WandaVison: AGATHA Was Right (And is a Better Hero Than Wanda) | Marvel Villains EXPLAINED

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[@AzA609]

Agatha was honestly a great magic therapist to Wanda. If she really was a villain, then she would have just fought her at her weakest point. Instead, she helped Wanda understand her self and her feelings a lot more. She even taught Wanda more about herself.

[@jkllenado6356]

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[@cyan_galaxy]

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[@jkllenado6356]

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[@cyan_galaxy]

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[@psyspectral]

We can't really say that Agatha is a hero because we don't know what her plans are with Wanda's powers. The real hero of the show is Monica Rambeau, she wanted to help Wanda and that's what she did up until the very end. Give her the recognition she deserves :))

[@TheBlackSaint]

Yes, there are three powerful women in the series for a reason, I think. Monica is the overtly heroic character, whose personal grief inspires her but never breaks her. Agatha is the overtly villainous character, who wants to exploit Wanda’s grief/powers, and Wanda is more the anti-hero. She doesn’t deliberately hurt anyone but she also doesn’t do anything specifically heroic. (I’ve compared Wanda to the savage Hulk.)

[@FelixArizmendi555]

@@TheBlackSaint I think the same, I think that few give Monica credit, she really put herself in Wanda's shoes and tried to understand the pain of a loss, something that few stop to think about, many reproach her for the dialogue of "They will not know what you sacrificed for them", but knowingly it is in the sense that Wanda did not want to cause harm, but she obtained a reality in which she was finally happy, but she decided to undo it so that people no longer suffer, and seeing who the dialogue came from, yes that I can understand.

[@georgigeorgiev5036]

Yeah, I don't think Agatha could be seen as a hero, as well. Maybe not a psychopathic mass murderer on a rampage, but still has her own agenda.

[@Marina_Agitando]

I agree

[@Barry-rc5nf]

@@TheBlackSaint At no point did Agatha mention or show any notion that she wanted to exploit the powers. Wanda tortured innocent people and then fled from punishment when caught. She's a criminal and a villain. Agatha is morally gray you can't call her a villain when she did no damage or hurt anyone.

[@turnerjazz7872]

I agreed right up until the end. Agatha never says anything about wanting to protect reality or save the world. She never gives us any motive other than wanting Wanda's power for herself. It's definitely true that Wanda was wrong and became a villain, but Agatha was no hero here. She was an opportunist, hoping to get power for herself.

[@MicMecca]

If her actions thru out the show intentionally help Wanda and saves the town folks why assume she's simply an opportunist. So she's this good person till she's not??

[@amberheywood2603]

So good people can't want powers? It's why Steve Rogers takes the super serum.

[@devankeel5367]

I mean I guess the same could be said about Venom. Im not a huge comic fan or a movie fanatic that analyzes everything in a piece of media but venom doesn't really care to much about the general well being of people, its just a by product of being with Eddie and even eddie doesn't save everyone because he lets venom eat "bad guys" I wouldn't say Agatha is a hero but she definitely doesn't have any evil characteristics that are presented in the show. Self preservation is a common trait in humans and it can definitely extend to super natural beings.

[@ralucaioanagrigoras1489]

Yeah I guess we don't know for sure what she wanted to use that power for, and that is the difference between a hero and a villain, how they use their power. But I guess there is still the possibility that in the future Agatha will work with Wanda, or even Strange, to serve the greater good.

[@SoulShines4Music]

@@amberheywood2603 - Steve Rogers didn't want power, he wanted to stop the bullies and help people. Big difference. Even Zemo said "there's never been another person like Steve Rogers".

[@paapaewool7610]

I agree that Wanda is the main villain but I can’t give Agatha the “hero” tag. A hero doesn’t have to be 100% selfless, but there does have to be some sense of altruism in what they do. Yes, Tony let his ego get the best of him by creating Ultron, but he ultimately wanted to protect the world from outside threats. Strange Supreme might’ve destroyed his universe (understatement I know), but he did it to try and save someone’s life. Agatha has NO selfless goals in this show at all. Her mentality is “hey this witch in Jersey is super powerful. I need to take her power and become the most powerful witch.” She has no concern about the people Wanda’s torturing. When Wanda makes her think she’s given her her power, you can tell she was obviously gonna destroy Wanda and leave Westview without a second thought for the people. Where’s the heroism in that? Agatha’s clearly someone who had her humanity and belief in others ripped away when her own coven, the people she loved and trusted the most, tried to freaking KILL her. Can you imagine your own mother telling you you can’t be a good person? Traumatizing indeed. Since then, her whole mentality is getting more powerful at any cost (“I take power from the undeserving, it’s kinda my thing.”) If people die, they die. Makes for an entertaining as hell character to watch, but not a hero.

[@jagnestormskull3178]

Agreed. Monica and pals (I'm including Vision in this) were the heroes.

[@andersonarigoni284]

I kinda understand Tony's initiative, but he was also selfish by start doing something without his partners knowing it (because he knew they would disagree). Strange Supreme was absolutely and unquestionable SELFISH. He literally abused of his powers to absorb other beings, and was warned several times that what he was seeking was unbearable. Strange Supreme situation is lots of times worst then what Agatha, Wanda or Tony did. I understand he was consumed by grief, but he literally destroyed a whole universe just 'cause he couldn't handle his feelings. He also alternated several timelines by absorbing other creature's powers. He knew all of his consequences, but still did what he did. While Agatha barely hurt people. She knew what she was doing, and she have been studying magic for ages, so she had in mind that such a rough stop at Wanda's reality could break hundreds of people's mind. I wouldn't call her a hero too, but she's as anti-hero as Wanda is

[@jagnestormskull3178]

@@andersonarigoni284 But Agatha wasn't trying to foil Wanda, she was trying to take her power. There's no evidence that she cared about Westview's residents at all outside of her schemes. Happening to have plans that conflict with the plans of a villain doesn't make you a hero or an anti-hero. An anti-hero is just a hero who does the dirty deeds that other heroes don't want to do. Agatha's plans weren't heroic at all. Sure, she believed that she could control the power of the Scarlet Witch better. But what was she going to use that power for? Is Vandal Savage an anti-hero because he fought off Starro the Conqueror?

[@godemperorofmankind3.091]

im fairly sure Agatha did some fucked up things before that to warrant her mother trying to off her. they mention breaking the rules, delving in dark magic etc. she probably murdered fools while doing sick magical experiments on them

[@icefire6622]

Except that's not entirely true. There is a selfless goal; protecting the Universe from the destruction of the Scarlet Witch. Is she egotistical and selfish, and does want to use this new power source? Sure. But she also knows that Wanda is a risk to the universe. She really is similar to characters like Stark, or Strange Supreme. She has selfish goals, but she also has selfless ones. In fact I'd argue she's more of a hero than Strange Supreme, because she cares about the universe, and the protection of it. Her mentality might be "to get power at any cost" but at least in this circumstance, it was also to stop the rise of the being that has the power to end the universe.

[@JohnFoley1701]

I believe that wanda was delusional for most of the show and agatha’s motives were ultimately self serving. I wouldn’t go so far as to call either of them the hero. The heroes were the people on the outside trying to stop/save wanda from herself. The villains were the people who wanted to kill/take advantage of her. Wanda is more like the shark in Jaws or the tornado in Twister in this situation.

[@jesusramirezromo2037]

Agatha was an AntiVillan, Her motives where self serving and power hungry, but would benefit the greater good

[@WebSpyder777]

@@jesusramirezromo2037 If Agatha had any interest in benefiting the greater good she would have stopped Wanda early on.

[@sarahgrack9320]

Wanda if u think about it WAS THE VILLAIN. This is cause, she kidnapped a town, basically tourtured the villagers, and felt no shame. The real protagonists wer darcy, Monica and Jimmy cause they were trying 2 get Wanda OUT. Think about it. IDK y people find her kidnapping a town still a hero. I think she is seriously over rated

[@jesusramirezromo2037]

@@WebSpyder777 Like i said, she didnt DO it for others, it just so hapens her selfishnes did end up helping others

[@LindaZandere]

I take I agree with. Wanda is a representative for mental health issues in the series therefore saying outright that she’s the villain of the show would send out a bad message to those who connect with her on some level. But yeah, a hero she was not, just the protagonist and our character of entry. The real heros and villians were totally out side of the hex. Although I’d call Agatha a part time villain too. She could have stopped the whole thing right when she arrived, but chose not to just to test Wanda out and then take her powers for undisclosed purposes.

