If you trick NFL refs into giving you a timeout, you pay the price | Weird Rules

[@claypage1089]

The Bills against the Redskins. That sounds like a terrible game. That was once a Superbowl.

[@Stinky_Steven]

It wasn’t good then either, the redskins destroyed them

[@claypage1089]

@@Stinky_Steven I hooked Washington and the over. I thought it was great!

[@LazyCat010]

Which was both terrible (in that it was so one-sided) and awesome. HTTR!

[@Stinky_Steven]

I wish I was alive to see it, I’m a huge skins fan

[@claypage1089]

@@Stinky_Steven Check out as much from that 1991 season as you can. Mark Rypien was sacked 9 times all year! They tore it up. It was one of those years that by week 10 you knew who the Superbowl champ was going to be, and I am not even a Redskins fan.

[@KevinG99]

I’ve known this rule for a long time because Madden doesn’t let you take 2 timeouts in a row

[@meloferg]

Sameee. 😂 Tryna hit select and they never let you. 💀

[@captainamerica2521]

Same

[@fraudulentfem7322]

Interesting, I wonder why they don't just give you the fifteen yard penalty

[@Idrissasmith]

KevinG99 I did to

[@jameikamcgeachy7758]

KevinG99 facts

[@cjdavis1328]

Tennessee triple iced Alabama’s kicker in 2019 and guess what.... he missed the kick

[@takethelol5407]

Cj Davis YAY

[@JBB685]

To be fair, all you’d really have to do to ice a bama kicker is whisper “hey, buddy. You’re gonna miss hehe”

[@TexboyGamer]

Cj Davis Alabama Kickers ice themselves

[@odie0225]

What a waste of 3 timeouts. He would have missed anyways

[@chriswebster24]

Sydney Mabry The only way to waste timeouts in the last seconds of a half is to not use them at all. As a Bama fan, I have to agree that he would’ve most likely missed it anyway, though. Fortunately, it doesn’t usually matter too much against opponents like Tennessee.

[@msthalamus2172]

"Sneaky" Pete iced a kicker once and it led to elimination from the playoffs (2013 divisionals vs Atlanta). Sometimes you lose when you gamble.

[@QwertyCaesar]

Somebody once did the math about a decade back and found that icing the kicker hurt more than it helped - at least at the professional level anyways.

[@Gungho73]

@@QwertyCaesar I'd believe that the most for bad weather games. The icing the Raiders did on the Patriots in the championship game gave the team time to make a free spot for Adam Vinataeri in the snow.

[@vkillion]

I've never understood why the double timeout rule even existed. Yeah if, in the worst case scenario, all 6 timeouts (both teams) happened at once, it would take a long time, but teams don't have more after that. It's not like the game overall would take longer. It would just be a mini-halftime during the half, instead of several micro-halftimes.

[@phish4990]

Vincent Killion I think it’s beacuse the fans watching may tune off of the game beacuse of the constent timeouts with no game. Also cause advertisers may want ads spread through the game. The rule is prob for the business side of the game not the practical use

[@Rowgue51]

While this is a situation that would rarely ever come up because of the fact that teams only have three timeouts per half it does have both practical and broadcasting purposes.

[@groove4528]

Yeet Good point, i wonder how many other rules are for this reason or have a reason like this in them?

[@brucemercer7753]

@@Rowgue51 The OP was saying 3 TO's called by 1 team and 3 called by the other team. So without the rule it could be possible to see 6 To's in a row. I don't think fanns would tune out though. Because any situation critical enough to NEED 6 To's in a row would have to be leading into a GAME DECIDING play, right? A VERY important play. What you also have to remember is that Football has a DELAY OF GAME penalty... (so does basketball but it rarely comes up and when it does most Fans, Announcers, Players and Coaches do not understand what is going on... because really almost NOBODY actually understands the rules of basketball except the Best Referees. For example did you even know Basketball has rules on Delay of Game... probably not)... ANYWAYS... To have so many TO's called in a row in Football would more or less violate the DELAY OF GAME rules... which BTW is a 5 Yard Penalty. So it seems to me the NFL just realized they had NOT been enforcing a rule they already had all along.

