Babwalked | The Steve Dangle Podcast

[@saskcch]

Fun fact. Babcock is tied for 2nd in Blue Jackets head coaches for playoff series wins for the organization.

[@gooberbop1585]

That’s just evil man hahahah

[@sebastiencarrieres8825]

Didn't he have as many series win as in Toronto?

[@jonjohnson1978.]

😏

[@Tek3333]

Technically all of us are too lol

[@SuperheroRockstar]

​@@Tek3333No we're not.

[@drnick0]

"this dude says 'family' more than Dominic Toretto" - far out i nearly spit-take my coffee with that one 🤣

[@jayphat99]

Man, Babcock has learned a really easy way to make money not actually coaching, lemme tell you.

[@hannahflinkert9901]

I believe because he resigned they don’t have to pay him. That’s what I’ve read at least.

[@dennismoore7935]

they cut a deal, no way they keep $millions for asking to see phones no matter how weird he got, he got paid@@hannahflinkert9901

[@turkeykaiser]

I'm hoping that any team thinking about Bowman/Quenneville, after their little "what I learned" slideshow for the league, considers this.

[@Auschtl]

0:54 Steve "it doesn't even read like Mike Babcock..." Adam: "yeah, it doesn't say anybody's got a good family, or whatever..." 😂🤣😂🤣 so good!

[@tombroumas7349]

Was this the NHL record for shortest tenue for an NHL coach with a single team? 🤔

[@troytheberge2856]

I don’t know, but he’s probably the only coach to be undefeated with one team.

[@unmike19]

Yes it was

[@figger_me_timbers]

Surely there's a day-long tenure or 2 somewhere?

[@tomaswennerhult9944]

Well, if you count games coached it's at the very least a tie...

[@philipmatsick9274]

He’s the William Henry Harrison of coaches

[@kendallbobwile1326]

I witness Fleury make a similar save for the Screaming Eagles against the Mooseheads. The whole Metro Centre were on their feet thinking the Moose scored. Then... We seen the replay. Hes been my favourite goalie since that day.

[@jlothier]

The only good thing about living in Sydney was going to each game back when he played for, us man he was great

[@CreamyWheat]

BROOOO he didn’t even make it to training camp😭😭😂😂😂

[@frankripley3419]

The Ken Danekyo bit kills me every time!

[@happytobehere200]

For what it’s worth, you guys did an excellent job breaking this down in a comprehensive way and weren’t scared of talking candidly but staying professional. Great job guys! This was awesome

[@CorrionReap]

Did we watch the same 3 episodes on it? Lol

[@TheFusionmix]

Of all the guys to hand Babcock the final L, feels so appropriate it's a guy as well loved and respected as Flower. Love that picture.

[@TheEDFLegacy]

Source? I believe you, I'm just curious to see it for myself because I know Flower and he's the most adorable, hilarious, and wholesome goaltender in hockey. 😅

[@TheFusionmix]

@@TheEDFLegacy it's near the beginning of the video, he robs a Leafs goal so hard that Babcock gets fired. So the literal last L

[@TheEDFLegacy]

@@TheFusionmix Oh. 😂 I love it.

[@dndenby]

to answer steve’s question around the 4:50 mark: looking through a phone can be a fireable offense in the u.s. as an invasion of employee privacy from a legal standpoint

[@kaveh30]

since returning, the SDP has spent three episodes on shitting your pants, and three episodes on the babcock/columbus debacle, by my count, that's six episodes on shitting your pants.

[@Overtimewinner]

I cant believe the Leafs made this guy the richest coach in NHL history.

[@reyminhas1489]

Thing is at the time Babcock was pretty much equivalent to a highly touted free agent. Lot of teams competed for him that summer

[@fredsystra7584]

Easy to say hindsight. At the time he was very much respected

[@jayphat99]

At 18:00, Steve nails it: it starts with this. Then he starts invading other areas of their privacy because it's just another step.

[@risingsun010]

As a lifelong Devils fan, it always puts a smile on my face anytime you guys are able to get Daneyko on the show 😂

[@jnsl1982]

They hired Babcock hoping he wouldn't be Babcock but he was Babcock.

