SECRET INVASION Review - The Real Reason Why the Marvel Show FAILED

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[@peterbui3733]

But why 3?

[@eldeadkilljohnkennedy3946]

Marvel Studios will bounce back I mean with Loki season two it got so much bugs and Deadpool three been rated R Hard-core that means there’s still time and hope Will you be getting much welcome back Frank a punisher TV show directed by breaking bad or movie writers and directors of John Wick that will be so cool and done properly.

[@Video-games-from-Troy]

I feel bad for Marvel said to you, I don’t know who to blame the directors or Marvel does anybody have a idea

[@anikaskitchen9628]

Can you explain this, why the hibernating humans that were with Rhodey in the skrull's compound did not died from radiation exposure?

[@Hexodduz]

You missed the chance to compare the attitude of this oresident to that of the one in xmen2, plus the fact skrulls jumped from ff to avngrs, so with no infinity gems you forget to ponder what drstrange meant for our only chance among 14M... that wasn't meant fir thanos but for the outcome of phase 6, which I hope will set us bloodties and onslaught, not just secret wars.

[@stew713]

Biggest reason the show failed is because this should have had a whole phase devoted to it. Instead of just a a few episodes.

[@fracturedfingers]

Keeping people guessing for an entire phase of films and shows about who is real and who is a skrull would have been amazing and they could have thrown in little hints.

[@DarkManSonian]

The secret invasion was just fine as it was with a small story. The skulls weren't cool enough to go on for an entire phase.

[@fracturedfingers]

@@DarkManSonianNah, you do Secret Invasion for a whole phase, introduce the Fantastic Four and have their first film in the MCU and then end with Captain Marvel: Kree-Skrull War. Could have been great.

[@wcgcapone]

@@fracturedfingers Captain Marvel 1 was already about the Kree-Skrull War.

[@DarkManSonian]

@@fracturedfingers I don't see the line of that. Maybe at this point the MCU needs an entire actual reset. Wipe the slate clean and redo everything.

[@joonyaboonya]

It's frustrating that channels like these come up with better story lines than the actual MCU shows.

[@Horus070]

Indeed

[@360.Tapestry]

finding flaws is the easiest thing to do (and often fun, too!). committing money, time, people, effort, executing, managing, and delivering is much much much harder - given the behind-the-scenes problems, they really should've just scrapped the release. they could've fixed the story and released secret invasion in 2025 and i wouldn't have blinked

[@kristijan8518]

MCU has been a steaming pile of shit for years. Incorporating real life politics and incompetent writers have been the norm ever since infinity war. I used to be excited about every new movie, until I fell asleep half way through end game.

[@mattkominsky9476]

Maybe if you watched less of channels like that you wouldn't have overhyped expectations of these TV shows and movies and would be able to enjoy them for what they are. These are the same channels that said The Flash movie would be the greatest DC movie, and completely change the DCU. And then it flopped.

[@shawnwilcowski]

Because they’re fans, the writers are all some nepo cases or knew someone, they never even heard of iron man till the mcu, these are the people writing these shows , that haven’t seen other media or even other movies WITHIN the mcu, so pretty easy to follow along if you truly care but the writers dont they just want that check

[@Ksquared2222]

I loved the part where Giah-Fury walks into the Skrull base coughing to establish the pains of radiation, but when the humans are saved, suddenly the place is clean and no precautions are needed for their safety. Real good continuity

[@herbalt]

right? like, all these important people were kept at the facility for an undisclosed amount of time, perhaps several years, and they were seemingly just fine. were they being fed iodine intravenously or something? do they all have cancer now? who knows.

[@animelvr99]

Omg. I never realized that

[@PhantomCyb0rg]

Thank you for saying this!! Was really annoyed by how low maintenance the evacuation felt

[@randompeople465]

Very bad writing, i'm MCU fanatic i like every MCU film and series so far(even i like she hulk) but this show is beyond dissapointing.

[@_TheViewer_]

It’s bad writing on the show, that’s to Kyle Bradstreet. Anyway : coughing was to irritate Skrulls which MIGHT be around. + Nobody Said that they didn’t covered their lab and the place where they hold all their captives/later be revealed the Skrulls injected some to defend the radiation on their captives. Heck dude, it’s sci-fi. But the bad writing is there, overall just not on the point you mentioned Just think 😉

[@helendrew3640]

I was so frustrated by Maria Hill being fridged, always loved the character and was excited to see more of her secret invasion but no such luck.

[@Jezee213]

Same!

[@ILoveJamesFelt]

I've always enjoyed Maria Hill in the comics. In the show? It always just felt like Colbie Smulders wandered on set and put on a jump suit. Meh.

[@djulianerenbourgh4969]

Got me dropped MCU at all. I have lived through Black Widow's death, and Wanda's fall, but Maria Hill was a breaking point.

[@360.Tapestry]

and for what?? for what??? i'm glad to hear marvel is going back to quality over quantity. hopefully, they can correct course after the strikes

[@SeaUnicorn]

Yeah they made a "replacement" for Fury out of a character we don't know and never met, when Maria would be a perfect instead... Although I do like the character of Sonya, but it came out of nowhere, and has no development.

[@nikkikindinger2718]

"Is it our job to fulfill fan expectations?" YES. When you adapt a book to a show or a movie, the fans expect to see that story being told!

[@jsharp3165]

I don't care if it follows the comics perfectly. As long as it's good. This just stunk.

[@nathangasti399]

For a grounded in reality spy thriller the ending really jumped the shark. We also had Fury sidelined and got no closure on his "too old for this" arc. He just retreated to his spaceship.

[@SPACEKNOCKERZ76]

When dealing with super powered aliens it’s hard to stay in just one genre. Good or bad most of these projects will end with a big fight.

[@andrewshandle]

Even if we completely ignore the Skrull fight at the end, the show did a really poor job of being a "grounded in reality spy thriller" long before Episode 6.

[@andrewelphick2304]

It’s similar to Falcon and Winter Soldier where the really interesting ideas are touched upon but then abandoned for a superhero-ey ending. It wasn’t bad until the final episode which turned it all into a blank slate.

[@no_player_commentary]

And then hes suddenly the man again judging from the marvels trailer & its annoying I would have to watch that to know the fallout of the skrull issue.

[@benbobjam3495]

​@@andrewshandlenegative. Secret Invasion handled the spy craft genre very well. But, you'd know that if you watched the classics in the spy genre before. Spy thrillers aren't supposed to spoon feed the audience every two seconds and they did a good job keeping suspense rising until the end fight reveal

[@CoreZeroPH]

Remember, the abducted humans like (real) Rhodey were locked away inside a Skrull reactor-base. That would have meant the real bodies should have actually died long ago from strong radiation exposure (fake Fury was even "coughing hard" less than a day in).

[@josephb1884]

EXACTLY!!!!!!

[@josephb1884]

"I was abducted by shapeshifting aliens and all I got was stage-4 cancer and this t-shirt"

[@KurumaDesigns]

Well tbf they said they were kept underground, so maybe they would be better protected

[@dwayneshy9531]

⁠​⁠@@KurumaDesignstrue but also wasn't the reactor room also underground

[@Jezee213]

Great point. Since we only get a shot of the facility, it's not clear if it was underground beneath the base or somewhere else. It looked to be a lot cleaner and newer than the base but idk, it wasn't clear.

[@robertbaldwin5636]

I can describe my feeling on this show with one phrase. " Somehow....Palpatine has returned "

[@generalgaming302]

Underrated comment

[@randommf3549]

💀

[@mokeish]

Nailed it.

