SEASON FINALE Where Do We Go From Here? | Fan Showdown Season 1 Episode 9

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Major Hardware

Major Hardware

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@TheHookUp
@TheHookUp 4 жыл бұрын
Not a single reference to the "Fan-ale"? 0/10. Seriously though, fan showdown is on my watch immediately list, awesome content.
@sniper0073088
@sniper0073088 4 жыл бұрын
I think he should test at noise or rpm equalized settings for the fans. The way youre doing it is kinda useless as noone will run thier fans at 100% all the time. Also its not good to test only on a radiator. Just also commenting this here because im late and not everyone will see my original comment
@MajorHardware
@MajorHardware 4 жыл бұрын
Missed opportunity
@Narinjas
@Narinjas 4 жыл бұрын
Number 1-2-3 should remain in season 2, to wait to be dethroned, but we should have 3 more categories (120mm slim+THICCC and 140mm slim+THICCC) and the test should be with 3 radiators (1 slim 1 THICCC normal And 1 THICCC Densely finned radiator, for both 120mm and 140mm)
@Narinjas
@Narinjas 4 жыл бұрын
And he should make a website for the next season and hire some trusted people to pick the designs they like and also himself ... making 7 models of testing each weak x4 that means 28 fans each week and 7 fans each day and he scheguels what radiator test he does because he has 12 tests in total for each model considering 3 radiator types.
@accelement3499
@accelement3499 4 жыл бұрын
@@sniper0073088 you dont get it watch all of them and listen to his reasoning for this conternt this way there is plenty of space for creators if you have better ideas
@memespeech
@memespeech 4 жыл бұрын
For fairness you should've 3d printed noctua too, to get the difference 3d printing makes vs manufacturing for reference.
@whyers4782
@whyers4782 4 жыл бұрын
He already did it only a .1 cfm difference
@enlightendbel
@enlightendbel 3 жыл бұрын
Also kinda wondering the difference between a printed vs lasered (Plastic vs Resin) Since Resin printers tend to have far smoother surfaces, which makes a great difference in airflow and sound production.
@hammyboigaming904
@hammyboigaming904 3 жыл бұрын
@@enlightendbel yeah compare it to an FDM printer with plastic filament
@carrioncrow8191
@carrioncrow8191 3 жыл бұрын
@@enlightendbel I know I’m super late, but I’d like to see the winner tested in pla and resin compared in sound and performance
@sathos
@sathos 3 жыл бұрын
If the difference between injection plastics and FDM were minimal at a .1cmm then the difference between FDM and SLA would, at best, be the same if not even less so as tests go that would be fairly pointless imo.
@kaddasixseven3581
@kaddasixseven3581 4 жыл бұрын
straight up laughed at the one blade design. This is why this series is so fun to watch.
@stargazer_and_co
@stargazer_and_co 4 жыл бұрын
I was thinking of making one, and someone did :D
@yyahli
@yyahli 4 жыл бұрын
can't believe it didn't throttle
@sirmonkey1985
@sirmonkey1985 4 жыл бұрын
it was mesmerizing to watch in slow motion though..
@BlueMastic
@BlueMastic 4 жыл бұрын
Actually it was really surprising that it did almost as well as the one with 14 blades.
@levio1463
@levio1463 4 жыл бұрын
I made that one. I'm a little disappointed that it vibrated as much as it did. Could have benefited from a higher pitch angle as well, or maybe more blades all pointing in the same direction................... next time
@simenstroek7599
@simenstroek7599 4 жыл бұрын
As many have said; reduce the number of variables! If you want to go with the 3700x and test the boost clock, then you should probably pick a dbA level and spin all fans at a speed where they produce the same noise. Of course, figure out a way to get a (part of) your room at the same temperature/humidity at all times. If it's difficult to get 20c in summer, then use a space heater to test at 24c all year round. Alternatively; pick a desired boost clock and lower fan speed until it no longer reaches that clock speed under constant load. Then measure dbA. In any case - I love this show! It's a fantastic way to involve your audience and I love guessing at how the fans will do before seeing the results. Keep it going!
@Volt64bolt
@Volt64bolt 4 жыл бұрын
Oh. I thought I saw mine but i was wrong... time to submit 300 more, also I would say make a website to submit the designs on instead of email so you can sort them and also other people can look at them and vote on them, maybe make a sub reddit to do it on
@hazeyblu
@hazeyblu 4 жыл бұрын
On a subreddit, most fans would end up being meme ideas, like a dickbutt fan design or something...
@635574
@635574 4 жыл бұрын
How about a discord where be posts the data and files for each fan in a Locked chat.
@pcgaming002
@pcgaming002 4 жыл бұрын
A discord or a website is a better/user friendly idea !
@MortRotu
@MortRotu 4 жыл бұрын
I sense a squarespace sponsorship incoming...
