Sea Power - Future Ship Ideas (NATO)

Sea Power has a lot of potential. While it has several fascinating ships available right now, there are many more that can be added and that I'd love to see.
This video will focus primarily on American and British warships of NATO.
Name your picks in the comments!
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[@cornishsea]

USS Long Beach was also going to have a mid-life update for Aegis (radar and missiles) in the early/mid 80s, it was cancelled. But it would make a cool third version

[@still_guns]

Yeah someone else mentioned that, she would have been the prototype for the cancelled strike cruiser.

[@Wolfe351]

@@still_guns wish we could post pics!! I have an artists impression (offical one) of CGN9 with AEGIS, 2 of the 8" mk71 guns (tested on USS Hull in the 70's), twin mk26;s plus twin Tomahawk box launchers, new superstructure with Tico style double hanger

[@spoork9443]

the devs already said they don't want to add an VLS tico because its too OP to face against any other target. There is a mod you can install that gives you a VLS tico and its busted

[@MrCampasaurus]

But the devs also said they don't do things based on balance. So what is it?

[@spoork9443]

@ a VLS tico can send hundreds of missiles in seconds. That’s why, if the devs don’t base decisions on balance why did they add the Orel class?

[@MrCampasaurus]

@@spoork9443 Nils said he just liked the Orel and wanted to add it. Take that as however you will. I was very active on the discord and saw a lot of the dev comments. It was random people saying it would break the game, and multiple devs said they don't balance around other sides weaknesses multiple times. VLS tico is limited by it's target illuminators. Until they implement when these channels only guide in the terminal phase right before hitting the targets; The VLS tico is limited just like the arm launcher version in it's missile "spam capability". The devs just make weird choices in general. SA-N-9 wasn't even operational until the '90's yet it's in the game that has a rule of a hard cutoff at '85. Edit: I'm not exactly saying you're wrong. I'm just saying the devs say a lot of confusing comments. The game shows some balance obviously, but the devs say otherwise. It's conflicting.

[@thedeejlam]

Gimme the Bonaventure! And for more NATO ASW depth, I'd love to see the Tribal 280s and the Halifax-class ships from the RCN.

[@canadianeh4792]

Former RCN here, NCI Op. Working on a model for the pre-refit CPFs in Blender right now.

[@dopepopeurban6129]

I would honestly like to see some additions for second rate navies, especially for the more „experimental“ era of the early to mid Cold War, 1950s to 1970s. Possible candidates: For the Royal Navy 🇬🇧: - HMS Vanguard (1946-60) - Tiger class cruisers, especially the helicopter conversions for Tiger & Blake (1959-70) - Audacious class aircraft carriers, both pre and post jet operation refit (1951-71) - Fearless class LPDs (1965-2002) - County class destroyers, both pre and post Exocet refit (1960-80s) - Type 12I „Leander“ class frigates (1963-93) - Type 41 „Leopard“ class air defence frigates (1957-82) - Type 61 „Salisbury“ class aircraft direction/ early warning frigates (1957-85) - Porpoise class diesel-electric submarines (1961-80s) - Oberon class diesel-electric submarines (1960-93) - Valiant class nuclear submarines (1966-94) For the Royal Canadian Navy 🇨🇦: - Majestic class aircraft carriers (1948-70) - Iroquois class guided missile destroyers pre VLS refit (1972-80s) - Annapolis class helicopter destroyer escorts (1964-98) - Mackenzie class ASW destroyers (1962-92) - Restigouche class ASW destroyers, both Limbo Mortar and AROC versions (1958-98) - St Laurence class ASW destroyers, especially the DHH Helicopter conversions (1955-94) For the Royal Netherlands Navy 🇳🇱: - HNMLS Karel Doorman (R81) aircraft carrier (Future ARA Veinticinco de Mayo, 1948-66) - De Zeven Provincien class cruisers, including the RIM-2 Terrier refit (1953-75) - Holland class destroyers (1950-79) - Friesland class destroyers (1951-83) - Van Speijk class frigates (license built Type 12Is, 1967-89) - Tromp class guided missile frigates (1975-2000) - Dolfijn class diesel-electric submarines (1960-92) For the French Navy 🇫🇷: - Clémenceau class aircraft carriers (1961-97) - Jeanne d´Arc (R97) helicopter cruiser, especially after the 1x6 Exocet refit (1964-2010) - De Grasse class air defence cruisers (1956-74) - Colbert (C611) air defence cruiser, especially post Masurca SAM refit (1959-91) - T47 class destroyers including ASW and AAA variants post refit (1955-91) - T53 class destroyers (1957-92) - Suffren class guided missile frigates (1967-2008) - Le Normand class escort frigates (1956-85) - Commandant Rivière class escort frigates (1962-91) - Narval class diesel-electric submarines (1958-92) For the Royal Danish Navy 🇩🇰: - Peder Skram class frigates, both pre and post midlife update (1967-90) - Niels Juel class air defence corvettes (1978-2009) - Willemoes class missile boats (1974-2000) For the Swedish Navy 🇸🇪: - Tre Kronor class light cruisers, including Göta Lejons refit (1947-70) - HSwMS Gotland seaplane cruiser (1933-63) - HSwMS Visborg command/ auxiliary vessel (1976-2010) - Öland class destroyers (1947-79) - Halland class destroyers, especially post Rb 08 anti ship missile refit (1955-82) - Östergötland class destroyers, including Squid and SeaCat refits (1958-82) - Hajen III class coastal defence submarine (1957-80) - Sjöormen class diesel-electric submarine (1968-90s)