[@fearthefro5045]

Without a light saber too.

[@iselbub]

Seems like the Chapek effect is a root cause behind the string of less than satisfying Star Wars and Marvel movies.

[@adrianzjackson7342]

As others have said, Phase 4 should have been Secret Invasion. You start with a Nick Fury Disney+ show that opens with the skrulls collecting the DNA for the Harvest in the rubble of the Battle of Earth. You show how Fury feels like he need to reestablish his control and he is mentally broken down realizing how little he matters after being turned to dust for 5 years. Thats why he so desperate to create the Harvest so they have something to defeat any villian in the universe, and Maria Hill and Talos are trying to reason with him but hes ignoring them. Talos is also trying to explain to him how alot of the Skrulls are getting frustrated not having a home, and even Maria Hill suggesting Thanos' abandoned retirement home, and Fury says no, I need them here to create the Harvest and keep them to doing his bidding, thinking there is only a few hundred Skrulls anyway so who cares. As this is happening, Gravik and Gi'ah are gathering Skrulls together to revolt and start to plan. He sends one of his goons to start setting up the Flag Smashers and some other terrorists attacks, maybe even helping Arthur Harrow finance his cult. Rhodey starts to get wise of the situation, so they kidnap him. Fury still unaware of the scale of the situation, stops Graviks goon from setting off the nuke or releasing his plan for the Harvest to the public or sending it to the Avengers, with Talos' help but thinking that the goon is working alone with a couple other rouge Skrulls; Gi'ah's mom dies in the fight. At the end of the show, Fury is still struggling to mentally deal with returning from the Blip so he goes to SABER. Before he goes Gravik gives one final plea to him to find them a home but is ignored. Then you see Gravik and Gi'ah giving a speech, as they are opening New Skrullos and recruiting Skrulls to join them to make Earth their new home. It closes with bodies being kidnapped and celebrities, super heroes and politicians looking into the camera, some of their eyes changing to reveal that they are Skrulls and some not, so you dont know if they all are or not. Then you continue with Phase 4 as originally planned with WandaVision and Loki, etc. But like at the post-credits of certain shows, you have Skrulls reporting to Gravik on the aftermath, like at the end of Falcon, Moon Knight, Ms. Marvel, Hawkeye, every crime family in those shows has a Skrull high up in the ranks that are planting all these seeds of destruction all over the world, taking DNA samples to try and build up Super Skrulls and you see their doctors working on a machine to do it. All leading up to the end of Phase 4 with the Secret Invasion movie which runs similar to the show but you can bring in more super heroes and have them be Skrulls since it is a movie. Gravik loses but in the post credit scene you see someone from the TVA pick him up at the last second and take him and then he's introduced to Kang who wants to make him and his people a proposition and Phase 5 begins....

[@notabot0001]

This comment got me hyped for something that will sadly never eventuate

[@CRemy-pk1fh]

Woah.... This is amazing

[@UpTop.A1]

Somebody get em a pen & pad! We got billions to make!

[@chinmaykulkarni7835]

I love the pacing of the story here

[@adrianzjackson7342]

Thanks everybody! My mind is still racing about how every show and movie in Phase 4 would have been infinitely better with just this aspect of Skrulls invading the MCU. Like She-Hulk would have made SOOOO MUCH more sense if lets say the head of the law firm that hired her after she got fired was a Skrull and they were the ones trying to get her DNA to take back to Gravik to build a super Skrull?! And you dont know any of them are working for Gravik or are Skrulls until the end credits of the last episode when the head of the firm meets Gravik for dinner to discuss how his goons failed him but were ultimately able to retrieve the sample.

[@peniparker7968]

I still remember the soul crushing feeling when they announced secret invasion was going to be a D+ show. Just by saying that, I knew it was going to be a cheap-feeling, dumbed down version of what the skrull invasion was. Even with that in mind, I really didn't expect to be as bad as it was though. Also in the secret invasion comics, IMO, had Maria Hill finally doing cool stuff. They showed her being just as capable and steps ahead like Nick Fury. Throughout her MCU appearances she has been criminally underused, and she never did anything that showcased what a total BA her comic counter-part is. I was thinking "could secret invasion tv series finally be the moment they give her cool stuff to do?!"...Nope just killed off quick. Even though I knew I would be disappointed by this show, I still didn't realize how bad it was going to be. For me it wasn't the characters they used from the comics, but the ones they took out to make this a cheaper show...which felt like everybody important in the comic storyrun.

[@bad-people6510]

I did. I expected it to be exactly as bad as it was, because it's about the average for the D+ MCU shows. It's about the average for all of phase 4 really.

[@brianjones8432]

@@bad-people6510 More like all of Marvel since Endgame..... Better yet, more like all of Disney's output (Marvel, Lucasfilm, Pixar, Disney live action, Disney animation) for the last 5 years or so.

[@dadaaxel3189]

Secret Invasion should’ve been Phase 4, considering it would’ve established the impact of the blip, and the end could’ve set up the multiverse. It would’ve been neat to start the phase with the guy who started the Avengers.

[@Batmann29]

Yes! I’ve been saying this too!

[@randycrawford1132]

It was suppose to be

[@fastcanoe105]

Exactly!

[@fastcanoe105]

And a transition to Annihilation Wave from Secret Invasion would be a natural fit.

[@Deoxys911]

How could it have set up the multiverse? I'm having trouble picturing that.

[@error_4004]

The director has some audacity blaming the audience for a show that’s legitimately bad

[@katherinegilks3880]

Well, it is our fault we don’t like it, technically, but that doesn’t mean anything. Both things are true: the show is legitimately bad, and it is our fault we don’t like it. The director could have even more audacity and blame the studio, because ultimately, it’s the studio that doesn’t respect the fans, not the director. The director did the best they could with what they had. The director is just a pawn as much as the audience is. Seriously though, fans demanding respect as though they own the franchise need to look in the mirror. Nothing will please every fan. Franchises don’t belong to the audiences. The creators can do what they like. Don’t like, don’t watch, don’t whine.

[@TheSilentBattle]

@@katherinegilks3880 that’s all fine and good but when we don’t like and don’t watch it’s the studios who are whining. It’s not just MCU; every movie that fails now a days is blamed on a “toxic audience”. I don’t remember them pulling those cards in the 80s and 90s

[@error_4004]

@@katherinegilks3880 I would agree if this were anything but the MCU. At this point, it’s dedicated fan interest that keeps it running. You can argue that everything is subjective and while true, there is still such thing as a bad project. If everything was, “good,” there’d be no reference point or nothing to compare anything to. And this was one of those terrible projects 💀

[@Storm-zr5qw]

It isn’t really bad, yall just expect everything to be perfect

[@SJ-qd6ev]

​​@@katherinegilks3880 A movie or series is a product we paid for, we as consumer have right to dictate what we want and our opinion on a project matters, it's not our "fault" that we don't like a product it's the makers fault for failing to meet our Standards, you don't have to please everyone but majority. So stop blaming fans for not liking something, as long as fans aren't attacking people involved it's all justified. People don't get praise for their efforts, they get for their results. M night shyamalan put efforts in Air bender live action as well, or Velma had efforts put into it as well, but it's not fans fault they hate them, it's fucking studios fault that it's bad then it's directors fault for accepting the studios unreasonable demands. Edgar Wright spent ears on an ant man movie, but even after that when the studio started making unreasonable demands, he left the project due to creative difference and i respect him for not compromising, shows integrity. Also blaming studio takes balls of steel that not all creator have not audacity.

