“The Holy Roller” was brilliantly idiotic and the NFL said never again | Weird Rules

[@LafayetTheAwesomeOne]

You guys will want to talk about the 1998 F1 British Grand Prix. Michael Schumacher was leading the race in the last laps, when he was given a 10-second stop&go penalty for lapping another driver despite yellow flags (or under the safety car, I can't remember), and, at that point of the race, serving his whole penalty would have meant for Schumacher to lose too much time and to end up behind title-contender Mika Hakkinen (his advantage was bigger than just 10 seconds, but you know, in the pit lane you're not allowed to drive faster than a certain speed). But in F1, you have to serve your penalty within three laps from being told to do so, so his team (Ferrari) called him in on the very last lap of the race. Schumacher did enter the pit lane to serve his penalty, but in doing so he crossed the finish line (which extends across the pit lane) before reaching his pit box and won the race without having served his penalty. There were no rules forbidding this smart move (and no time for Schumacher to serve his penalty earlier due to a late communication by the race directors), so McLaren's (Hakkinen's team) appeal ended up being useless. Defintely the story of a weird rule!

[@SecretBaseSBN]

Woah....that is amazing. Thank you so much for the write up, gonna dig around a bit more but I think you gave us enough to work with for a future episode. We'll make sure to give you a shout out, or feel free to DM me on twitter (@wbuik) if you want us to credit you another way

[@robertgoldhirsch4065]

Lafayet - DTA awesome story. SBnation awesome reply/offer of credit.

[@LafayetTheAwesomeOne]

​@@SecretBaseSBN I appreciate that! Thank you for your awesome offer, but I honestly don't think I deserve any special credit. I mean, in the end all I did was writing a few lines about a fun story. It was my pleasure to do so and let people find out about such a weird fact :) I'm not allowed to DM you on twitter, so I'll write you here: in case you want to mention me (which would be a little too much, I think, but of course I woudn't complain xD), my actual name is Raffaele, but Rafa or my nickname "Lafa" are even better, and I follow you from L'Aquila, Abruzzi, central Italy. But if you really want to do so, then please don't forget to say that I absolutely LOVE this series: "Weird rules" is so much fun! PS: Of course if I get to know (or just remember) any other story with a weird rule as a protagonist, I'll make sure to let you know :)

[@LafayetTheAwesomeOne]

Otherwise, I guess 1 million dollars via bank transfer would also be great ahahahahah :P

[@CarlosISoares]

While at the F1 subject, look for Senna's record of fastest lap while using the box pit lane...

[@astrangehero]

Intentionally fumbling to score? Sounds like my love life.

[@betterwithjetter2987]

Ultra Hero damn

[@naphtalinosayame9681]

I don’t get it

[@steveasare6135]

Oof

[@SpoilerAlert__]

@@naphtalinosayame9681 think about it.

[@dominicgervasio2548]

Makes no sense. This kinda guy says thats what she said the everything bc it kinda works.

[@Crazehness]

This is one of those rules where you can just feel the commissioners pinching the bridge of their noses, sighing, and going "No, god damn it... I can't... you just can't... why does this need... god damn it..."

[@tylerhorn3712]

Makes sense that you can't keep tossing the ball forwarding, and let it be considered a fumble.

[@JonatasAdoM]

@@tylerhorn3712 Otherwise players will just keep it going and now we're playing a different sport altogether.

[@tylerhorn3712]

@@JonatasAdoM It would be much more like rugby, where the game keeps going forever, in either direction.

[@Ballin4Vengeance]

@@JonatasAdoMso technicaly football is just a version of american football where the players keep fumbling a mid-field kick with their legs until the ball ends up in the goal

[@keithrice39]

They were called "Raider Rules". They include "you can't stand on another person's shoulders during a field goal/punt", "you may not slather your entire body in stickum or any other substance", etc.

[@Razz415]

How many plays from the John Madden Raiders led to rule changes? The dude has become football incarnate. Legend!

[@felixlueggerto]

That's the Raiders if the 70s in General. Matt Millen said on the America's Game episode about the 1980 Raiders that Cheating is encouraged

[@dragonforceczar1610]

Why else would there be a football video game series named after him?

[@Razz415]

@@felixlueggerto I remember seeing that and thinking 'if you're not cheating, you're trying' basically summing up that era of football. Raiders were the bad guys and didnt give a crap.