[@ChillDeathgod]

After watching Dr strange and looking back at this Agatha wasn’t really that much of a bad guy compared to what Wanda’s done and Agatha’s never actually killed anyone

[@janina6.9]

Both of them killed people Agatha wanted to end Wanda and take her power to get her son back. Wanda was corputed by the dark hold so u cant really blame her for it, its the dark hold that was controlling her into killing those people to get back her sons

[@prettyinrem]

@@janina6.9 except in a moment when the darkhold was destroyed, Wanda still made decisions that killed and harmed people so claiming it was 100% the darkhold is not accurate. Wanda held all of WestView under control without the dark holds influence so it’s not convincing to say the darkhold completely influenced her.

[@willsopencloset]

@@janina6.9 agatha was corrupted by the dark hold too

[@vgautamkrishna5197]

@@prettyinrem original dark hold was still existing

[@prettyinrem]

@@vgautamkrishna5197 again, that doesn’t justify the inconsistency with the writing. the original darkhold was still existing when she supposedly “realized” all she had done prior to meeting her children face to face. are we supposed to believe her children crying was enough to break her from that influence while no other voice of reasoning was? wanda didn’t deserve such a weak plot point.

[@miaalvarez5870]

I think it is too far to call Agatha a hero since all her actions were purely selfish. She didn't care if people were being hurt and wasn't trying to save them. Even if Agatha's 'therapy session' with Wanda did help her and ultimately lead to the release of the townspeople. Agatha was attracted to power and she had found the most powerful and dangerous being in the universe. She didn't want to destroy it she wanted it for herself. There's no telling what she would have done with the powers of the Scarlet Witch. But whatever it would have been it wouldn't have been good for anyone but herself (at least not intentionally). In the future Wanda would make an excellent villain because we have seen her capacity for good and how that has been tested and maybe destroyed. It all depends on perspective. To Wanda, Tony Stark was the villain of her childhood his weapons took her family from her. But Tony Stark did eventually create the thing she loves most- Vision. This is why I love the MCU so many different perspectives

[@christwings77]

Wanda is more selfish in her action and more dangerous, don't you agree? Imagin what will happen to Wanda Vision story without Agatha.

[@afifi2779]

Anti hero then ..

[@afifi2779]

Wanda is more selfish...

[@miaalvarez5870]

@@christwings77 I don't think Wanda is a hero in this situation and she was definitely selfish. however, in the beginning she did not intend to cause harm. Agatha is a good antagonist because her actions forced Wanda to realise what she was doing and pushed her story progression along because she has accepted she is the Scarlet Witch. But that doesn't meant that Agatha wasn't selfish as well.

[@mariannaschwarzenbeck4984]

the best comment

[@justineharper3346]

I love Kathryn Hahn. I’m so happy we’re going to get more Agatha. She was a great addition to the MCU

[@s1renzz658]

ikrr! I love the look of her magic 😍💜

[@rhyswilliams26]

This video is a very good outlook of Agatha, also Kathryn Hahn was fantastic as Agatha, really hope that she’s in Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness it would add to her character and help Doctor Strange with Wanda

[@thhejas]

apparently she has her own show coming!!

[@TR-qf2gt]

@@user-hf2dr7sh4y also, we have to keep in mind that wandavision is framed biased towards wanda as a sympathetic being which makes agatha more evil than she looks. i would like to think that agatha has a more anti-hero side than straight up chaotic villain. less imperialist sorceress and more crazy cat lady who keeps a shotgun so kids can’t disturb her. thoughts?

[@Benlovescheese]

@@thhejas indeed. No clue when, probs next halloween or something.

[@Benlovescheese]

@@TR-qf2gt Yeah that’s the smart thing about the show. It has so many characters that do things or say things in ways that could perceive them as villains so the villain in the show isn’t actually as simple as one villain.

[@destructo2030]

The way I view it is; Agatha played it smart in order to steal Wanda's power, there are no heroes here. Agatha is taking her time gauging the threat before striking. Agatha is just power hungry.

[@Vor567tez]

On point

[@aeyelashbug6311]

But Agatha was never trying to keep Wanda from doing harm, that was just a side effect of her trying to get the same power that Wanda has

[@rosemary702001]

I think the fact Agatha’s motives were self-serving rather negates any heroism. Wanda may have been too distraught to make sound decisions, but Agatha wanted her powers. Winning her over was to acquire it all. She just underestimated Wanda’s magical stature and perhaps, capacity for evil. I like your imagination though.

[@michaelmulvihill3926]

If Marvel had crafted a story of a 600 year old witch fighting her way through history to stop a prophesized witch who would destroy reality, Agatha would be the hero of that story.

[@viswajithsaravanan4419]

@@michaelmulvihill3926 wanda didn't ask for the power nor did she fantasize , she has intentions which were pure..... On the other hand agatha wanted wandas power, and wanda used her power without out knowing she did, agatha is a hero as well in her own right, and both of tthem are flawed, we know from civil war, in a situation there need not be a clear good or bad guy, and nobody is hundred percent correct in any situation

[@jagnestormskull3178]

@@michaelmulvihill3926 But that's not the story Marvel crafted. Marvel crafted a story about a 400 year old witch taking advantage of a godlike being's psychotic break in order to steal her godlike power. Monica and pals (I'm including Vision in this) were the heroes.

[@greg20423]

@@viswajithsaravanan4419 her intentions don’t matter it’s about what she actually doing with that power and I rather have it in Agatha hands vs a mentally and emotionally disturbed woman who can even accept one persons death

[@Artcat932]

Okay but... Wanda literally enslaved an entire city.

[@eddydoberman2544]

I love these breakdowns. You're an mvp, please let your sponsors know we just fast forward when you start airing verbal ads

[@kurtoogle4576]

The thing everyone seems to forget is that Wanda's kids were illusions that had only been around for a few days, and that she understood that they were fantastical.

[@EV21]

Wanda became aware that she created all this far sooner than when most people think it happened. She’s just been in denial and, at times, willfully, consciously suppressing it

[@hiccuphufflepuff176]

@@EV21 but if she's in denial is she really aware? If she notices reality but then willfully forgets it, she still doesn't "know" what's real in the moment.

[@missdancefan]

Wanda's kids weren't illusions. They were sentient beings created with magic but made real by Wanda's creation power.

[@hiccuphufflepuff176]

@@missdancefan I agree, Tommy and Billy were/are as real as the original Vision: not produced by natural means, but still clearly self-aware beings with agency and feelings. Agatha and Hayward's willingness to hurt them was evidence of cruelty, and Monica's desire to protect them was admirable.

[@jessicamaria1929]

They were not illusions they were pure matter but just existed in the hex

[@WorkerBeeSupply]

Really enjoyed this! This kind of plays off the story of Agatha being Wanda’s mentor in the comics as well. I don’t think Wanda can get off completely scot-free, LIKE how she just casually walks away from the town at the end of the series after tormenting them. I recently re-watched WandaVision, so it was great to observe your breakdown of Agatha slowly trying to gain Wanda’s trust with the story still fresh in my mind.

[@colonelb]

_"When I say that Wanda was the villain of the show, a lot of you are gonna argue with me"_ Nope, that's pretty much spot on, but what the show DOES do a GREAT job at is show how a person who had been "good" previously, can walk a slippery slope one step at a time and end up feeling fully justified in doing horrible things by the end, so much so, that you actually feel bad for her at the same time you realize she was wrong. And that is MOST people that end up doing bad things. Once in awhile, you'll get someone who is truly evil and plans to be evil from the get-go, but that's rare, most often it's one-baby-step-at-a-time, so you need to watch those steps. And as far as the MCU goes - I think WandaVision is going to be the exposition to set up Dr. Strange vs Wanda in the Multiverse of Madness, they needed a story showing why/how Wanda fell to the dark side as it were

[@nataliabusko1432]

Wanda isn't a villain. She is victim of her own trauma.

