How WAKANDA FOREVER Sets Up Marvel Phase 5 and Thunderbolts

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Black Panther: Wakanda Forever is the culminating event of Phase 4--and it sets up numerous stories for the Marvel Cinematic Universe's Phase 5. We explain how the movie sets up Captain America: New World Order, The Thunderbolts, Black Panther 3, Young Avengers, Avengers: Kang Dynasty, Avengers: Secret Wars, and the Wakanda spinoff series.
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[@ChewyRocksandiscute]

nobody is gonna buy this shit.

[@cweb1594]

Can you put up a link for that audiobook you mentioned that covers the timeline from civil war to infinity please?? I couldn’t find it.

[@JohnLaw3742]

Are these audiobooks MCU canon?

[@tevinjefferson2331]

Thankx for this, l love to see hard-core MCU fans express themselves 👍👍👍

[@jerkfacejerk3551]

I had no idea mcu had books, I've been wasting my credits on star wars

[@dellcoc]

Someone needs to let M'Baku know that he is going to be the Steward of Wakanda for about 15 years instead of King. His face will be priceless when he finds out about T'Challa.

[@kelvinb16]

When he finds out about some bastard who was raised in Haiti 😂 they'll probably retcon a secret marriage or make it no big deal that the kid didn't even grow up in wakanda. Somehow he'll also have tchallas accent even though he speaks French 😂

[@dellcoc]

@@kelvinb16 They don't have a bastard society in Wakanda so that doesn't matter. The people will be excited to see the king's offspring, especially with someone as well respected as Nakia.

[@kelvinb16]

@@dellcoc yeah I'm sure they will be because marvel is for kids

[@dellcoc]

@@kelvinb16 What are you, 12?

[@rogerroger5171]

@kelvinb16 exactly, no one outside his family, loved T'challa as much as M'Baku. It's clear that he challenged for the thrown on the behest of Shuri. M'Baku would remain king until the situation is right for a change(which the story will present).

[@cher43615]

I’m thinking since M’Baku arrived to the challenge ceremony on Shuri’s ship, him and Shuri probably made an agreement that he’s going to be more like King Regent, where he will rule on behalf of Shuri. So if it ever comes a time that Shuri or Tchalla Jr. needs to take back the throne, M’Baku will just yield. M’Baku made a promise to T’Challa before his death that he will take care of Shuri so I can see something like this happening.

[@paullukis3315]

Hot take: After Wakanda is attacked & flooded, Zemo escaped. The Thunderbolts are used as a covert force to find and return him to prison, in either a UN Prison or a Wakandan. Bucky forces his way on the team as a way to make amends to Wakanda.

[@ligh7ningx7]

'The Doug' abides.

[@alexanderhardy3354]

Zimo is on the raft not in Wakanda how does he escape

[@andrewshandle]

Zemo is in the Raft, that'd be a hell of a flood. :)

[@CaptainPikeachu]

Zemo is on the raft, he’s not in Wakanda

[@dylans9390]

No Wakandas on the raft, it’s not in Zemo

[@CaptainPikeachu]

With all the talk about destabilization, let’s also not forget this is what each member of the current Thunderbolts lineup have in common. Each of them have been used by their various governments/organizations to destabilize their enemies - Bucky for Hydra, Ghost for SHIELD, Walker for the US, and Yelena and Red Guardian and Taskmaster for the Red Room/Russia. This team is not gathered to fight some huge big threat, this is a team designed for destabilization.

[@andrewshandle]

Zemo is not in a Wakandan prison, he's in the Raft.

[@rethablair6902]

Yes Thank U

[@real_abiola]

That’s what I thought.

[@BlackFlash7]

What's "the Raft"?

[@real_abiola]

@@BlackFlash7 that’s the prison for superheroes who broke the law or went against the government.

[@rethablair6902]

@@BlackFlash7 the prison that was shown in civil war where ant- man ,sam and zemo where when iron man went to visit at the end before Steve broke them out

[@johnnytee911]

There is NO WAY In hell Bucky goes against Wakanda .

[@abandonmarkspeare5213]

We'll see

[@tiago9977]

14:23 I'm pretty sure the finale of F&TWS showed us that the Dora Milaje acc took Zemo to the Raft, not Wakanda.