[@kallistoindrani5689]

I personally think the MCU has gotten so big that even the people in charge don't remember it all. Let alone the different writers who come in to write all these new shows and movies and needing to connect all those dots.

[@chriscorcoran4515]

I think Bob Chapek was a big reason why the MCU has been the way it is right now. Yeah, he's gone now, but Secret Invasion was made under his regime; Iger greenlit a lot of them, but Chapek oversaw their productions. He also reportedly took creative freedom away from Feige and forced him to work on so many projects; this would explain why so many things came out last year along with the shorter runtimes/episode counts. Secret Invasion is just what's left of the Chapek era.

[@luismarquez1650]

but it’s not like the lore is written in hieroglyphics idk how new writers makes things this unconnected

[@DarthDesolous]

I think they need to take the model from Star Wars in general. You have three Star Wars movies in a “phase“. So you had Star Wars episode one the Phantom Menace. In between episode one and two you could’ve had three Disney+ shows showing how Anakin training was going how Palpatine was manipulating the Senate And how count Dooku was getting all the independent systems ready for separation and then go into episode two. In between episode two and three, you could’ve had again three Disney+ shows all dealing with major battles of the clone wars, Obi-Wan Kenobi Anakin relationship changing, and Anakin falling deeper to the dark side. And you just keep going on like that. I think Marvel should adopt some of that and maybe not go so big so much, but tone it down and give us better quality writing and storytelling instead of everything all at once different people working on different things, and the one hand isn’t talking to the other hand. Kevin Feige’s job has to be incredibly difficult these days trying to piece together everything that’s going on at once and connecting all the dots. He does have a hard job. He needs to make it a little bit more simpler with his hands being in into everything, making sure continuity is perfect.

[@gamerlucky]

thats why i always thought keep it as it is in comic ... rather than losing while plot lines each new director or new show/movie comes.

[@randompeople465]

​@@chriscorcoran4515i hope this secret invasion is last MCU show dissapointment. And i hope echo is going to be good.

[@TheRayvolution]

Olivia Coleman and Jackson’s performance were the absolute BEST parts of that show. I hope she has more moving forward.

[@thomashelmka6438]

With such a stellar cast and excellent support its amazing how "M'eh" the entire series was. You can practically see the Accountants behind every camera cutting costs.

[@amazingmonkey886]

Except it cost $200 million. Where did the money go?

[@BoyBlunder66]

@@amazingmonkey886 The 4 months' worth of reshoots, maybe?

[@thedanieltan]

The show failed at the first step like all the other MCU stuff lately. They don't hire writers who respect the source material or the prior works in the MCU. That lack of respect means they cannot make something compelling.

[@Trix897]

I’m an accountant (by education) and I’m so dismayed that this series was so bad I couldn’t get through the first episode. I’m actually cancelling my subscription to Disney+, and I’m one of the original subscribers from 2019… The stuff that the MCU and the Star Wars franchise are cranking out is horrid, and with the $60 price increase since my last renewal (going from $79.99 to $139.99 this coming November), why should I pay that much extra for crap that isn’t even entertaining anymore? Honestly, if it was the bean counters, I’m embarrassed to be in the same profession as they are, though in a more important sector that actually makes a difference (healthcare).

[@cylonmode]

That's my biggest issue with the entire show... They cheapened every single hero by so easily giving all their powers to one person. Just really stupid...

[@m_axyn]

yeah. and the show was super fast paced in my opinion too

[@iceman7157]

You know this is comic accurate right? There was a Super Skrull in the comics that wielded all the heroes powers. So I don't see what the problem is. It's not like she is an all powerful being now. She's limited to 4 powers at a time and has to switch between them.

[@slack__]

true 100%. plus we know sometime down the line we might have to deal with a power crazy, "daenarys mode" Gi'ah or something. they've got a super skrull on the good guys' side and like... they have to address the character again at some point. the cat's out of the bag now and Gi'ah is in the mcu, with all those powers and nobody to use them with or against, so what now?! I guess I'm just a little concerned/apprehensive about how it's all going to play out - do they nerf her? avoid the topic and wait til people forget? idfk, but i really hope the events and implications of secret invasion haven't messed up things going forward. it's like that giant frozen celestial sticking out of the ocean. nothing has been mentioned since it happened in eternals and like, why?!! kevin feige needs to get everybody on the same page otherwise this kinda stuff will keep on happening.

[@vickyjadaun7299]

I think this show was all about setting up an op female superhero like she hulk.

[@NotReallyAya.]

Right

[@hugheffo]

I think you nailed it on the head about budget. It looks like in every scene there is someone asking how much money can we spend. And the answer comes back “$50”

[@theyellowturnip7060]

lmao! true

[@tbperry83]

Lol nailed it again

[@aaronhachez3753]

Yep..all the screens and equipment was off in the hospital..and really all the little things add up.

[@Akinwalesegun]

yet it cost 200M

[@K3nnyMcCormickk]

it was the most expensive marvel show with a cost of 212M, and has little to no cgi and the same goes for action scenes, how is that underfunded? The last transformers movie, which is mostly cgi, had less budget than this show.

[@chrissingleton5877]

I totally agree with you. They should have never put this show out if it wasn't ready.

[@sfkeepay]

I had zero expectations going in, loved episode 2, really like several characters, and I really liked the last scene between Fury and his wife. There was something very moving - for me - about whatever her name was reverting to her natural form and the two of them kissing and embracing - especially after the earlier poem scenes. I also really, really like the British woman/spymaster. Great actor, great character. But sure, lots of head-scratching choices. I hated what happened to Maria Hill, hated that they killed off Talos, and wished the Fury/Gravic conversation in the last episode had actually been with Fury. But then, if they’d had that conversation at the beginning of the series, it would (or should) have undermined the entire plot.

[@brianmarini4841]

It would have been SUPER DUPER easy to incorporate one of the key elements from the comics regarding skrull motivation... religious fanaticism. Having random skrulls say "he loves you" leading into the reveal of the zealot faction, symbols of Kly'bn all over, etc. It not only would have made for a great rational motivation, but given the show a relevant modern topic to build a theme upon. You could even have a post-credit tease of the actual Kly'bn. He's a skrull eternal! HOW DID THEY MISS THAT!?!

[@MrEnKaye]

Because they're not interested in good stories, unfortunately. They're only looking for large short term monetary gain. It's rather disappointing,really.

[@Fatcat1010]

Someone on Reddit pointed out that there are 2 empty, livable planets between IW and EG (titan and thanks retirements planet). The idea that Fury knew that there were livable planets and chose to keep his spies to protect earth, AND Talos knew about it. This gives so much more justification to Gravik’s motivation and also, a reason for Fury not to involve the Avengers out of shame.

[@jeanbonneau10]

Wow didn't know that

[@johnDemSoc]

Nope those two planets are probably not far enough to avoid Kree detection. Even the Guardians ship could reach them. The point is to find a planet distant enough to flee from the Krees.

[@roxtechs]

⁠@@johnDemSochow much you wanna bet the writes don’t even know who the kree are or forgot about them

[@2008topshelf]

brilliant. The worst part for marvel is that it was Carol Danvers, herself, who established the fact that the planet was empty. Its sad that marvel has gotten so big but its editing has gotten so small. Thats a fulltime job and should be why feige gets the big bucks. If he''s the keeper of the secrets, he's gotta be burdened with all this shit in his head. It would appear no one wants that job.