[@dark_knight7328]

Razz415 I thought it was “If you ain’t cheating you ain’t trying”

[@TryPuttingItInRice]

@@felixlueggerto It's not cheating if there isn't a rule against doing it.

[@SavageGreywolf]

I want to live in the universe where the ruling went the other way and 'intentional fumbles' become a part of NFL strategy

[@chulyeom2366]

From ‘The Simpsons’, s3e14, “Lisa the Greek”: Homer: Who do you like in the afternoon games? Lisa: Well, I like the 49ers because they're pure of heart, Seattle because they've got something to prove, and the Raiders because they always cheat. [fade to a few hours later] TV announcer: And on an extremely suspicious play, the Raiders win!

[@heidi7151]

I think intentional fumbling should be legal. It's not a freebie guaranteed gain without risk. There is enormous risk, especially when defenses become aware of the tactic.

[@chrischris9123]

"Intentionally fumbling" the ball to make progress is nothing more than an illegal forward pass with extra steps. The NFL was right to stop that before it got out of hand.

[@heidi7151]

@@chrischris9123 It's not a pass though. When a pass hits the ground, it's incomplete and the play is dead. When a fumble hits the ground, anyone can grab it.

[@chrischris9123]

@@heidi7151 That's exactly what I'm saying. Intentionally or unintentionally tossing/throwing/fumbling the ball forward in the hopes it goes to your teammates is an illegal pass. Bouncing it off the ground is the extra step. As soon as it hits the ground, it should be considered an incomplete pass. What you're asking is to get rid of incomplete passes, and replace them with "intentional fumbles." That's kinda ridiculous and destroys strategy at the end of tight games. And not just for teams who are down. If you're ahead by less than a score, you could run the clock down on 4th down with a charade of "intentional fumbles" instead of punting. That sounds like schoolyard shenanigans, not a professional sport.

[@mtejada10]

I’m sort of nitpicking here, but technically a lateral is an intentional fumble

[@chrischris9123]

@@mtejada10 You're right.. sort of. But you can't lateral forward, and it's the forward progression that's being debated.

[@bennypanella9189]

Beef History: SB Nation vs Jon Bois

[@SecretBaseSBN]

jon can't post a video until he defeats every other member of the sb nation video staff in fencing

[@nickgreen9080]

SB Nation LMAO

[@bennypanella9189]

@@SecretBaseSBN Come on Jon! Parry! Remember to Parry!!!!

[@sevensrefrain]

if you guys actually look in the sbnation website, jon bois uploaded a new article on the site, but not a video. it was about the AFC championship game.

[@AWPtical800]

he put out an article about Pat Mahomes recently.

[@TripleLayerLemonCake]

don’t let this distract you from the fact that the British blew a 13 colony lead

[@ShinTzaddi]

Now that is funny

[@ShinTzaddi]

@Harry Engel That isn't as funny as the 13 colony lead.

[@tacolordentertainment8099]

Harry Engel so what was the point of commenting on stuff everyone knows that doesn’t add anything

[@AFishBicycle]

Long distance relationships rarely work.

[@emseegurran5216]

Oh Yeah Yeah lol

[@Magic_beans_]

From ‘The Simpsons’, s3e14, “Lisa the Greek”: Homer: Who do you like in the afternoon games? Lisa: Well, I like the 49ers because they're pure of heart, Seattle because they've got something to prove, and the Raiders because they always cheat. [fade to a few hours later] TV announcer: And on an extremely suspicious play, the Raiders win!

[@teamcybr8375]

@Dottoman D&D DM?

[@louisianaball]

Who dat

[@Emperor.Penguin.]

I've fumbled my way to victory several times in madden

[@kjsdpgijn]

Well he was the Raiders' coach, so it makes sense It's not a glitch... it's a game mechanic ;)

[@troliskimosko]

*intentional game design*

[@ElGranSanto]

I once made two players fumble on ONE God blessed play. Third guy came out of nowhere, recovered and still scored. Madden hates me and I hate everything.

[@jtdao]

Surprised yall don't have seatgeek ads yet lmao

[@madas1435]

@Hussar no, no.... They can't be

[@jordandennis6794]

@Hussar Well... I'm not watching SB Nation anymore

[@CharlieND]

@Husarz Vox is pretty attrocious and liberal.