[@Rowgue51]

@@brucemercer7753 The delay of game rule in basketball isn't a secret. You used to see it all the time. They just stopped calling it like they did with palming,traveling and just about everything else in basketball.

[@mcj88]

The refs don't need the help of players & coaches to look stupid, they do just fine on their own lol

[@justincampbell5584]

"You cant double ice anyone." Sounds like a mortal kombat sub zero joke.

[@tugboat2030]

FINISH HIM

[@RunMan254]

Or smoking and injecting meth at the same time

[@nicktoooquick]

Good ol "double ice backfire'

[@LavenderSystem69]

GET OVER HERE

[@PurpleKushNinja]

MK2 is still the best lol

[@andrewray368]

Whoever draws these are amazing

[@user-fe8gx3ie5v]

is*

[@kadrope]

That Bills--Redskins game was right after Sean Taylor died smh was a totally heartbreaking loss

[@01dirtydirk]

I actually kind of found it funny..

[@alexanderroberts5223]

The lack of Sean Taylor being referenced in that Bills/'Skins game made me sad and I'm not even a 'Skins fan.

[@thegoldfly1]

Why would he be referenced?

[@thegoldfly1]

Or did you mean during the game? Was taking that as him not being mentioned during this video.

[@AEMoreira81]

@@thegoldfly1 -- This was the first game after he was murdered in a home invasion.

[@kaneohalloran8586]

I've watched every single episode of weird rules, by far my favourite series on KZbin!

[@Violet_Faye]

I'm not super big on sports but this is easily one of my favourite series on KZbin lately. Keep em coming please

[@jesusthroughmary]

Should just be called delay of game. Done.

[@jordangonzalez1443]

jesusthroughmary that’s a penalty🤦🏽‍♂️

[@ocbee6175]

Jordan Gonz he means it should be a delay of game penalty

[@julianbell9161]

But this rule has only been enacted on the defense. Why would you give a delay of game to the offense when the defense used the double timeout to prevent a delay of game or ice the kicker?

[@bens5661]

@@julianbell9161 delay of game can be a defensive penalty such as when guys sit on guys they tackled in late-game situations to cause the clock to run

[@ninjacktv9465]

Bills actually won 17-16 vs the Redskins in 2007

[@JohnDoe-uu9gh]

Yeah! I remember listening to the game on the radio in the car with my dad, and us going nuts and laughing at the 'Skins when they got the penalty.

[@hhscadets0925]

I remember that game. It was the Redskins' first game after the death of Sean Taylor.

[@LazyCat010]

@@hhscadets0925 😢

[@trulybrady8839]

NinJackTV and today

[@orion5456]

Ed Hochuli be lookin like a snack.

[@michaelhedworth2976]

It would have cost you exactly $0 to not say that. So why did you?

[@Dwaynoe_ball]

Michael Hedworth just trying to make someone laugh no need to call anyone out

[@samuelcarter6921]

@@Dwaynoe_ball r/whoosh

[@cypher515]

The worst part of that Redskins-Bills game had to be that... Rian Lindell was known for not having a heck of a lot of range. I think we had some of the worst touchback percentages in the league with him, though Carpenter ended up being not much better, and the accuracy went to hell outside about 45 with him. So to make it from a 51 to a 36 yarder (he had sniper accuracy inside 40) had to be the difference.

[@JoeDiTrapani]

Lions just managed to get this penalty called against them. Nice.

[@nate_storm]

glad someone else instantly came here lmao

[@imtoospartan1134]

@@nate_storm I’m here too. Happened against pretty recently in another game if I remember correctly

[@Letterman0412]

I'm surprised you didn't mention that the Redskins game you talked about was the first game the Redskins played at home after Sean Taylor was killed. So they lose a game they were probably trying to win for Sean possibly due to this penalty.

[@imtoospartan1134]

The Lions managed to get this rare rule called on them. How fitting

[@tellmewhenitsover]

If I was a ref I would always grant the extra timeout, then be like, oh oopsie now you've got a penalty.