[@dominiquejones3805]

U feel so bad 4 Wanda because she lost it all but putting yourself n the shoes of the civilians is crazy

[@colonelb]

@@nataliabusko1432 True, but she also does bad things as a result. Both are true at the same time.

[@colonelb]

@@dominiquejones3805 Yeah exactly. That's one of the paradoxes of the human experience. With logic and science, things can't be themselves and their opposites at the same time. But humans, humans are paradoxical that way. You can be a flawed hero, or a righteous villain, or a good person for bad reasons, or a bad person for good reasons.

[@adamsavage2646]

agatha only wanted the power for herself. Also, Wanda did not understand her own powers, and I highly doubt she would take a whole town hostage and torture them willingly just because she is grieving. I cant bring myself to hate wanda because of something she didnt have full control over

[@Blaqsnake]

Looking back on this episode I think that both were evil, we can’t forget that the dark hold corrupts the user. I’m sure we will revisit that in future projects.

[@UltiMulti_Games]

I like how show runners now subvert the roll of “protagonist”. The protagonist is the character the show mainly focuses on. They don’t have to be a good guy. Light from death note is the protagonist, but L is the good guy.

[@ross-carlson]

Uh, protagonist definitionally means the lead role, it says NOTHING about their motivations at all. So then yeah, it's like it _always_ has been in that regard. What it seems you mean to say is we tell more stories with villain protagonists than in the past. Oof.

[@MhuFox]

I cringed @ "definitionally" lol

[@MirshikarSilivren]

The protagonist is the one who learns from their trials and grows better/stronger. It’s never been the good guy. It’s just that generally stories follow the heroes perspective.

[@zachryder3150]

"Now" ?

[@SeyidAr]

It's about how the show is told. Wanda is a villain but never has to deal with consequences in the story. She even gets applauded for making a "sacrifice" for the people she tormented. It is very similar how the US justifies bombing and terrorizing other countries because they mean well but when these countries retaliate they are terrorists because they simply mean bad.

[@hiccuphufflepuff176]

Though her actions were incidentally helpful, I think it's a stretch to think Agatha was being intentionally heroic. She had the power to free individuals from Wanda's control. She could easily have evacuated a good number of people without Wanda noticing, but she showed no indication of caring about their well-being, and actively manipulated some of them on top of Wanda's torture. She handled the threat of SWORD soldiers by picking them up in the air and, while they were helpless, would have let them fall to their deaths, while Wanda's strategy was to mind-control them out of threatening her, then leave without hurting anyone. Agatha's primary motive seemed to be self-empowerment. She was willing to hurt innocent people and steal other witches' power to benefit herself, while Wanda hurt people unintentionally because she was too distracted by her personal struggle to think about the needs of others, who she would normally go out of her way to protect.

[@ScreenCrush]

What other villains were right?

[@dabomb1717]

Thanos

[@rahbeeuh]

Killmonger. His methods were just not up to snuff

[@Beeean]

Me

[@datgreygoose]

Zemo

[@dubletar7351]

What’s at 6:49???? 👀

[@jamesandrew4958]

this genuinely changed my whole opinion on Wandavision. great job Ryan, gonna start my rewatch of it now.

[@stephenwallace3771]

I thought this myself. Great breakdown!

[@jaiyadav5557]

Yeah Wanda's breakdown was great

[@that.canadian.vaper.guyTCVG]

YES! THANK YOU, RYAN! Finally someone covered this lol. The *only* time that Agatha actually *acted* like a villain, was when she learned that Wanda was actually indeed the next incarnation of the Scarlet Witch. And then once she learned of this, she instantly took action to restrain Wanda. Now, she obviously isn't a hero. She is not going to be a part of the next team of Avengers, but she also didnt seem like a straight up villain. When Agatha's original coven had tried to kick her out, she didn't actually try to harm her fellow witches until they took action on her. She was just a naive person who wanted to learn as much as she could, and she wanted the power that would come with that knowledge. This is why she originally took the Darkhold, she knew that power lied within the Darkhold and wanted to gain that power. And this is why she was drawn to Wanda, because she sensed the powerful magic coming from Westview. She wanted to learn of the source of this, and then wanted to take that source of power for herself. That is obviously something that a hero would not do, but it also does not automatically make her evil. Tony Stark created Ultron because he was curious of the power of the Mind Stone, and wanted to protect the world. He created a villain from his own hubris, but he did not mean too. That does not mean that Tony is a villain himself. This was the same case with Agatha. She did not actually do anything evil until she was pushed to do so, and she actually restrained and soothed Wanda at times and tried to actually stop Wanda from fully becoming the Scarlet Witch. So, like I initially said. Agatha isn't necessarily a villain, but she also isn't a hero.

[@multinerd7778]

New rockstars used to be my go to while I’m still a fan of Eriks stuff on there. Ryan has the most thorough and interesting breakdown and theory videos on KZbin. Always appreciate his perspective. Your killing it bro.

[@wonkywaddlingwaterwingedwriter]

Same. I liked Filup and Erik early on and Marina is fun when they invite her but everybody else just kind of annoys me. They seem nice but not for me. I'm extra sad that MT seemingly has become the co-host... it's just like... idk... they'll be talking about a subject, Erik will bring up a reference and MT will just have no idea what he's talking about but will laugh about it. It's not what I want from the host of breakdown videos. I want weird background knowledge like Rob from Comics Explained can provide or Alex from Star Wars Explained or both hosts in Mr. Sunday Movies. I feel like Nerdist has good multiple hosts. I can watch any of them. But fucking MT.... sorry.

[@thatgreenguyplayer2]

Agatha was never meant to be viewed as a true villain. Because she's the hero of her own story in a future MCU show.

[@aaryanvirk2714]

were gonna see a lot more of what she's trying to do in her show.

[@dominiquejones3805]

I can't wait, Kathryn Hahn did a damn good job

[@Vor567tez]

Can't wait to see dark magic side of mcu.

[@Magelog490]

I've noticed that just like dr strange wanted to steal america powers because she's too unstable and doesn't know how to use it so they would be in better hands of someone who actually knows how to use it, Agatha does the same thing with Wanda. Wanda didn't even knew she was a witch until Agatha told her.

[@Chromwel-A]

The privilege of having a superhero team as her backup enabled her to think that she is never in the wrong, she is always the good guy, even if she did mess up like in Civil War, her team still didn't punish her, just put her in her room, no talk, no counseling, no punishment.

[@Julian-pw5mv]

To be fair, she saved a lot of lives in civil war. The bomb could have gone off in the middle of the market square and killed everyone there.

[@adamsavage2646]

shes saved a lot of lives as well, being a hero to you is apparently just a word and not the actions it takes to become a hero

[@turnerjazz7872]

You can't compare this to Civil War. The damage she did in the beginning of Civil War was entirely unintentional. That's not at all the same.

[@yoyomayne]

Yea her, Cap and all the people around them would've died, which is more then what got killed

[@arundhatimondal4465]

She saved like a million people in that scene but unintentionally killed the 11 Wakandans. She didn't deserve punishment, but what sucked was that she was just kept in a room like a ticking time bomb instead of being provided proper counseling and training.

[@AvatarPrimus]

For me, the main attraction of Marvel and its stories has always been that they can provoke deep discussions about ethics and morals, it makes you think beyond the action and adventure itself. They tell fictitious stories that can have multiple implications and applications in reality and human behavior in general.

[@samurexatlas7373]

I think Agatha is more an Anti-Hero, akin to The Lethal Protector Venom.

[@EV21]

I agree with this. She did a service to the world by working Wanda through her trauma, but I don’t know that it was entirely benevolent. Definitely self-serving survivalism if nothing else

[@Vor567tez]

WV isn't about villian or hero. Wanda was under intense grief and lost her self and end up doing wrong and Agatha was just into her own world she didn't cared as long it doesn't benefit her. She helped the the town not because she wanted to but because she had no choice. Agatha is that type of a person who cares about herself only and as long it benefits her she is willing to join any side( hero or villain ) depending on it.

