World of Warships- Schlieffen First Impressions

[@mrw3617]

I think the way the German bb line is known for being 'brawlers' the battle cruiser line fits into 'ambush' ships. Very quick and stealthy, pop up Into battle with torps, secs and main guns blaring, overwhelming fire to kill a target and then slipping away with its improved stealth and speed

[@owo5869]

Fuk up my pizza Roma once when I didn’t knew they have torps. WG need to stick to the paper. They’re just putting torps as they like right now and it’s confusing. Nelson should have torps

[@mrw3617]

@@owo5869 for the record they're 13.5 km torps

[@JohnDiabol]

I personally think it's a huge mistake not to take both concealment expert and brisk in this ship, you get your detection levels all the way down to your secondary range and while you are not spotted your battle cruiser surges forward at unheard of speed. You can outrun certain cruisers and destroyers with ease.

[@henryherold4515]

I agree. Even on the German BB line, concealment investment can get you out of a lot of trouble. And with the captain rework, secondary builds are super cheap, so you can take concealment and tanking skills on them without losing anything important.

[@saiyajinog7424]

I like having IFHE on Schlieffen, just because the dpm is enormous. Fire damage is still dependant on RNG, sometimes you only get a fire at the same time as the enemy ship has his damage con ready. I prefer more consistent damage ;) But the ship overall is absolutely excellent :D

[@allenm8853]

IfHE is mandatory IMO on this line.

[@Zeugenschutz]

IFHE is essential, the problem is the GK when it becomes a premium does not need IFHE, so Lutjens who is fantastic on the Schlieffen will have 2 useless points on the GK

[@kevinthechuker1721]

@@Zeugenschutz don’t forget it will decrease your fire chance

[@codealdnoah]

Pls don't say it's excellent, it's underpowered af. Now WG gonna nerf her

[@Diego-zz1df]

Pro tip: Take the IFHE. With all 20 secondary guns per side being able to pen 32mm, this thing really melts cruisers and destroyers. You trade fire chance, which is still random and can be repoaired, for the certainty of causing HE pen damage. Also, with the insane number of shells you're firing at the enemy, even a halved fire chance is still decent and you'll cause a decent number of fires.

[@taiko1237]

Sea lord's catchphrase when explaining BB module builds: We have Damage Con Mod 1/2 because fires suck

[@wombat4191]

Being able to run down a full HP Montana from 10 km when you yourself have effectively about 30k left counting the heal tells a lot about this ship. The armor has its weak points, which was evident when the Monty was chasing Sealord, but it sure is quite tough overall.

[@Momofukudoodoowindu]

Honestly I love the torps the most on these The zoning and power of these is so refreshing

[@xyz6106]

14:25. Roma casually saving you from getting dev struck.

[@sealordmountbatten]

The hero we didn’t know we needed

[@TheRobSJ]

I love this thing. Very first match with it was in ranked. 188k, 4 kills, and 3 of them close quarters. Just a super fun thing to play.

[@Zeugenschutz]

My first game in ranked was 301k damage I flanked and couldnt believe how quickly it melted ships

[@dwayneroberts6616]

This has become my favorite ship. I love it's maneuverability and weaponry. The torps are slow but the range and damage are great.The guns are more than capable and the ship takes damage better than expected. The secondary guns are excellent.

[@arczer2519]

by the sheer amount of shells you are pumping out 5% or 2.5% fire chance doesn't really matter that much, while you gain massive amount of secondary DPM against ships with plating above 26mm (especially heavy cruisers with 27-30mm plating)

[@Thor_Asgard_]

schlieffen is amazing! i love secondaries, they are my favourite style of play.

[@sardaukerlegion]

Just got the armor upgrade of Prinz R. I hope to get Schlieffen in 2 - 4 weeks.

[@jtcali2086]

Two things I always watch SLM for in playthroughs... Balanced commentary without the histrionics of many other YT contributers... And him always running into other players on the map like Helen Keller in a hurry. LMAO. But yeah, Schlieffen is the ship that seemed designed for my exact playstyle. The whole line is. Skirmish, hit and run brawls.