[@ven412]

In with all the Lions fan who saw MCDC pull this maneuver today.

[@fyukfy2366]

You gotta rewind the immaculate reception, you just gotta

[@jasonfisher1413]

As a Skins fan I remember that game happening, it was the first game after Taylor's murder

[@andrewbrennan9919]

I remember it too. I don't think Gibbs was trying to cheat the refs with a 2nd timeout, just a mistake on his end.

[@cptncrzy8617]

I remember this game as a Bills fan. What a odd game that was

[@McLovin1776]

taylor who

[@cptncrzy8617]

@@McLovin1776Sean Taylor

[@andrewm6424]

Andrew Brennan. I’m a Bills fan. I couldn’t believe JOE GIBBS did that. (The man had been coaching forevvvvvver). I was very happy when it happened. You are correct. When Gibbs was asked about the timeout in his post-game press conference, he stated that he basically had just had a brain lock. He totally forgot that he had already called a timeout to ice Lindell, and thought he had to ice the kicker.

[@tmanley111]

I'm not called Gary, but I appreciate the shoutout. I like to live vicariously.

[@patrickodonnell5708]

*viGARYously ....I’ll show myself out....

[@rerockinmysock]

I just found this channel last week and it’s without a doubt one of my favorite channels

[@matthewlaird4009]

I went to a Huskies Ducks game where Chip Kelly used all three timeouts before the half to ice the kicker. I guess college has a different stance on pace of play.

[@eddixon2015]

Was that in November 2011? I remember something like that happening on the same day as the "Game of the Century" between Alabama and LSU, but maybe that's just me.

[@samrosenthal3128]

Pete carol did this in Russell Wilson’s first start vs cardinals back when the replacement refs were working

[@Dagio32]

I remember that. He called a fourth timeout with the clock winding down and the refs gave it to him. Seems par for the course for Pete Carroll.

[@01dirtydirk]

Yo homies... pass the salt, y’all have had it long enough!!

[@pla6ue]

If you get penalized for getting away with it, you're not getting away with it.

[@JohnDoe-uu9gh]

I vividly remember the penalty on the Redskins! I was listening to the game on the radio with my dad waiting for my mom to leave work. We got so excited! It kept us in the hunt for at least another week at the time - how naive we were to think the Bills would make something of it.

[@cypher515]

Yeah, in retrospect, I honestly would've preferred the Skins getting a more feel good moment and the Bills getting better draft position -- though given that they took Leodis McKelvin 8 spots ahead of Joe Flacco, I don't know if it would've helped. Oh well, at least we're... hmmm....

[@theindooroutdoorsman]

Saying Pete Carroll *didn't* know what he was doing when it comes to the rules, is like saying Bill Belichick doesn't know the rules. Those two know the rules better than the people that wrote them.

[@boldcornet1331]

Damn crazy to think the kicker you brought up for the bills redskins game is now my pe teacher

[@ezaz.lr4528]

the lions actually did this yesterday on thanksgiving during the final 2 minutes. the refs called the timeout and then penalized the lions for it

[@spkennedy951]

Triple icing in the Nebraska Northwestern game just last weekend.

[@Mito383]

The titles of these videos are always more interesting than the actual story.

[@imrmebs]

Sooo if refs “forget” they could punish the other team to a 15 yd penalty? Seems fun to me

[@funguy3453]

sounds like a way to rig games.

[@Zalwalloo]

@@funguy3453 I mean.. the coach doesn't have to try and cheat...

[@Twl0802]

More likely than not, If it seemed intention on the refs part then they would be immediately pulled from reffing any games, and given a fine by the officiating board. It's not really a good idea for them, and double time outs happen very rarely. The coach would have to bribe the ref, then hope that the other team calls a double time out just to get that to happen.

[@christianbarnay2499]

@@Twl0802 More like an opportunistic move. The coach asks for a second timeout. Ref likes him he refuses the timeout. Ref hates him he gives the timeout and later goes "Oh I shouldn't have, you get yards penalty".