[@johngarynavida]

Shoutout to the late great Powers Boothe. Always loved his performances. And CATWS is still my favorite MCU movie.

[@amf0078]

Malick was a dope character.

[@eobardthawne5246]

Me too, Winter Soldier is the MCU gold standard.

[@raydrexler5868]

Does anyone have a different one?

[@JayFingers]

Eh. I don’t think M’Baku has any ill feelings toward Shuri. Instead, I think it’s likely he “challenged” for the throne with her blessing. And he doesn’t seem the rash, hotheaded type to recklessly attack an outside power.

[@dmangq]

Remember she asked him for a favor, being king, was it.

[@SwagEverlasting]

He's like a big brother figure

[@sunnybear178]

A blessing doesn't mean anything when it comes to politics. If M'Baku feels that his people are tired of being beaten and kicked down from all sides then it won't matter what Shuri wants. And like he said, Shuri won't have any way to beat him to get the throne back.

[@dmangq]

@@sunnybear178 honestly I think it was more for a plot device. Remember anyone could challenge her for the throne. Not saying she is not a strong person, but she would have fought them without her powers. M'Baku could have taken it with or without her giving it to him. IMO

[@BEASTKINGBAKU]

Mbaku acts literally like a big uncle and I personally see him more preparing young T’Challa for the throne rather than challenge. He is grown in the last 5-6 years.

[@Josh_Noble]

@ 20:31 "But it's really fun to speculate." That's the magic, that's what has kept Comics fans in line at the comics shop month after month, issue to issue, for all these decades. It's what keeps MCU fans going movie to movie, year after year. And its why we hit subscribe and click the bell. Imaginations sparking other imaginations, i love it, and i love SC. Keep up the great work!

[@MinotaurST87]

I think it would be cool that once the World War happens, Loki will be able to get back to the MCU timeline and will try to warn everyone about Kang, but only to find out that the world its destroyed and devided, and Earth's to weak to resist against Kang.

[@ryanparker4996]

And they all turn on him anyway because he's Loki and who the fuck would believe him except Thor?

[@brendaspence1824]

@@ryanparker4996 and then comes Thor happy to see his bro and take his side 😃

[@alexmorgan417]

This is going to be exactly how it happens…so accurate there should’ve been a spoiler warning for phase 5 & 6

[@dquest007]

I'll watch the movies but it's not necessary now.

[@Linator4]

I was thinking after Secret Invasion, either Val & Thunderbolt Ross will take over the government & the DODC as political figures like Norman Osborn in the comics. Harrison Ford would make a great antagonistic President & Red Hulk. They’ll target Skrulls & Mutants (such as Namor), possibly even launching the Sentinel Program. I think they’ll start Siege on Wakanda instead of New Asgard & that forces the Avengers and Talokan to get involved. They may end up outcasting the Avengers (the dead Celestial from Eternals would make a good secret hideout) and replacing them with their own Thunderbolts team. Dark Reign could be the Civil War-like event before Kang Dynasty forces everyone to put their differences aside again.

[@nyceplayz8051]

Ryan and Doug are one of the strongest acts I've seen on KZbin.

[@renatafnedab3003]

“ Who run the world? Earth 🌍 “ . That will live rent free in my mind now 😂❤❤❤

[@isaacyarrell607]

The What If episode with Killmonger saving Tony needs a re-watch.

[@abandonmarkspeare5213]

I remember the scene when Namor show up the first time in front of Shuri and Ramonda,and he give (I dunno the name is) to them if they manage to catch Riri Williams. My theory is when the group of Thunderbolts attacking Wakanda in last moment...shuri will use that thing to call Namor and All the Talocan's Army

[@JayFingers]

It’s called a conch shell, and that’d be a pretty dope callback if it happens that way.

[@OdemGee]

Plus it sets up a good time to push for a regime change because there will already be tension with Shuri being anti tradition, even in the first black panther m'baku brings up about how Shuri mocks Wakandas traditions. So the tribes will already have issues about her being Queen and Black Panther when she doesn't even believe in their Gods or their traditions.