[@KingGreqo]

@@Vor567tez WV may not have a hero, but it certainly has a villain.

[@2AwSum009]

I don’t think wanda even knows who Dr strange is currently? If I remember correctly they’ve never actually met face to face. Closest interaction being when she came out the portal to fight thanos in end game and with everything that was going on I doubt she paid that much attention to him. They’ll probably get a proper introduction in multiverse of madness.

[@icefire6622]

The new trailer for Multiverse of Madness says otherwise.

[@OnlyTimefps9]

Let’s just assume that Wanda did interacted with Strange after Tony’s funeral. 🤷‍♂️😂

[@YTEdy]

"She condemns poor Agatha to a life of torment cause she wanted to stop her from destroying the world" Well, what Wanda knew was that Agatha was willing to use her children against her and hurt her children, play with her emotions with a fake Pietro and she was willing to at least injure, maybe kill the soldiers and she called the townspeople "meat puppets". She also told Wanda that she and her spell "will always be broken", and that regarding Wanda's power, she wanted "more" and "all of it" like she was power hungry, so from Wanda's point of view, it was very difficult to see Agatha as any kind of hero and very easy to see her as a villian. An outsider might see it differently, and Dr. Strange might see it differently, though I have a tough time seeing Strange as being OK with Agatha having Wanda's power. I don't see how Wanda could have seen it any other way, though in hindsight she might realize that Agatha did teach her, Agatha's last minute plea to her "you have no idea what you've done" and "I can help" was too little too late. She played the role of villian to Wanda.

[@madselmvig1457]

There are one person in the Marvel Comic Universe, that brain prisons people like Wanda did in this show. And that is Morganna Le Fey Dr. Strange's Arch-enemy. I highly doubt he is okay, with Wanda first enslaving a population of a city, and then AFTER she has learn of the torture it is for the victims, she does it to Agatha. Which I might add are immortal, so she is doomed trapped inside this "character" for the rest of eternity. No sorry there is no scenario where Wanda is remotely heroic.

[@the_clawing_chaos]

I think the things that the Disney Plus series have done really well is the character building of the villains. Look at Agatha, Zemo, and most recently, Echo.

[@JustAnotherBlader]

People may complain about the ending of WandaVision, but at this point, to me she is the most interesting character in the MCU.

[@Efozze]

Agatha was in no way a hero. She tortured wanda by showing her the worse parts of her life, kidnapped ralph bohner. For all we know, she probably wanted the powers to creat her own hex, as she never had interest in wanda until then. Her hex would probably MUCH bigger then wandas. She even backstabbed wanda in the end saying she lied about giving wanda her own personal hex afterwards, she tried to manipulate her to get her powers for herself, not much a hero.

[@white_meat_chicken]

Yep. Agreed. Didn't really think of it in those terms before, but your arguments were well presented and logical. I'm looking forward to Agatha's series to see if they incorporate more of this view!

[@gabrielleduplessis7388]

She has her own series. Have not heard about this.

[@Xenophrenia]

well thought out? the idea that Agatha was just a misguided curious teenager that would ruthless kill her mother and walk away without remorse? she was "surprised" the dark magic protected her - nah - she knew it would and that's why she sounded so fake in her pleading ... please oh please - I promise I'll be a good girl if you just be nice to me now ... nah ... Ryan continually brings up the fact that Wanda didn't know what she was doing until Agatha confronted her with it but she should once again allow herself to shackled head to toe and put into solitary confinement in the middle of the ocean for something she didn't even know she did? please ... as far as her taking the Darkhold despite the lying woman telling her it was "the book of the damned" - it was the ONLY thing she knew of that had any information about her power ... she doesn't have any real connection with Strange so why would it occur to her to go to him? everyone basically abandoned her after she came back no? and the organization that she was a part of tried to kill her and steal the body of her lover ... there is no logic here ;-)

[@WorkerBeeSupply]

You’re right! This video (and your comment) made me more excited for Agatha’s series now!

[@painlord2k]

@@Xenophrenia The point is, they can not hold her in The Raft. And given she is no more a threat and she was rehabilitated, what good would come from punishing her? Jailing her would be useful to rehab or isolate someone guilty of something serious. We don't punish someone doing something bad because she was sick without fault of her own. BTW, prove it in front of a judge. What laws were broken? Does the government can do the same without consequences? Last two years say yes?

[@afro_princess1671]

@@Xenophrenia ruthlessly killed her mother? I remember the mother trying to kill her in the worst way. But it backfired

[@jessehugley7609]

She was right all along!

[@maye3141]

Now I'm excited about the Agatha Coven of Chaos. WandaVision became the manifestation of Wanda becoming a real full villain in DSMom. But I hope they bring back Wanda soon.

[@garysmith9677]

Wanda was reckless and dangerous. Agatha was power hungry after the fact but mostly just curious as to what power was in Westview

[@TheLewistownTrainspotter8102]

The problem with this theory is that it's disproven by the show itself. Agatha didn't care about anyone except herself. She had every intention of keeping the Hex up as soon as she'd drained Wanda of her chaos magic and rabbited ("You’re clearly in over your little red head. So, why don’t you surrender your magic to someone who knows what to do with it? And I’ll let you keep this pathetic little corner of the world all to yourself. What do you say?"). She disrupted other heroes' efforts to get through to Wanda (sending Bohner over just as Vision was about to get through to her, and dragging Wanda away from Monica), and she drove a wedge between Wanda and Vision so that she could strike when Wanda was at her most vulnerable.

[@patricksainclair2384]

Agatha was never a villain. Historically powerful witches have always been demonized. Her flashbacks state that.

[@armaan1786]

pretty sure she was demonized because of the fact that she was learning dark magic

[@patricksainclair2384]

@@armaan1786 out of curiosity being that all the other witches already had.

[@armaan1786]

@@patricksainclair2384 i dont really understand what you mean but, yes, it was out of curiosity, but still dark magic nonetheless

[@patricksainclair2384]

@@armaan1786 same as when the ancient one in doctor strange secretly used dark magic and forbid anyone from using it.

[@armaan1786]

@@patricksainclair2384 ok but do you *know* if the other witches used dark magic?

[@grailwolf]

Gotta say, this is one of the most appropriate sponsors and best done segues into the sponsor spot that I've seen.

[@MChantal76]

Thank you for this!! I've always wondered why I gravitated more toward Agatha than Wanda and couldn't bring myself to like or empathize with Wanda. You explained exactly how I was feeling perfectly. Don't listen to the haters who feel that just because Wanda fights on the side of the heroes that she's automatically right about everything.

[@viswajithsaravanan4419]

I don't think that is hate.... It's just an opinion.... Like just like he thinks wanda is the villian.... And If i think I the opposite doesn't mean i hat ehim.... It's just an opinion I have

[@MChantal76]

@@viswajithsaravanan4419 That may be true for you, but some of the comments are somewhat heated and one even said they were going to stop being a subscriber, so I'm pretty sure his opinion tapped some nerves.

[@adamsavage2646]

agatha only wanted the power for herself. Also, Wanda did not understand her own powers, and I highly doubt she would take a whole town hostage and torture them willingly just because she is grieving. I cant bring myself to hate wanda because of something she didnt have full control over. just because you have an edgy opinion doesnt mean its some hidden truth

[@MChantal76]

@@adamsavage2646Edgy opinion? What is that supposed to mean? Just because Wanda didn't know how she was doing everything doesn't mean she didn't know what she was doing or know it was wrong. Remember the dinner scene in the first episode when the boss was choking and the man's wife was begging her to stop it with tears streaming down her face but couldn't break character? She was really wrestling with keeping her fantasy alive or saving this man's life. Doesn't sound very heroic to me.