[@benramsell3245]

Husarz lmao ur kidding right.?

[@yoshi2413]

Husarz lmao that has to be a joke they're one of the most biased I've seen.

[@alextiansay9432]

Hilarious that it just happened again on Thursday Night Football in overtime. Once again between the Raiders and Chargers of all teams. This time the Chargers were the victors.

[@TPaine1776]

Watched this on tv when is was young. Was crazy. One minute you are cursing the Raiders for blowing the game and then it's like WTF just happened, lol.

[@notnowliberty]

I love these 'weird rules' videos. Well, I love the other ones too, but these are hilarious.

[@jey4908]

These segments need more video

[@talkgb]

JE Y yea

[@Sai4651]

It may be a copyright thing

[@johnnyraymond429]

What happened to the Packers in 2014 because of the rule change was rather unfortunate for them. They lost that game, and ended up with the 2 seed that year. If they had somehow come up with a win in the Bills game, they would have been the 1 seed. They ended up losing a road game in OT to the Seahawks, which would have been played in Green Bay instead if they had won the game vs the Bills.

[@brokenwave6125]

They got a safety either way...

[@johnnyraymond429]

​@@brokenwave6125 It looks to me like the RB made it just out of the end zone, so if the rule doesn't exist, the ball would have been spotted on the 1 yard line.

[@mgb4692]

That the same game Jordy Nelson dropped what would have been a 95 yard TD?

[@brandoncronan348]

Couldn't have happened to a nicer qb.

[@fletchbg]

I feel like, if they have exceptions that only enforce the rule on 4th down and after the 2-min warning, then they should have an exception to the exception, that DOESNT enforce the rule if the fumble recovery is in the end zone.... and possibly if it's behind the line of scrimmage

[@cbm3]

I wonder how many rule changes come into effect at the 2 minute warning

[@dominiquerosemond5682]

A lot....

[@cbm3]

There are 10 second runoff rules also for injuries and when the refs review a play, and for a couple other situations. its the rule that cost the lions the game against the falcons last year because they ran 10 seconds off when there were 7 seconds left in the game. Its happened other times also I just cant remember them off the top of my head

[@espio23ify]

I literally can't stop watching these, they are too fascinating.

[@petrofor3430]

My grandma plays dice after mass and says she’s a “holy roller”

[@JustcallmeGnarly22]

Jameis Winston better be watching.

[@landen2956]

Eric G good one dudeeeeeee oh yeah yeah

[@Jakebreaks95]

@@landen2956 L

[@armadillolover99]

He's too busy baking up the turnovers at World Famous Jameis' Bakery to watch this

[@armadillolover99]

And remember: a portion of all proceeds collected by World Famous Jameis' Bakery will go to the Foundation of Residually Assaulted Uber Drivers and the Battalion of Unloved Sports Teams

[@JustcallmeGnarly22]

Ezra Sitt and to provide crab legs to the homeless.

[@rrmedia3392]

RIP Ken “The Snake” Stabler

[@ThornridgeAlpha]

For the longest time, I've always wondered if there was actually a rule in place preventing this sort of act from happening. Cheers for clearing that one up for me! Top stuff!

[@thenumberquelve158]

So proud of you guys for finally discovering the secret behind Two Minute Warnings! *salute*

[@tripleparakeetshoes4613]

Suggestion for the next weird rules: When a Rams corner wrecks a Saints receiver in an NFC Championship game and it's not pass interference.

[@xxEzraBxxx]

or Detriot

[@ndrocca]

Who else is here after this rule made the Browns lose to the Jets and maybe cost them the playoffs? Edit: It did not cost the Browns the playoffs, but it did give us more reason to laugh at the Jets since it made it impossible for them to get the #1 pick.

[@craigIsBlack]

Wow this happen last night! History repeats its self

[@nathangrabowski7338]

This rule was enforced yesterday during the chargers vs raiders Thursday night football game

[@cooperbeltran5209]

And now yesterday in browns vs jets

[@slewofdamascus]

The Raiders Dolphins and Steelers are the 1970s in NFL football. And well earned. Between 1971 and 1983, one of three (or both) appeared in 11 of 12 AFC Championship games. This was the best period of NFL football including MNF.