[@syreetasmiles4161]

Ramonda used it to call him to the beach when she thought he kidnapped Shuri. I think he may have taken it back in that scene, but I could be wrong.

[@JayFingers]

@@OdemGee Shuri isn’t queen tho. M’Baku is king (or at least, king regent). But there will def be political tension when it’s revealed that T’Challa had a son.

[@JayFingers]

@@OdemGee Also: The whole movie is about Shuri reconciling her feelings about Wakandan tradition. She has learned to connect both her technological ways and the traditional spiritual ways. The burning of her funeral garb at the end signifies that she’s embraced the things Ramonda was trying to teach her.

[@DarthJarJarTheGodlike]

Honestly, I see Wakanda and Talocan vs the world and not sure where New Asgard is. I think the Thunderbolts might start off attacking New Asgard, as most of their superhumans are immobilized and their armies are gone. I don't think New Asgard will play a huge role in this arc but it would be cool if Valkyrie led New Asgard on a smaller mission against the US or Europe. The interesting thing is how the rest of the world responds. Continents like Asia, South America, Africa, and Australia. I think Shuri would initally turn to Namor for help and he blows things way out of proportion. It would be really interesting for Wakanda to decide the outcome of this war, with Talocan mostly evenly mstched against the world and Shuri has to decide to side with Namor or the US. and then Kang comes in, destroys the multiverse, and makes BattleWorld.

[@abandonmarkspeare5213]

Jezz cannot wait

[@munisapulatova5490]

GOOSE-fucking-BUMPS I mean not saying that everything you said here might be true, but seeing it all play out on the screen would be fantastic

[@VAustin89]

would be fun to see the full might of Talokan, Wakanda and new Asgard against the puny humans.. haha

[@thembanitheone]

I really like how Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes built up the Secret Invasion storyline and then dealt with its aftermath. The Skrulls slowly replaced people with doppelgangers forcing Nick Fury into hiding, Dr. Doom kind of clued in Iron Man to what was happening and when they do launch the invasion they use the trust that the public has in Steve Rogers to coax a peaceful surrender from Earth. After the Skrull threat is defeated, and even though propaganda-Cap was clearly an alien imposter public perception of Captain America remains that of a traitor to Earth and the human race. Not an ideal situation but Steve being Steve uses this time of adversity as a huge teaching moment to mentor Spidey on how to deal with people like J. Jonah Jameson while still fighting the good fight.

[@cassiel1424]

I just can't imagine Bucky working to attack Wakanda...:/ i dont know

[@BEASTKINGBAKU]

Rather being a double agent for Wakanda

[@kingspydamann1]

16:45 They actually took Zemo to The Raft.

[@gr8tbigtreehugger]

"MCU Completionist" sounds much better than "MCU obsessed". Also, make Wakanda safe for democracy!

[@PrincessToyNerd]

IMO, democracy has no place in Wakanda 14:54

[@AndrewUchiha4747]

0:50 WOW! I never thought to split them up like that before. That’s amazing. That’s actually going to help me keep this franchise organized now. Thanks

[@robertschaum2719]

I think Wakanda Forever missed an opportunity to have post credit scene introduce the Leader as the professor who challenged IronHeart to make the Vibramium detectors

[@HolyFieldM5]

Maybe it tied into her series wit the hood and mephisto

[@meeyatch69]

I'm pretty sure this guy is blinking "Help Me" in morse code. I think the dog is holding him prisoner.

[@nicholasgarrick8855]

Thank for another amazing video as always ryan.

[@mrr3ye5]

It’s crazy how you dig down on these! So awesome!

[@existencedesign7369]

The more I watch Ryan talk about these theory the more I hype

[@bigdabz7105]

When Namor talked about his army I thought he was talking about the ocean as a whole not just his people there are plenty of fish in the sea

[@geoffwalker9210]

I think thunderbolts is going to have the team going after villain groups like remaining hydra cells and maybe even some form of AIM trying to keep weapons away from them, and it will slowly ramp up until the team is sent against a Wakanda outpost or even the country itself, Bucky goes "wait, what?" and that splits the team, I feel like Walker would have a "good soldiers follow orders" kind of thinking, and probably ghost as well. Yelena has already been shown to have way to much chemestry with Kate to be put on the villain side, and where she goes, Red Guardian goes.

