Tim Blake Nelson's Secret DUNE Character REVEALED!

An examination of Tim Blake Nelson's recent comments, what they indicate about his role as a spice smuggler in Villeneuve’s Dune part 2 and how it fits into the lore of Frank Herbert's DUNE novel.
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[@ChristianThePagan]

I want an extended director's cut with all of this in it and everything else that was cut out ... and I want it **NOW**!!!

[@RodneyGraves]

You are doomed to disappointment.

[@ChristianThePagan]

@@RodneyGraves I refuse to listen to manically depressed pessimist killjoys like you. I am sure that if enough people ask for it good old Hollywood greed will win out and we will get an extended cut.

[@randyd7836]

It sucks, but Denis has been clear he doesn't do alternate cuts. 😢

[@ChristianThePagan]

@@randyd7836 So did other directors, they all caved in. Greed is a powerful motivator.

[@MrSkills123]

⁠​⁠@@ChristianThePagan I think

[@Povole]

Tuek would be a good, but he'd be perfect for Fenring. "Mark him well, Feyd! *A killer with the manners of a rabbit* - this is the most dangerous kind." He'd nail this! "He calls Count Fenring *Ambassador to the Smugglers,* indicating the Emperor's interest in smuggling operations on Arrakis."

[@Gelatinocyte2]

I love that you used images from the _Dune: Spice Wars_ game.

[@mobious6340]

they should release a double feature dune 1 &2 uncut with everything we didn’t get, unrated..in theaters with an intermission in between!

[@moonborn-musti6051]

Now there goes the Count Fenring theories.

[@RodneyGraves]

He looks like my mental image of Casimir Fenring... Fat less so Tuek...

[@ZemplinTemplar]

He'd make a good Fenring too, but I also like the idea of him as a spice smuggler, potentially one of the Tueks. :-)

[@workingmamma5342]

Count Fenring is really not an essential character at this point.

[@RodneyGraves]

@@workingmamma5342 To the movie as adapted, true. To the novel rather less.

[@workingmamma5342]

@@RodneyGraves He has very little role in Frank Herbert's novels. He has more in his son's prequels.

[@1183newman]

I think not having Esmar Tuek's death in the first part kinda makes adding his son Stabban Tuek in the second part less worthwhile including. Personally i would have rather had the fremen/spacing guild dealings portrayed in which the fremen provide spice to spacing guild secretly in order to keep southern side of arrakis free from satelite monitoring. Would show the spacing guild's main loyalty to spice above all things.

[@Calico_Jack_]

Thank you for the continued in depth research. I am guessing that the "Count Fenring fans" are a bit bummed on the interviews revelations. Understandable.

[@Zaptagious]

A counter-argument against Nelson playing Tuek is when you look at the artwork for Dune Imperium: Uprising (which is based on the second movie) for both Esmar and Staban. Staban is portrayed as much too young for Nelson. Esmar looks more like he could fit the bill for the actor, but given how accurate the boardgames artwork is to the movie it's not a perfect match either. Sure, it's just a boardgame but just as with the first game, the developers were given access to visual material long before the movies release and you can see a lot of the movie closely represented in the cards. For example in Uprising there is a "Captured Mentat" card where you can see Thufir in captivity (even though he was also cut from Part 2). It could just be that Nelsons inclusion in the movie came about after the artwork for the boardgame was done, or they didn't wanna spoil his role prior to the movies release. But yea it's a bit weird with all the hush-hush about Nelsons role so long after the movie came out.

[@kkjhn41]

Out of all of those either totally absent (Count Fenring the Emperors closest most trusted friend and himself a failed attempt for the Kwiazt Haderach), or those given short shrift ( the smugglers and Thufir Hawat who was particularly close to Paul and went on to serve a similar role in educating Feyd - Rautha) the most egregious in terms of importance of power was the Spacing Guild. In the film they are just treated as Uber drivers for the Imperium while in the book they hold the greatest power of all. Without them there would be no spice trade or the ability for travel from one planet to another. The Emperor and the Great Houses would be isolated and cut off from each other, there would be no Imperium. If the Emeror's Sardukar and the combined might of the Houses balanced each other then it was the Spicing Guild that put a thumb to that scale tipping it to themselves and their ability to totally control travel in the universe. They were the ones most threatened by Paul's ability to destroy the spice by destroying the worms reproductive cycle. In the final confrontation with Paul and the Emperor they weren't even present. A complex story of political and religious struggles reduced to the hero's journey, the obvious bad guys in the Emperor and Baron Harkonnen and the real would be puppet masters of them all, the Bene Jesserit are like blunt swords to the razor sharp complexities of the book.

[@DurpyKraken]

It’s not realistic to have a 1:1 adaptation. Get over it and stop complaining. Having dune in the mainstream at all is a feat

[@roninsct7017]

..Buster Scruggs the Spice Smuggler..

[@londomolari5715]

Perhaps we will get a steel book release of Dune 1, 2, and 3 in 4K when 3 is complete. Lots of fans would buy it.

[@lsporter88]

I think Mr. Nelson was a perfect choice. I'd almost forgotten about the smugglers. That was an interesting part of the story that I wish would have gotten more light in these films. But of course the flow and especially pace nd run time of a Theatrically Released Movie is important, so I understand why Denis cut things the way he did. Still I'm so glad you talked about this most fascinating dynamic of the story. That's why I love this channel.🙃😉

[@BenHudson-zo8oc]

I'm with you fellers

[@kwasiaddae4646]

leaving out the dinner scene from the first film kneecapped the character in the second film.