[@MattskyOtradovec]

You got to love those "FINE! WE'LL PUT IN THE RULEBOOK!" moments

[@matthewrobert1810]

This just happened in the Bucs vs Randy tonight. Hilarious it just shows up now for me. Thanks for explaing why we lost out on like 20 yards and a first down lol

[@noahk8309]

This rule just came into play with the Browns and the Jets.

[@enfynet]

That ball didn’t touch the ground so it opened doors to what is a fumble

[@giantchamp415]

These guys are great! Thanks for the sports and laughs. Please keep them coming

[@nickschuman4652]

Coming back to this because it literally just happened in the chargers raiders game

[@juana1483]

THE HOLY ROLLER...is like The Mona Lisa....a true piece of Art. Like no other. I remember when the Raiders wet the field down. Soooo many artistic plays The Raiders coined.

[@joshsinclair1796]

Watching this on 12/17/20, and this JUST HAPPENED in a Raiders/Chargers game. In overtime. With 2 minutes to go. And the referees all assembled as if they knew “know is the time.”

[@sbrokmann]

I remember this rule coming into play in Baker‘s First Game with the Browns. I think it was Joel Bitonio picking up a loose ball from behind and running it for a decent amount of yards. I remember Joe Thomas being so proud of him back at the booth, only for the play to then be declared dead at the spot of recovery.

[@calebbruck1586]

Was Joe Thomas on the field

[@sbrokmann]

@@calebbruck1586 nope, but he was part of the NFL Network Crew

[@mgb4692]

@@calebbruck1586 first offensive lineman in NFL history

[@joshleonard9311]

This is what being a lions fan is like.

[@tstan9713]

Like blowing out green bay last game of the season and it means nothing. Epitome of being a snoil fan

[@c.a.clayton4584]

Can look on the bright side... Any Lions fan worth their salt know so many obscure rules because of all the bullshit this team has went through year in and year out

[@lurchlogan]

This reminds me of the rule the NHL came up with when Sean Avery was intentionally trolling the goalie by waving his hands & stick in front of the goalie's face as to distract him so his team can score!! I thought it was genius, but the NHL was not having it & so they came up with the Avery rule saying you couldn't do that anymore!! 🏒🏒

[@tac6557]

I think a goalie slashed him too

[@bemusedalligator]

A player who interferes with another player *especially the goalkeeper* while in an offside position in association football is called for offside. So while you can do that to the goalkeeper off corners, you (usually) can't during regulation play. Baseball seems to take distracting the pitcher as a kind of artform, but the pitchers in baseball just don't care anymore.

[@cjshockey0452]

Jake Shattuck ya he got slashed and I’m glad he was

[@michaellopez1350]

Has taken place during bengals and steelers game

[@faycoffey2949]

That's why I came here too

[@arlopear7136]

@@faycoffey2949 and me as well lol

[@finfin4343]

it just happened

[@Toast_Points]

This video was the first thing I thought of when it happened!

[@RenzonEliSanchez]

ALSO a Raiders vs Chargers game

[@cards1160]

Related to this topic, another one of my favorite football oddities: the Nebraska University fumble rooskie Look it up it’s great

[@kevinmoynihan5118]

Honestly I think this one is a terrible rule as if you got rid of it that same Holy Roller play would still not be a TD today because it would be called an incomplete pass. It’s so stupid that if a guy fumbles late in a game it essentially ends the play before the ball is even recovered.

[@AntediluvianInternetEntity]

RIP to a legend.

[@Zilkat]

This rule just came into effect in a potential game winning fumble recovery within the last 2 minutes of overtime. Funnily enough, it involved the same two teams - Raiders vs Chargers. The chargers scored a touchdown anyway on the very next play.

[@sean3533]

This is the kind of play we'd need Ed Hoculey to explain in the AFC championship. His soothing voice calmly explaining the precedent set out in 1970. Now with the great man retired, what hope have we!!

[@ubon11]

I remember this game, watched it as a kid. I was a big Stabler fan at the time, and it was very disappointing because the Chargers were clearly the better team and had kicked the Raiders’ butt that day. I was shocked and so happy when this play happened.

[@matthewelliot5696]

Intentionally fumbling... sounds like passing

[@SkilesHasFun]

I like it when Ryan does physical gags.

[@lakeeriesailor2852]

funny that about 23 years later, this same team was involved in another "controversial fumble", but that time, Oakland got burned....tuck rule!