[@Mike-DuBose]

Looking forward to getting the Schlieffen!

[@shirghazaycowboys]

I'm a relatively new player. Got into.the game about a few months ago. Started with American BBs and got tired of Dreadnoughts. Switched to British cruisers and discovered a new playstyle I kinda liked with Fiji. Got to King George V who is still my favorite ship so far....or rather she was until I tried the new German battle cruisers. So much fun and I'm at the Heinrich now.

[@monssterific]

Schlieffen with 1.5 seconds secondary reload and 12.5km range with Lutjens is such a beast, haha, just like a machine gun.

[@SithLordmatthew]

IFHE full secondary full concealment build. I have 40 games in it now I had a monster carry tonight. 4 kills 288,500 damage 704 secondary hits which did 170k damage with the fires they caused. At the end I had 20k health left no heals 2 repairs vs a t10 sub and a republic with 78k health. I caught the republic and proceeded to melt him. I killed him and still 600 health left and was able to avoid the sub till the time ran out and we won on points.

[@Stinger510x]

i guess you can say those torpedoes are always handy to have up your SLEAFFEN!! hahah Sleaves, Schlieffen . . . Anybody?

[@SgtZak_]

With secondary build; and Captain Lutgens with his secondary skill. You reduce secondary reload time even more. Lutyens skill pops every game

[@charleslarrivee2908]

On Thursday clan battles, my clan paired a Schleiffen and GK on our push side during the last part of the night. Much hilarity ensued 😂The key is that the Schlieffen HAS to be paired with a GK or Ohio or other tank/brawler; having her as the only battleship on a flank is a death sentence.

[@therichards8546]

@sea lord mountbatten I was playing a ranked match Tuesday and I got double citadel in one double left mouse button click on a petrol from max range and I mean 19.6km away. I just was shocked like wtf happened? What did they do to German guns?

[@gotfrydzbouillon4191]

Best "BB" line in game. I love P.Henrich now im close to Ziten Bubblhead.

[@jwbraughton]

A div of 3 is unstoppable! Lol.. So much fun. We were steam rolling flanks last night.

[@anubhavdassarma7230]

Sea lord, I don't think taking Grease the gears and close quarters combat is necessary becoz the reload is already good and turret traverse is cruiser fast already. Take concealment, it's really what keeps this ship alive, and IFHE becoz raw damage is better than RNG fires. You can get 100% of fires but only 50% of pens back with heal so more effective dmg, plus 100k sec dmg is kinda hilarious

[@ljessecusterl]

12.6km concealment with 12.5km secondaries is hilarious. And agreed on IFHE, it's a necessary skill to max out the DPM.

[@tronicon4]

I just got my Schlieffen last night. Very fun ship

[@danielburnette9552]

GKs 420s still do 13500 damage. The dispersion is still the same as it was before. I believe the sigma is now the same as schlieffen. Ive been driving GK dunking on schlieffens in ranked when they try to push into me

[@anubhavdassarma7230]

Nope The disp was Italian and French disp before, and now its American and British disp, and the sigma is .1 better than schlieffen but schlieffen is a battle cruiser so it gets battlecruiser disp, same as Alaska, Agir, Stalin grad, Thunderer, Georgia, etc

[@wombat4191]

I don't think dispersion was actually affected at all, and the damage on 420's wasn't either. The screw-up was with the 406 mm guns, FDG's and GK's 406 mm damage was accidentally changed down from 12 700 to 11 500 because that's what Zieten and Rupprecht have on their 406's. Not sure how that even happened, since those are by no means the same guns, they have very different ballistics and all. Their naming is somewhat similar, so that might be the cause.

[@justinrobinson6965]

@@wombat4191 they use the same shells and they nerfed the shell damage overall.

