Seattle's new app-based delivery ordinance goes into effect Saturday

[@dfandrich85]

One of many reasons I moved out of the Seattle City limits. Too many taxes and fees. I still work in the city but will no longer live there.

[@wadestrizic8447]

Maybe it's time to realize that restaurant delivery services aren't sustainable. Maybe people need to get up and go get their own food. We stopped when the fees were regularly $8 to $10 dollars not counting tip. I can't even imagine the fees now. I get it, the drivers deserve a living wage but maybe the average person won't be willing to pay $15 plus tip just for the delivery alone. I know we definitely will not and have not. We won't use online ordering apps either when we pick up because of the added fees. Convenience has its limits for us in this crazy inflation.

[@mauserdave]

Here in Washington most the statements that have "Seattle " in them usually start with the Idiots In

[@EricaGamet]

I'm all for people getting paid what they're worth, but I'm a freelancer and have been for 25 years. There's no minimum guarantee, no health insurance provided... so I don't understand why "gig workers," (which I think is what I'd call myself) get a special carve-out from the city. They aren't employees anymore than I am. No one has been able to provide a good answer what sets that work apart from a freelance artist or person who owns a one-man handyman business, for example.

[@MK_ULTRA420]

"No one has been able to provide a good answer what sets that work apart from a freelance artist or person who owns a one-man handyman business, for example." It's called a LLC, and it's vital for making sure you don't throw good money after bad when you can use other people's money (banks & government) instead. If this isn't a problem for you then don't bother spending extra time and money for an LLC.

[@Hamled]

Because in the terminology of freelancing these delivery drivers have a maximum potential client base of 2 or 3 and effectively get all of their contracts from those clients, who also set the terms and operate a business entirely based on this contracting relationship. It's a wholly different model from owning your own freelancing business.

[@margheriteottaviano442]

Why don’t you try organizing and do it for yourself? Delivery people have been organizing for a long time. Anyway, I came here to say. Why are you coming down on people that have something that you want? This is a win for you as well. This is a win for all workers. Somebody gotta be first. Don’t be so sour that it didn’t happen to you. Be glad that some people are getting treated well in an industry, where they are traditionally not treated well.

[@asongfromunderthefloorboards]

Gig workers are misclassified as "independent contractors". They are employees.

[@Mike-mp1hk]

@@margheriteottaviano442 Tree hugger!

[@shaynewhite1]

I don't care because I never order DoorDash or Uber Eats. If I want something, I'll go get it myself, thank you.

[@gdu370]

that will change with age

[@user-gq2vn1xj2r]

@@gdu370 Some of us cook.

[@zenwilds2911]

I had to order food post surgery. I lived alone back then. I couldn't even bend down to pick up food so having someone hand me food was the only way to eat. There are no services with home care after you have major surgeries. I had my surgeries at UW and was sent home despite not being able to sit up from bed on my own or stand on my own if I was sitting down. That was in the past 3 years. Multiple surgeries so I know the drill by now. If I had to pay Doordash fees on top of not being able to work for years due to cancer surgeries, I would have ended up homeless. You get a one-time $400 check if you have cancer and are unable to work in the US. Nothing else. I understand drivers should make more money, but at the same time... we have no home care services for people who can't take care of themselves. We also don't have any places that people can go post surgery to be taken care of. If you get sick in Seattle, you need to rely on knowing people who will volunteer to take care of you. I moved to the area so UW specialists could take care of me so I didn't know anyone yet. Doordash was life saving.

[@Dog_gone_it]

Ok, shayne, but not everything is about you.

[@uwone7778]

@@gdu370 how'd old people eat before UberFees?

[@oneminuteinthelifeofcaro2642]

We need a better cost-effective food delivery app that makes sense for the delivery drivers, for the customers and for the restaurants. Everyone suffers when these apps try to uphold a huge amount of money for their profits.

[@earthmama9597]

From my understanding the middle man makes the money. The drivers rely on tips. They take the time, pay the gas to deliver our food to us, at a higher rate and if we don't tip, they don't see a penny! If I'm wrong please correct me on this.