[@Namath1000]

Maybe the tuck rule was karma for the holy roller.

[@toddhursey7418]

Tuck rule when it wasnt a rule. Pathetic. Another rule is no tackling hard. Lol

[@lotrdude13]

Ryan and Will are the perfect duo for this series.

[@temclaughlin1]

Man, the 70s just screwed the Browns

[@thegoldfly1]

The 70s, the 80s, the 90s, 00s, 10s, The 20s aren't looking too bad so far though.

[@noneofyourbusiness3286]

Pretty sure this rule came up this season. TNF Jets at Browns. Mayfield fumbled in the last 2 minutes of the first half. A lineman picked up the ball and ran for around 10 yards but it was called back to the spot of the fumble. I was all “WHAT THE FATCH???”

[@dangeiger9796]

It came into play in a 2017 Bears Steelers game as well. On the final play of the half the Bears got the ball at the 1 yard line instead of scoring a safety. They kicked a field goal and ended up winning in OT. it was a situation where a player celebrated too early and slowed down and had the ball knocked away.

[@waitwhatOo]

I love being a Raiders fan

[@iii-ei5cv]

This might be the best of this series

[@lightyagami3492]

I thought the play itself was funny now the commentary is even better 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣

[@dukekong2412]

The worst part of this play was it cost the Chargers a playoff spot. Yet another instance of that team being cursed.

[@Tony__Tone]

RIP San Diego Chargers and those sweet yellow pants.

[@bemoore4]

I actually saw this game (I was 14 years old in 1978), and at the moment the ball left Stabler's hand, I was saying that he "fumbled forward on purpose". Pete Banaszak (pronounced, BAN (which rhymes with "plan")-Ah-Zack, not BAHN-ah-zack), is the true hero on that play (his cheating look least obvious). As a Raiders fan, I knew that my team got away with one that day...and I'm also glad that they added rules to keep it from happening again.

[@davidellinger1287]

Thank goodness someone told them how to pronounce Banaszak.

[@baberuth1000]

The last two minutes of this video had me dying!

[@PopcornNinjapwn]

Crazy that this rule came into play today, Dec 17th 2020, with the same teams Raiders vs Chargers

[@chopstycks9089]

Don’t let this distract you from the fact that the refs missed an obvious pi call

[@ericholt56]

And due to that call and a series of unfortunate events my saints aren't going to the Superbowl god damn it Spanos

[@lamarodom98]

And cost the saints a ring

[@ohnah6261]

Too bad they got the ball in overtime and couldn’t score

[@GirwinHatesLife]

@@ohnah6261 The game doesn't go to overtime if the call is made properly.

[@BlazeSLK]

ericholt56 Is is safe to say New Orleans is cursed at this point?

[@edwardgaines6561]

Well that explains why the Browns loss to the Jets today. Kareem couldn't recover Baker's "fumble."

[@laurinnn]

Well it was a fumble, but not an intentional one so it is absolutely dumb that this rule still applies

[@Crouchie261]

"Maddens on the field, He wants to know if it's real, they say yes, get your big butt out of here!"

[@geno1825]

EPIC

[@chrispierce1739]

The call was by Bill King who was the voice of the Raiders and the Oakland A's.

[@musmic17]

This just happened again today on 12/17/2020 to prevent a touchdown via forward fumbling between the chargers and the raiders! How crazy

[@tisditxuoc]

The Cody Parkey Kick deserves a DEEP rewind.

[@pnessi570]

T-Jay i would prefer to not see anything about that on this channel... or any channel... or hear about it... or acknowledge it happened.

[@anonymousperson3023]

@@pnessi570 Bears fan?

[@pnessi570]

Kendrick Mott bears fan who was at the game...

[@realnigga42069]

Facts they need to prove I’m elite

[@ConorC917]

Phil Historia Do you need a hug?

[@SNMSRACING]

I was at this game! There was nearly a riot afterwards! At first the stadium went nearly silent in disbelief. A moment later fans were ripping out the seats.

[@TheDieseI]

Waiting for a team to do this with 2mins and 1 second left in the 4th quarter to win the super bowl

[@John_Notmylastname]

Oh man that NFL films music in the beginning is iconic!