[@wombat4191]

@@justinrobinson6965 Well, at least the shells do not have the same mass and Krupp value now, so they are definitely different shells. Not sure if it was the same shell back when the damage got accidentally nerfed. The naming of the shells is even more similar than the guns, with the new ones only having Ausf. B added to the end.

[@Thewarrior261]

@@wombat4191 Iirc they fixed the numbers on the GK pretty quickly because of plenty of folks reporting the nearly 2k citadel drop out of nowhere. Something for laughing at but they made it right pretty fast.

[@jagdson2701]

I usually avoid IFHE, but I have been reviewing my damage with Schliefy here and she routinely gets more secondary damage than main battery and fire combined. I am seriously considering re-speccing to IFHE to see how far I can stretch this delightful new phenomenon.

[@ShaneMcGrath.]

I'd probably do it slightly different and try out Concealment and IFHE, I prefer to push and play aggressive even if it sometimes doesn't pay off. I'm on the Zieten so far and what I have learned is you got to play it more like a cruiser should almost be in the cruiser line not BB line as it threw me off at first wondering why I was getting owned because I played it as a BB, This line can't tank much damage from main BB's but it is enjoyable so far, Unlike the new German DD line which is so hard to play especially if you have no other dd to spot for you.

[@bruhh2995]

When the secondaries goes, you know that you are the literal incarnation of Rommel's Ghost Division, just ambushing in the French Lines. Just like how you ambush ships in here like a ghost. This is my meme view of the ship.

[@Vassbakk]

what mod are you using for the musslefire effect from the secondaries

[@addisonwang7061]

Mount try IFHE on the BC line or else the secondaries are never reaching their full potential. Forget the fires, you have 1.6million dpm on the secondaries, might as well make it work. With IFHE you get to pen 27mm, 30mm, 32mm which are all super important thresholds. If a cruiser bows into you when you have IFHE, you club the man

[@xetzy5853]

great vid as always

[@dwayneroberts6616]

For me firing my primary guns one by one allows me to get far more accurate hits. Salvos in German BB have decent dispersion at medium to short range but the sread at longe range is pathetic. Try firing in a chain effect 1,2,3,4 first shot gives you range and shot alignment then you can follow up with 2,3 and 4 really accurately. Everyone wants to hit the enemy with salvos but all it takes is 1 shell placed in right spot for huge damage.

[@SithLordmatthew]

I'm getting games with 100k damage from the secondaries and fires they started in fact thats becoming the norm for me. Take the ifhe don't even think about not doing it the fire chances were small anyways so the penalty for taking it is insignificant. 300-500 secondary hits a game. This is not an over powered ship it is not a game winner either. But its damn fun its what gk was suppose to be.

[@travelwell8098]

Sea Lord...did you try it with IFHE?

[@TIPP_X]

We had this ship in CB and if placed well it rains shells all around and is not spotted ^^

[@malguskerensky]

Not going to lie, the Schlieffen probably replaced the Pommern as my favorite ship to play.

[@dzello]

They replaced Pommern overall as in they literally made the entire ship worthless.

[@sameh59younis15]

I think getting another commander for these battlecruisers with ifhe is better since you would be able to pen 32 with insane fire rate

[@DD-mp1kl]

why didn't you bother launching your asw strike at the end there? the sub was just spotted in front of you.

[@sealordmountbatten]

Panicked, wanted to be sure to get the guns off on Monty

[@SubaDrew8]

In every match my div mate and I have been in since these things came out they are far superior to the original Line in what seems like every way. Guns are way more accurate, faster, better armor. We have been blown away everytime in FDG against either the tier 9 or 10. It's almost no contest.

[@ezwider4652]

Also, what is the point of a T10 if you can't do clan battles or ranked with it? Great review over all sir, I just am disappointed.

[@robertjohnston8531]

Love the ship even though you get spanked badly if you're not very careful. Unfortunately CV's know you have limited DC parties so love to constantly hit you.