[@tejshib3161]

No mabye valentina

[@JayFingers]

Why would Ghost have a “good soldier” mentality? Nothing we’ve seen so far suggests that.

[@torimacdonald9223]

Another fun video! Love the speculations!

[@RandomNerdAntics]

A version of this MCU that you may be predicting is going to happen regardless or you can say in the Multiverse of madness you are right,🎉❤ screen crush rules

[@ThunderBlastvideo]

all the government stuff in the MCU has been pretty dry lately. Pretty cool that its coming back in phase 5

[@joselmunoz]

Don’t forget Yelena was hired ultimately by Kate Bishop’s mother, who was working for the Kingpin by that time. So there’s clearly a relation between Valentina and Wilson Fisk. He has definitely a part to play in all this upcoming plot

[@nicholasgarrick8855]

Can't wait!!! Phase 5 is going to be good😆

[@TheDestroyer73]

Hopefully....if theres no delays and marvel gets their shit together it can be a good phase

[@jeffreycarman2185]

I always enjoy your videos.

[@pragmaticj7983]

I love your theories!

[@williamrosswhite]

Love this channel

[@teddytaylor9984]

At the end of TFATWS Bucky finished his book

[@Jdavid123]

I will not be surprised if black Panther 3 will be the next movie after the thunderbolts

[@hahajenkins]

Dude, his ideas are so damn cool for real. He can join the blunt rotation

[@AndrewUchiha4747]

20:15 Kang waiting for a universe to weaken and divide itself before fully taking over is a God-tier strategy…

[@americanpaisareturns9051]

That after credit scene caught me off guard

[@EscravaAnastacia]

"Who runs the world.... Earth." 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@BretMuckdogs]

Thanks Ryan!

[@ilikebach8562]

All amazing videos but can we acknowledge how often this guy posts for us??? lots of love❤❤

[@thedarklennialsz8120]

I really hope Marvel are listening to you, love the analysis dude

[@travisschoultz1263]

Loved the Lebowski reference at 16:00 😂

[@claytonwilliam7801]

Keep your little companion contributing. Nice touch.

[@johnchism3705]

Doctor Doom may also make his appearance in Phase 5, so he might be a member of the New World Order, and Ross will ally with him in World War 3. The Thunderbolts movie may actually be an adaptation of Doomwars. I think Ross would see New Asgard as a threat because they’re de facto super humans. So the sides could be (US, Latveria, and any country that signed the Sokovian Accords) vs (Wakanda, Talokan, Kamar-Taj, and New Asgard). The first half of the movie would be about the team carrying out the destabilization. The rest would be them realizing their mistake and joining with the Avengers team Wong is forming. They win, but the world is too divided to win against Kang. Until Wanda comes in. Nexus being versus Nexus being. Then Wanda does something, or doesn’t do something that causes the destruction of the Multiverse. Reed gets everyone on the Ark. And Doom creates Battleworld.

[@sisis-qt4oc]

This sucks lol

[@shmuelrach2451]

Amazing video

[@alisterfolson]

SC: unveils a new map epic in proportion for MCU Fans: don't give us hope

[@oussamarafouk5349]

great theory 😄😁, you really need to be hired as a writer for marvel !

[@geigertron3000]

still loving the high five btw!🤣

[@clags2006]

Wow that breakdown was awesome I gotta go back and watch some disney+ content

[@shaunjamesbryan2032]

great fun. I wish you were writing the movies! my memory of Zemo is that, illogical as it was, considering Wakanda's rightful claim on his head, is that he ended up on the Ark. Someone like Zemo could escape the Ark on a whim.

[@tiago9977]

I can't imagine the Thunderbolts fight against Wakanda tbh, especially Yelena & Bucky

[@HolyFieldM5]

New Asgard??? But wait why would they attack new Asgard dnt make sense sorry

[@saturncrush]

I can not wait until the street level becomes the focus.