[@redstorm4111]

Refs should call a penalty on themselves for being bad at their job

[@DrZaius3141]

That's a perfectly reasonable rule. Being a ref (at least most positions of ref) requires laser focus, especially in the seconds before the snap. And with all those late time outs coming in, there is a serious issue about reacting to them quickly (otherwise you get a snap with one team playing and the other team not playing, which is a huge injury risk). So take your pick: do you want coaches and player having the chance to call a time out half a second before the play clock runs out and them reacting fast enough or do you want them to ponder whether a time out is legitimate first? It happens. So the people to blame are the ones that try to do something they aren't allowed to. Ignorance doesn't protect from punishment.

[@ccwhu]

Yoooo this just happened at the end of tnf week 2 2019. The Panthers were 4th and 2 at the 3 with a minute left down 6 and they got half the distance when Bruce Arians called a second timeout. They then ran wildcat for McCaffrey and were just short, sadly ending the game

[@ryneprince7113]

That's not the same thing they are talking about

[@pizzlerot2730]

@@ryneprince7113 No he's def correct, Panthers fan here, and I scrolled down to the comments to see if I found any mention of that game. That was how I learned that the 2 consecutive timeout rule is a thing...when it happened I was thinking yoooo what a godsend!!! But then we lost anyway wtf 😂

[@N.I.R.A.T.I.A.S.]

The last time I was this early the Seahawks were still planning to run the ball.

[@MyAnonymous92]

the last time i was this early that joke was still funny

[@TheLocalLt]

Rated Ace it’s still funny. Also 28-3 2:08 3rd

[@TetUnOffensive]

So it’s the refs choice to either wave it off or grant the time out and then slap on the penalty.

[@toxicrick5394]

And the refs got TOO MUCH CONTROL of the outcome of the game all the sudden....

[@TheTeremaster]

A continuation on the last point, there's also rules against calling timeouts when you don't have one left. The pats loved the "fake ice" where the players would start signalling for timeouts even though they had none to throw the kicker off

[@ArchaiKM]

As a Bills fan, I would be mad if it wasn't so true. Well said.

[@JonAdamich]

The main guy is really good at his position. Speaks well, explains well, and gives positive reinforcement to the guest's comment.

[@elwayfan01]

Hi I'm Gary. Thanks for the shout out.

[@legohalonascarfan3]

Funnily enough this happened again against the Bills in 2020 against the Cardinals who called 2 timeouts, but because of no fans in the stands you could actually hear Sean Mcdermott telling the ref you can't do that.

[@ROFT]

Pete Carroll didn't "break the rules", he asked for the time out, not forced them to give a timeout. They are the ones enforcing the rules and if they gave it the mistake is theirs.

[@bendross4828]

I’m a redskins fan and when I saw the title I KNEW they were gonna talk about Gibbs. Gotta love us

[@JH-ee5xv]

Ben Dross as a Bills fan I had a feeling some obscure penalty being called was gunna involve us

[@jimthompson1746]

Love how this just happened in the Washington Pittsburgh game with Alex Smith. xD

[@vitaly5297]

and this video appeared in my recomendation list

[@Gary-ct3gp]

Dude you scared the hell out of me at the end of that video, don't do that.

[@reeseloveland7721]

I remember this happened to the Saints. They were playing the chiefs while Sean Payton was suspended. I think they were trying to ice a kicker or something and there was a coaching miscommunication.

[@CHswim]

I remember that Redskins game with the Joe Gibbs coaching. Mind you this was Gibbs' second coming with the Skins. After winning two Super Bowl's, he took a bunch of years off and we began to collapse. Then he returned in all of his glory to save us (really he just needed the extra cash), only to make stupid mistakes like that for two years.

[@itskale125]

This rule actually just got enforced during the lions bears game on thanksgiving a couple weeks ago, Campbell called 2 timeouts in a row and the bears got a free 5 yards

[@StevewiththePbass]

Oh he definitely knew that rule. It happened in a Panthers game earlier this season the opponent was given a consecutive timeout, the clock was stopped and Rivera had to scream “THEY CANT DO THAT!” at the ref until they threw a flag lol

[@justincobb382]

I'll tell my Dad you said hello. He'll probably tell me to say hello back. So... Gary says hello.