[@lucascousins6934]

Was about to post something very similar, very comprehensive list How about Richelieu and Jean Bart for France?(1940-1967) And (1949-1970)

[@dopepopeurban6129]

@ those are cool picks as well, especially for recreations of Suez or Indochina scenarios. Though I’m still unsure about battleships from the developers side (applies to Vanguard as well), simply cuz they don’t rly add anything in terms of mechanics or gameplay. They’re cool to look at and would be wonderful for things like shore bombardments, but at the end of the day they are just „one dimensional“ artillery platforms. And given that most vessel extensions are going to be DLCs, I think battleships are more something for the modding community to take care of.

[@FallenPhoenix86]

In no particular order: HMS Conqueror, only SSN to ever score a surface kill. Wouldn't mind seeing the Verdun as a "what could have been" for the French in the same vein as the Ullyanovsk and CVA-01. Various Majestic/Colossus class carriers, HMCS Bonaventure, HMAS Melbourne, INS Vikrant, Karel Doorman/25 De Mayo, NAe Minais Gerais. Clemenceau/Foch Appropriate aircraft for the above.

[@loco141r3]

Oh dear, that’s it you’ve hyped me for a futur PA-58/Verdun 😂

[@FallenPhoenix86]

@loco141r3 Mirage F.1M 🤔

[@loco141r3]

@@FallenPhoenix86 DAMN YES Or even the Jaguar Marine, but the most impressive feat must be the Mirage IV naval version proposal

[@josephknaak9034]

They need to work on damage control. Everything that receives any damage at all is immediately out of service and eventually sinks. The stark took two Exocets and remain under power. The Sammie B hit a mine and broke her back and the crew stitched her together and kept her afloat.

[@still_guns]

@@josephknaak9034 Absolutely. I believe Triassic said they were going to work on that.

[@gotanon9659]

Yet the opposite happened to the Brits with the 2 Frigates and 1 Destroyer sunk by bombs and another destroy sunk by 1 exocet.

[@thatwormhole1760]

@@gotanon9659they did damage control, keeping the ships afloat for days, and evacuating most of the crew before it succumbed after the damage control were no longer on the ship, and a British destroyer took a Exocet, and yet still survived, you are mainly focusing on the bad, but there are cases that ships survived with the same damage of the same class.

[@Mechanized85]

@@thatwormhole1760when everything out of order in weapon systems, basically there’s nothing can put to fight. So, keep me floating while nothing else can be fought back is a nightmare.