@Moon___man
@Moon___man 4 жыл бұрын
@@MortRotu Genius.. that would honestly be a super effective sponsorship
@tin2001
@tin2001 4 жыл бұрын
You probably should use a constant heat load to test how they cool instead of a real CPU, and measure the voltage and current to ensure it stays the same for each test. A real PC has too many variables that could change from day to day.
@malloot9224
@malloot9224 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah especially Ryzen has some extreme amount of internal variables that make this very hard to use as a good heating source. A Thermal load tester would be better but a x79 Intel extreme CPU would also work as they are much less variable then more modern CPU's
@mrle0719
@mrle0719 4 жыл бұрын
Things like what gamersnexus have is really expensive though
@lotussammme
@lotussammme 4 жыл бұрын
Gamer nexus and major hardware collab when?
@tHEshAMOT
@tHEshAMOT 4 жыл бұрын
I think it would be sufficient if you would attach constant source of heat to the cooled radiator e.g. 3d printer heater cartridge at constant voltage and current.
@sathos
@sathos 3 жыл бұрын
If he is applying the same cpu load and using the delta as the metric for success rather than the actual temperature (which he is) then it is a more than suitable test for what is little more than a bit of community fun. This isnt Noctua spending hundreds of thousands on research, this is a guy in his spare bedroom using FDM printed community designs.
@qwerty-fc9ix
@qwerty-fc9ix 4 жыл бұрын
When thermal testing the 3700x keep clock and vcore constant to keep the variables to a minimum.That variability of the v/f curve based on temperature has been tested by many so I suggest you try it by the end of S2 (or do it one by one) by running blender open data benchmark and recording time spent to complete or similar...(this of course in auto mode with pbo or something to let boost do its thing)
@jameslmorehead
@jameslmorehead 4 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing. I manage an engineering lab, and localizing the fewest variables possible is the best way to compare tests. We limit variables to 3 or fewer. Ideally you only have one variable. That's what we call rigid testing, and it's the most reliable data you can obtain.
@ИванСнежков-з9й
@ИванСнежков-з9й 4 жыл бұрын
I would suggest getting rid entirely of all CPUs and just using a 60W heater. I've seen such devices that look like CPUs and you can easily attach radiator or waterblock to it. They may not be cheap, but they are sure to be cheaper than a whole computer.
@niikon
@niikon 4 жыл бұрын
My exact thoughts. I might add, make sure to monitor power draw to make sure every fan has to cool the same power output.
@JeSuisNerd
@JeSuisNerd 4 жыл бұрын
I would also add: Make sure to run this test on a computer that will be disconnected from the internet for the duration of the season and unused apart from these tests, as something like microcode updates will impact CPU performance in very sneaky ways.
@WouterVerbruggen
@WouterVerbruggen 4 жыл бұрын
For the "Math" fan, that chirping sound I'm pretty sure it is actually something hitting the shroud. Remember that the blades get stretched in operation. As you said it only happens at max RPM, and that's exactly when the blades get stretched the most. The sound is also very typical for that situation. Looking at the geometry of the fan it's likely those pieces connecting the blades are what touches the shroud. They're thin and, in the middle, free to move quite a lot. As for next season, I'd suggest changing the setup such that you can get bigger differences in temperature. You're ranking the fans on less than a degree of difference, which is very small and should be within error margin. Also testing the unobstructed airflow of the fans could be a nice test. Some of these fans that didn't perform well due to lack of static pressure might perform very good as a case fan
@SevenSevenXAK
@SevenSevenXAK 4 жыл бұрын
Cant wait for the next season, love how this series has grown more and more polished with every episode! In regards to testing with the 3700X, I actually don't think it's the best idea. The point is to measure the best fan designs based on lowest temperature. Using a CPU that is going to auto-adjust its clockspeed, voltage, and power draw at different temperatures is throwing a ton of uncontrollable variables into the mix that skew the testing methodology. Ideally the testing would be done using a dummy-heater with constant heat output, but the next best thing is a CPU with fixed clockspeed and voltage to maintain as close to equal power draw in all tests. Additionally, difference in ambient temps would have an affect on the clockspeed score. E.g. two fans that have the exact same delta-T, (same thermal performance), but one was tested with higher ambients and will have a worse clockspeed.
@TobiasKornmayer
@TobiasKornmayer 4 жыл бұрын
I agree and suggest using a peltier with let's say 50W Input, air cooler and the waterblock of S01.
@Scott_C
@Scott_C 4 жыл бұрын
I 100% agree with this. There should be a constant and high heat source. One that it would take a factory fan to its limits of cooling. Then everything will be hopefully equal.
@DenverStarkey
@DenverStarkey 4 жыл бұрын
he'd have to go back 12-14 years old processor to find one that doesn't ramp speed and voltages as needed.