[@keith_berger]

Here after the chargers raiders game in 2020

[@jamesgrinder2491]

I feel so old! These young guys talk about the 70's like it's the Civil War era.. lol

[@matheusfiorelli8829]

of course it had to come up in a Jets x Browns game xD

[@sagacious03]

Neat video! Thanks for uploading!

[@d.m.conroy6717]

you're stuck in the Charlie Rose room

[@leehurst172]

Best weird rules episode yet

[@h00ded0ne4]

High school football official here. Every week before a game, our crew chief sends out a list of game situations for us to review. We talk about these on our drive to the game we are officiating. Sometimes it is just a worded situation and sometimes there is an accompanying video. We are expected to be able to identify the infraction, know the rule that applies and the enforcement. There is generally a theme that all the situations have in common, such as illegal forward passes or fair catches. Often times, these themes are uncommonly seen game situations that you rarely see, if ever. Before the game, the officials have a pre-game conference to go over potential game situations we are likely to face based on the teams playing that night. We also have a refresher of all major enforcement rules such as all the automatic first down penalties, all the loss of down penalties, etc. We also talk about end of half/end of game situations we are likely to see and what special rules apply. Every timeout, we get together to talk about what we might see next and what things to watch for that would be considered rare or unusual. At Halftime, we talk about what we think we got wrong or missed and what we think we nailed perfectly, despite the coach/players/fans losing their minds. After the game, we have a post-game conference to talk about what the Referee will be submitting on his report to the Commissioner of the League that details everything mentioned above. The next week, we get to see the commissioner's review of our game film and all the times we were out of position or our mechanics were poor. This is at the HIGH SCHOOL level. At every level, the amount of preparation and knowledge intensifies because so does the scrutiny. You better believe that NFL referees are expected to know every sentence in that rule book and when it applies. Keep in mind most NFL officials are already Doctors, Lawyers and big businessmen that already have a tendency to be that detail oriented.

[@davidwormell6609]

Stabler was "tuck"ing the ball !

[@jackinblack19]

This happened to the browns this year

[@franknitti9126]

Sad, you must be a browns fan

[@jackinblack19]

Frank Nitti I’m a Vikings fan, I just remember it for some reason, still I don’t really see what’s sad about that, they have a great future

[@bobsmoot5106]

Finding workarounds is part of the American spirit! It’s a national pastime!

[@Chorlied9727]

This just screwed over the browns

[@manuelcanton8342]

You should make an episode about Martín Palermo, a soccer player. In 1999 he kicked a penalty with both legs - he slipped - and forced a new rule. He also scored a goal hanging from a goalpost, and had the world's farthest headgoal.

[@michaelcrook6854]

Beef history: Refs vs. Saints

[@marquisdelafayette1929]

Michael Crook refs vs anybody playing the patriots

[@joepile2037]

You guys should do an episode on the under-arm incident between Australia and New Zealand. The most famous and hilarious weird rule in cricket history

[@ldproductions509]

I ask again, please make a video on the Houston Oilers franchise.

[@00.b14z3]

The Browns got to feel the full Holy Roller Rule experience.

[@bryanjefferson5690]

Anyone here after the browns and jets game

[@Austin101123]

Intentional backwards fumble is just a backwards lateral though. It's stupid that they count it down when someone else picks it up after that.

[@gabebrown3807]

anyone here after the browns lost to the jets

[@sam21462]

You guys seem to miss just how brilliant that play was. It was legal and an unbelievable case of making something out of nothing.

[@gregtjr.7871]

2:09 shoutout to Action Park

[@mrmoose6619]

Traction Park... Gotta love it.

[@h00ded0ne4]

When he says, "the refs are just hanging on to knowledge, waiting to be like, AH, GOTCHA!!".......I felt that. If you've ever officiated football before, you know the case book is filled with the rare and unique plays that you have to study just for that once in a season play. Because you don't want to be the crew that messed it up and got it wrong. In officiating, you have to be ready for that rare play.

[@kjoc70]

The "Holy Roller" should have been called an incomplete forward pass.

[@Namath1000]

@M Detlef Under 1978 rules, it should have been called an illegal forward pass. Releasing the ball on purpose is a PASS not a fumble. And a forward pass that hits the ground uncaught (as the holy roller did) is an incomplete pass. The referee mistook the forward pass for a fumble.