[@gibbo_303]

lmao i have played both sides and both repair just as well but they could change the UI a bit and implement more realistic damage control and repairs, such as if the rudder gets hit by a torpedo its some how possible to repair in this game yet flight decks are never fixable despite you being able to repair them irl if you had the equipment

[@Junior-vt9ly]

One that you missed when talking about the Iowa class battleships is USS New Jersey in her Vietnam configuration. We already have a shore bombardment mission in Vietnam, it would be nice to have Big J for that mission.

[@Yaivenov]

Yes. All the 5" and a 35.1 knot top end. ❤

[@neilharbott8394]

Ark Royal: Original was commissioned for Sir Walter Raleigh and launched as the Ark Raleigh. Sir Walter gifted the vessel to Queen Elizabeth (the first), and as a royal ship, was renamed the Ark Royal.

[@Cobra-King3]

Another ship that can work considering both timeline and since its speculative already, is the CSGN project, more known as the Nuclear Strike Cruiser from DARPA(en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strike_cruiser) as it also has a peculiar caliber of gun, the MCLWG 8"/55 Mk 71, a "What if" ship that had Harpoons, CIWS, Tomahawks, and a pair of Mk.26 launchers on a Nuclear powered cruiser with AEGIS Edit: if you're reading this still, Stealth has released a video of a new mod to Sea Power, basically it is summed as "New Threat Upgrade, Hell lotta Reds to kill", Changes include, but not limited too -VLS Spruance -VLS Tico -Franklin class Submarine with Tomahawkalypse -LA Sub w/Tomahawks -Better Radar -SM-1 & SM-2 Range double, triple, quadruple in capability -Harpoon enters 3-digit ranges

[@Wereldburger01]

Sea Powers NATO side needs much more NOT American ships from the 1950's-1980's time period. British warships, French ships, Italian ships, German ships. And also Dutch war ships, as the Seven Provinces class cruisers, later sold to Peru. And the Karel Doorman aircraft carrier, and the destroyers of the Friesland class (existing in the browser game "World of Warships") and the van Speijk class frigates, they were based on the British Leander class frigates. And the Tromp class frigates with their striking-looking radar dome.

[@blayas5239]

From the USSR I would like to see the Kalinin, Tarantul III, Grisha V, Akula, Sierra I/II, Oscar II.... it is a pity that this period up to 89~ is not represented in the game. ( Neustrashimy would be a stretch (93), but very cool to see too) For the USN In addition to the vls Ticonderogas and Spruances, I would also like to see the Los Angeles Flight 2 and 3 and the Ohio class.

[@still_guns]

@blayas5239 I'd like to see the Krupny class too, with those SS-N-1 Scrubber AShM's.

[@Robert53area]

Would take just an updated kreshin that got the refit in 1985 some of the other AA destroyers for the Soviet that do not get their SS n 2 launcher updates of 1985 to deal with the tomahawk missles

[@BenjaminGerfelder]

There is already plenty of room for a more complete roster without any new hulls, e.g. Adams class with original Tartar loadout, Farragut with Terrier, etc. Same is true for the Soviet side, there were many upgrades to the SA-N-1 from the early '60s to early '80s which aren't represented. We essentially have the '80s version of the Adams and the '60s version of the Kashin, but that would be a low hanging fruit to fix and quite nice to have for historically accurate scenarios throughout the games timeline. Also, USS Long Beach please. Best-looking ship the USN ever had.

[@Wolfe351]

Long Beach got upgraded to SM2ER (120 missiles (40 in fwd launcher, 80 in second launcher) with better radars,etc, plus ASROC launcher with reloads. Infact the Long Beach still exists the remains of her hull (midships section containing the reactor spaces) is in storage a Puget Sound Naval base

[@still_guns]

@@Wolfe351 If that small section of Long Beach still exists, does that mean small sections of the Virginia class cruisers also remain?

[@Wolfe351]

@@still_guns no the Virginia's, Cali's and Truxtun and Bainbridge used smaller reactors similar in size to a sub reactor so they got completely scrapped (from 1994 to 2000)with the reactor compartments buried at the Hanaford reactor containment site. Long Beach has much bigger reactor spaces and they still haven't worked out how to get them to the storage site!! As you can see from my thumbnail pic I have a RC model of California (and one of Long beach too!!) both in 1/72 scale.... done lots of research!!