[@guillermomonroy7319]

So happy to see your dog! 😄

[@zekrom916]

Val didnt earn Yelena's loyalty. Yelena found out Val was lying and that Hawkeye was innocent

[@mrtiggar]

W'Kabi is not in jail, he is somewhere hiding out

[@santhegemini]

if the mcu was leading to a ww3 involving wakanda, talokan, the us, and new asguard that alone would be endgame levels of exciting

[@abandonmarkspeare5213]

Maybe new asgard not...I don't even see the built up for this nation

[@joshuam.6027]

@@abandonmarkspeare5213 i feel like new asgard will be switzerland, neutral.

[@ortiz89]

lol im dying at the Beyoncé reference with "who runs this woorrld earth." haha you make good videos and your dog rocks!

[@catgurl7947]

I am loving the theories you came up with. Wakanda Forever did set up so much. I would love to know your thoughts on How do you think Val became CIA Director

[@aaditchaudhary5067]

Thunderbolts is basically Black Widow 2.

[@SpyJamz]

Tired of the recast T Challa movement. They already showed that T Challa will live on through his son. They won't "recast" T Challa until they reboot in the next 15-20 years.

[@marvelouspacks35]

The black panther is a mantle

[@thembanitheone]

@@marvelouspacks35 yes yes we know Black Panther is a mantle. But T'Challa son of T'Chaka, King of the Dead, Avenger, royal warrior scientist is not a mantle. Batman is also a mantle... but Bruce Wayne is not.

[@SpyJamz]

@@thembanitheone Has there been an actor that was actively playing Bruce Wayne that died in between movies?

[@thembanitheone]

@@SpyJamz truth is a large section of people were going to be upset with whatever choice they made, even if you left it to a coinflip the losing side was going to be very vocal about their discontent. I for one didn't understand the voyeuristic pleasure people received by watching other people grieve the real life loss of their friend and colleague for 2 whole hours, acting like that was enhancing the portrayal of the fictional characters mourning their king. Should have kept it professional, separated real life from escapist fantasy and kept the story alive with another talented actor in the role. But I respect the courage they had in choosing to even make the movie at all in the way they thought was best.

[@kelvinb16]

@@thembanitheone nobody would go see a movie where Bruce Waynes sister becomes batman and meets catwoman in an after credit and she introduces her to Bruce Jr. We'd laugh our asses off at that 😂 they should have just waited a couple more years and did a reboot or a recast by using some multiverse bullshit during secret wars

[@danielhenderson3753]

So when are you getting hired on as a Marvel writer? You OWN this topic, Ryan (and Doug).

[@korymulanax3362]

Omfg....that Big Lebowski reference 😘🤌

[@phatmantv]

"Who rules the world? Villians!" That tiny dog is smarter than most of this channels viewers.

[@theorycraftingmachine2876]

Blade is actually the final movie of Phase 5!!!

[@lightsoutmedia7370]

When namor said that blades of grass line I said oh shit no one has a chance

[@anthonyufert8477]

I’m thinking Ross is VP & when the President dies in Captain America 4 he’ll then become the new President. Giving him all the authority he needs to complete his tasks.

[@Linator4]

I was thinking after Secret Invasion, either Val or Thunderbolt Ross will take over the government & the DODC as a political figure like Norman Osborn in the comics. They’ll target Skrulls & Mutants (such as Namor), possibly even launching the Sentinel Program. I think they’ll start Siege on Wakanda instead of New Asgard & that forces the Avengers and Talokan to get involved. They may end up outcasting the Avengers (the dead Celestial from Eternals would make a good secret hideout) and replacing them with their own Thunderbolts team. Dark Reign could be the Civil War-like event before Kang Dynasty forces everyone to put their differences aside again. This could be the Earth-level threat (for Cap, She-Hulk, War Machine, Ant-Man, Shang-Chi, Black Panther, Hawkeye, Sersi, Vision, Torres’ Falcon etc). Galactus could be a cosmic issue (Thor, GOTG, The Marvels, F4, Hulk, Eternals, Nova, Adam Warlock etc). Kingpin could be a street-level problem for the Heroes for Hire (Spidey, Kate, Echo, DD, Jessica Jones, Punisher, Luke Cage, Iron Fist etc). Mephisto or the Scarlet Witch could be a mystical/supernatural villain to the Midnight Sons (Wong, Blade, Moon Knight, Elsa Bloodstone, Black Knight, Man-Thing, Agatha Harkness, Werewolf By Night, Magik, Ghost Rider, Nightcrawler etc). Kang or Doom will be the ultimate villain of the Multiverse Saga. I imagine we go into the Mutant Saga next and Wanda, Apocalypse, or Dark Phoenix would be the perfect villain to end Phase 10 (X).