@SpydersByte
@SpydersByte 4 жыл бұрын
yea, definitely sounds like a bad idea
@leobitencourt4719
@leobitencourt4719 4 жыл бұрын
I think the frequency and performance testing could come in at the end of the season, just for the top 5, kinda like how he retested the top 5 here. So the entire season could be with a static overclock, at a set voltage, and at the end he could test the top 5 at stock and look at frequency behaviours and all that, see if there's any difference.
@farbal5688
@farbal5688 4 жыл бұрын
I know nothing about 3D modeling, 3D printing, or optimal cpu fan design. But I loved this series. I loved watching the quality of the videos increase with every episode. Fantastic job adjusting the lighting and color and whatnot. And thank you for making these videos, keep up the great work.
@Tankliker
@Tankliker 4 жыл бұрын
Didn´t knew testing fans could be so interesting that we get a season 2 of it XD
@darkshadowsx5949
@darkshadowsx5949 4 жыл бұрын
know. knew is past tense. yw
@bobbobplaybob53
@bobbobplaybob53 4 жыл бұрын
Ya it’s nice
@onehourleft
@onehourleft 4 жыл бұрын
Season 3... impeller designs? Love to see people's best work pushing the limits of a DDC pump in a custom water cooling loop.
@artixx4you632
@artixx4you632 4 жыл бұрын
Didnt know id watch 9 episodes just fans spinnin
@jonathanberry9502
@jonathanberry9502 4 жыл бұрын
Should use the "silent" fan in the Christian VOLF US Patent # 1,873,853
@BillyAbshier
@BillyAbshier 4 жыл бұрын
I randomly stumbled on this channel a few months ago, drawn in by thinking the fan contest was an interesting concept. I must say, the improvements in the channel quality may have been the most impressive thing. Obvious he's invested in both his channel and in himself. Lighting, 3d printing, sound, visuals, scripts - all noticably improved in a short amount of time. 👍 Looking forward to season 2 of fan contest. As a "fan" of 3d printing and engineering challenges, I'm hoping to see this concept expand.
@vincelubbers7807
@vincelubbers7807 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe it would be interesting to spin the blades at a rms exactly equal to a multiple of the camera FPS. So the blades appear to remain in place but you still see the smoke flow through.
@TheRTrizzy
@TheRTrizzy 4 жыл бұрын
It would still look choppy just because fan speeds arent perfect at maintaining a constant speed
@patrickhector
@patrickhector 4 жыл бұрын
Or spin the blades at the camera FPS/the number of fins, so it still looks like the fins are staying in place but you get a smoother video as each fin is just moving to the position of the next fin rather than revolving all the way round
@8BitShadow
@8BitShadow 4 жыл бұрын
or attach the camera to a motor and spin the entire camera. plz dont actually do that lol.
@biggizmo6041
@biggizmo6041 4 жыл бұрын
Just not possible
@TlalocTemporal
@TlalocTemporal 4 жыл бұрын
@@8BitShadow -- Reminds me of this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eIHNmn13lMp-idk
@Yujinowa
@Yujinowa 4 жыл бұрын
This series started from playing around and breaking fans now it feels like a real tech channel nice work!
@ziffer90
@ziffer90 4 жыл бұрын
one-blade deserves bonus points for the sound design
@dhruvgulati1667
@dhruvgulati1667 4 жыл бұрын
While measuring air volume keep the meter exactly at specific distance for every reading. And also make a funnel behind radiator with output size of meter fine .
@lucaspohlmann7162
@lucaspohlmann7162 4 жыл бұрын
I'm really hyped for season 2.
@Anthony-pu4yy
@Anthony-pu4yy 4 жыл бұрын
I’m really hyped for this channel it’s boomed since the water cooled heatsink!!!
@staticv3570
@staticv3570 4 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see a collab with Gamers Nexus, since they've already done some work looking into testing fans with extreme accuracy. They've clearly shown the unreliability in testing fans and cooler performance with an actual PC and your retest as well shows that delta t can vary a lot.
@bluephreakr
@bluephreakr 4 жыл бұрын
That's a good point, actually! I wonder if he'll even see this comment and reconsider the testing in-case thing.
@staticv3570
@staticv3570 4 жыл бұрын
It's a trade-off though. Looking at a fan purely in terms of pressure, airflow, noise level, and frequency response is a lot more universal and objective, but far less engaging and much more abstract than in terms of temperature.
@Josh8432168462
@Josh8432168462 4 жыл бұрын
Instead of 120mm fans again, it would be neat to see larger fans. This would allow for more interesting looking designs on the larger blade area. Does add to print time though. Also as others have mentioned in the past, you can design fans for a slower speed and be quieter instead of max cfm, max pressure. Might be some other metrics to measure by. Also gamers nexus takes three cpu temperature variability out of the equation by using a thermal element with a fixed wattage. When testing thermal solutions.