[@adrianzjackson7342]

Titan was inhabitable after the fight with Thanos but the Retirement planet definitely would have worked.

[@midniteoyl8913]

Show should have been Fury finding that a bunch of Skrulls have secretly infiltrated the Earth during the Blip and having him and Talos rooting them out. Then we would have found out the true story behind the Skrull - Kree war and that Talos was actually part of an advance pre-invasion scout and intelligence group. Then when Fury and whomever finally defeated Talos and his small group we get the big reveal of the pods in the basement and just how many Skrulls there are here.

[@sreenivaskamath4243]

This sounds much more interesting than what we got.

[@Estoye]

I love how SC gives actual suggestions how to fix the show instead of just bitching about what's wrong (like too many other channels)

[@girldaddividendinvestor]

That part!

[@BossKong-lo8ri]

Facts, I only listen to his criticisms because he gives his own ideas and they usually sound good.

[@dustinfocus]

I love it too. It is my returning choice. FOr me, I create "head cannon" and this channel is great and helping keep my fresh.

[@pmaughn77]

They should actually just do breakdowns and stfu about everything else. But they gotta eat I guess, till the next marvel property. I trust Feigie vision way more than.some armchair quarterbacks or casuals There's no pleasing everyone. Complain it's. A super hero show but no heroes. Complain about it being a spy thriller but big cgi battle at the end. And my favorite part is the casuals and noobs acting like marvel has no plan when they just had a big retreat and planned out the next ten years. But go off

[@slack__]

@@pmaughn77 what a comment. very brain of you to speak so brainly

[@BigTastey]

They need you Ryan as a consultant on all future MCU projects!! That idea of Fury taking down the Super Skrull because he’s always had contingency plans for any of the Hero’s in case they go rouge like Batman has is incredible!!!!

[@calico2509]

I was really saddened by the whole Rhodie reveal. He was a great character and to find out that for several movies and projects that he was a Skrull cheapens those great moments like when he and Nebula bonded over the tech for their bodies and also sad that they took a disabled superhero got rid of that. Like, at the end of Civil War, when Tony was helping him learn to walk again, did the Skrull fake being disabled? It's like his character got wiped out.

[@greywolf7577]

You can just pretend that Rhodie was only recently made a Skrull. I don't remember anything in the show itself that said when Rhodie was taken by the Skrulls.

[@djodyssey99]

If you pay attention to the details, you’ll notice that Rhodey was found in his hospital gown and couldn’t walk on his own. This tells us he had to be switched after he got injured in Civil War.

[@TurtlelyTurtles]

I absolutely agree with the idea that fury is the MCU's batman and having him have a way to deal with every power one by one wouldve been amazing

[@samuelballard3467]

Iron man is marvels batman. Fury is more like Amanda waller from the suicide squad in DC

[@TheBombasticFatRat]

Eh, whilst Tony and Bruce are similiar in intelligence, both Bruce and Fury are better strategists than Tony

[@mandarkastronomonov2962]

@@TheBombasticFatRatYes. I’m in total agreement. 💯

[@BBBHuey]

Except this Batman didn't lose his parents to a gunman in an alley...

[@amirc.6146]

The only difference is that Batman is too scared and hypocritical to kill his own villains, while Tony and Fury are willing to kill if necessary. Perhaps DC should take notes from Marvel.

[@LotkaVolterra]

I've been watching a lot of reviews to make sense of this show, but this is the first video that offered catharsis. It's the easiest thing in the world to say "bad writing" and move on, but Ryan's explanations make a lot of sense here. This show's issues are more deep-seated than its silly CGI finale.

[@bad-people6510]

Many have gone in-depth as to WHY the writing is bad. And why it's been bad in ever single other Disney+ Marvel show as well. This isn't really much worse written than the others, it's probably middle of the pack in that regard, people just noticed this time for some reason. I think the luster is wearing off.

[@fyngolnoldor4891]

Have you tried, idk, analyzing it yourself and coming to your own conclusions? Do you always need someone else to formulate your ideas for you? Ryan's analysis is in fact quite bad because he lets the writers off the hook and blames it all on MCU reshoots when he doesn't even know what or how much of the show was reshot exactly. This review also doesn't point out that the Fury in this show is portrayed as broken and wanting to give up which is THE EXACT OPPOSITE of the Nick Fury we know. Fury gets berated by Olivia Colman's character for losing faith upon finding out there's always a bigger, badder villain out there more powerful than Fury. This would NEVER break Fury because Fury has ALWAYS been the one fighting against the odds and that is EXACTLY why he made the Avengers, a team of superpowered beings to take on the fights Fury himself can't as a human. Then there's the standard Disney progressive bullshit where they YET AGAIN take male leads and basically replace them with younger, more competent female leads (e.g. Fury replaced by Olivia Colman's character, Talos replaced by G'iah). They do some version of this in pretty much every Disney+ show post-Wandavision. Other writing problems are that in a world where Skrulls impersonate people at will there almost never is any checking that various characters are actually human and not Skrull. Olivia Colman's character does it once by shooting her MI6 superior to reveal that he's not human (something which could have been done in the hospital scene with Ritsen, Rhodes, Fury and Olivia Colman's character). Outside of that, there are no tests performed, no devices invented to detect Skrulls, etc. Despite knowing about Skrulls, neither Fury, nor the US or UK governments (both of which know about them) inform anyone else, which allows Skrulls to impersonate people freely without worrying that they will be detected. Then there's the power level of the Skrulls that fluctuates wildy. Based on the Captain Marvel movie Skrulls aren't shown to be stronger than humans, they just are able to look copy human looks. In Secret Invasion they somehow have superhuman strength, such that Talos frequently performs feats of strength (breaking down doors, chains, etc.). Then they do this with the Super Skrulls too: Gravik has the super healing of Extremis and we see how easily he heals from being shot in the face by Fury (just like G'iah does later when shot by Gravik) but then, in the final battle, G'iah shoots a hole through Gravik who now dies, for some reason not being able to heal himself anymore despite having the powers of multiple Avengers and supervillains. Sure...why not...

[@toshtao1]

"Bad writing" is such a lazy excuse considering the writer of this show has a lot of credentials.

[@LotkaVolterra]

@@fyngolnoldor4891 Try not to assume the worst in people, even if they're on the internet. I critique writing as part of my trade and found the discussion around this project more interesting than my own personal grievances. Just weighing opinions against mine, including yours. It's part of the process.

[@fyngolnoldor4891]

@@LotkaVolterra Fair enough, but the way you worded your comment made it seem like there aren't in-depth critiques of WHY the writing is bad in this show. There are quite a lot of them, in fact. I would also add that in my experience assuming the worst on the internet usually lands you quite close to the truth.

[@TonyVainosky]

Marvel keeps setting up the next thing rather than give fans and audiences what we want - compelling stories with emotion, energy and consequences. That 'fight between Gaia and Gravik was laughable, literally

[@shadowofthestarsdespair]

id like to see what you want and how well it translates to a screen

[@davidmun1601]

Really? I liked it... a lot. It had enough fan service by showing different MCU characters. It had pretty good fighting sequences. What did you not like about it?

[@rorycalhoun5431]

Ironically, Secret Invasion neither told a compelling story with emotion nor set up the next thing.

[@SSGTStryker]

Yup, just further proof Loki is still the best Marvel property!

[@Terrible0x0Trivium]

A Marvel TV show is essentially a preview for a setup of a setup for a setup later. The MCU is quickly advancing toward being about as sensical and thought out as the Michael Bay Transformers series.