[@aaro4224]

The talos missiles have a nuclear warhead so they can kill a fleet with a single shot

[@still_guns]

@@aaro4224 Crumbs...

[@adamtruong1759]

Considering the game claims to be set in naval combat between the 60s and 80s (honestly, they might as well make it 'till 1991), I've toyed with the idea that there should be a 1950s DLC w/ the Korean War campaign (maybe some colonial war campaigns) and a 1990s DLC w/ the Gulf War and the Bosnian War campaign so we can play with new and old toys alike. However, that would likely be on of the last things to be in the game, even after EA. I've been interested in a "Nuclear-powered Ship" free update for Sea Power w/ the various CGNs and their variants along with the venerable USS Enterprise. I also want the USS Midway, that WW2 ship served all the way to OP Desert Storm. Finally, I'd love to have the British units, but on the other hand, why the hell do I have use god-forsaken SeaCats? Anyway, I'd really want more French ships so I can officially round out my Dance of the Vampires fleet I'm drafting... then again, I need to figure out how to replace the F4s on the Forrestal's... I just realized, we need more Vietnam era aircraft like the Skyhawk or Skyraider.

[@Howard-j6e]

The editor managers time frame is from ‘47 to ‘91 so I think we’re see ships from time frame.

[@FrehleyFan3988]

I’d like to se other navies too like the Royal Spanish navy, and the Royal danish navy

[@nomad5482]

USS enterprise can 65 would be a great addition

[@johncmousley]

the cube! the cube!

[@owenstockwood5040]

4:40 Yes, the Standard series of missiles is still in use with the US Navy. The older SM-2 is still in service, although being supplemented by the more advanced and longer ranged SM-6, and there is also the SM-3, which is specialised in shooting down ballistic missiles.

[@peterdavid5034]

HMS Bristol is definitely my pick as well. What a beautiful monster.

[@uboot556]

would be nice also to add French, Italian and Yugoslavian units for the Mediterranean Sea

[@CharliMorganMusic]

I wish the American ships had anything with VLS cells.

[@martinkulash4061]

I had no idea you did channel dash. You should do an American inverse of it. It's been the only scenario yet that really felt like needing to use and manage the carrier and it's flights and engage in some air combat to advance. All American carrier missions also only ever seems to have them engaging frigates and patrol craft instead of cruisers like you arranged

[@pandemiceclipse6596]

Strawberries is a set piece battle between a Soviet SAG and US CVBG, but is extraordinarily US sided given the circumstances

[@kylestoddard2881]

The various Standard missile variants do no use the Terrier fuselage, but rather that of the RIM-24 Tartar.

[@Warbound]

If you want to play with a vls tico now use the NTU mod

[@gibbo_303]

its nice but not perfect, would be 100 times better if they added it to the base game

[@Warbound]

@ true but something is better than nothing

[@wolfcraft484]

some ships i would love to see would be the Alaska class Supercruisers/Battlecruisers specifically some of the guided missile conversions for USS Hawaii, the idea of VLS V2 short range ballistic missiles is funny

[@John_McCarthy1]

I really want to see the Des Moines class represented. I love cruisers (I was a cruiser main in WoWs), I love gun ships, and I love the Des Moines, the best all gun heavy cruiser class put to sea.

[@Yaivenov]

Des Moines versus Alaska... Fight! 😅

[@RichieKeane]

A lot of those UK ships are in Jane’s fleet commander. See someone already transferred the missions with included ships. Brace of Kirovs, a dozen udaloys and a couple of squadrons of bighorns if we are playing fantasy navy now like Wows

[@TankMasterGo]

I would like to see the Soviet carriers like Admiral Kuznetsov and/or Ulyanovsk {The carrier that was 40% completed IRL). Also the rest of the Kirov class battlecruisers like Frunze, Admiral Nakhimov and Pyotr Veliky, whom were armed with 1x twin AK-130 naval gun (Unlike the Kirov in game, which is armed with 2x AK-100 naval guns) and the new Kashtan CIWS as a replacement for the AK-630 CIWS

[@Wolfe351]

on the Albany class the 5" guns are on platforms just aft of the second Mack (combined mast and stack)..... the Talos missile stockpile got used up as target drones

[@Yaivenov]

Des Moines class served through Vietnam. Hope they add them.