@sniper0073088
@sniper0073088 4 жыл бұрын
NOISE NORMALIZED TESTING
@1NIGHTMAREGAMER
@1NIGHTMAREGAMER 4 жыл бұрын
sounded like lawnmower
@locutusuk68
@locutusuk68 4 жыл бұрын
I agree larger fans would be good, and what about GPU fans ? With all the new GU's coming out you could see if you could improve on the stock fans
@virtualtools_3021
@virtualtools_3021 4 жыл бұрын
@@jediii86 do you have a single fact to back that up?
@taiiat0
@taiiat0 4 жыл бұрын
@@jediii86 GN clearly states that their noise floor inside the test room is 26 dBa, not 60.
@clarencedube4853
@clarencedube4853 4 жыл бұрын
Wow! The quality of this episode was impressive and even more professional than every other episode of the fan show down. Keep up the good work 👍
@BjjjStorm
@BjjjStorm 4 жыл бұрын
I'd say these choices you're making are good, they make sense. I think an open air cooler is way better as there are more people with air cooling than water. Adding another ranking system (point) is good, means more area to 'win' for the fans. Lastly its good that we are resetting everything, gives other people chances to get top spot! Love the series, keep it up and I can't wait for season 2!!
@bobbybooker8179
@bobbybooker8179 4 жыл бұрын
The production on this 1 was top notch. Really like the shot angles
@freman
@freman 4 жыл бұрын
Retest all the fans mate, just to be sure in your methodology is the same as when you started and you haven't filled your radiator with glycol. Edit: Ah I've watched the rest of the video he did retest the top5, I'm happy with that
@TheTyisawesome
@TheTyisawesome 4 жыл бұрын
Naw that makes no sense... He already re-tested the top 5, just wait for season 2 Lol I see your edit now haha
@bobbobplaybob53
@bobbobplaybob53 4 жыл бұрын
Ya lol
@ari_wastaken
@ari_wastaken 4 жыл бұрын
Read it as it happened
@sniper0073088
@sniper0073088 4 жыл бұрын
I think he should also test at noise or rpm equalized settings for the fans. The way hes doing it is kinda useless as noone will run thier fans at 100% all the time. Also its not good to test only on a radiator
@pjaxy
@pjaxy 4 жыл бұрын
@@sniper0073088 agree that the tests must be normalized over noise. Also, the top 5 retest proved that the tests are unreliable. The Acceleron would have only ranked #9 after the retest.
@1nv1c7u5m4n30
@1nv1c7u5m4n30 4 жыл бұрын
Your format change suggestions for season 2 sound great! This is one of my go to channels when it pops up and I love this series. Allowing the testing to take place in new and varied environments and test medium(s) is brilliant. I await in great anticipation for season 2 if the show down. Thank you for this innovative take on a tech channel.
@A-Wild-Frost
@A-Wild-Frost 4 жыл бұрын
wow! the editing and camera work in this ep was fantastic. well done Major Hardware, cant wait for season 2! (featuring Dr.Evil 2.0 perhaps?)
@scooterjes
@scooterjes 4 жыл бұрын
I have 2 suggestions instead of a CPU use a calibrated heat soure like a heating element or a resistor. Also I noticed that in the end you were getting to margins of error in difference between the fans performance wise. One final idea instead of the best overall fan have design categories like the quietest or the most airflow(noise is not a concern) .
@angst_
@angst_ 4 жыл бұрын
Thumbs up for potential categories. CFM/Db, Cooling/Db, Most CFM, Coolest (both in performance and design, Fan favorite (hahaha). etc.
@Kavoriken
@Kavoriken 4 жыл бұрын
Different size categories would be nice to have for the future. 40mm, 80mm, 120mm, 140mm and maybe even a 200mm. I bet they all come with their own set of challenges.
@taiiat0
@taiiat0 4 жыл бұрын
one or mayyyyybe two other size categories might be neat, but i'd leave it at that. 40mm might be amusing and Print times would be short so throwing that one in is easy. and then maybe 140mm but it's hard to say whether it's different enough from 120 (for the purposes of the video content) to be worth bothering. 200mm would certainly be different but the Print times would be horrific so i don't think that's a good idea.
@snintendog
@snintendog 4 жыл бұрын
@@taiiat0 240mm Tulip Build we need to see it.
@taiiat0
@taiiat0 4 жыл бұрын
@@snintendog you can't even buy 240mm Fan Hubs. so what good does that do you.
@quadracycle4000
@quadracycle4000 4 жыл бұрын
@@taiiat0 We need a 305mm fan design.