[@EnderDragonoth]

I feel like this series was set up at first for 12 or more episodes but got rail roaded into a 6 episode format that has to be followed. There was so much here that could be done instead and even with a limited budget. In the end, Secret Invasion, was just a check box that Disney felt they needed to hit.

[@LeoChaseTheMythMaster]

Sonia is Umbridge! I'm so happy that everyone else sees this too. Personally, while I am disappointed at the lack of big reveals, I think the show worked well as a Nick Fury show, introduced some great characters (Var'ah, Gai'ah and Sonia) and that it came full circle in a lot of ways. I think Gai'ah's silence kind of represented her internal conflict and that her fighting Gravik did work well. But the Drax arm was weird.

[@woozy5997]

Phase 5 should've focused on this secret invasion concept where the whole saga/phase we see beloved characters becoming skrulls i feel like that would've been fun

[@swimboyfree]

Great idea

[@pretty_flaco]

should’ve been phase 4 tbh… immediately dive into the post blip world, not the multiverse shit

[@morellalizziediamond]

Its upsetting. The writers arent even fans and arent watching the other shows. Great actors horrible storylines.

[@gallowayow8672]

it should have highly focused on the blip, and been designed around that.

[@nailinthefashion]

Y'all come up with the most basic ideas lmao I'm thankful y'all ain't writers

[@chikin52]

I honestly want to see one of those "Why one worked and the other didnt" videos with Secret Invasion and Peacemaker, both about aliens taking the place of influential figures

[@nailinthefashion]

SI = unexpected, avant garde, intimate PM = generic, simple, narrow minded Of course the fan service will win almost every time

[@dancingdragon3]

Love, writing, acting, realism, balls out insanity, music, perfectly imperfect people rising above their bullshit to save the day and form an unlikely family. Also - great spectrum rep!

[@JetsetDruid]

Because Secret Invasion was a boring rushed mess and Peacemaker wasn't

[@JetsetDruid]

​@@nailinthefashion your description of Secret Invasion sounds like a PR department trying to spin it's way out of a failure. However if we assume that was the directors genuine intent it's not hard to see why that would bomb - hardly what your average MCU viewer is looking for in their shows, like a wrestling match during an opera or a vegan lecture at a BBQ contest

[@ThePartisan13]

One had great writing the other didn't.

[@BSRJR]

Imagine if this show was called “Original Sin” and its just revealed the Skrull invasion to Fury. And then there was a “Secret Invasion” movie after.

[@4dwyn]

I mean, Giah was basically the modern woman. She goes both ways but plays to only her side, takes advantage of the hard work and inventions of the men to further herself, and steers clear of other people's problems. She had a more loving connection with Patricia than she did her dad. She's no hero. She's not a morally good character. She wasn't devastated that her father died. She was in it for herself and is now the strongest character in the MCU

[@surfacematter2098]

Olivia was such a GREAT casting! I was absolutely shocked and happy. Shes great! The Queen as a spy!

[@codyraboin6996]

Really curious how falcon and the winter soldier and secret invasion would've turned out had they not been rewritten due to the pandemic and ukraine war respectively. But when you're Disney and have the money and high expectations, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect more than what they gave us.

[@WiloPolis03]

Imo Falcon and the Winter Soldier was good up until the final episode, Secret Invasion was just kinda meh the whole way through. I think they were genuinely onto something with F&WS, they just rushed it all in the final episode

[@codyraboin6996]

@@WiloPolis03 well I’ve heard that one of the plot points with the flag smashers was that there was a pandemic and the vaccine distribution was being stalled in poorer areas which Disney scrapped because rich countries that developed the covid vaccine were and still are preventing access internationally. The flag smashers were supposed to be the ones stealing from countries and distributing vaccines to the poor

[@marcusgoff7347]

@@WiloPolis03They gotta start giving these series more than 6 episodes.

[@WiloPolis03]

@@marcusgoff7347 Lmao absolutely, it's like they forget how many episodes there are halfway through

[@BoyBlunder66]

@@WiloPolis03 Yeah, Falcon and the Winter Soldier had a lot going for it, but they definitely dropped the ball with the rewrites and finale.

[@KoreenaZumba]

This review is 100% spot on. I think one of my biggest fears now is that they'll say Rhodey has been a scrull since Civil War even though there's enough evidence to believe it had to be after Endgame. The MCU is so big, I'm afraid they'll break their own cannon just to make a story work. 😕 That would really ruin the magic for me. Fingers crossed they can improve from here and get back to better execution and storytelling.

[@bad-people6510]

They did. The director said he's been a Skrull since Civil War. And then implied whatever problems that creates is a mess for other people to clean up.

[@KoreenaZumba]

@@bad-people6510 the director said "he thinks" signs point to Civil War. Which means he doesn't have a diffinitive answer, it's just his thoughts on it.

[@bad-people6510]

@@KoreenaZumba And since this entire concept was created for the show he was responsible for, his thoughts on it should be pretty informed. The fact they'd do this without having a definitive answer is a pretty bright red flag in itself. But hey, whatever responsibility he can pawn off on somebody else, right? It's not like in an interconnected universe events and choices are supposed to have consequences.

[@krucial88]

His review is that of a straight hater nothing else . Since he had all the answers they should of hired him as a writer .

[@bad-people6510]

@@krucial88 Well he couldn't have done worse. How dare critics point out problems with the sacred Disney!? Consume product!

[@slospop1125]

I wish Rhodey's last scene was him making a joke about how Tony was never going to let him live this down being captured by the Skrulls, that would've been heartbreaking.

[@pgkrzywy]

That or confirmation of him being snatched post-endgame just before the TFATWS - but we didn’t get either 🙈

[@natarajitachi]

Just finished binging secret invasion today. I got incredibly excited after the first episode but excitement went away quite fast. I was disappointed and confused, couldn't figure out what went wrong. Your video cleared that up. Once again, awesome video!

[@loonyboyhatch]

“No f*** off” needs to be your new catchphrase. I need merch. Been watching this channel for about two years. That was the first time I heard something and instantly had to pause the video to press like and comment.

[@keyshawnwatkins4362]

For the most part, I enjoyed the show. I never expected it to follow the comics when we learned it would be a show and not a movie. At first, I thought Captain Marvel 2 (or The Marvels) was gonna adapt the Secret Invasion storyline since Carol has history with them. But, clearly, Marvel has other plans for these stories. And while I enjoyed the first 5 episodes, the season finale didn’t really stick the landing. Super Skrull fight is cool and all, but it felt like a rush to get to the finish line just so Marvel can move on to other projects. There wasn’t even a post-credits scene; it just ended. That’s it. It’s like Marvel just wanted to get the show over with so they can focus on projects that they actually cared about.

[@chardaskie]

Aside from Loki and Wandavision they have been very lazy with the TV shows. If this is the effort they always planned idk why they bothered

[@Xenoray1]

​@@chardaskiemoinknight was amazing aswell

[@chardaskie]

@@Xenoray1 the first few episodes were peak but went downhill quick

[@wyattangle]

I enjoyed the show as well! Could it have been better? Obviously. Was the last episode pretty bad? Yes. And is Ryan correct about how cheap it all looked? Absolutely. But I'm not always looking for movies like Infinity war. I took the parts I liked and ran with them. I loved Olivia Colman's character who was hilarious and almost every episode. I enjoyed Samuel l Jackson's character and his acting. And I really liked the banter between two black men, even if it was retconned immediately since Rhodes was a Skrull. Like Ryan said, ultimately it's still better than a lot of other TV output even if it was the worst of the MCU streaming products.

