Why Have The New York Rangers Been So Bad? | SDP

[@cuff02]

Still think scratching Kakko was mad. Has more points than Chytil and Kreider, same assists as Trocheck and only 2 less assists than Lafreniere and Cuylle. All with a FAR better +/- than all of them (except Cuylie).

[@theScotian24]

Yea shoulda been Kreider

[@swagod1843]

Thats not even the impressive part. All his points are 5 v 5 so his comparison to anyone on the PP is THAT much better

[@obibaddad1991]

1.Kreider isn't picking up assists because Mika has been in a huge slump since last season. 2. Lindgren hasn't played well since getting hurt last season. 3. Fox seems like he is cruising sometimes. Definitely not Norris Trophy. 4. Kakko is in the crap house. Needs more love. 5. The young defensive players give me hope. 6. The third line gives me hope. 7. Trouba (no matter how much the players like him) needed to go.

[@chronokenny8499]

ABSOLUTELY. Also can't call it a slump anymore for Mika. This is just his play style now and he clearly has lost a step with age. He is slow and I think thats destroyed his game and his fragile confidence. Some guys can make up for the lost step with age but Mika is just too mentally weak and letting it effect his whole game. Time to play for the Ducks or hawks and DJ Mika.

[@marc-antoinemarcoux697]

The rangers are done for this year. A rebuild or retool is absolutely needed

[@theScotian24]

Seems legit

[@TheSealsMen]

Buddy thinks our defenders are decent. Schneider and Jones are too small and do not check at ALL and are very weak

[@Moobeus]

If you are working in an environment where your management already had no faith in you when you were 12:6:1 and forced out multiple long term players through contract subversion. Then that’s not exactly a good environment for a team to flourish in. The team was doomed the second the leak came out about Trouba and Krieder, they were literally 12:6:1 when that happened.

[@crushdavis7048]

They were not playing well at that point either or the entire year. Rangers fans have said all year that this team has not looked good and were schedule merchants by beating up on bad teams at that point. And they were 100% right and the team imploded once they couldn't beat up on the Red Wings, Habs, and Ducks.

[@deltagolavista1]

Totally disagree. The players don’t need to play better until change is made at the top. They don’t play well, Drury is going to lose every trade/move he makes until he is fired. If they start playing better, that emboldens the GM into thinking the tactics he is using is working. The issue is the GM, it is up to the GMs boss to make the difficult move and replace him to change the morale.

[@DneilB007]

I think the point was not so much about Drury as about if the players want to remain on the Rangers’ roster they have to start winning. Because nibbling around the edges, like maybe a Kakko trade, isn’t going to make an impact. Drury is going to have to move someone (else) who wants to stay to make an impact. So, if the big guys on the team want to stay in New York, then they need to start winning now, and then they can make with the knives-in-Drury’s-back later.

[@deltagolavista1]

At this point, IMO, they do not want to be Rangers if Drury is still in charge. They'd rather go to an organization that treats their players with respect. Why reward Drury for his actions by playing better? They all want to win, they just don't want to win for Drury.

[@humanbeing2420]

@@deltagolavista1I think the players are being assholes. Jacob Trouba is a good guy - I liked him - but his play was horrendous, nowhere remotely worth the $8.5MM he was getting paid (per a contract negotiated by Drury's predecessor). Goodrow contributed in the playoffs but was invisible throughout the regular season. A Cup contending team can't carry dead weight like that. "They're great leaders/locker room guys" translated from hockeyspeak means "They're my buddies and I want to play with them." Drury availed himself of the rights available to him to move their cap hits off the books, like any responsible GM should have done. He did nothing wrong. If Goodrow and Trouba wanted to be treated with "respect" they needed to produce the on-ice results commensurate with that respect.

[@deltagolavista1]

@@humanbeing2420 "A cup contending team" they no longer are wouldn't you agree? This isn't a video game. Treating the captain of your organization like that would not go over well in the room and morale plays a significant part in winning and developing a winning culture. That is what Drury did wrong. He destroyed the morale of the team

[@DogdaPebba]

THE DEVILS!!!

[@syzLETMEREGISTERGOD]

Rangers were only +1 at 5 on 5 all of last season. They had the easiest possible first round opponent, got heavily outplayed by the Hurricanes but won because Shesterkin was on one, and finally got heavily outplayed by the Panthers but made it look close because Shesterkin was on one. It was always a possibility that they may have overachieved, or that they might have some problems if their special teams and/or Shesterkin slipped at all.