[@Xenophrenia]

Agatha is a psychopath that killed her mother and walked away without remorse ... she KNEW the dark magic would save her which is why her "pleading" was so "oh please please don't hurt little old me - please be nice and I promise I'll be good if you would just let me go with all my dark knowledge" ... she wasn't trying to help Wanda OR the town - she was trying to figure out what was going on - if you're approaching someone that you know is wielding nuclear level power = you don't straight up fight them (especially if you realize that this power is obviously greater than your own) ... Wanda was completely unaware of what she was doing and the moment Agatha confronted her with it - SHE SET THE PEOPLE FREE ... only do discover it would kill her "husband" and children - so she allowed them to see their families as she said goodbye to hers ... then - knowing that she would be shackled head to toe and likely tortured by people who didn't understand and feared her - she took the book (the only thing she had any idea even had any information about her) to find out what to do ... if you have an affinity for a psychopathic mother killer ... well ;-) ... alrighty then

[@fallenangel5849]

I really like your points about agatha, she also had the darkhold so she was more villan than her normal self. About Wanda tho... I think its impossible for me to see her as a villan. Remember that when she knew people were suffering she stopped, she knew that she was mind controlling an entire town , yes, but she thought she wasnt hurting any1, remember that she said "you feel at peace" she really thought she wasnt harming any1. About the ethical implications of mind controllling an entire town, I also cant blame her bc she simply doesnt know any better, her whole life was misery, she doesnt know, she cant know why thats wrong. She just feels every time she has something similar to hapiness, it turns to shit. She wasnt in grief only bc of vision... She lost her parents, she was lied by the hydra and became a lab rat, she was controlled by ultron, she lost her brother, she was blamed for lagos when she actually did her best and after that was a criminal, she lost vision twice and after endgame no1 thought she needed help like daam, not even clint. She isnt like thor that lost everything but knew better, thor had the time to learn what is right or wrong bc his whole life was stable up to the point of the lost of his mother, wanda's life is 90% pain.

[@Juztjynx]

not to mention she literally saw her home get destroyed (sokovia), idk why the guy whomade this chose to compare her trauma to people who definitely had support groups or ppl there for them, comparing trauma is odd in general and shouldn't really be done. But putting myself in wanda's shoes, had I gone through what she did? I would've definitely done the same thing, my life only being misery loss and pain, I'd want a break, my happy ending.

[@liewjustin]

Agree very much! The series painted Agatha in such a bad light because of killing the dog and capturing Wanda's kids etc., but two wrongs don't make a right - It doesn't make what Wanda did any less bad, even though she did it unconsciously. We understand Wanda's grief, but what she did was still wrong.

[@edwinvanooijen7749]

Agatha. Cheats. Death. Doesn't that remind you of someone? No? Well what about Voldemort?

[@lindseybarrow3070]

@@edwinvanooijen7749 Harry Potter cheated death. The people in Final Destination also cheated death. Brook in one piece cheated death. Buffy cheated death. I suppose this make all these characters evil.

[@edwinvanooijen7749]

@@lindseybarrow3070 Harry Potter didn,t cheat Death. He was in Limbo because Riddle cheated Death so much that by mere accident a fragment of his soul got stuck with Harry. As for all the other characters, let me rephrase what I said, Agatha and Riddle actively cheated death and in order to do so they killed others. Also from what I understand, both Riddle and Agatha sought immortality. Riddle's case we all know and since Agatha is about 200 year old, we can assume that she stole the lifeforce of other witches, thus also seeking immortality.

[@russrichardson991]

Always assumed that Agatha was trying to protect someone…at first, her contemporary coven, but later, the townsfolk (and the world). Never thought that her actions were totally evil and self-serving. It always felt like the “Breaking the fourth wall “ episode really emphasized that. This allows a perceptional retcon of Agatha as hero rather than totally evil. Agatha thinking that she was protecting reality from Wanda ties up several plot threads, allows her character redemption, etc. Thanks for expressing this in a way that I never could (as usual)!

[@Vor567tez]

Agatha just cares about herself. She wasn't protecting anything. It just that to understand Wanda's power she had to unintentionally help the town. Monica's team were the one who were trying to help. Agatha isn't a hero she wouldn't mind switching sides if it benefits her.

[@timburns4880]

Not a “hero”….. More of an anti-hero. Agatha was in it for herself. She tried to suck Wanda’s powers out of her for her own enhancement.

[@JB_Eckl]

But you're not acknowledging any of the points brought up in this video.

[@turnerjazz7872]

@@JB_Eckl No, Ryan makes a great argument that Wanda was wrong and that Agatha approached her with lots of caution and intelligence. But none of that makes Agatha a hero. Agatha makes it really clear the reason for everything she did was that she wanted Wanda's power for herself. She wasn't there to save the world or protect reality or rescue anybody. She wanted more power and Wanda had it. Neither of them are heroes.

[@MagiusDel]

@@turnerjazz7872 It's also clear that Agatha is no more morally sound than Wanda throughout the series - and unlike Wanda, doesn't have the excuse of losing control in a moment of pure grief. Sure, she does start with a soft touch and you can argue that what she did to Sparky, Hex!Vision, and Wanda's kids was fair game because they were mental projections made with Wanda's power (never mind that, within the hex, they were just as real as anyone else - and had just as much free will as Agatha herself did) - but how was what she did to Ralph Bohner any different than what Wanda was doing to the rest of the town? So, while I will fully agree that Agatha was, overall, a force for good rather than evil throughout the series, it was much more a side effect of her approach to achieving her goals than her goals being at all heroic. She wasn't there to stop Wanda, even at the end - she was there to steal Wanda's power (either through learning it, which would likely have avoided the confrontation entirely, or by using her power to absorb magic to directly steal it from Wanda), and that was it. Still better than Hayward, who directly triggered the entire thing by trying to emotionally manipulate Wanda into repairing Vision (though I seriously doubt he predicted the creation of the hex), but really, not by much.

[@MagiusDel]

@@23Raind That is exactly why I don't necessarily see Agatha as THE villain in the story (heck, there are three - Agatha, who is seeking the power for herself, Director Hayward who is seeking a way to make his version of Vision work, and Wanda herself, who despite not intending harm and not being aware of what she was doing was doing a tremendous amount of harm to those around her). Heck, if Agatha's motives were pure and not self serving, I would have no problem with seeing her as a hero antagonist - but, at the end of the day, she was doing what she was doing to accumulate more power for herself. Not to free the citizens that Wanda had control over (and, remember, Agatha herself robbed Ralph Bohner of his free will, so Agatha's not exactly on the moral high ground there), not to help Wanda overcome her trauma and set things right herself (even if that is what she ended up doing in the end), but to grab more power for herself. So, no, she may not be an out and out villain in this story, but she is definitely far from being a hero.

[@MagiusDel]

@@23Raind Except, that wasn't her goal. As far as Agatha was concerned, the hex was someone else's problem. If it collapsed as she was taking Wanda's power? That's fine, and if not? Well, that's OK too - Agatha gets what she wants either way, and at the end of the day, that's all she cared about. And, at the end of the day, it is that callousness, that uncaring attitude about what happened to anyone else that keeps her from being the hero in the story - no matter how much good her actions may have actually caused. If everything played out the way she had planned, she's the only one that would have been better for it. Sure, under ideal circumstances no one would have come out the worse (well, maybe with Wanda sharing a secret or two she wanted to keep to herself) - but everyone else would have been just as stuck in the hex as if she'd done nothing at all. Granted, that doesn't make her a villain per se - after all, she really didn't mean anyone any harm until she figured out that literally the only way she was going to be able to get at all that juicy power was to literally drain it from Wanda (and likely kill her along the way). But it's a big step to take from a character just being neutral toward the harm being done and actively trying to stop that harm - and there's nothing in the series that indicates Agatha even gave half a hoot about what happened to anyone other than herself.

[@i_have_ur_loot8582]

Hey man... above all else... great job taking the opportunity to help people when it was presented. Seriously. Very compassionate 👏🏻

[@kenlamella8996]

Agatha was wrong. If she really cared if she was really worried she would approached Wanda openly as a fellow witch. She would have acted as a mentor and tried to help one to walk through her grief. Instead she was a sneak and she manipulated Wanda. The only motive Agatha had whas she wanted want this power and that's all. It was about Agatha all along.

[@nataliabusko1432]

Yeas, thank you!! If she was a good guy she would talk Wanda through and as a 500 years old experienced witch she actually should teach Wanda about all of these witchcraft stuff, not trying steel her powers.