[@rodchallis8031]

If we go back to the Kyle Beech story, it was this podcast that kept that story from being squelched by the NHL. The NHL had previously always been able to freeze reporters out. Now we have the Babcock story in Columbus being broken by a podcast. The old way of keeping control of players and the media which enabled abuse is over.

[@misschrysalis]

It was the SDPN podcast that kept the Kyle Beech story from being squelched by the NHL? Sorry but no. It was Rick Westhead's work that kept that afloat and I'm sure even these guys would agree. Rick was on the show once and SDPN talked about the case, but the Kyle Beach story would 100% still have come out if SDPN didn't exist.

[@rodchallis8031]

@@misschrysalis If you would take the time to remember correctly, the story was broken first by a radio station in Chicago. Westhead and Katie Strang then ran with it. But it wasn't being picked up by Sportsnet or TSN or other mainstream media. If you want a lesson in why that was, look at the way Bettman tried to freeze out Rick Westhead in the first press conference. The NHL, and Teams have controlled the media by doing such things in the past. They can't any longer. Would it have become as big a story resulting in the resignations/suspensions without the story being driven on podcasts? I guess the answer lies in how much you believe in the integrity of conventional reporters who are open to reprisal from owners/NHL. Evidence suggests not.

[@LadyGainhart]

I don't know why the Daneyko impersonation became a running bit, but it makes me giggle every time.

[@jma.87]

It probably has something to do with Steve really disliking NJ as it is already (on a subconscious level) 😅 it's a good impression, though.

[@ButWaitTheresMoore]

This was excellent journalism: thanks for going through the complete rundown on Babs.

[@liltiger3]

It's a fireable offense in this instant because it is Mike Babcock. This isn't his first offence, it's like his 6th.

[@sIayerz]

Its finally time for consistent podcasts again lets go 👏

[@DneilB007]

Was kinda hoping for “Babcock Blocked”, but this title is also good.

[@rodbelding9523]

Babcock is just so weird. Imagine meeting someone for the first time and saying "show me the pictures on your phone, I want to know you better." Asking to see someone's pictures is such an invasion of privacy. Even if Babock's intentions weren't malicious he just has no idea how to interact with people.

[@darkwillis416]

Its a narcisstic coach that used sn old school tactic to intimidate and establish his dominance over as many players as he could. Babcock will not hesitate to ruin a young players life and career if it will benefit him.

[@rhaspados666]

​@darkwillis416 does that kinda explain the old detriot practice of prospects playing in grand rapids until their mid 20s? They were always praised for their patients this kinda shines a new light on it

[@runBMC123]

This episode should have been titled, "Babcock's out for Harambe".

[@sojiroseta98]

I have a feeling offensive players like Gaudreau and Laine just breathed a sigh of relief anyway

[@Lesevesel]

THIS.

[@rapideye85]

Yeah for real

[@Hockeyhobo89]

Maybe the real Babs was the person in the photos we were forced to share 🤔

[@adam_wylde]

Underrated comment. A+

[@bradgreenup6726]

Love the Blackhawks talk. Need more of it!

[@alexadkins3380]

Good reporting on this fellas. 20 year CBJ fan was not thrilled about this hire. An Adams point about upper managment is spot on. I think Boone is the Union rep for CBJ, so thats sad, an both entities ( league, union) should be better.

[@ricardoj85]

Babcock makes Tortorella look like a normal guy

[@AlienWooshie]

This is actually a HR issue in the workplace and this very case is used when training is against harrassment and privacy. I've just done the anual training in my company.

[@rickczainski9856]

Yes but as we all know, HR is there to protect the company not the employee, ever. That is why having a strong union is important.

[@WestsideShane]

Jenner is still the captain. He needs to grow a set and stand up for the rookies. Everyone knows what Babcock can do to young players.

[@SkyFellowship]

For the 21 years I've watched hockey. I've always been stunned that the Yotes are the team everyone rags on when the Blue Jackets are right there.

[@Bp_2900]

Franzen was such a talented player in Detroit whose career ended too early and it’s terrible how Babcock treated him while he was here. Loved watching him play when we he was a wing.

[@kyletamminen5890]

Marc-Andre Fleury.......that's a Hat Pick!

[@zachweeks299]

Steve’s Daneyko is about 65% Jesse Ventura

[@somewheredec]

Initial shot was off the crossbar went straight to Petan. One of Vegas D lost their stick letting a rocket shot to be possible that Fleury had to step way out to stop.