@Muu_69
@Muu_69 4 жыл бұрын
In a closed case are too many variables that can disort the testing. It should still be on an open testbench. And to measure the temperature under a controlled load or heat is a much better indicator than measuring the frequency. But if you still want to do that, you should mount a CPU aircooler to a GPU. Because a GPU clock responds much stronger to temperature.
@damien8540
@damien8540 4 жыл бұрын
I agree with there being too many variables to get accurate testing. The margins are so slight as it is. Simple equals more consistent.
@crazyglue1337
@crazyglue1337 4 жыл бұрын
@@damien8540 I think if the same case fans are installed and are all locked at the same RPM will be sufficient to benchmark it. But like you said, there will still be variables, its possible if those other fans are not high-CFM fans it can have an adverse effect on how the cpu cooler ends up performing. Idk if higher CFM case fans is always the best way to go, but fans like the 1-blade will probably perform differently depending on the turbulence inside the case created by those case fans
@corlettw
@corlettw 4 жыл бұрын
In the same exact case each week the variable would be less than an open (moving) air bench
@Muu_69
@Muu_69 4 жыл бұрын
@@corlettw Maybe I expressed bad... But the casefans interfere with the tested fans. So these results are only valid for the exact same case with the exact same amount , speed and placements of the casefans. An open testbench is a much more neutral testfield.
@arrowdynamlc
@arrowdynamlc 4 жыл бұрын
this is quickly becoming one of my favorite series and channels out of the 150+ channels im subbed to
@RazeR8023
@RazeR8023 4 жыл бұрын
season 2 ep1 - return of the legend, bryce
@Thor_Asgard_
@Thor_Asgard_ 4 жыл бұрын
your production quality has gone up by alot. good job man
@curtisoneill9929
@curtisoneill9929 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for putting this together. I've learned so much from this series, and I appriciate all the effort everyone put into their work. I have one regret, I am not able to contribute, YET. BUT, I hope to expand my knowledge to the point where I can contribute, just as you and your viewers have done for me. Again, thank you from the bottom of my ❤.
@philipepala4762
@philipepala4762 4 жыл бұрын
I love how the one blade design was pretty good.
@XepptizZ
@XepptizZ 4 жыл бұрын
Even better, he edited the smoketest for it at the exact moment of the guitar SOLO
@benjaminoller8765
@benjaminoller8765 4 жыл бұрын
I've enjoyed watching this series for the fans, but it's also been great watching how much your filming and editing has improved. Can't wait for season 2
@tinkersmith
@tinkersmith 4 жыл бұрын
One-Blade-Wonder, yeah I laughed, but it performed better than I expected!
@Blackaddersservant
@Blackaddersservant 4 жыл бұрын
You put so much effort into these videos, thank you.
@Ant0nSunrise
@Ant0nSunrise 4 жыл бұрын
Use the 'tulip' for the test please. It's going to be a real challenge to fit it inside the case, but would probably look gorgeous! Also on a side note - your video editing has improved so much during the season 1, kudos to this!
@NotGabeAgain
@NotGabeAgain 4 жыл бұрын
The best part about this series? My wife doesn't understand why I'm watching videos about fans. It's great. Here's to season 2!! Keep up the good work man!
@rcaguitars
@rcaguitars 4 жыл бұрын
I think of this series as like a luffetag or soap box race where you have some real interesting concepts, some funnies and some serious competitors all mixed in
@MeteCanKarahasan
@MeteCanKarahasan 4 жыл бұрын
Man, I never knew this channel until a month ago. Since then, I've been watching your every review. This is prime time quality material. Keep up the good work and I hope this channel prospers even more!
@patrickhector
@patrickhector 4 жыл бұрын
Are you testing the CFM with or without the radiator? Would be good to specify, or even test both to get a rough idea of static pressure (if the CFM drops a lot with a radiator, probably means the fan doesn't have a lot of static pressure to push through the radiator)
@jackass123455
@jackass123455 4 жыл бұрын
you can test that with a load cell on a membrane of mesured size for example 1inch^2 1 Pound of pressure on the membrane = 1PSI you then simply mount the membrane and the fan onto a solid backing with the membrane as the "weak point" and you have a static pressure rig
@Gribbous
@Gribbous 4 жыл бұрын
Oh nono hes using CMM just to make sure his stats are as unhelpful as possible. Using CFM is for idiots and noobs... like noctua... and corsair... and every other fan maker... why would he use CFM?
@luke14fleming
@luke14fleming 4 жыл бұрын
I like seeing the evolution of the video structure. This one did and amazing job showing all the data and looking great at the same time
@azrul.h
@azrul.h 4 жыл бұрын
I really like the "smoke works" in this episode.. But will we be able to watch it in season 2..? Anyway, can't wait for season 2.. And more fans to watch..