[@klnz1107]

They won the presidents trophy. Brain dead take

[@chrisforrey5594]

100% True! This is how I saw them the whole playoffs last year! Shesterkin WON games hands down! Dude was unreal!

[@DoctorSexPress]

They won the presidents trophy…

[@ohbequietlol]

Uh....the Rangers weren't heavily out played against Carolina. I just looked at the stats lol. They were outplayed by Florida yes.....Carolina series was pretty even tbh Fyi.....outshooting an opponent doesn't mean you're out playing them. The canes were just shooting pucks at shesterkin from everywhere. Even bad angles. the high danger chances were pretty even between the teams though.

[@ohbequietlol]

I think it's more of a fact that the players are pissed off because Drury's been pretty cut throat. I heard someone else say this I can't remember where but they said "it's hard to play for a boss you're mad at". Referencing Drury.

[@Bum_Hip]

The Rangers retired the slogan “No Quit New York” at the end of last season. They didn’t use it this year. Appropriately so as it is turning out.

[@allyparker2636]

Very true, although the new "it takes everyone" isnt ideal when players + mgmt arent exactly in the same boat

[@RelaxingGhost]

What do you expect from Peter Metropolitan? Guys coached just about every team in the metro div and left them worse than he got them. NHL GMs need to stop recycling the same coaches seriously

[@Moobeus]

This is the issue. 49% of all coaches who win the Jack Adams are fired within 3 years after. Is this because they suddenly become terrible coaches? No. It’s because when you are one of the best teams in the league all the other teams study up on you far more than any other teams and learn how to play against you. The rangers won the Presidents trophy last year they are a team that other teams will have studied hard up on. Laviliolette was an amazing coach but he hasn’t adjusted the teams play style at all and all the other teams have learned all the tricks and plays and how to beat them. They need a new coach. We saw this exact same thing with Berube and Montgomery, they were great coaches but teams adapted to their coaching styles, it’s even happening to a certain extent now with the Panthers and Paul Maurice. Look how much better the bruins are doing with a new coach, it’s not that their new coach is better it’s just because he’s different and he makes the team play diffferent. Get a new coach, the team will win.

[@negtype13]

Well that doesn’t necessarily fly. Look at the Penguins in the mid-late 2010s and then the Lightning after both with back to backs and the Lightning almost getting 3. Those are just 2 examples of teams that were at the top for years at the time in fact the Lightning still are. Penguins… not so much!😝 Good coaches adapt/keep things fresh as well. Question is can Lavi do it and I really hope so cause there’s no other coach out there now that’s as qualified as him.🤷🏽‍♂️

[@Moobeus]

Im not saying a team cant win back to backs im saying some coaches arnt capable of adjusting their style to resistance.

[@theScotian24]

I think thats a great take.

[@theScotian24]

​@@negtype13you can make the arguement but at this point its a risk worth taking. Laviolette is stale.

[@negtype13]

@@theScotian24 That’s fair. If he’s not showing signs of being adaptable/staying fresh then I agree it’s time to go.

[@darrengray1239]

Someone said Livegren and Kakko to STL for Saad and Perunovich. As a Blues fan, bring it on.

[@JustaComment93]

Buchnevich

[@darrengray1239]

@JustaComment93 Never. You were dumb enough to trade him to STL already.

[@TheSnapback]

Livegren? More like Deadgren.

[@alyssinwilliams4570]

I would *love* to see Kreider in a Flames jersey. Been wanting that since his rookie season

[@ratedRblazin]

Rags have been awful since the team was founded. 4 Stanley Cups as an original 6 team is absolutely ATROCIOUS!

[@humanbeing2420]

During the original six era, from 1942 to 1967, the league had a rule that gave each team exclusive rights to negotiate contracts with promising local players within 50 miles of its home ice. Since the Toronto and the Montreal metropolitan areas contained abundant ice hockey prospects, that put them at a major recruiting advantage over Boston, New York, and Chicago, which had very few such prospects in their territories.