[@michaelbagnall5288]

Someone needs to do a time stamp thing of all the times adam picks his nose

[@ricardoj85]

He went out faster than Urban Meyer

[@williampilling6576]

I think people respect Torts because he doesnt pull garbage like Babcock did, which while a low bar to climb, he still walked over it

[@davidstefano2709]

There are so many stories from players about Torts being as genuine and straight as anyone they’ve ever met. And that’s the thing - he’s left a ton of guys behind him who will run through brick walls for him; as hard as he was on them, they’ll still do it. Babcock doesn’t have a one.

[@jefffreese947]

Boy - that question about due diligence to Jarmo was certainly uncomfortable with Babcock sitting right there! Feel bad for the Jackets organization - but I thought that was a ridiculously bad hire right from the get-go, and unfortunately was proven correct. And this is a GREAT podcast guys. I don't always agree with your takes - but this situation is the exact test case for the weaknesses of the "old-school hockey brotherhood", and you laid out the situation perfectly.

[@StonedSpagooter]

Bedard will finish his career with 800+ goals and 800+ assists

[@jayd5541]

2 things: 1:17:35 Steve's instant flip from "oh yeah Bedard will absolutely score 40 goals" to sheer horror at seeing the current 'Hawks d-corp had me rolling. Also, the problem with the CBJ rookie uniforms were those god-awful red pants. For the love of the Hockey Gods shove those damned red pants in the same broom closet they buried Boomer and stick to the blue shorts everyone likes better.

[@MrGnarVar]

As a Devils fan I can confirm that Adam is correct that you pre drink games. When I'm going to a game my friends and I usually have a couple beers on the train up to the arena and then there's an area right across the street from the arena with a bunch of great bars where you can have a few more drinks before you go in. So I end up buying one maybe two beers in the actual Arena. This is the way.

[@ace935]

Came for the Danyko impression. Was not disappointed

[@mobailey6666]

as an English professor who reads and grades rhetorical analysis essays and scholarly research essays for a living, that initial press conference was a load of bullllllshit 😂

[@ericedwards904]

Jesse "apologize" has me howling

[@PygmySurfer]

What really concerns me is Babcock spent a year at the University of Saskatchewan. Who knows what happened there, or why he “resigned” after a single season. I’m sure a University would NEVER cover something up…

[@gordonmacdowell8117]

Foggy was the decision making to hire Babcock in the first place. It seemed kind of crazy after they made some big moves to improve their team. Except maybe a broadcaster suit playing it safe, I don't think there was a single hockey person who thought that hiring made any sense. The new head of the NHLPA probably told the Columbus management that they would haunt their team for the rest of Babcock's days as coach there. I hope everyone gives Pascal Vincent a fair shake. He's an award winning coach throughout his career and looks like the guy that should have been hired in the first place. A lot of teams would be lucky to have him behind their bench.

[@kasdjkfghalksjdhg]

Steve's John Wayne impression is fantastic! ;)

[@lukasbernasiewicz405]

Imagine if this saga took place in a big market like New York, Chicago, Boston

[@nicholasdabruzzo1662]

so hyped baby

[@srnd2008]

20:35 Tiger joke was from Chris Rock Never Scared.

[@dix_neuf]

20:40 it was Chris Rock, referencing the incident when Seigfried and Roy's tiger went 'tiger'.

[@BrotherAlpha]

1:17:00 ... Chicago sucking could help Bedard, as he will be their ONLY real offensive option, so he will start every power play. He will be on the ice during every offensive faceoff. He will start every OT.

[@kurtwpg]

And if they draft high enough he could get his Malkin/Draisaitl/Marner. Obviously all those second bananas got drafted the year before so had a head start on the phenom, but even having a 19 year old Marner type player going into his 3rd season would be a big asset for Bedard.

[@kurtwpg]

OK, Jimmy Carson yes, 82 goals in a very high scoring era. Probably Gretzky too, in just over a season and a half.

[@Ryuzakku]

Do these people arguing against the Babcock situation not know that it requires a search warrant for the police to check your phone? And Babcock, a person with agency over the people he's requesting this of, is going to view anyone who says no negatively?

[@Reefiemon]

And he has a track record of being a vindictive, manipulative asshole, well before he ever coached the Leafs.