@xeddiustripp6398
@xeddiustripp6398 4 жыл бұрын
I love how this channel has grown since I started watching almost a year ago, you've gotten so much better at editing and testing and I'm glad to be a subscriber. I'm looking forward to season 2!
@AnabolicRick915
@AnabolicRick915 4 жыл бұрын
I just binge watched all the episodes about 4 hours ago and wondered when the new episode would come... didn’t know the wait would be this short haha awesome stuff!
@jamestipton9521
@jamestipton9521 4 жыл бұрын
its been cool seeing how the production value has increased as the series has gone on. I don't even have a pc but for some reason I'm invested
@pankothompson5903
@pankothompson5903 4 жыл бұрын
Ask noctua for some of their 200mm for special challenges like maybe silent, highest pressure etc.
@k3vj00ce
@k3vj00ce 4 жыл бұрын
Keep up the good work man. This is my favorite series on youtube right now and only getting more interesting.
@beerstein7137
@beerstein7137 4 жыл бұрын
You should have always included at least the current number 1 in your tests since humidity also has an influence on the cooling ability of air
@SuperWhiteSuit
@SuperWhiteSuit 4 жыл бұрын
I've been watching you for months and never realized I never subbed, you were always just there... in the home screen... well I've subbed now, keep up the good work
@hirkstein6259
@hirkstein6259 4 жыл бұрын
You should also give the maximum "overhead" height limitation... I mean how much can we protrude from the in case cooling apparatus? That'll help for submission on season 2!
@the11382
@the11382 4 жыл бұрын
You are going to build an even larger corkscrew fan aren’t you?
@hirkstein6259
@hirkstein6259 4 жыл бұрын
@@the11382 hahaha no. I already submitted a design which is not in the corkscrew category :P
@muttons8802
@muttons8802 4 жыл бұрын
Massive props to you for the incremental improvements throughout this series. Footage looks really cool
@bacco0447
@bacco0447 4 жыл бұрын
We could design a set of 2 fans, like 1 type for case fan and the other type for cpu cooler and the set that does better wins But that's just an idea
@tmboz18
@tmboz18 4 жыл бұрын
For season 2 can we have noise normalised thermals, like an rpm where they all make the same sound. This will allow us to see if it produces better temps at a given noise levels. Also, keep the acceleron for a comparison to the best overall
@jamesnurgle6368
@jamesnurgle6368 4 жыл бұрын
that chirping can be caused by things going super sonic. seems unlikely in a desk fan though
@gagemosley8365
@gagemosley8365 4 жыл бұрын
Please keep testing fan's, this is what I look forward to the most every week. Thanks for always producing spectacular videos.
@yukaiqian9673
@yukaiqian9673 4 жыл бұрын
Season 1 had some fun "big fans" that protruded out of the fan frame. Would you publish the dimension limits for Season 2 so that we know how big the fans can get at maximum? I want to see some more big fans. Thanks!
@cagejenswift5089
@cagejenswift5089 4 жыл бұрын
Honestly surprised by your fan, fan videos 😂 I would have never thought that watching different types of fans designs being used in competition for enjoyment and scientific tests would be so enjoyable and interesting!! Hope to see it continue! The first KZbin channel I've subscribed to in the last year. If I were a bit more tech savvy I'd enjoy sending in a test of my own 😅 but I have zero experience in the software needed.
@ALifeOfWine
@ALifeOfWine 4 жыл бұрын
If you want to go all out, for each fan: 1. Normalise the fans in your case (e.g. 1 intake 1 exhaust, always running at max). 2. Run your cpu at the same voltage to keep variables down. 3. Run test fan at lowest rpm, test temp and dB level. 4. Run test fan at increasing levels of noise (+10 dB increments). 5. Run test fan at highest rpm test again. 6. Plot a graph of CPU temp over dB level. Repeat for: Case fan (test fan as intake) Heatsink fan Radiator fan This is a combined methodology of a few fan testers I've seen online, and as far as I can tell covers all bases.
@evanhoover
@evanhoover 4 жыл бұрын
^this!
@phxnklxrd7358
@phxnklxrd7358 4 жыл бұрын
This is easily one of the most entertaining and interesting KZbin shows rn. Stoked for season 2 :)
@irongiant_actual
@irongiant_actual 4 жыл бұрын
Damn just canceled my Hulu account this is the only thing I watch now can't wait for season 2
@christopherzieske7854
@christopherzieske7854 4 жыл бұрын
The idea you have proposed for season 2 is perfect. I agree with your logic in doing this type of test, and look forward to watching.
@MxSheep
@MxSheep 4 жыл бұрын
Can we have some side awards? Like most quiet Fan.. most esthetic Fan (Tulip fan imho). Highest cmm (although you haven't tested them for most).