[@TheSnapback]

Awful? Disappointing sure, but awful is a major exaggeration. They are still in the playoff picture year after year. They've had several deep playoff runs in the past decade. Literally just won the presidents trophy, were in the final 4. That's not awful. Several great teams compete for a cup every year, only one can win. The Rangers just fail to get over that final hump, that doesn't make them awful though. Winning the cup involves a lot of luck, and the Rangers have been anything but lucky. Obviously it mostly involves having a team built to win the cup, but you can't control injuries or bad bounces. Nonetheless, the Rangers unprecedented performance this season is just giving you an excuse to call them a terrible franchise.

[@Raytapia407]

After I saw the last segment where they did a “players only” meeting I knew right of the back they are sabotaging the season to get drury fired

[@humanbeing2420]

That's this segment. How do you know Steve's info is accurate?

[@Raytapia407]

@ they just lost to the predators that speaks for itself scored zero goals you tell me?

[@Raytapia407]

@ and I watch other channels that involve the rangers they all been saying the same issue so it’s not ironic that other channels are talking about the same elephant in a different room 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@alanjarrar]

Johnny Lazarus reported that the info about that players only meeting is 100% false. Said he's gonna debunk it today in the Morning Cupa Hockey

[@Raytapia407]

@@alanjarrar they can say it’s false all they want we already know this is who they are but if they wanna be naive and in denial that’s on them I already know this core is entitled and childish af but go off since you really think this core doesn’t have a locker room problem 😂😂😭😭😂

[@russbroda7207]

Great hockey talk guys.

[@steveoTHEGREAT]

WTF IS HAPPENING!? We started off like the team we were last year. Wtf is going on now

[@TheSnapback]

Pressure got too high and we're witnessing an implosion. It's hard to live up to standards that are unsustainable, and now they are too much in their heads to get anything going.

[@butcherpete2286]

I would take Kappo Kakko on the Washington Capitals in a heartbeat. He'd play for a players coach under Carberry. He'd have WAY less pressure playing alongside guys like Ovi Wilson Carlson and Dubois. He'd have a similar situation as Dubois. And, He'd be a huge upgrade to their middle six fore power over an undercooked Lapierre/Miroshnichenko or a no longer with it Milano.

[@donnieb.6356]

Dangle knows as much about hockey as someone who watches a few games a year.

[@jaredb6005]

As a Rangers fan, I would rather play a whole year with just the Hartford team and keep Drury then cowtow to these soft players, you’ve shown me you have no ability to handle adversity and that’s all what the playoffs are

[@PabloDiabloTreasures]

So maybe the players decided to tank it to get Drury fired and Kakko did not go along and keeps trying so play well and score so the players asked the coach to healthy scratch Kakko?

[@jasonthieme8926]

The Rangers slogan was not no quit in New York That's what it was the last 2 years. This year it was it takes everyone. And they've obviously not shown that because not everyone's playing

[@mariovaccarella6854]

Great take on The Rangers, guys. I don't know what they're doing & what the problem is with them. I don't know what they can do to fix it, but for to continue to make changes. I'm seeing talk of Chris Kreider as A Trade, which I have no idea why, since, even when he's not doing well, he's putting up a decent amount of goals. Let me know what you think

[@greglemrow3917]

As a Devils fan, I have to say, I'm a real fan of the Rangers' season so far.

[@WbBUCK585]

As a Caps fan, I have to say, I’m a real fan of this Rangers season as well! More room in the top three for both the Devils and Caps lol

[@TheSnapback]

As a Rangers fan, now you know how we felt last year. It seems that every season the Devils and Rangers trade places.

[@mariovaccarella6854]

Chris Drury might want to get something for Igor Shesterkin before the new contract kicks in, especially if he continues to play bad. Let me know what you think.

[@humanbeing2420]

It would be pretty funny if this players-only meeting never really happened and Drury just had an underling get this rumor out there so that fans would turn on the players.

[@juans3728]

The Rangers are not bad what they have done for the last month or so is pull a MUTINY or Strike on management. They play great for a period or two then they start playing the " I DON'T CARE GAME". This problem began since the rumor of Trouba being traded to now. I'm sure there would have been a better way to handle this but someone probably didn't want give in. As for Panarin i really don't think he is hurt i feel he is fed up with the crap that's going so he prefers to sit out the net couple of games.

[@tonyt9355]

Islanders have been quiet quitting for 2 years now.

[@Killshot91]

Have you heard the rumor from the biz podcast that the rangers may be interested hiring Sean Avery as the gm?