[@asongfromunderthefloorboards]

@@earthmama9597 They get some. But in some cases, it doesn't cover the cost of gas and base pay is pretty much always below minimum wage. They need tips to make it worthwhile.

[@Dog_gone_it]

I'm absolutely not happy with this. I ordered last night same thing I always order and the delivery fee was double what it use to be. Looks like I'm not ordering delivery anymore. 😅

[@trenapier206]

The fees and and taxes are bad enough that's not even counting the tip.... every time I order off doordash I'm paying double...

[@PrimalNaCl]

I expect that 40K number to drop like a rock. No amount of convenience is worth a 40%+, all-in, uplift to one's order.

[@beckyhenkel7917]

It's more healthier to eat at home! And cheaper.

[@wizkaqueefa9003]

It's either "More healthy" or "Healthier". Not "more healthier".

[@ApexConsoleStreamer]

​@@wizkaqueefa9003 wow! what would we do without you karen? I'm glad you have nothing better to do with your time than to correct people's grammar on KZbin.

[@kubectlgetpo]

Delivery prices are exorbitant! First they hike the menu price, then app fees, then tip!

[@asongfromunderthefloorboards]

Everyone in the process of cooking and bringing food to you needs to be paid. If I asked you to drive to the restaurant, buy me food, and drive it to my house, how much money would you want? Are you really going to do it for $2.25? The gas costs more than $2.25.

[@kubectlgetpo]

@@asongfromunderthefloorboards your passion is misdirected. Folks like doordash and uber have brainwashed you. They need to pay proper wages. Solution is not "fees". Solution is the right business model. Stop having your headquarters in SF downtown and paying 500K to developers.

[@chair6180]

Imagine, back to the pre-uber eat days. How did restaurants and people even survive back then?

[@markkingsford3005]

If that additional $5 fee goes DIRECTLY TO THE DELIVERY PERSON I'm all foe it, but if it's just another way to line corporate's pockets them forget it. I recently attempted to take advantage of a Postmates 50% off of a min $35 ,order and when I got to the checkout page the fees and taxes were more than the 50% I had "saved" lol. How ridiculous

[@chipbower361]

All my food apps and accounts have been deleted. I even feel much healthier.

[@JorJorBinksss]

Never using delivery services again, unistalled the apps yesterday.

[@MrGenosfly]

It's probably the stupidest service ever. These ride share and deliver services are just destroying the industry.

[@Mephistopholies]

Local drivers local owned and based app...

[@nellysrd4642]

I think that’s the way to go!

[@justinarnellwest]

I stopped delivering for these companies. I can't justify driving 10 to 15 miles and 15-20 minutes for $3-5 per delivery. Whatever fees they charge the customer they never get passed on to the driver. The customer, driver and restaurant are all losers in this game.

[@billjohnsonseattle]

If people don’t want to pay a fair price for delivering their food to them they can either make their own food, get off their butts and pick it up themselves, or go without. Food delivery shouldn’t be done at a loss for the drivers.

[@rl678]

Why would 40,000 gig workers do that job if they lose more money than they make?

[@nathanielleeson7263]

Drivers will see bigger losses because people just won't tip. Food prices in this city are already astronomical.

[@MK_ULTRA420]

@@rl678 Those 40,000 gig workers will just do some other job instead.

[@baomao7243]

And they will ! While noble in goal, it is just an economic distortion that will actually eliminate jobs that persons previously had. Basic economics.

[@ricko2766]

Glad i saw this article. I enjoyed having meals delivered. NOW I will stop ordering online for them. This is what happens when government gets into the market place. Seattle voters need to make better choices. Delivery jobs aren't for everyone.