[@arundhatimondal4465]

Chaos magic is something that they have most probably read about but never encountered. If Agatha had confronted her directly at first, there could have been a brutal battle between them because Wanda was not in the state to listen anything (she did throw Monica out of her 'Wonderland'). I'm not saying Agatha is a 'hero', but if she had approached Wanda as a fellow witch (which Wanda had no idea about that she is one) without knowing the extent of her magic or her intentions, that would be a pretty stupid move.

[@kenlamella8996]

@@arundhatimondal4465 yeah I hear you man that's a very interesting point. But bringing back her dead brother and not even looking like the original Pietro that was a smart move?

[@kenlamella8996]

All I'm saying is that Agatha's main motive and only motive was to get Wanda's power and that's why she was a sneak going about it. One of Agatha's main powers is to absorb magic right? Now here's the chance of a lifetime you think she's going to pass it up? This is a woman that killed her own mother. Not in self-defense because she absorbed all their magic.

[@Sahil-uv6go]

After watching Dr Strange 2 it appears that Agatha was right all along.

[@bseison]

Wanda is absolutely the main "villain" of the show. Grieving or not, decent people much less "heroes", don't kidnap and torture people. But that doesn't make Agatha the hero of even a hero at all. She did nothing on the show to help anyone but herself. She is fighting Wanda to gain power and you have no idea what she would do with it. Comparing her with Stark from AOU or Strange from What If doesn't do her any favors, their selfishness and egos were the villains of those stories. The only people acting selflessly for the greater good in the show are really Monica, Darcy and the guy from AntMan whose name I can't remember. All the other main characters were acting out of their own self interests.

[@Xenophrenia]

problem is my dear - Wanda DIDN'T KNOW SHE WAS KIDNAPPING PEOPLE - which was why Agatha couldn't just ask her what was happening ... she quickly realized that Wanda had NO IDEA what was going on ...

[@ewanturnbull645]

@@Xenophrenia but I'd say it's well established in the MCU that even when you're the hero, the people will call you a villain.. especially Wanda

[@Xenophrenia]

@@ewanturnbull645 yes - they will ... most people judge on the surface level of a situation (which is part of why the legal process in the US has a trial basis for at least the attempt to use evidence and investigation to get to the "truth" of a situation) - it's easy to just see the appearances and we are kind of encouraged to do so ... I think they were going for a more nuanced message here to try to get people to see a whole situation ... it may have allowed some people to realize that there is more to most stories then what is on the surface but many remain stuck in the either/or framework that allows no ambiguity to "mess things up" ;-)

[@abhoundzo4938]

@@Xenophrenia she a gawd damn villain in this show, regardless your reasons it’s still villainous

[@bseison]

@@Xenophrenia If your stance is that she was only subconsciously doing all of this, I'm not sure that argument would hold up in court very well, at best you'd be looking at guilty by reasons of insanity defense. But her subconscious (which was extremely organized and in control of an entire town, despite not being "her actions") also had no moral objections or issues with what she was doing. But even if we put the conscious/subconscious argument aside, how did Wanda react when her actions were revealed to her? Did she set things right? Try to make amends? Turn herself in to face her crimes? Seek help from other Avengers? No, after defeating her enemies she went into hiding to study a book that for all she knew at that point was a path to more power and darkness. The story isn't over, perhaps like in the comics, they will attempt to redeem Wanda instead of taking her down a completely villainous path. But right now I absolutely think inside the MCU, Wanda should be viewed as a huge threat and someone who needs to answer for what she has done.

[@freedompancakes301]

Wanda and Agatha are very interesting characters to compare. Wanda’s actions in the series are worse because she brainwashed and torments a town of over 3k innocent people for days on end, while Agatha just kills a dog and fails at stealing Wanda’s magic. But you can tell that Wanda has more good in her than Agatha since she feels terrible over her actions and the people she’s hurt while Agatha steals magic and kills without regret. Agatha lies and manipulates and grieving and emotionally vulnerable Wanda just so that she can eventually kill her and steal her magic. Agatha only seems to ‘care’ about the people of Westview just to make Wanda feel like she’s unworthy of her magic so she’ll give it to Agatha.

[@user-xq9cx9ky9m]

Well, this comment aged badly because in Multiverse of Madness Wanda did the exact same things you are condemning Agatha for. I suppose then than Agatha was just like that in Wandavision because of the Darkhold corruption, so now that the Wundagore has been destroyed and somehow all of the multiversal Darkhold copies along with it, hopefully we can get to see Agatha's "original" personality in her Disney+ series.

[@ClaudiaS_]

I don't think Sparky is the main reason people think she's evil. I think the main reason is her holding the kids by magical nooses.

[@joebove4]

I kinda saw Agatha as the responsible adult trying to take a handgun away from a child. She never gave any indication that she wanted to use the chaos magic she sought to take, so I got the impression it was more about confiscation than theft.

[@ngocquenguyen1561]

Yes! When Agatha was painted as the villain, I thought "What did she do again?" Killing one dog maybe.

[@nataliabusko1432]

her mother and coven and we don't know how much more, cause Agatha really old witch

[@ngocquenguyen1561]

@@nataliabusko1432 not what Wanda punished her for. The price for being obnoxious is a life sentence of mind torture?

[@nataliabusko1432]

@@ngocquenguyen1561 Being obnoxious or killing people (we don't know how much, still a lot), attacking Wanda and her family multiple times? Agatha Is a bad guy, she did all of those things on purpose, Wanda didn't. In the moment, when Wanda realised that people felt her pain she removed the Hex.

[@ngocquenguyen1561]

@@nataliabusko1432 I wouldn't have said anything if Wanda killed Agatha in self defense. Hah Wanda from mind torturing people unknowingly to knowingly do it to Agatha so she crossed a line (that she has crossed since Age of Ultron but we don't talk about it). In the scope of the show Agatha is just a side character 😂 But I guess she deserved it because what did she expect poking into a psycho's business and killing her imaginary friends?

[@nataliabusko1432]

@@ngocquenguyen1561 Please google what "psycho" means. Wanda still isn't a villain and Agatha still a bad guy who killed bunch of people on purpose including her mother woops))) We really don't know what Agatha would do with those powers if she got them from Wanda)

[@PwnzTube]

I had many of the same thoughts watching it… if anything Agatha was an example of an antihero viewed more through the opposite lenses than what we’d get if she were being billed as a protagonist antihero up front… I think it was awesome and one of the many things that made WandaVison a work of fine art

[@Erikmeza]

Agatha literally sucked magic out her of basically her family and almost took wanda’s magic too I think she just wanted power and if it was true what Agatha said about the scarlet witch in the dark hold than she would have took the scarlet witches power and probably would of fulfilled the destiny of the scarlet witch to destroy the world. That’s just what I think idk I really like Wanda and her powers she might of been a little villainous but she really didn’t do any of that on purpose she felt bad when she was choking the citizens of went view so I think the main bad person in Wanda vision was Agatha but at the end idk Just what I think.

[@turnerjazz7872]

Exactly! If she was protecting reality, she'd want to DESTROY the scarlet witch, not BE the scarlet witch.

[@devankeel5367]

While that may be true we have no prove that would happen, its all speculation and maybes but truthfully if we're looking at purely actions of the two, wanda would be the more likely to cause the downfall of humanity and throw the world into chaos. We've seen multiple times her powers being used and causing chaos, turmoil, and destruction (Multiple times in Avengers Age of Ultron, and also in Captain America: Civil War with the Lagos building in Nigeria) So far the only thing we've seen agatha do is beg for her life in front of her mother in an unfair trial, steal others powers (unwillingly) and seek out more power to further preserve herself. Multiple times through wandavision she would deny what was going on just to live the fantasy she always wanted. She was aware she was holding people captive but forced it out of mind so she didn't have to worry about it. She only felt remorse when she was physically watching herself cause harm. Self realization is a powerful thing and ultimately was enough to snap her out of that little daze she was in. TL;DR Doesn't matter if she lost everything or not, her powers should have never been used for what she did, aka she be da villain.