[@Deans-jm3uf]

I think the argument is that refusing could create a reputation of being difficult and could negatively impact your career especially when someone has a reputation of vindictive/cruel treatment like Babcock. I think it’s fair to ask if Babcock had good intentions why didn’t he reach out before hand to request the family photos or whatever were submitted

[@kevinappleman8521]

​@@Deans-jm3uffair point. If his intention was to get to know the players better, why not ask (with the providing them with the understanding that they have a right to refuse) to send (as in, not look through their phones like a crazy person) pictures that the players felt represented themselves (as in, they get to pick a few themselves, not a whole photo reel). The choices of approach are just baffling. You'd think he would've learned at this point

[@Aytrex87]

@@kevinappleman8521 Probably thinks he's untouchable

[@BumpfAkker]

no more gambling segment? good job. 👍👍👍

[@ectoplasm9710]

One thing to note is maybe the size of the drinks at the games in the different arenas. Haven’t been to many games but I got out to a Devils game and the beers there are HUGE. Probably could count for 3 beers everywhere else. So I feel like maybe that plays a part in New Jersey being so low on the list.

[@mathewealy341]

quenneville & bowman should never be allowed near a frozen creek let alone a rink ever again.

[@waryaking]

In sweden newspapers he is called "The Scandal coach".

[@aralornwolf3140]

That's Babcock's entire MO. Hey! At least Sweden understands!

[@ennok4231]

The Jackets dressing room right now has got to be a tomb. Their captain, who is supposed to represent the interests of the players to management and coaching staff, just came out 100% in favour of their coach and it took an NHLPA investigation to get younger player(s) to feel comfortable coming forward. More experienced players and bubble players clearly had different takes on this experience. But the fact that Jenner and other senior players didn't get the other perspective is a problem for their leadership.

[@RedWings80]

Boone Jenner is such a joke of a captain

[@NotHereForLikes]

@@dwaynedonnellysocial media clowns. Low iQ people who trust click bait titles. Zero research done. Re re people

[@ennok4231]

@@dwaynedonnelly it's a question of power dynamics. Coaches can (and did) end a player's career because of how their interactions go. So a young player who is not comfortable sharing that info with their coach is under tremendous pressure to do it or be cut loose. The role of the Captain includes representing those young players. So Jenner doesn't have to change his opinion to be like theirs, but he is obligated to stand up for them. If he didn't take the time to find out, and only went on his perception of those interactions when he made his statement in Babcock's defence, that's a problem.

[@brohndelaurier566]

Ken Daneyko lowkey sounds like Mike Lindell the MyPillow guy 😂

[@SilentRob1192]

This has nothing to do with this show in particular, I just wanted to say thanks for everything you guys do.

[@CoolsBreeze]

Jesse is so damn correct in anything sports related.

[@KevbotFalconhammer]

On the Fleury save, the reason he's so far out of position is because he's at the top of the crease facing a shot from ~blue line from Mikhayev, which is the correct play because it takes away the angle and works because the shot hits the crossbar. Unfortunately for Fleury and fortunately for the Leafs, the rebound off the crossbar lands on Pitan's stick, but the initial play definitely isn't a "if you're a goaltender tend the goal" moment.

[@TheShaggster37]

I like your Daneyko more than your Babcock - but nothing beats "John Tavares, captain of your Toronto Maple Leafs."

[@elwizschold]

We should be happy if Bedard gets 60 points, people need to chill on the kid. The team around him is horrible, and every opponent is going to target him as he's the only real threat basically. He'll be great (60 points as a rookie on that team is fantastic), but expectations need to be tempered. If I'm wrong about this, I'll be a happy fella.

[@YuiFunami]

steve shrieking at the sight of the blackhawks team

[@Design3rDrugz]

On Jesse take @1:13:50 the quote you’re looking for is chuck daley’ “you don’t put a saddle on a mustang”

[@theotherlauren]

Has anybody made a reaction gif of Adam's face after the bad intentions line yet? 😂

[@Redwing47]

One phrase says it all “Doveryai no Proveryai”

[@timvyfvinkel4542]

Babcock brought a grenade launcher into the BJ's dressing room and fired. Then he shrugs his shoulders and says, "we'll time to go, i guess"

[@dougstevenson1503]

Can't believe that you guys didn't mention Auston's 40 goals as a rookie when talking about the Bedard threshold.