@testing1567
@testing1567 4 жыл бұрын
It would be kind of cool to have a second top five leaderboard for the quietest fans without thermal throttling. Having a secondary goal other than most air flow would be cool and my inspire more unique designs.
@QGMODS
@QGMODS 4 жыл бұрын
i wonder what results we would get if we had a official 3d model of the noctua, but 3d printed. How it would differ from the retail one?
@calvinthedestroyer
@calvinthedestroyer 4 жыл бұрын
Congratulations Thomas!!! All that stuff sounds fine, I can't wait for season 2. Thought, you can make your outtro long and show clips of past fans.
@malloot9224
@malloot9224 4 жыл бұрын
My ideas for season 2 1: exaggerate the difference by using a 200W+ CPU (maybe bulldozer) with a slightly underpowered air cooler. 2: use a 140mm 3000rpm noctua industrial and test at 1000, 2000 and 3000rpm (or exact pwm settings) 3: use an enclosed case 4: use a single cpu seating for all of the tests, maybe you already did that? Can't wait to see season 2!
@LizardHunter777
@LizardHunter777 4 жыл бұрын
This channel is getting quality! keep it up man, loving the content.
@michaelh.9686
@michaelh.9686 4 жыл бұрын
So the limiting factor on the RPM of these fans is the torque of the “engine” spinning them. Perhaps find a fan engine that you can set the RPM dispite having heavier fans? This way we can try to find the most optimum fan for that specific RPM. The beautiful compressor design that was massive could have outperformed some other fans if it had decent RPM but it was just too heavy to achieve sufficient RPM for its optimum performance. OR find another constraints to add for us to work with other than geometry/weight of the fan. This way we can learn more about what makes a better fan at specific RPMs, number of fan blades, different sizes or different weights. You could change this constraint for each season of the show moving forward. I think we could see more competitive designs if more was known about the constraints other than geometrical limits of the platform. It’s just an idea, but I think I’d be a cool change to see TL;DR choose an RPM for all fans to run, change the size of the fan platform, choose the number of fan blades, or create another constraint for the fans we make. This could result in more competitive designs
@Stormclowe
@Stormclowe 4 жыл бұрын
It would also significantly reduce the "fun factor"
@michaelh.9686
@michaelh.9686 4 жыл бұрын
I disagree. Setting an RPM for all fans to run jut makes it a more competitive event. The fans themselves can still be off the walls wacko if they want. And besides choosing the number of fan blades, any one of these constraints don’t limit what we can design
@ethansloss6854
@ethansloss6854 4 жыл бұрын
The weight of the fan doesn’t affect the the max RPM. Letting the motor run at full power and unlimited RPM is the fairest way to test. That way you’re testing the efficiency of the fan.
@movercast
@movercast 4 жыл бұрын
Straight up, the production of this video was top notch. Great video and audio! I would love to see a Spectrogram added in to your testing to help us get a sense of the audio fingerprint of each fan.
@adaliszk
@adaliszk 4 жыл бұрын
Season 2: Hey guys, I've added an airflow chamber to the testing suite!
@GooseGosselin
@GooseGosselin 4 жыл бұрын
Seriously awesome channel, thanks man. Congrats to Thomas, looking forward to season 2!!
@OzMuGu
@OzMuGu 4 жыл бұрын
is there any news about acceleron? i thought it was getting licenced by some company and mass produced.
@xWood4000
@xWood4000 4 жыл бұрын
It's a maybe, may never come to market. And companies can develop products for years and getting from prototype to mass producing can take a long time
@OzMuGu
@OzMuGu 4 жыл бұрын
@@xWood4000 i know some stuff about product development, i am a mechanical engineer myself. they should have schematics in hand as if they have contacted to the designer of acceleron. they might try to improve it a bit and it shouldn't take much time to do a couple changes. it takes 1 to 4 weeks (depending on the volume) to start mass produce these kind of things after you have some working prototypes. as we can see acceleron is already pretty good at doing its job, i doubt it would take long to start mass producing them. distributing however is a bit different, especially in current condition.
@xWood4000
@xWood4000 4 жыл бұрын
@@OzMuGu Yeah, you are definitely more knowledgeable then. I think there could be some delay related to green lighting it, it's a new development path so contracts have to be made and so forth
@TheGreatestJuJu
@TheGreatestJuJu 4 жыл бұрын
Always giving the ‘fans’ what they want. Looking forward to season 2
@AndreasIndustriePro
@AndreasIndustriePro 4 жыл бұрын
you say "if i do say so myself" when you compliment YOURSELF
@unicornoperator
@unicornoperator 4 жыл бұрын
best showdown yet. Great camera work and lighting. love it
@lio1234234
@lio1234234 4 жыл бұрын
One fan being tested for case cooling (I.e airflow), and another being used for the cpu heatsink. That would be amazing 😉 Also, can we send .3mf files? They are far superior. :)
@loganc2334
@loganc2334 4 жыл бұрын
I like the current setup for fan testing, particularly when compared to testing in a case. Once you put the cooler in a case you'll be limited to testing how well that case and/or case fan setup can get air to the cooler rather than the total performance of the tested fan. Keep up the great work, James.