[@jae52247]

Government or not, delivery is not for everyone, either. It is inherently more expensive because restaurants usually hike prices for delivery as these apps already charge them around 30%. If they don’t, they lose a lot of money or barely make any. So, even without including all the fees, you already pay more than what you would pay if you picked up the same order. Picking up orders is always better for both parties (customer and restaurant) if you can do so. It is either for convenience (too lazy to get out) or necessity (can’t drive or can’t leave where you are). And, you involve third parties (app and delivery driver). It gets even more expensive. Yeah. It is even more expensive because of the new fee. But, it is not just an issue because of the government.

[@starstoryteller]

Man as a former delivery driver and someone who grew up with family that owned their own business that makes me cringe 😣. This is going to screw everyone over. What should be gone after is people faking high tips then yanking it away without evidence.

[@jmnemonic99]

"I dunno, $130?" Nice reporting job, KING5. Maybe you could have fact checked what the actual difference in price would be? And did homie think that the drivers should bring him his food as a charity case? That's a luxury service for the customer's convenience that they should yes be expected to pay for.

[@Themrine2013]

no driver deserves 50 dollars for a delivery. you are high if you think that

[@Dog_gone_it]

Delivery isn't a luxury or a convenience. It is a courtesy or expectation when restaurants charge higher price for food over the app than in person. & that looked like a customer talking about 130$ vs 85$ price point for uber eats and even said himself that he was guessing. Sounds to me like you're just out here hating on.

[@benrecktit1307]

I'll order less .

[@coreyg367]

Blessing in disguise? Make your own food at home. Restaurants are about profits if they weren't they would be called soup kitchens. 90+ percent order from sisco foods which have the most unhealthy ingredients in them. I have been in the back of many of restaurants kitchens and they are all disgusting to my standards from 5 stars to McDonald's they are all disgusting. You will be a whole lot healthier and happier if you cook at home and won't feel like you are getting ripped off.

[@jarrydjackson361]

It's Seattle. They'll spend the money regardless, but complain they're living paycheck to paycheck 😅

[@pleasejustdobetter]

This topic could easily go farther. You want the delivery drivers to make a decent wage & have paid sick time so you mandate it. well if that the case what about holding all the companies and entities using "contracted employees and time limited hours" to avoid paying for benefits? its as if the concern is only for some but not others. What about all the people working at grocery stores, and gas stations who don't make enough to live anywhere near their job? And how about the delivery app drivers who may get a tip, but pass little if any to the restaurant person whos putting the order together?

[@marcuslinton310]

Unskilled labor is just that, unskilled! If anyone can literally start a job instantly, then it doesn't deserve higher pay. Skilled jobs that people have to be highly trained for deserve that higher pay. Door dash is on the lowest tier of unskilled labor, all you need is a vehicle. What grocery store worker you referring too? Shelf stocker? Cashier? Both are in the middle zone of unskilled. The real problem is people who never improve their lives after high school. I'm not saying college, there are plenty of other ways to improve ones life. But so many just go limp and let life slide by while they work at the local grocery store for 30 years. That's all fine, but don't try and have a family with 4 kids based on that life. Nobody is entitled to a family with 4 to 6 kids. People need to find a way to support such a lifestyle and expecting to do so as a grocery store stock person, well, that's just foolish.

[@kevinbabicz]

People need to learn economics

[@lte6983]

All this is gonna do is pass on fees to users and then some people will order less so drivers demand will go down. Bravo Seattle. Edit - wow the fee is $5… I was already tipping dashers that much… no way am I going to pay $5 fee and tip $5+

[@frondreadz789]

Ahh yes, mandates to address a issue that wasn't a issue. Still waiting for them to address crime but alas they will just oull out the police around the governor's office if it gets too bad. Your on your own kids

[@Herodotus__]

Those who want their food delivered to their homes need to pay up! Get off your lazy ass and get it or pay!

[@cashshinobi]

Food delivery is a luxury not a necessity. If you can’t pay then go and pick it up

[@TheeeeLastToFall]

People used to have to get out and go get their own food. Delivery is something probably only people with extra income can afford. Plus with gas prices the drivers shouldn't break even for bringing people food, that's useless.