[@slipherthevic3910]

@@turnerjazz7872 Destroying the Scarlet Witch is the LAST thing a hero would want to do. As a nexus being, the Scarlet Witch serves as the focal point/anchor of the reality she’s in. Destroying her would cause multiversal levels of devastation

[@edwinvanooijen7749]

@@devankeel5367 So actively cheating Death by stealing magic and life-force of other witches is fair, but unintentionally harming others in villainous? Trauma is a powerfull thing. We know that it was HYDRA that were bombing Sokovia, but clearly people from Sokovia thought it was America (thank you Stark). As for Wanda siding with Ultron, she blamed Stark for the death of her parents (along with her brother) and thought that Ultron wanted to remove the Avengers. the moment she saw Ultron's true intentions, she broke Ultron's mind control on Dr. Cho and left eventually joining the Avengers. Lagos in my eyes is Steve's fault. If he hadn't frozen up at the mention of Bucky, than nothing would have happened. Wanda saved Steve (and by extension half of the universe) and at that point Wanda's powers were not as powerfull as they would become so condensing an explosion, lifting an exploding person into the air and keeping the containment shield up, it would be hard for everyone. As for the events of Wandavision, it was never her intention to create the Hex it was created by her Chaos Magic (something she didn't know existed) when her emotions FINALLY boiled over. Denial is very powerful especially when your emotions are all over the place and somehow you loved one is brought back from the dead. Wanda's intentions were never to cause harm and she thought she was actually helping the other people of Westview (this was also strongly hinted at). As for Agatha's intentions... she only wanted to cheat Death and become the Scarlet Witch herself. TL;DR Trauma and depression mixed with Chaos Magic doesn't make a villian, activelly cheating Death does make one.

[@devankeel5367]

@@edwinvanooijen7749 Now this i can agree with to an extent. I don't think Wanda is a true villain because at first it wasn't intentional but there did come a point in time where she became aware of what she was doing and still chose to ignore it. As for absorbing the witches powers, if we're willing to excuse Wanda due to trauma then we should also exclude Agatha too because she didn't want to kill them but in that situation it was either she be killed or they be killed and her own mother was at the root of all that so I can see her harboring some resentment towards witches for that. All in all I don't think either are hero nor villain though I think Wanda's actions were more villainous than that of Agatha's

[@philipp1960]

you give all those movies so much more depth.. I am so confused if I should have looked your videos before watching the movies...

[@IcyDiamond]

I’m thinking the same thing personally, she was either trying to stop the end of the world or trying to stop Wanda from starting a multiverse war

[@turnerjazz7872]

Based on what? If we take Agatha at her own words, she was there to get power for herself. Period.

[@edwinvanooijen7749]

Agatha steals the magic and life-force of other "undeserving" witches thus she is cheating Death. Does that remind you of anyone? Here is a bloody hint, his anagram is Frensh for Flight from Death.

[@chrissy9997]

Stopping a multiversal war is way beyond her power, even if we give you the benefit of a doubt that it was her intention.

[@Benlovescheese]

Although there’s been multiple people who have or are going to be revealed start that which all seem to have happened either at the same or at a very similar time, not just her.

[@lindseybarrow3070]

I would rather paint Agatha as an anti-hero. Agatha isn’t really the hero type. She is clearly out for herself and will only help others if it’s on whim or if it suits her purpose.

[@lucasgray1492]

I can acknowledge that she helped Wanda in a way. However I don’t think she was truly a hero, she was trying to get Wanda’s powers and trying to stop Wanda sure but we don’t really know what her plan with the power was. We don’t know what Agatha wanted to do.

[@David-du2jk]

Wanda's the villain, Hayward's the hero. Darcy, Woo, and Monica are accomplices to the villain.

[@m0noxyd871]

Wanda is exactly like Elsa in Frozen, tho if you keep the comparison up, Hans is much more of a bad guy than Agatha and it clearly shows, Hans just wants power out of pure jealousy and arrogance whereas Agatha is driven by curiosity, Hans didn't care about the people of Arrendel, Agatha did

[@gregxianda]

This does make an excellent point. Agatha was trying to help Wanda while Wanda just wanted to keep going with her sitcom life. Plus Agatha in the comics wasn't a villain, the Fantastic 4 went to her for help to keep Sue and Reid's son safe and she even protected them. So I believe the wrong person won in Wandavision. Soon we'll experience a multiverse of madness.

[@Ozgipsy]

I love the authenticity of the Wanda character. She has always been extremely powerful and close to insanity.

[@Arob4343]

Proof that framing and perspective are suuuuuper important

[@Greggypeg]

Why is noone questioning the random man who appears during Dotties for the children speach... THAT'S SOME REAL LIFE DARK MAGIC

[@emilianorojas490]

I was looking for this exact comment, the random man is actually Brad Pitt lol

[@Greggypeg]

@@emilianorojas490 ahahha I tried to pause constantly until I saw what it was but didn’t have the patience

[@emilianorojas490]

@@Greggypeg I did an: "And here is what I found at 0.25x speed" lol

[@JOTAROOT]

What random man?

[@emilianorojas490]

@@JOTAROOT at 6:48 6:49 an image of Brad Pitt appears in the video. If you watch it at 0.25 speed and pause the video you'll see it.

[@erickpadilla9826]

Loved the Linus clip Ryan! Nice to see you are a man of culture

[@5ilver_F0x]

So now with Wanda potentially dead after MoM does that mean that Agatha will be freed from her spell and go back to being herself?

[@chadcognac5626]

Great video, Ryan!

[@abelmedina5508]

Man, first Ultron was right, then Zemo, then Thanos and Kang, now Agatha... Who's next? Red Skull?, or in the end Quill's dad the living planet and Ebony Maw are the heroes of the universe and tried to save all of us secretly?

[@austinionhammons]

Most excellent Ryan! Thank you! Always a pleasure to watch your videos!

[@viswajithsaravanan4419]

I don't think a person with dark magic is necessarily considered a good person in any reality

[@DoomVonVictor]

Most of what Dr Strange uses is Dark Magic 🪄 or the Vishanti. Clea is a good example as well, The sorcerer Agamoto is pure evil and dark magic warped his mind yet his 👁️ Eye empowers the good in strange. It's a nice back and forth.

[@artofmartialcinemaamc5334]

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about lol.

[@therandomd2717]

While I sort of agree, I think sometimes characters can use dark magic and still be good. An example would be the ancient one in dr strange.

[@viswajithsaravanan4419]

@@DoomVonVictor this is not the same one.... This is dark magic which comes from the darkhold using takes powers from chthon, and what the ancient one uses is from dormamu or dark dimension

[@afifi2779]

Ancient One and Magik : Am I Joke to you??

[@KryogenKeeper]

I appreciate your argument. You took time to research when I didn't. Marvel is definitely casting her in a villainous light. In DS2, she faces the consequences from "WandaVision", but because we know her struggle, the audience will be more willing to forgive her. As for Agnes, I like your points on her just trying to exist. I especially was intrigued how you introduced the concept of Dark Magic being able to circumvent Nature. The scene with Agnes in front of the "Natural "Squeeky Clean"" cleanser billboard seemed like it had a profound easter egg.

[@playarabbit]

I feel like since Agatha drained the life-force from her mother and mind controlled her husband Ralph were dealing with two Anti Heroes who could switch sides both wrong both had reasons Wanda was a Villain before so she is just being Magneto 😏

[@Viv8ldi]

Did you figure this all out by yourself? This is amazing I love this

[@xuttuh5260]

The theory has one flaw: Agatha did IT for herself, not for the greater good. If anything, Wandavision is a show of two villains fighting. No heroes.

[@rasul01]

You don't automatically turn into a villain because you want power for yourself. That simply means that someone is selfish.

[@michaelchancley1617]

I rewatched the last two episodes of WandaVision last night and realized Agatha may be more of an antihero than a villain. 1) She was a mentor, not villain in the comic. In their “battle” she was still teaching Wanda about witchcraft. 2) She’s getting her own show, which would likely give us more insight into her character and relationship towards Wanda. 3) In a weird way, she was preventing Wanda from wreaking more havoc. She has the highest power in the universe and is nearly oblivious to how to use it, versus Agatha who has been mentored to and studying the power for centuries. Oddly this pops up on my suggest videos and confirms everything I was thinking.