[@toddhursey7418]

Not if it was underhand. Raiders motto? Just win baby. Football sucks today. Its been unwatchable for 25 yrs.

[@kjoc70]

@@toddhursey7418 it doesn't matter how the ball is thrown, just which direction it goes.

[@rufuspipemos]

I watched that game on TV as it happened. Can't believe it was 43 years ago.

[@kaminsod4077]

Back when the Raiders weren't the premier laughing stock of the league

[@dl4577]

yeaaah aiiiiiight. i guess that belongs to the cardinals. my raiders are right number 2 though

[@anonymousperson3023]

When? The worst team at the current moment is the Cardinals. Browns are known for bad coaching decisions. You get my point by now. There is always some team who is worse than the Raiders

[@TornaitSuperBird]

Tylersaurand back when the Raiders actually played like the Raiders

[@nikobrenic8444]

Jake Shattuck lions are still and will be laughing stock. The browns don’t need a dome to attract a loyal fan base.

[@Boostergold03]

@@dl4577 no Giants,Bucs,Dolphins,Steelers,Redskins are worst so no. Not even close

[@screensaves]

I never watch sports but I’m binging these weird rules videos

[@nnnitr0]

How do you find these rules?

[@SecretBaseSBN]

Well... /takes long drag from a cigarette //coughs for a while, forgetting I don't smoke One trick is looking for rules named after players. Sometimes we've literally gone through rulebooks, just scanning for bizarre words/terms/whatever. A lot of the time though it's someone on the team, in the comments, anyone who knows of a story then finding the associated rule that allowed it to happen or was created as a result of it.

[@fighterck6241]

Stupid rule. If a defense can't keep a team from fumbling into the end zone, then that's on them.

[@chaosof99]

Avery Rule when?

[@SecretBaseSBN]

Check out our episode of Beef History: Avery vs. Brodeur where we cover it there. Because of that video, it's lower on the list of episodes for Weird Rules, but maybe we'll get to it at some point

[@chaosof99]

@@SecretBaseSBN Yeah, have seen it. Just thought it would be funny to come up with other things you could do to a goalie to distract him. Also, if you do the episode, don't forget to mention that there was only ever one other player to get called on that rule, and that was Chris Pronger (at least so far).

[@Scoots1994]

For the 49ers in 2000 (I think), LG Ray Brown was called for being downfield when a forward pass was thrown. He went to the ref and explained how he blocked his man downfield, and when his man fell down he stood up straight with his arms at his side and didn't move. And the rule allows an OL to be downfield not blocking someone if he doesn't do anything else. It turns out Ray knew the rule but the ref didn't. It was pretty funny seeing the HUGE Ray Brown standing straight upright 11 yards downfield like a fan watching the play go on around him.

[@manuginobilisbaldspot424]

Raiders exploit rules...they say it's bad for the game, cheating, deceitful. Patriots exploit/bend/break rules...smart franchise. Funny how that works.

[@coolkid-cp7dq]

How do pats bend rules

[@footballhamster]

I suggest you actually look at a typical comment section about the Pats. 90% of the comments will be calling them cheaters.

[@johnnyraymond429]

@ Manu Ginobilis Bald Spot More like the other way around. Do you not remember the 2014/2015 AFC Division round game between the Patriots and Ravens? The Patriots ran a trick play which had just recently been used in the NCAA against the Ravens, making the RB an Offensive Lineman on one play and then making a lineman an eligible receiver. John Harbaugh complained vehemently about it, claiming that noone had ever seen that before, when it was used only two months before in the NCAA. The NFL owners then decided to change the rules so that ineligible receivers have to line up in the tackle box. So, no, people aren't really saying the Patriots are smart for exploiting the rules, they're getting infuriated.

[@ShinTzaddi]

The Raiders (my Raiders) used to take any advantage that they could. The Holy Roller was, at that time, not illegal. Stickem was not illegal until Lester Hayes was picked on by the NBC commentators about it being all over his uniform. Fred Biletnikoff used Stickem throughout his career. Pitchers in MLB use clear pine tar especially in cold weather to help them keep a good grip on the ball. Corked bats, steroids...these were all at one time not illegal. Taking advantage is part of sports. Get used to it.

[@anthonynguyen7513]

*Pats win in OT by the first possession* everyone is saying that the OT rules need to be changed *someone points laser at tom's face* Media: eh