@projectc1rca048
@projectc1rca048 4 жыл бұрын
Great video as always and I am all in on your ideas for season 2 of the fan showdown series man. Factoring in the Ryzen 7 3700X's frequencies dependence on temperatures with air cooling this time around will be interesting for sure. I can not wait for the first video and how peoples fan designs will fair. Appreciate all the tedious testing and hard work that goes into making these kinds of videos. The main reason I like watching your content is because no one else is doing it and it is creative as well. Keep up the great content!
@mr_wenzday
@mr_wenzday 4 жыл бұрын
Holy cow! Nice camera shots with the smoke! Freakin epic with the guitar and drums
@Aluminator82
@Aluminator82 4 жыл бұрын
You are awesome, loved to follow the fanseries!! Looking forward for season 2!! Greetings from a fan-less fan!
@turtledruid464
@turtledruid464 4 жыл бұрын
The color grading in this video already looks better. You're doing a great job!
@Bluewingsniper92
@Bluewingsniper92 4 жыл бұрын
Love how the smoke travels on the table.
@AHSEN.
@AHSEN. 4 жыл бұрын
The smoke slithering along the ground/table was a really great addition! Really demonstrates the turbulence very well, and defenitely should be used for future fans testing!
@samuelrakic6924
@samuelrakic6924 3 жыл бұрын
Only just discovered this series... and I LOVE it!!!! Well done, good job - I’m digging your humble approach. Earned a new sub 👍🏻👍🏻
@andthen0170
@andthen0170 4 жыл бұрын
Why did I subscribe to this channel and why do I like watching these videos?? For some reason I enjoy this stuff even though it has nothing to do with my other interests... Anyway thanks for the content... very good quality and I’ll keep supporting you!
@Cjbarker2
@Cjbarker2 4 жыл бұрын
Loved the solo on the One Blade Wonder! Could not have been better! Great content, per usual.
@shayanthis
@shayanthis 4 жыл бұрын
I'm amped for season two. Season one was great and your dedication to iterative improvements to the testing method was impressive.
@tyrdchaos
@tyrdchaos 4 жыл бұрын
How is this channel not more popular? Awesome stuff James. I definitely think the 3700x and boost clocks will add another metric to look at which people will find important.
@shaneeslick
@shaneeslick 4 жыл бұрын
G'day Major, There were some really cool Ideas in the competition & an Awesome job you have done to give viewers this platform to express themselves 😁, Congratulations to Thomas for winning Season 1, I am very excited to see where Season 2 takes us on this Crazy Imaginative Ride 🥰
@furank_i
@furank_i 4 жыл бұрын
Definitely appreciate the increasing quality in each of your videos! Just don't clear the leaderboard, just put it somewhere else where we can see it and make space for season 2's leaderboard
@DMSparky
@DMSparky 4 жыл бұрын
Hey man I hope the fan showdown hasn’t become a drag, take a break between seasons! I’m sure it’s a lot of work. There was a good suggestion to setup a subreddit or discord server to submit fan fans. I also want to say I really appreciate all the time and effort you put into these videos they are really great! It’s always nice to watch intelligent people work!
@markzaikov456
@markzaikov456 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for all the effort, and kudos for keeping on improving!
@ShaneHerald
@ShaneHerald 4 жыл бұрын
this fan showdown is just cool as hell man ....
@Matthew_Lang
@Matthew_Lang 4 жыл бұрын
I could tell the video quality has changed a bit before your ad spot. Looking good! As far as the testing goes, and switching over to an air cooler, my only suggestion would be retest the top 5 (maybe top 6, because I want to see what that thing looks like inside a case) Keep up the great work! This is definitely a fun series to watch.
@philipgeorge1253
@philipgeorge1253 4 жыл бұрын
I think if you did everything in resin the fans will look cooler and maybe give better results
@douglasmale4010
@douglasmale4010 4 жыл бұрын
Was very interesting to watch all of these,another stat that would also be interesting to see would be static preasure of these fans
@Keaton.
@Keaton. 4 жыл бұрын
Hey, @Major Hardware, can you try something? Try to print the noctua original blade to check the difference between it and the real one.
@Tdogg425
@Tdogg425 4 жыл бұрын
Dude this show is the best thing ever! So unique and collaborative. Can't wait for season 2!!!
@greenwavemonster
@greenwavemonster 4 жыл бұрын
I really like how you start to experience more and more with the editing Also i think testing in a case is cooler, because you'll see how it would actually look IRL
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