[@Natta44]

I still think Wanda OR Agatha (learned how to do it) helped create the TVA. Because I can't think of any other way it can exist outside of time. Loki said 'I thought there was no magic here' even he knew it must have been conjured up. Also it has a vintage aesthetic which Wanda likes because of old tv shows. My theory anyway. Also makes sense how the variants are just controlled and trapped like Westview playing 'their part'. I'm definitely going to rewatch Wandavision for more clues.

[@icefire6622]

the TVA was created by TOWR. It was invented to protect his "sacred timeline" from his variants, one of which is Kang the Conqueror. There's no reason to think that either of them were involved in creating something that was kinda already explained. TOWR has the knowledge to create devices that can delete timelines. Its seems like creating a timeless place wouldn't be that difficult.

[@Natta44]

@@icefire6622 I'm allowed to theorise. I know Kang created the TVA which was explained in the show. But I find so many aspects interesting like the runes in the timekeepers chamber which block magic use. Also what the nightmare department is etc. It just makes me wonder theres more to the TVA than they let on. If it's all just advanced science then that's equally fine, just mind blowing to me if that's the case. It seems to be pointing to the Quantum realm which wouldn't be surprising, but I like the idea of at least one of the witches being involved.

[@coreyrobinson9010]

Wanted to preemptively congratulate you on 1m subs!!

[@mightybk]

I hope in the Agatha series, they build on this, because I have felt that way as well, that she really wasn't the villain. Wanda may have not done it intentionally, but she held an entire town hostage. That is pretty evil anyway you look at it.

[@cary4603]

This was beautifully proposed!

[@ot7biasedmashups]

Well it's true that Wanda was villainous in Wandavision but NO AGATHA ISN'T A HERO. She straight up murdered a bunch of witches and stole their magic. So it's true that Wanda certainly was acting wrongly but so is Agatha!

[@brontsmoth671]

Those same witches tried to kill her first lol

[@jdallenx]

We don't know specifically what Agatha's previous actions are that were summarized as "practicing dark magic". For all we know she could have left lifeless husks here and there before the group attempts to execute her. It seems that she lured the coven into her trap, knowing that once they unleashed power on her she could drain them. Any surprise she showed when she started to overpower the coven was probably because it actually worked, since up until then she'd only drained one witch at a time.

[@Lawthefilmmaker]

Agatha wanted Wanda's power for herself

[@Erikmeza]

Yea I think the same Agatha literally sucked magic out her of basically her family and almost took wanda’s magic too I think she just wanted power and if it was true what Agatha said about the scarlet witch in the dark hold than she would have took the scarlet witches power and probably would of fulfilled the destiny of the scarlet witch to destroy the world. That’s just what I think idk I really like Wanda and her powers she might of been a little villainous but she really didn’t do any of that on purpose she felt bad when she was choking the citizens of went view so I think the main bad person in Wanda vision was Agatha but at the end idk Just what I think.

[@Erikmeza]

@@Lawthefilmmaker yea

[@TheeKingRayzor]

This is probably the best video from *"Villians Are Right"* series, every reason actually happened in the show.

[@thatomanaka323]

Is anyone back here after screencrush made a recent video about Wanda being right? 💀

[@alejandrocadena4434]

This was brilliant, wow. Well played good sir.

[@Coracora-he9pz]

Nah I don’t agree, Wanda is definitely a villain in the series, but the fact that Agatha stood up against her doesn’t mean she did it for the right reasons, she wants her power, the only reason she didn’t do evil in the same scope as Wanda is because she isn’t powerful enough. She’s like Strange Supreme? Well, he’s a villain who literally erased his universe because of grief.

[@zopeace9209]

I can see that in the grand scheme of things but Agatha used heroic tactics for selfish means. Agatha wanted wanda's power from the start. Wanda unconciously made the hex (pushed by her emotions) hence why she didn't know how she created it; She didnt even know she was a witch using magic. This explains why wanda mainly used telekinesis early on; she didn't know all she was capable of. Granted wanda may have done bad things but she didn't really know who she is. She went from being a villian to a hero to finding out that she is the fabled scarlet witch. Wandavision was more of wanda slowly accepting not just her reality but her identity.

[@emilxert]

STOP WITH NICHOLAS CAGE IN EVERY SINGLE VIDEO NOT NICK CAGE, AHHHHH

[@MChantal76]

I'm just glad he didn't say "your mom" for the millionth time. It's become annoying.

[@briano7986]

Terrific take on the story, really helped me to enjoy the series even more than the first time. thanks!

[@gjjk84]

Nope. You’re entire premise is based on the assumption that Wanda is a villain and therefore her primary foe must be the good guy. Just because Wanda is the villain doesn’t mean that Agatha is the good guy. There can be two bad guys in a story. Consider all the mafia gangs that fight over power. She’s not evil because she killed a fake dog. She killed her own mother. Why did she kill her mother? To take her power. And again, you’re falling into the same assumption that because she was being persecuted, her foes were villains. We don’t know that. We don’t know enough about Agatha’s story to discern with certainty who was good or bad in that relationship. Comparing her to Tony and Strange does not make her a good person. Tony’s curiosity was not without problems, which you eluded to early in the video when he created Ultron. And I’m willing to bet Strange’s use of his powers has similar consequences in Spider-Man No Way home, and he becomes a kind of villain in that story while simultaneously kicking off the multiverse of madness. My point is a curios person does not a good person make. In your argument, you never present any evidence that Agatha’s motives are altruistic. You only present Agatha’s motive to protect her own reality. Why should I assume that reality is a good one? Again, a gang encroaching on another gang’s area threatens their reality as the dominant power, that does not make either gang good.

[@finnonfilmz]

no she killed her own mother because her own mother was about to kill her. agatha was the hero of wandavision, you're just a basic wanda stan.

[@kmdsubs3148]

okay, the Nelson laugh at Thanos was hilarious 🤣

[@TheQuincyEdwards]

I just thought about this but if Agatha can break character at any time, can she break the final spell Wanda put on her?

[@toddbrooke1604]

Was there really a Tyler Durden spot in WandaVision? If so, this is incredible. Representing the broken psychie of Wanda, much like the visuals of Tyler in Fight Club, represented Edward Nortons character's broken psychie. Nice!

[@armahthetrainer]

Are you talking about that split second image at 6:49? I thought it was Elvis. Haha.

[@kimberly8695]

If indeed Agatha wanted to stop Wanda from destroying the multiverse, who's to say that Agatha wouldn't have tried to do the same thing later on? Remember, even Wanda can't fathom the limits of her abilities--granted to her by the god of chaos Cthon--and she's off in a secluded cabin somewhere consuming the Darkhold and increasing in power. If Agatha did manage to get Wanda's powers, she could likely be consumed by her pain and grief.

[@skyicy7383]

1:09 : can we please keep in mind she was unnaware of what she'd done at first, Because thats how it was :/ She had her limit and exploded. She started realizing she was in control with the helicopter and Rombeau :/ She's far from a vilain. You ca also see she panicked after choking everyone, because she did not know what she was doing. Now agnes, sure she did the right thing. But the bish still killed sparky.

[@finnonfilmz]

PLEASE - if your grudge against Agatha is that she killed an imaginary fucking dog but you're willing to let Wanda's crimes slide?

[@petrsevcik5044]

Agatha didn't mean to protect anyone. Maybe at the end, when she realised Wanda is the Scarlet witch, but until then all she cared about is how to get more power for herself. I wouldn't say Agatha is straight up vilain (the show didn't realy have any actualy vilains), but she's far too selfish and uncaring to be called a hero. Some comments are pointing out that Agatha could have attacked Wanda when she was the most vulnerable (which arguably she actualy did), but at first all Agatha knew was Wanda had power far beyond anything she knew and was mentaly unstable. There was no telling when Wanda would snap or what she would do when she does.

[@romeogaxiola7447]

I love how Screen Crush sponsored, help. You are 1 in a million 💯

[@kidnamedgrass]

6:49 what was that? 🤨

[@dubletar7351]

Right!!