[@MK_ULTRA420]

I've done food delivery to make extra money during my commutes to and from work, but I would never do it for a job, that's stupid unless you have a delivery truck that's designed to deliver food.

[@a9ball1]

You can claim the mileage on your taxes and it's a pretty good chunk of change. In my 20's I was a driver for a newspaper there and turned in my mileage every year and it was tax free. If you don't claim mileage then don't soak the customer.

[@laylabono4035]

Only Americans eating out for Breakfast or dinner at Restaurants stop complain and make your own food at l.Home like I do..

[@SighDown]

Uber, Grub Hub and the rest of those delivery services already gouge the consumer with their extra charges, including “service fees,” driver fees & gratuities, not to mention the extra costs on the food itself. Who do they think we are, the Bank of America? Enough is enough.

[@baomao7243]

I want to drive a Porsche but i don’t make enough to afford it. So i don’t have one. Basic economics. Vote with your wallet.

[@TwinAquarius484]

Greedy corporations simply put. Uber and doordash make billions a year by providing a platform, they can absolutely afford the fees, they are not supposed to be passed off to the customer.

[@vshah1010]

They are playing games by adding the fee and saying it's because of the ordinance.

[@robwastman4993]

Businesses don’t pay taxes and fees. They collect them.

[@raquelmascara6382]

I do use the convenience maybe once a month --

[@Knives79]

This is messed up. Things are expensive enough as it is. I have disabilities and after work I am too exhausted to go around and do shopping on the bus. I do not have a car and I rely on doordash a lot. I'm generous and give tips when deserved and when I can. My to understand they need to make money too but, they have the choice to accept the delivery or not. This is not going to work

[@MrHamlet]

Why would the city council listen to people who are so room temp IQ that they need this job to survive? This effectively ends DoorDash and other delivery services in Seattle.

[@betetete6072]

yeah it doesn’t people still order food like crazy if youre jealous of gig worker pay i feel sorry for you must suck being you

[@MrHamlet]

@@betetete6072 people aren't going to pay $30 for delivery on a $10 sandwich. But don't you worry, I've already designed a solution to remove humans from the delivery portion just like I did with automating restaurants. Why would I be jealous? There's nothing to be jealous of. But not surprised you'd use logic fallacies to defend a position you know is indefensible. But I thank you for proving my assertions re: defenders of such rules having room temp IQs.

[@betetete6072]

@@MrHamlet ok you love doordash i hear you lmao so pay the extra 5$ or you know you get credit if you pick it up.

[@MrHamlet]

@@betetete6072 So you can't read for comprehension. Not surprising. Probably why you're a door dash driver.

[@betetete6072]

@@MrHamlet im reading how much you love door dash ceo’s loud and clear. you should wrote them a letter about your 40$ sandwich 🥹

[@orderfirst8907]

Those of you who grandstand about getting your own food, must be nice to have your own car. You can't go thru the drive thru without a car. Not everyone in Seattle or its surrounding areas can afford a car. So lucky you.

[@uwone7778]

apparently not everyone can afford the fees either 😂

[@thefourcornerszone4286]

Is Instacart included?

[@joshuagamingroaster128]

Yes

[@SadAlicateJanelaDespedaçada]

0:34 😮😮😢😢😢😢😢

[@lanabyk8012]

Competition is brutal...but, what is the alternative? Communism? Socialism? What do you think?

[@originalDVJ]

To the person in the middle of the video stating "the drivers who 100% deserve a live wage", no no they do not "deserve" any such thing. Wages within a successful economy can not work that way. There are jobs for people without skills, who are new to the workforce, or simply need/want extra income. Those jobs are not, were not, nor should be lived off of.

[@skifens]

Who should subsidize those people working jobs that don’t pay a living wage ? Their parents ?

[@a.klarkeheinecke2385]

@@skifens Exactly. Young people starting out don't necessarily need to support themselves fully, but working even part time is great experience for subsequent, self-supporting jobs.