[@theedd1366]

Your dog is so cute ❤️

[@LiusNation]

I dunno, but the painting Namor was working on, plus his ideals, give me a vibe of there possibly being a Civil War 2 movie.

[@aaronmercier951]

Damn that would be kinda dope actually

[@clarissanavarro2762]

I love doug!!!. "Vladimir Lenin." "I am the walrus."

[@ryanstauffer119]

I somewhat agree that they could’ve retired Ross with his actor now having passed away, but I am glad he’s coming back so we can get Red Hulk. In addition, I hope we eventually see Red She Hulk.

[@gingirylego]

Marvel theorists: ok we need to predict what happens next Marvel theorists after watching a new movie then is nothing related to their planning : scrap that we plan this again Then it keeps going on and on

[@PiercingMaDmAn]

Your videos rock!

[@xavestron]

kinda interesting plot there bud, really hype me up for sure!

[@Nico12420]

I wonder if the main Kang by the end of Kang Dynasty will be called Beyonder therefore merging two characters into one but Beyonder is just like a title like Mad Titan for Thanos!!!

[@chaff5]

I don't think Zemo will become part of the Thunberbolts. He's very much against all forms of super soldiers so working with a team that has a few of them on the roster is a no-no for him. I think he's going to be a wildcard and form his own anti-super hero team. He only worked with Bucky and Sam because they freed him.

[@bandigustin1038]

If the team's first mission is to steal vibranium from Wakanda, how will Bucky react?

[@catfdljws]

There's more the Thunderbolts line-up than just "they owe Val" - dr), half of them under someone else's mind control at some point (Yelena, Taskmaster, Bucky), and two of the others were rejected by their respective societies (Walker and Guardian). That leaves Ghost who is just too young and naive to know what's going on. But that reveals that all 6 of them are vulnerable to skilled manipulation. They're all gullible. They don't "owe" Val. Some are convinced they do, the others will be manipulated in a different way. She's skilled enough in her manipulations to use the right tool for the job for each of them.

[@BrianPellerin]

Sad that we didn’t get to see Zemo in Wakanda Forever. Even just 3 seconds of him panicking during the flood

[@MusicLover-my6fo]

I still think Doctor Doom and his variants will kill Kang themselves in The Kang Dynasty before taking the powers of the Beyonder in Secret Wars.

[@gjcart26]

I love it.

[@cozycribcafe]

i can agree but Bucky is also called the white wolf!!!

[@beningram1811]

The existence of a Lennon (Chaotic Neutral) and a Lenin (Lawful neutral) suggests a Lenunder, and perhaps some other Len... 's which would fill the alignment chart.

[@ianbrewster8934]

M'Baku needs his own film ....

[@724Matthew]

Wouldn’t Ross have been found out as a skrull when he was shot? X-ray and vital scans?

[@jcock9789]

i like the new team for thunderbolts i feel like there gonna be used for not big threat but normal ppl there not gonna fight thanos there gona. fight other nations

[@clairedisapia]

I hope that Bucky doesn’t help Val take over Wakanda and helps them stop the US from destabilizing Wakanda.

[@mannik.rnb.]

'Who run this world, Earth' lol

[@andrewmcnamara6305]

If WW3 is going to happen in the MCU wouldn't Doctor Doom be involved since he wants to take over the world?

[@davidwhitley3719]

Felt I should remind everyone that Sabra who is appearing in New World Order is also a MUTANT.

[@DjBuddhaInBlack]

Bucky will be the one to alert the Wakandans on what's about to go down, but I want to see a Namor v Red hulk showdown!

[@thorinwoods2642]

Armor Wars as well will be a global event.

[@eldeadkilljohnkennedy3946]

Judgement day annihilation followed by rebirth.

[@noahfitness3974]

Dark Reign,Siege & Devil’s Reign needs to happen at some point