[@0fficialselena__90]

@@Xenoray1 Moonknight Is fire like I've watched that show so many times.

[@stephenmoney4722]

its crazy how the secret invasion event could have been an entire phase by itself! but they just gave it a 6 episode shallow retelling of aliens invading earth

[@andrewshandle]

Bill Simmons, Exec Producer of the initial run of ESPN'd "30 for 30" documentaries, plus a bunch of other docs for HBO recently said that there's nothing worse than seeing a really good idea for a documentary done poorly, because not only is the doc bad, but it burns anyone else from touching the topic for a decade or so. The biggest problem with this show is that Marvel burned one of their best trump cards and didn't even take the hand. Now the idea is finished and can' be done in the MCU again. The Opportunity Cost is the biggest problem.

[@Calibur1980]

Like the game of thrones finale. They create an ending that basically blows up the stair case. Now no one else can build on what you broke. A great concept is now toxic.

[@andrewshandle]

@@Calibur1980 "They create an ending that basically blows up the stair case. Now no one else can build on what you broke." Oooo, I like this analogy. Well done ;)

[@nagoranerides3150]

Hey! That scene with Rhodey in the almost empty room was shot where I work! I've sat right there watching a powerpoint about open plan offices. They must have filmed it over the weekend.

[@swhertzberg]

I appreciate how much credit you give to your staff. You may have been doing it this whole time, but I have really noticed it more in the recent videos.

[@davidwindell]

Best way to do SI would be a 45-60 min episode centered on Fury, released after each full length movie (which would each also have hints to SI). This way it could be well planned and integrated with the films while still being a Fury based arc. You could do far better CGI with the extra production time. If there would be 6 films in phase 5 you could do 7 eps of SI interspersed and released on D+. Imagine introducing Fury’s wife in a scene in the next Captain America, followed up a couple weeks later with a flashback ep telling their story. Or have an ep about finding them a home, then place Captain Marvel in deep space looking for a new planet for the Skrulls at the beginning of the Marvels. It could’ve been so much better!

[@Aalok1991]

Yes! Exactly 💯

[@Its0Smitty]

The worst part for me was fury he just seemed so powerless and weak, the other characters real shone even the moody Lt. I kept waiting for Fury to shake off the rust but he never did, he needed help to do everything and the romance thread felt cheap and thrown in. Sad..it had a lot of potential i would have rather seen a series about the parinoid agent that got choked out in the first ep. episode

[@greywolf7577]

Fury is getting older. I think it improved the show by making it so Fury couldn't effortlessly beat everyone.

[@micahchaney1904]

You are so right about this whole series being more about "telling" than "showing". I think also...Gravik should've won!

[@bad-people6510]

You think the human race should have been wiped out because one guy (and a woman we never mention in this hypocritically) broke a promise? No, I'm fine with mega-Hitler losing, I just think the starting premise should have been aborted before it got to that.

[@greywolf7577]

If Gravik won, then that would end the MCU. How can there be other Marvel movies if humans are made extinct?

[@LucasMCU]

I really wanted to find out more about Fury's character and also maybe more about what happened to SHIELD or SWORD or whats up with SABER from Wandavision but nothing about that. I was really excited for this show but in the end it was pretty lackluster

[@h8shunlou]

Your previz explanation at the end, was a masterclass in what people don't understand, and why the fans don't get what they want. VERY good job.

[@calebu2]

As bad as the Rhodey reveal was, the fact that everyone was still alive at the end cheapened the effect. If they could afford to kill of Maria Hill, Imagine how much more impactful it would have been if you saw in a flashback that they callously took on Rhodey's persona while pulling him off life support in the hospital. Ultimately there was nothing at stake in any of the replacements other than really bad retconning of post civil war interactions.

[@GrueTurtle]

Also the skrull wearing blackface as he talks tp fury about the black experience in america

[@gingerbreadmen5401]

I Even wonder how they all survive wasn’t the place radioactive? Do they all have cancer now? Like what? I have so many questions 😀

[@GrueTurtle]

@@gingerbreadmen5401 the writers didn't think about it and they'd rather you didn't either

[@ZaestraXD]

I will never be able to not think of SheHulk actively making fun of the season finale plot concept. They called out their own bullshit in advance.

[@channelsofash]

They couldn't even bother to toss a few mutant names into the DNA list to make us wonder how Fury could have kept that under wraps. Felt like we were backsliding into when Agents of SHIELD had to name drop because they couldn't get movie characters.

[@thebaddoctor1614]

That was such a good show and I'll never forgive Marvel for not letting it be a part of MCU!

[@peterling1422]

why are you so good at describing what I felt but didn't know why? I'm not sure if I want you in my head more or less...... but I enjoy it...... that got weird but awesome content

[@stellajohn4409]

I think the main problem is that they only had a few episodes to tell a story.

[@jeffjohnson1966]

I think you and everybody else is coming down too hard on Ritson for wanting a gun. He knew about the Skrulls, he knew they could shapeshift, he knew Fury was coming for him. Nicholas J Fury is one of the very few people in the MCU that would be able to get to the President of the United States despite having the absolute BEST security in the history of the world. Like Tony Stark said, "He's a spy, he's The Spy." If I was Ritson and I knew someone was coming directly for me that had a 100% chance to get me, just DAYS after an almost successful assassination attempt, I would ask for a gun as well. You can't get any more vulnerable than being on a gurney with an IV in your arm in the middle of a hallway.

[@delmarfrazier2727]

Exactly and why would he have family next to him in a foreign country, and the paranoia my family could be a Skrull and try to finish the job!

[@gr8tbigtreehugger]

He was still in medical shock: in a serious car accident, then a firefight, then an alien reveal of his own staff. No one can be rational after that without some serious support. The indomitable President Strongman archetype is nonsense - they are human beings too.

[@KaijuAKD]

You have an artist that makes something. That something becomes popular. The patron makes money out of that something, so he wants more something to sell. The patron has no idea of the craft, so he pushes the artist to an unrealistic schedule. The artist either accepts to make several uninspired, generic somethings or refuses and the patron brings a contractor to make facsimiles of the original something. This applies to movies, shows, videogames, books, almost anything.

[@tjunior6128]

I’ve been waiting on this review ever since the show ended. Well done ScreenCrush! Nailed every point there was to make on this show. I’m starting to wonder if Feige was replaced with a skrull. Because the MCU has been awful for the past few years.

[@Mike__B]

My most (un)favorite part was the last episode where the big plan by Fury was to give the ultimate bad guy all the power he wanted, all the while hoping that his ruse would be allowed to stay inside the power giving machine, and then on top of that hoping his character learned how to throw a fireball before the bad guy who had identical powers

[@greywolf7577]

Yes, the plan had a strong chance of failing, but if Fury made his plan too obvious then it wouldn't be fun to watch.