[@asongfromunderthefloorboards]

Everyone deserves to live. Some of those people do various jobs. Saying that most jobs are not supposed to pay a living wage does not stop those jobs from needing to be done and the people who do those jobs need to be paid enough to live on.

[@asongfromunderthefloorboards]

@@a.klarkeheinecke2385 I don't think we have enough teenagers for most jobs to be done by teenagers. So your plan to allocate jobs to people based on their age is not going to work.

[@asongfromunderthefloorboards]

The median income in Seattle is $52k. So *half* of all adults in Seattle are living on less than $52k. You need to make $78k to qualify to rent a two-bedroom apartment. So *most* jobs do not even pay enough for someone to pay rent. But you think *most* jobs can be done by teenagers who live with their parents? If most jobs are done by kids in high school, are we going to have high school at night or are all stores and restaurants going to close during the day when kids are in school and be open during the night? If kids are both going to school and running the city, when do they sleep?

[@PrimalNaCl]

This was a seriously short sided idea. It's very likely to be the master nuke "whammy" to the entire "industry". Rather than 40K drivers making _some_ money, now only a super small subset of that group of drivers will make the absolute minimum the new law will allow w/no provision for extra outside more deliveries/hours. Because the additional cost here prices out all but the most well-heeled. Tips? Yeah, no. If you are one of those entitled 'I deserve a tip just because' types, find some extra large quantities of 'copium'. That horse just got decapitated and a stake driven through its heart. And with the attrition due to the costs, outside of even more gov't overreach forcing increases, there'll be zero of that just happening otherwise.

[@a9ball1]

This is crazy. If a person has X amount to spend, they can't spend above that. So they either order less or don't order at all. Besides if it's a $20 fee that is the minimum wage for 1 hour. I bet they will do more than 1 per hour. I'm so happy we got out of that greedy city. And I had lived there since 1975. It didn't used to be so bad.

[@asongfromunderthefloorboards]

Workers are not "greedy" for wanting to make at least minimum wage. $100k is the real minimum wage to live on in this city. People are trying to make it living on $35k or even less. Poor people are not the "greedy" ones.

[@a9ball1]

​@@asongfromunderthefloorboards that is true but there are jobs that are not supposed to be enough to live on. Delivery of food is one. If you look back in history you will find that people didn't expect to live on pizza delivery. It was for students and only part time. It's not a career. Go after the company not the customer. Who has more money? A huge company or a plan working customer who is too ill with a cold to drive to the store?

[@asongfromunderthefloorboards]

@@a9ball1 Could you please list all the jobs that are "supposed to be" done on a volunteer basis?

[@a9ball1]

​@@asongfromunderthefloorboardsI didn't say anything about volunteering.

[@asongfromunderthefloorboards]

@@a9ball1 If the job is not paying enough to live on, it's practically volunteer. People would still need a job that actually pays enough. But only 1/4 of current jobs do. You claim that people are not intended to be able to live on the earnings of most jobs. So if 100% of people need to live and 25% of jobs make that possible, what are the other 75% supposed to do? We don't have Universal Basic Income yet.

[@daniellem1838]

Welcome to unemployment DoorDash drivers.

[@Walcingham509]

Once again Seattle is an embarassment to the world...

[@irock4u222]

quit being lazy and get your own food omg

[@koraykevin3467]

Makes no sense for workers LOL thats funny come work 15 dolars per hour lets see

[@SAM-di6bb]

No thanks.

[@dameonk8597]

0:30 barf in a gag bag

[@jazze360]

deal with it. lol

[@Mike-mp1hk]

These drivers are so entitled. I cannot stand these crybabies and their tip raging behavior, I refuse to use these platforms. Good job Seattle...

[@ellemeno0]

it is by design that you would think this. the app keeps secret the $amounts. even when they charge you all those fees and surge charges they ping the drivers phone with as little as possible of an offer. $2 is what the app is usually trying to pay the driver for a trip

[@joshraczka8006]

Freaks! Did you see that thing with yellow nails and a beard?!

[@meatpopsicle1567]

Seattle is a carnival sideshow.