[@ezwider4652]

So I blew a bunch of Free XP to get this ship yesterday, retrained Gunther (took him off GK which I was using successfully in Ranked) to spec this ship. And so far, it's a big waste. Ship gets REKT so easy. It's not really a battleship. Armor is suspect, worse than Pommern, worse than Odin. Forget Ranked. Forget Clan battles. Random maybe, but don't think you are going to be able to get close in and take out much with these secondaries like you might be used to doing. IF you survive to the late game, then you can beat up on cruisers. As for the torpedoes, don't try to get in close to use them on another battleship. you will be blapped. If you go into grinding for the ship, with these in mind you might enjoy it more. Just don't Free XP like I did, it's not worth that expense.

[@stigg333]

Thanks for that, i was just about to do the same thing. Im just off getting the Agir so might get that and grind for Schlieffen!!

[@chris8878]

@ stigg Agir, Siegfried & munchen are the sexiest ships in the game in my opinion.

[@T.K.9]

Can definitely say that this is way better than GK. That much 2ndarys plus the torps. Geez

[@scotthendrickson9701]

bit nit picky but just an fyi German ships were described in the masculine "he" instead of "she" goes along with the fatherland in describing the country.

[@motaz1975]

ship needs a hit point buff everything else is good. as she sits, she is a cruiser hunter. she cant hang against tier 10 battleships.

[@thedakenzie6650]

Good morning

[@windborne8795]

"BC" you would think is the battlecruiser whatever but it is really "CB"...

[@JustAnotherMathTeacher]

Schlieffen was a serious issue in Ranked all weekend. Most of the maps have good islands for her to sit behind and farm her secondaries. My Hindy and Bourgogne were eaten up quickly.

[@keithw4920]

New ship, see multiples of them in most random matches but guess since people are new to it, I keep seeing it dying fast.

[@chris8878]

German tech tree = hard mode

[@doducduy96]

In my opinion the ship offensive capability is too powerful and need a clean nerf on something else to balance it. Either: 1/ Remove the 3rd turret 2/ Remove 1 set of torpedo each side 3/ 380mm guns 4/ Reducing the firing angle of the torpedo 5/ Increase the reload of the secondaries Rupprecht is also fun but you gotta play her with caution and pick your enemy carefully because the bow is 27mm. Schliffen has the standard 32mm bow, so she also bounce everything except Yammy’s shells. I love her but after 25 matches of playing her I think it’s just too much. Either the offensive capabilities (quantity or quality) or the defensive capabilities should be nerfed even more (maybe 27mm bow with some 32mm platings?), as of now I can just charge into a group of 2 BBs and 2 CLs and take out or seriously damage all 4 of them within a very short time.

[@mannyplayspoe7183]

The Zieten is so bad that I'm currently considering giving up the grind or to skip it with free xp

[@raymondtibbs7598]

Here in 2024 because I can't decide what free ship to choose 😅

[@infernalone666]

German bb line: oh, so now we're completely outclassed. Wg: oh no, komrade. We take puny gk out and put in gk clone with 457mm guns. Bb line: why couldn't you just give gk 457s...wait. How does that help with brawli- Wg: and it has one less gun per turret Bb line: how does that--well, two gun turrets were historically more accurate and-- Wg: with same dispersion Bbs: wut? Wg:and replace khaba with a stealthier ship with 10km torps. Bbs: russian bias and germany hate confirmed

[@LPnova99]

i dont get it why this ship exist in pair with gk, this tech line make absolet the Gk tech line, make no sense

[@muhatsy2455]

Why you depend on RNG to get fire instead of consistent damage ? put IFHE and sww how you gonna melt ships like no tomorrow!

[@JanKowalski-si6sm]

I have almost 14k battle. I never disgraced yourself even by one play of CV. As a santa gift I got ... Saipan. F..........

[@salti9542]

i am so sad about the main guns. and they are not exactly the same as the GK`s. they have worse sigma and less pen, making them somewhat useless.

[@MyHhobbies]

wg ether should add a new class for battlecruisers or buff the fuck out of this new line otherwise its a useless trash