[@andrewsheehy9938]

Mike Babcock's tenure was longer than Wally Backman's tenure as Arizona Diamondbacks Manager and as memorable as Carlos Beltran's tenure as Manager of the New York Mets.

[@chez0102]

Adam wylde on an awful bluejackets team "They aren't that bad guys!!!" Adam this last year on a much better devils team " They are bleeping garbage"

[@seemyworld1]

I didn't even have time to dig my BabSocks out of storage!

[@ianstephenson9721]

Isles are so low because we all drink in the parking lot before the game or on the train on the way there

[@volodyaulyanov2886]

Fleury and Petan are teammates now too

[@MrMooMoo088]

" Values. Attitude. Toughness. Quality. Character. Good people." God Jarmo loves his buzzwords huh?

[@bryanjoy6773]

ESL

[@MrMooMoo088]

@@bryanjoy6773 Columbus fans? For sure.

[@chrisg1556]

Wait, what? I thought if a coach resigns they dont get paid. Is Adam right here?

[@razvanzamfir1545]

I think stepping down means something different in hockey jobs than anywhere else. For me, it meant he resigned as well

[@davidstefano2709]

He resigned, yes, but JD mentioned yesterday that there was an agreement made. Which means they let him resign with financial compensation, instead of being fired for cause. Which is just, as a Jackets fan, the absolute chef’s kiss on this pube cake.

[@sophiejune4515]

1:31:28 first of all Daneyko doesn't pronounced Jesper Bratt's name like that. Nobody in New Jersey does. It's literally just you guys. I want Steve to do that impression to Dano's face. He's a great guy he'll probably laugh.

[@DiamondPlated395]

Babcock was a cbus’ coach for less time than Shane Gillis was on SNL

[@Marixa1979]

Oh the victory laps being taken here in Toronto.

[@h2ohydrox]

Davidson and Jarmo aren't going to get away from this in the long run.

[@andykanani5671]

As a Ducks fan Babcock will always be admired by Anaheim fans for taking the hated dirty Devils to the maximum 7th game to just come up a bit short. An epic final with the return of Paul Kariya despite the efforts of Scott Stevens to eliminate him from the series.

[@AndrewRyan709]

Love the title lol

[@christopherrhorer5192]

That was a spot on daneyko

[@AO91995]

I think the initial shot from Mikhayev went off the crossbar and fleury didn't know where the puck went. Then dove across saving the backhand from Petan. Completely robbed

[@Mr.Wrong1]

Boomer! Totally forgot about that. Absolute comedy gold

[@bb-kc9be]

3000 people watching the Leafs rookie game? there were ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND watching the Habs FRENCH feed.

[@M200-e6u]

Speaking of research….. science 101 : Confirmation bias is the tendency to seek out and prefer information that supports our preexisting beliefs. As a result, we tend to ignore any information that contradicts those beliefs.

[@kurtwpg]

Kevin Cheveldayoff told the exact same lie about Beach as Bowman. (Just found out when he actually knew in 2010).

[@alexdockrill]

Is portzy coming on to talk about this? I'd love to hear from him!

[@SOLIDERjee]

Its also for younger players harder to stand up against somehting like this i'd imagine.

[@PerfidiousAdrian]

This feels like something the Arizona Coyotes would do

[@Gum_Cuzzler]

We’re #1 baby 🎉

[@LostOne44]

When does Jesse Blake get the CBJ GM job?

[@kurtwpg]

When he has a track record of success.

[@jamesruscheinski8602]

maybe have a players council separate from league and NHLPA for all hockey players, with players committee on each team that is different than captain / alternates and player rep with NHLPA? to discuss any and all player issues, and seek acceptable resolution?

[@chumplet8947]

Unless I missed something, I don't think they named the PWHL teams at the draft. I watched the whole thing.

[@jamesruscheinski8602]

why was this phone situation handled through media in public, rather than from start through player representative and the NHLPA in private? were the players unable to use player rep / NHLPA for some reason? was the player rep with NHLPA somehow neutralized, that the players went through public media? the NHLPA stepped in that the player situation was not being handled through player rep? there is still the situation of players having adequate access to protection from NHLPA?