[@mediakira6621]

The Les Mis shot had me in stitches XD I love your editing mate XD

[@leed261]

Grant ward’s Agents of Shield’s reveal was amazing , the acting and storyline was amazing. I agree with all your points, I’m so over Marvel projects at this stage. I never even finished this series. Trying to tie everything into the bigger story line is making the individual projects suffer

[@nailinthefashion]

How did we even get Agents of Shield haha. I miss long form stories so much, it included EVERYTHING I love about Marvel. Powers, both magic and scientific or basic human stuff like hand to hand combat, felt unique yet connected, funny yet really depressing and cool, like, with modern resources and budgets it could be their best project again 😭

[@sonicsillies]

i rewatched some of agents of shield the other day, and i completely agree. even though this time around i knew ward was hydra, it's still a shock and the actors do a TREMENDOUS job. i cant believe we went from that to...this. secret invasion couldve been so much more

[@sonicsillies]

@@nailinthefashionright?! and it just all tied in so nicely. they had winter soldier going on at the time of some of the episodes, and it didnt seem convoluted at ALL. now we have a giant hand sticking out of the earth from the eternals, the whole world doesnt know about spiderman, skrulls are taking over, loki is messing with time, kang is coming...like, what?!

[@nailinthefashion]

@@sonicsillies at first I was in a let them cook phase, but now that they have and WandaVision is still my favourite project ever across all media I'm like hmmmm maybe they took the chaos after Endgame idea too far. Multiverse of Madness is a close second but it should be first for someone like me, yknow? We still haven't even gotten pay off for Shang Chi's rings, mutants, Mephisto, F4, Doom, Wanda reincarnated, and those are just the things I care about off the top of my head. Bruce's son, Moon Knight's mythology, there's so many loose ends idk where to look tbh. It's just so cluttered and messy unless you're a specific fan like me and only care about magic systems and even then I'm like "are you sure you wanna do that when the easier choice is right there... I like secret invasion but what was the cost"

[@leed261]

@@nailinthefashion I was thinking of the Grant Ward reveal compared to the Rhodey one . I agree with ya too

[@elsiemon]

I wonder if cobie smulders departure has to do with her recent health scares, I hope she's OK, I love her performances

[@collinmc7758]

They really sold on the ending. The series really should’ve been 3 episodes longer instead of the 34 minute finale we got. The rest of the series was actually great, and I believe it could’ve been on the same tier as Moonknight if they didn’t fumble the final episode so damn hard. 😕

[@thestarseeker8196]

Exactly my thoughts. Look at Andor…..granted, that’s a high plateau to gaze up at, but that was 12 episodes with nary a filler to be found.

[@DerekDynasty]

Moonknight had the same problem. Fell flat on its face in the finale

[@thestarseeker8196]

Gotta say I have zero problems with the finales of any of the MCU shows except Ms. Marvel (and I love Iman and the character so it’s not that at all) and Secret Invasion. The rest of them felt like they said what needed to be said for that season, somehow. Even She-Hulk, which ranged from great to absolute suck, had me rolling during a lot of that finale. I’m definitely not seeing Moon Knight especially having a bad one…

[@cheddar76k]

That ain't saying much.😂😂

[@KFXG]

Moon Knight fell so damn hard on the final episode. The rest of that series was awesome, but I still haven't gone back and watched that series again because of that final episode, and I've been a huge Moon Knight fan for almost 20 years now. The finale of both Moon Knight and Secret Invasion suffered from the same pacing problem and very lackluster and underwhelming finale after some great buildup and character development.

[@TheRealAwestBeats]

I'm highly confused. I watch the show & was absolutely blown away by how good it was! Then I get online & people are saying the show was bad. Did we watch the same show ? All the characters were compelling, action scenes were great & it barely had any humor, which kept the tone grounded. I truly don't understand any of the complaints on this show.

[@Vasharan]

My favorite part was when Nick Fury dropped into the Skrull base, pulled twin MP5s out of his trench coat, said, "It's Furyin' Time." and then Furied all over the place.

[@xdrew9999]

11:36 had me laughing my ass off I love those little comedic moments in the videos . Always gives me such a good laugh , never stop doing little bits like that even the “ your mom” jokes 😂

[@annafield3136]

Yeah I loved that too. It's honestly these little things that make me choose this channel over others.

I really lmaoed. 😂

[@gerrigarrick]

While I see what you are saying about the look of the show and more, I think the biggest miss was the emotional weight taken out with both Talos' death and/or the lack of mourning his death. His friendship with Fury I felt was the heart of the show. So compelling.. The "We did that" discussion in the car..hilarious and heartfelt. I think had they kept the show about that friendship, the other things would have ben forgiven, because we would have been so emotionally invested in Fury's journey.

[@marshsundeen]

They kind of brushed over both Maria and Talos'deaths. We kind of saw a funeral for both though.

[@gerrigarrick]

Yes, but we didn't see Fury, the protagonist, mourning or be affected or scream at the prez on the phone that Talos saved him!

[@gerrigarrick]

Ps.. I can forgive reshoots or not enough actors to fill out the energy etc.. even plot holes, if I'm moved emotionally. Fury and Talos had me with their banter, so it was a huge missed opportunity to avoid showing us Fury's grief. The love story with his wife was nice, but it was the Bstory. So much weight fell out by dropping Talos. Even if they needed the war to continue to be waged with the skrulls for something they have in mind for the future, how cool would it have been for Talos and Fury to take out Gravik together? Maybe Giah could have gone to deal with Rhodey.. and all 3 celebrated together or 4 with Olivia Coleman. The 4 of them grabbing a drink at a pub would have been hilarious. Then varra comes in and makes up with Fury there. The president could still have been the ass he was and declared war on the skrulls.. Maybe it ends with the 5 of them in that pub watching the president's wretched speech on the news, horrified because of what said speech was about to do. We lost Maria, we didn't need to lose Talos and then ignore him too.

[@modik2007]

I screamed at the TV “Fury, don’t just leave him!“ That just felt so wrong, when he just dragged Ritson away and drove off. For a moment, I thought maybe they will circle back and Talos will survive and later confront Fury about how just leaving him to die was another example of how easily he used and discarded Skrulls. But no, they didn’t, he just dead. Like Maria. Da heck?

[@gerrigarrick]

@modik2007 yeah. Huge bummer. If they ended instead as as I said above.. they could have toasted Maria Hill in that pub scene too. I'm just shocked neither death was mourned or even talked about. Maybe Fury's a guy who doesn't like to show emotion in public..get on with it..etc... but the audience needed to see him affected for the rest of the show to carry any emotional weight.

[@No1ANTAGON1ST]

Secret Invasion was supposed to incorperate the Superheroes, but they went out of their way to leave the Avengers out. We didnt even get War Machine

[@kristijan8518]

Combination of mixing real world politics into entertainment and hiring incompetent writers is what ruined MCU.

[@vn43twelve]

I like that you're shouting out individuals on your team!

[@lintonharvey560]

I wanted to love this show. There’s one area where this show may have been the best in the MCU, the dialogue. They cast some GREAT actors that gave some intense conversations. Rhodey and Fury, Talos and Fury, Mr. and Mrs. Fury, Gravik’s monologues, any scene with Sonya Falsworth. The writers REALLY gave inspired dialogue scenes. That’s what hooked me. I really feel like those are what elevates this show from dumpster juice to just disappointing. But in every other area you’re right. It’s funny that the pup used the “you can’t compare MCU adaptations to the comics” argument I’ve used myself concerning this show. But on second thought, that’s why IF the MCU decided to use the Secret Invasion title, it should’ve been an Avenger’s movie. It still couldn’t live up to the comic scale, but neither did The Infinity Saga or Civil War, and not too many people bring that up because those films still made the scale and stakes high ENOUGH to satisfy us. I think this show would’ve digested much better if it was called something else and sold as a prologue to the REAL Secret Invasion. Nick Fury was cool enough in some scenes especially when SLJ was allowed to bring a little Jules energy to his interrogations. But in many ways, he was out-cooled often in his own show by other characters. Talos was the “heart” of it in many ways. Sonya was the cold, ruthless spy Nick was supposed to be, and Ga’ah ended up being the “muscle”. It feels like Nick was just there to have a bright idea every now and then while the rest of the cast constantly reminds us why he’s really not all that cool with a bit of douchebaggery in his past. I really wanted this show to be in my top 3, but it ended up in my bottom 3.