[@paules0099]

Isn't it obvious? The players have quit on management, not their coaches. They despise Chris Drury!

[@terrpeters7371]

What would you guys rather have. Rags 5v5 or playoff core-4? 😆

[@chronokenny8499]

Kreider not picking up assists bc he is passing to Mika who can't hit the side of a barn. 2 major problems on the Rangers and one of them is now gone (Trouba) and the other is Mika. Both are not playing up to contract and have lost a step. BUT moving on from them is hard bc of "feelings" Trouba being the captain and Mika being best friends with Kreider and being on this team forever. It sucks but Mika being a 1C is just not going to cut it and we saw that last year. Always the other guys fault thats on the Kreider Mike line according to others and I have been saying this now for 2 years now that its actually them and mainly Mika.

[@humanbeing2420]

Mika looks to me like he is seriously out of shape. We are probably stuck with him forever because he has a NMC through 2029.

[@dlagrua]

The Rangers are losing because Drury built this team with too many of the same type of players. He built a team of finesse skaters and not those that can win the battles in the corners, along the boards and in front of the net. The defense are all puck movers lacking grit. They always go in deep and get trapped.

[@KillJoy323]

Vesey hasn't been the same since that dirty injury from florida

[@malleus30]

Yeah, they're performing poorly but they're Kreider and Kako. Who doesn't need that kind of help for a good price?

[@JohnShields-xx1yk]

Self inflicted psychological issues, it's hockey psychology, only it's the, "can we win mentality" instead of, We will win, but the bottom line is, whoever works harder, usually wins, they have to bust their asses, the W:s will come.

[@mikeb3216]

They quit on the fans, in Sam Rosen's final season. That's all that matters. Figure out who the culprits are and waive them. You can leave cancers like that in the lockeroom. It took years to cleanse that country club culture from the room. You're gong to look up and see dark ages 2.0 with a team full of Valeri Kamensky's, Sylvain Lefebvre's and Marcel Hossa''s

[@js0292]

This team is too soft and collapsing because a few players got traded proves it. The core showed zero effort when they got exposed by Florida in the playoffs. They need to get rid of DJ Zibanejad at least.

[@shawnstadtler9865]

Opinions from two guys that don't actually follow the Rangers.

[@boybrushedred18]

So then why did you click the link? Did you accidentally find this video? It should be pretty well known that Steve is a fan of a different team. I can't really remember what team he likes, but its well known it's not the rangers.... it's the leafs BTW I was kidding. But seriously, what did you expect? They try to watch thr whole NHL but obviously they spend more time on the leafs. If you want more in depth ranger news go to a Rangers channel. Is there not one like dangle? I'm a devils fan, I'll help make on with you and we can focus on the Metro (i still hate this name for the division)

[@SFLET-up9ll]

No quit in Ny has been around for 3+ years now 😅🤣😂

[@TheSnapback]

They literally got rid of that slogan before this season started. If anything it worked well for them. Now it's "It Takes Everyone" which is incredibly vague, as it is indeed taking everyone to be this terrible.

[@nathan18725ify]

Trade kakko to STL

[@tompregon7450]

Kreider is having a terrible year. And besides net-front deflections, and occasional breakout, he is not that good.

[@unclefreddieDied]

AND THE FANS!!

[@alexandergustafsson4245]

I also sense that the team isn't behind Igor anymore. Because of him money claims these moves where made. So I feel that they kinda hold a grudge on him too. But here is the lack of looking in the mirror affects, the reasons he could command such a payout is the lack of effort in front of him. So I suspect that is the core issue. They looking for someone to blame, but they don’t want to look into the mirror doing it.

[@duckymans7604]

I still wouldn't write them off. They could just click and get back to destroying the league.

[@humanbeing2420]

Once a team enters an extended period of disfunction and losing, it's difficult to get out of it.

[@duckymans7604]

@humanbeing2420 agreed, but I ain't gunna nickel and dime these guys. There's always that potential to be dangerous

[@Polish_Pierogi516]

Are we forgetting about the Oilers last season?

[@duckymans7604]

@Polish_Pierogi516 nope. Subject is about the Rangers.