[@KayFabeMedia]

They should have kept this because I was unsure who Josh Brolin was working for in Dune 2. I thought he was begrudingly forced to work with Harookens or die.

[@devilsmessanger]

I swear there is whole another movie on cutting room's floor ....

[@ralphfisher-d5j]

Thanks for your insight (as always.)

[@mikiroony]

Was the quote from the Emperor about Duke Leto in the books? Was he a weak man?

[@audio_tron]

Something tells me that we will have to wait for the Anniversary editions to get a crack at these new scenes or to have a new cut delivered.

[@70briareos]

OMG! This is awesome and saddening at the same time!

[@JimTempleman]

The "Duniverse." What a great term!

[@ZedAlfa.]

“My Lord, we only heard from our smuggler allies”

[@MusicSustainsMe]

I am happy Denis wanted to include those interactions...some of the less abstract dialogue in the book.

[@shanenolan5625]

Thanks Elaine

[@joshmcneil1086]

He would have great as Tuek, but also as Count Fenring. I could also see Tony Hale or even Benedict Cumberbatch playing a damn good Hasimir as well. So much was shot that it seems we won’t get to see. If there isn’t one, maybe we could try a petition to get Denis’ attention?

[@grandpachas1267]

"Time constraints" on such a wonderful rich story like Dune is absurd. How did Game of Thrones las for 8 seasons??

[@Stitchman3875]

I would have liked an extra half hour to show us the Spacing Guild in the film. “Time constraints” shouldn’t stop interesting elements from being in the film.

[@abdulrahimjalgaonkar1073]

​@@Stitchman3875especially when they can fold space in highliners

[@dkkeyz8815]

Yes, Dune needs a serious TV series.

[@danelamoreaux4166]

Another awesome video to you and your team. Cookies for lunch, is a good day.

[@planktime]

I think he would've been a good smuggler. I think it is also a crime he was not used ad Count Fenring. Then again Fenring is one of my favorite characters so..... bias.

[@Davepool-hs7vr]

I wish Count Fenring was not cut out of the movie

[@ianstallings]

I don't understand why Count Fenring was left out. His scheming and tradecraft was crucial.

[@wiinterflowers4277]

@@ianstallings It was beyond stupid that they left out Fenring. He's such a cool background character and Blake's a fantastic actor. The fact that he got cut and the Bene Gessirts, sorry, Space Whore Witches got more plot time is really dumb, especially given how big hypocrites they are and that's proven in the film!

[@dfailsthemost]

I bet he sang a song.

[@FIDreams]

I'm order to have This scene we world have needed an additional scene to help support it. Namely the Ballroom scene in the first movie. Without this (the ballroom) part this scene would have felt disjointed and out of place when indeed the movies where always to be a focus on Paul, Chani, and Jessica.

[@behavior852]

I thought Nelson was going to be a Navigator. Considering his acting chops.

[@ZemplinTemplar]

You never know... In a few years, Villeneuve might cast him as Edric... ;-)

[@sectorgovernor]

So they didn't plan to include Count Fenring at all?

[@shanenolan5625]

The spice must flow

[@onemoredeadman]

I would like to see Dune 1 and 2 combined and featuring all cuts included, should make at least an 8 hour movie

[@davidlewis8814]

I like this better than him playing Fenring. He just doesn’t seem like the deadliest man in the Imperium…

[@westleystewart]

As soon as Tim Blake Nelson mentioned working with Josh Brolin while on Rosenbaum’s podcast I had a feeling he’d have played a smuggler role.

[@stoicghost4313]

The directors cut of Dune part 1&2 would make Zack Snyder cream his pants.

[@wiinterflowers4277]

Blake's a fantastic actor. It's a shame he got cut from the film. And it's beyond dumb we'll never get Count Fenring out of sake for wokie points!

[@andrewmccall837]

Was hoping we’d get a directors cut but I know it’s not gonna happen

[@JarrodDSchneider]

Pirates on Arrrgh-akis

[@bigdogkool2546]

Love the sound of your voice. Wish I had it on my channel. --> "Gaming news"

[@NguyenQuangLuan802]

They more like Smuggler than the Pirate

[@shanenolan5625]

Romantic businessmen ( leto on the smugglers)

[@nfboogaard]

So sad that sooo much got cut, and even more got altered fron the book in 2. I have such mixed feelings about Denis Villeneuve 🤐

[@mistermysteryman107]

Imagine making millions of dollars to play a part that isn’t even in the released movie.

[@ChapterGrim]

Has to have been Tuek...

[@ChapterGrim]

I do wonder if Count Fenring was ever cast... 🤔

[@anthonyt219]

The movie was already long, might as well have kept the scene in

[@LordLawwritesforfans]

I’m not curious, this is not Herbert’s Dune it is Villeneuve’s version and it is an inferior version. I have more respect for Lynch now because the studio gave him so much trouble yet he made a more satisfying movie.

[@tjs114]

Agreed. Villeneuve may have done great scenery, the acting for the most part is utterly wooden even by people working their bleeps off and there might even be less dialog in his 2 movies than the single Lynch film. Villeneuve fixated on strange things, then left major events basically glossed over.

[@andresbaltimore9791]

I have to agree with you. I think the glossing over of the political forces that define Herbert's universe makes the new adaptation very hollow. I used to think that hearing the thoughts of the characters in Lynch's movie made it cheesy, but the absence of the dialogue makes the spoken word sound a little less impactful.

[@barppoots4378]

The more I think about Dune 2, the more I don’t like it. It’s incomplete.

[@agesflow6815]

Thank you, Nerd Cookies.

[@NerdCookies]

My pleasure!