[@bad-people6510]

"Tell me about the Skrulls that fled." "They're here." "Who's here?" That and how everything Gravick says comes off like something he pre-wrote and rehearsed in his edgy 14 year old phase he never grew out of. Or how everyone say exactly what they mean with no subtext or subtlety.

[@artemisiatheta7549]

Zygons...Secret Invasion did in six rather tedious episodes what Doctor Who, somehow, managed to do in three episodes and still manage to have an enormous amount of catharsis at the end when the Doctor gives a speech which just flat out is still one of the best speeches not only in Doctor Who but in most of media. Were those episodes perfect, no, but they delivered what Secret Invasion didn't, and that just shows that right now the MCU is kind of lost and not sure where it's going.

[@Tao_Tology]

Iirc, the 'Osgood Box' episode and speech was broadcast at/near Rememberance Sunday so the message of that speech hits home even harder.

[@artemisiatheta7549]

Yes, and that's another part of this. Secret Invasion needed to have a massive message to it, and it doesn't. It has set pieces and is setting up what's next rather than telling a story. The Zygon Invasion/Zygon Inversion two parter hits home hard because it has a message.

[@iLLiCiT_XL]

There's a lot wrong with this show, but I'm of the school of thought that if the director really feels how he said: he shouldn't come back. We don't want him. The fact is, if you step into this space, we the fans expect you to respect the fanbase, the characters, the story, and the artists that bring this work into the world. And if you're not down for that, go adopt someone else's beloved IP and leave this to people that care.

[@JetsetDruid]

Just saw that part about the director blaming fans and I agree with you 100%. My question is if he isn't making this for the fans who the feck is he making it for?

[@SJ-qd6ev]

Or if it he is really good why not make his own story,

[@zacharyjackson1829]

@@JetsetDruid himself

[@Goodgu3963]

@@JetsetDruid Benjamin Franklin. Multiple of them, that he can stuff into his wallet. Typical case of someone wanting to do something purely for the money. Hollywood, and pretty much all media has been infested by people who see money as an end, rather than a means to an end.

[@JetsetDruid]

@@SJ-qd6ev because nobody would watch I guess?

[@DeepAdhya1]

excellent video ryan!

[@Xyvorax]

The give away for me that Rhodes was a Skrull is the fact that he no longer had his leg supports after his spinal injury that left him as a paraplegic after the events of Civil War.

[@shahzebhasan9995]

Honestly, comparing Secret Invasion's production timetable to the original release date of The Marvels (July 2022) makes me seriously think that the show was meant to be set after that movie, and then had to be heavily rewritten after the delays.

[@Lissk92]

I enjoyed secret Invasion, but I do believe that that was buoyed by the performances of Jackson, Coleman, Woodard, and Ben Adir. They nailed every emotional beat and kept me invested. If they were not delivering excellent performances, I definitely would have noticed more of everything.

[@jby204]

It’s worth noting that one of the points made in this video, about the lack of a grand scope, for scenes, like Rhodey addressing the council, is why studios are arguing that they should get to use AI scans of actors. That said, I think doing that is totally wrong and they should just pony up and pay more extras, but that did occur to me while I was watching this review.

[@Tao_Tology]

I still get an uneasy feeling remembering Tom Holland talking about filming a scene where he genuinely did not know where they were supposed to be but _who else was in the scene_ because there was SO much cgi and 'we'll add that/them in later' ness going on.

[@kylespevak6781]

In a world where there's shape-shifting aliens wanting a gun for yourself makes perfect sense

[@curtcoeurdelion]

The continuity with which Disney puts out one abysmal show after the other is only outmatched by their ability of destroying every single male legacy character they own.

[@rylymbona]

I really loved the first 3 episodes of this show. Episode 4 started to worry me and unfortunately, those worries were confirmed.

[@reubenpiomartinez7306]

Slight correction, but Kyle Bradstreet wasn't the creator of Mr. Robot, but it was Sam Esmail. Bradstreet wrote nine episodes and was supervising and executive producer. Otherwise, good video!

[@conalking8739]

Love how you brought up 'fridging' for Maria Hill while Fury spent the whole series playing second fiddle to the female characters and it became the all powerful Gaia show. No name for that eh?

[@fourlightsorchestra]

211 million?! Holy cow. Those must’ve been some expensive cars they rode around in.

[@thecreator126]

11:33 I was dying when you denied him so fast lol.

[@MusicLover-my6fo]

Despite Secret Invasion's flaws, I'll still gladly rewatch the series before I ever watch Eternals again.

[@marshsundeen]

I enjoyed the Eternals. It could have worked well as a series.

[@rehanahmed6460]

EPISODE 6 GOT 7% ON ROTTEN TOMATO THAT'S ACTUALLY REALLY BRUTAL🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@R_SENAL]

Once again I binge watch a show, think it's fine, then go online to see someone else tell me why it sucked. I see your points but I guess I didn't go into it with some great big huge expectation. I also binged so I had no debate about what was next in my head, I just let the story be presented to me.

[@Tink192]

27:30 I noticed this too. During the show a news headline is saying Russia was going to attack Ukraine and one other country nearby and I had to take a second to process that cause its such recent events.

[@dphalanx7465]

Brilliant analysis! You really exposed all the various undercurrents that shaped this situation.

[@tobi807]

Kingsley Ben-Adir is such an amazing actor, sad that the show turned out like this

[@ovidiumiinea5462]

6 episodes is not enough for that kind of story... again greed has robbed us of a good show

[@RlyBadMusic361]

I can't believe this is the second project that had to be rewritten and reshot because of current events. I wonder how different Secret Invasion and TFatWS would have been?

[@michaelharig6506]

Brilliant analysis!! 🥂

[@Team974]

dude, fury figuring out how to defeat gravik by batmaning him would have been EPPPPPIC

[@BohemianGroov]

I love the seriousness of the show and the somewhat gore killings. I really hope this new all time low doesn’t motivate to insert even more silliness in future projects

[@robertcoggeshall3071]

I thought the series was fine. I was intrigued by the skrull drama, and liked that we had 2 skrull reveals. Giah is a cool new character- saw the ending coming when she was revealed as a super skrull too. Kevin went for a spectacular ending, but went too far overboard with giving the 2 skrulls the powers of almost every character in the mcu. Though i think its a sneaky way to keep all the powers in play if the actors leave.

[@dontgivetwothwips3615]

Not a perfect series but I enjoyed it and would have loved to have more episodes.

[@gallowayow8672]

we 100% will never see Giah again though

[@robertcoggeshall3071]

@@gallowayow8672 I could see her at least going off to be a hero the skrulls if they get off earth.

[@WarriorRJR]

Great breakdown as always! I liked the show. I wanted more and there were CLEAR side steps/backtracking, but I still didn't feel like I wasted my time or get violently angry (that was reserved for Batman v Superman). Thanks, Ryan!

[@_TheViewer_]

1:22 + you compare Movie and a series 11:20 I kinda get you on Maria, doh next to G‘iah and his wife plus Sonya I don’t think he needed another female support. Doh I think I would’ve left out the wife part.