for spamming Rain Dance. Plus HP Electric tanks the HP DV

[@wmzer0mw]

ehh, wait, would charizard still win that fight if he didnt crit the espeon?

[@TheMoogleKing93]

Your Gen 2 Overlay appears to not be showing the effect from Sun and Rain in Fire (and presumably Water) moves, just a heads up. Flamethrower would have knocked out the Blastoise in the first fight with Sunny Day because of it.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Hmm, it should be. I’ll have to look into that.

[@jaryant]

Is Butterfree vs beedrill after the starters

[@BloodfelX]

First impressions mid-first playthrough: Rest seems like it will help with Lance for both Charizard and Typhlosion. Also, why was Dragonbreath 67 base power for Charizard? ^_^"

[@TheLeviathan1293]

48:10 Charizard needs to gain time in Johto, because after that it's just advantages to Typhlosion.

[@Shenaldrac]

I wonder if HP Rock might have been better than Ice for Charizard. It would help out against the Gyaradoses (Gyaradi?) and Charizards in the E4 and Blue/Red while still being effective against the Dragonites. Guess it depends if you'd still have OHKO against the first couple Dragonites in Lance's team to keep you from getting paralyzed.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Interesting idea! One thing: it doesn’t help against Clair’s Dragonairs. Which are more of a threat than they are with Typhlosion.

[@Shenaldrac]

@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Hmmm. I ended up watching this vid over two separate sessions a week or so apart so I can't remember how challenging Claire is and what's needed to take her on :B The only thing I can think of off the top of my head would be using a rare candy or two early if that gets you over a damage threshold. But maybe HP Rock just isn't viable over Ice after all.

[@TheLeviathan1293]

1:02:35 Celebi new Venomoth?