[@SwaminarayanSarvopariBhagwan]

Trade Kakko to Blackhawks

[@mattmakuta]

Big part of it is bc the two guys in the thumbnail aren’t good and set a horrible example for the rest of the team

[@rvatto7144]

Their overpaid goalie as done nothing since he got that contracy

[@mariovaccarella6854]

I think that one of the biggest problems was that, even given their numbers were decent last year, it was obvious that there was going to have to be some of the younger players that'd be going up in the lineup, as Mika Zibanejad & Chris Kreider would start to regress, etc., but as you said, LaF, Kakko & so many future players, that so many Rangers Fans criticized David Quinn for not playing the young guys (Quinn should get an apology), for not playing the young players, is starting to show that he had it right (that their no more than very decent 3rd Line Players, as they were in The 2022 year). Now, with The Top 6 not playing well, it's got to be certain that trades, as you said, have to be made. Panarin & Kreider should be the players that should be kept & built around. Let me know what you think

[@steverobinson8771]

The Rangers are 3rd from bottom in the Metropolitan, and they're still the best team in New York state 🤣

[@getsilenced3434]

Kreider and Mika are the problems. I dont know why yall are talking like Kreider is one of the best Rangers of all time. Here are the names actually on that list: Lundqvist,Messier, Leetch, Panarin, McDonough, Gilbert, Ratelle, Fox, Brad Park, Debatably Richter. Etc. Yall said his playoff totals. Almost all his scoring comes in the first two rounds and on the PP.

[@getsilenced3434]

Lindgren is THE problem on defense as well as Miller

[@christopherokeefe756]

Please remind the current roster that the NHL has a hard salary cap and if they don’t want roster changes then they should all forego the salary raises that come every offseason. They all want more money and no roster moves like Goodrow getting sent out. A hard cap doesn’t allow for that so their argument holds no water.

[@SaunaPerkele_5]

I'm pretty sure reason why Kakko was scratched is because he's going to get traded. He's just another draft bust. Same as Kratsov or Lias Andersson. waste of pick. Maybe Rangers could get 5th or 6th rounder back from him.

[@beefcube2414]

You clearly don't watch the game or at least you don't pay attention well. While Kakko hasn't had a breakout year yet, he has been instrumental in getting Cuylle and Chytil to the production they're getting, and he is an excellent playmaker who continues to get scapegoated by this fanbase when he isn't being given the opportunities to develop.

[@senkofam]

Must be something in this new york food or water. The sabres the rangers and islanders wtf. They all might have the S.A.D. syndrome. Look it up... lol🎉🎉🎉😂 my sabres suck!

[@ernie898]

their only problem is the forcheking is horrible their not playing fisicle enough hit the play and don't play the puck

[@elliotg.5383]

I cant stand Kakko however he isnt the reason they stink. I dont think hes a star nor a potential star but hes a serviceable 3rd line player. Mika looks like a shell of the guy that scored over 40 goals and almost 100 points two years ago. He leads the league in broken sticks and shots that miss the net! The Rangers defense cannot make a first pass period. They are turnoverkings and they play the whole game in thier own end. This team is souless and gutless, not fight in this team at all.

[@blackatron9250]

Rags are cooked

[@alessandroalafriz8162]

Whats wrong with Chris Drury? Why have people turned on him?

[@teedubb2010]

OK so their made a Drury...dick to Goodrow, dick to Trouba (twice)....I get it. But does that mean they're tanking to get him fired? Does that mean they're softer than bread pudding?

[@coogz13]

bad take by people who clearly dont watch the rangers. this core is mopey, overrated and entitled. we DONT care what this group of players thinks or feels at this point. they're immature, poorly-lead children and it starts with the 'leadership'. trouba was a LARP of a captain who NEVER should have gotten a letter. he's not a leader, he's a spoiled, passive aggressive brat and had to go. we're GLAD HES GONE... and he clearly rubbed off on this team - look at mopey, low-T zibanejad and now this glorified third liner, kakko, mouthing off. KAKKO HAS GOTTEN HIS OPPORTUNITIES, AND HE EVEN SAID IT DURING HIS EXIT INTERVIEWS - GO WATCH THEM AGAIN. HE CANT PRODUCE, PERIOD. he's a freaking 2 OA who tops out as a DECENT third liner... and now we're saying he needs more opportunity??? I cant wait to revisit this crap when kakko is finally traded and his new team realizes he's a slow, passive scandinavian and we can stop this fcking madness about him.

[@Mike.Hunt.]

They are a very lazy team. The coach needs to go asap