[@g.sanders6916]

Hope we get more early cold war vessels, like a 1968 version of the New Jersey. Modern versions of the older carriers, aka be able to swap the f4s for f14s.

[@Wolfe351]

also in the modified cruisers was USS Boston and USS Canberra which had their aft turrets replaced with two early Terrier launchers and still had 2 triple 8" turrets

[@officialboomtish214]

Give us the CANADIANS!! 🇨🇦🍁

[@MYFREEBRAMS]

For a paper ship I would like to see the uss Montana BB and maybe an Iowa refit version of it

[@BOND19951]

I hope we get nato ships from the 1960s to present day. That way I can make crazy missions. I am waiting for more content to come out to buy this game. I wish they would have an desert storm campaign, bosia and kosvo 1999 war and Gulf War 2. Last, the ability to do naval amphibious assaults and control ground units.

[@Soviet_Meerkat_personal]

CG-52 is USS Bunker Hill known for lainching some of the first land attack tomahawks in desert storm

[@peterdavid5034]

A minor correction, the Leahy class is pronounced "LAY-hee", rather than "LEE-high"

[@Zenitchik_130]

Cold war naval game without CVN-65 and Essex-class cannot be a thing !!!

[@davidherron9151]

This game would be complete if it had a damage physics modelled in for infinite new punctures and blast holes in the deck etc its a bit date to just have explosions appear to have no effect and just a few standard black burn marks that appear by default after the first hit

[@still_guns]

I would like more detailed damage models too, but right now what we've got is okay. It's still early access, maybe they'll do something more complex later on.

[@davidherron9151]

@still_guns ya I dunno , it's been like since cold waters , and war on the sea , and well...all games. It doesn't have to be realistic to the point of working out different materials and so on. But even a sort of broken blocks system and a bit of cosmetic smoke and fire to obscure it from looking to Much like Lego blocks

[@Wolfe351]

the USN is up to the SM6 variant still using the Terrier body (with some variation)

[@still_guns]

@Wolfe351 Damn, seems like Terrier was the perfect shell for a missile.

[@YukarisGearReviews]

Ship ideas? VLS Tico VLS Tico VLS Tico

[@mala7794]

always hoped theyyd add uss long beach

[@ReaderStuff]

The problem with VLS Tyco would be she would probably be too powerful for the game. The USSR doctrine would be severely hampered.

[@still_guns]

@@ReaderStuff Yeah, if the NTU mod is anything to go by.

[@raptorred9186]

Virginia class CGNs plz!🙂😍

[@still_guns]

Already in the game

[@badgerattoadhall]

Future Ship Ideas? take harpoon 3....and upload ALL of the ships there. have you played harpoon 3?

[@still_guns]

@badgerattoadhall No. Bit before my time I think.

[@badgerattoadhall]

@@still_guns you can still play it. it is the ultimate "hard sim" for naval games.

[@sgenaosg]

It's lay-HEE

[@FMJIRISH]

How about the other navies... You know, what a complete game would feature.

[@Howard-j6e]

It’s an early access game lol

[@FMJIRISH]

@Howard-j6e At basically full price while missing fundamental features

[@gibbo_303]

@@FMJIRISH can you not read? its early access, if you dont like it dont buy it

[@FMJIRISH]

@gibbo_303 It's early access at pretty much full price.

[@stevebarnett-f5o]

why does everyone just accept that to make this game what it claims to be, there will need to be 3-4 paid for DLCs?, a total rip off. I really wanted this, but no way am I spending what will be around £100 to actually get a finished product.

[@gibbo_303]

thought the DLCs would be free not paid? even if they were paid its what every single game on steam does

[@Peanutgallery69]

Arleigh Burke class