[@jbo22fly]

The Bills/Redskins game was the first game after Sean Taylor died, where the Redskins started 10 men on defense because of his passing.

[@rj8022]

Rewinder: Jayson Werths 13 pitch walk-off homerun in the NLDS

[@tretimes9883]

I've always felt like players and coaches request a timeout and the ref/umpire calls them.

[@danielhaas20]

That game was actually the post Sean Taylor game so it kind of blows that they lost it that way

[@jfridy]

I would love to see SB Nation take a look at that madness that is "Bottlegate," the infamous Cleveland/Jacksonville game in December of 2001. I'm not sure which SB Nation show would handle it, because it involves a critical rule, bonkers reffing, a lot of rewind context, and it all ends in chaos.

[@christoduplessis8177]

That Skins Bills game was the first weekend of me living in the US. I was in the Fort Myers area where Sean Taylor was murdered a few days before (my first day there). I felt so bad for the Skins losing on a 15 yard penalty.

[@301MG]

Wow, well hows the u.s been treating you lately

[@christoduplessis8177]

@@301MG I was only there for a year, was great though, the US is a great country, been back twice for vacations.

[@Friendly-Unit]

Hello back :) thanks for the videos.

[@caseyrayharris.esquire489]

Thanks for explaining Wtf just happened 15 yrs ago when I questioned why a to was called

[@JimmyHadTheSquadLaughing]

I love this series!! I hardly even like sports but man this has me hooked!!

[@big8dog887]

Why are back to back timeouts even illegal to begin with? You only get three, it seems that the fact that you've burned through them that quickly is enough of a penalty.

[@mikephillips7720]

happened bills redskins in the game after sean taylors death went for a 50+ field goal they called consecutive timeouts i believe it was like a 10 yard penalty bc it was a much closer kick and bills won

[@davidlinehat4657]

That was the game after Sean Taylor died. The skins ran a missing player formation. Sad stuff...

[@gary450]

Well hello to you too!

[@Jakell27]

Talk about why you can’t fully stop while taking a penalty in soccer!

[@timfredrickson3889]

Jacob Kelly to make it more fair for the keeper. It allows them to know when the shot is coming and start moving before it happens. Otherwise it would be way to easy to score using trickery and waiting for the keeper to react.

[@Jakell27]

Spencer I know why, I just want them to make a video about it.

[@JonatasAdoM]

2:25 Your animator is old and I love it hahahah

[@WiLDHaNdZ]

If i can clown a judge, then the judge does not deserve to be a judge.

[@roguishpaladin]

No judge is perfect. Everyone makes mistakes and everyone is subject to mental heuristics. The refs are overseeing a lot of things, so it's not surprising to me that one might occasionally react using system 1 thought to approve a timeout which seems right on the surface. Carroll knows this and took advantage of the ref. It's pretty fundamentally crooked, if you think about it, and the fact that there are people who leverage heuristics that way, followed by the refs getting blamed, is a damning indictment of our society.

[@jamesdenham3881]

Fun fact (its not actually Fun) that bills-Redskins game was the first game after the death of Sean Taylor, and the Redskins blew that game with that peaty.........

[@cjenzo]

You guys need to do a episode of the Buffalo Bills ending the 17 yr playoff drought. So much had to happen on that New Years eve night. It would be such a great episode

[@andrewm6424]

I’m certain that has already been done! NFL TURNING POINT covered it. And there was an entire 30-minute documentary about it in the Buffalo area just days after the Bills Wild Card Game in Jacksonville. (It’s called PLAYOFF CALIBER. And you can find it on KZbin). So unless these guys can find actual evidence of a conspiracy theory that no one has talked about, they would have infringed on the copyright © of TWO different television programs.

[@Archayd]

Lol anyone else notice the ho-oh? Love the pokemon reference guys!

[@DinoWinoSaur]

I love these series

[@heyandy889]

15-17? 18-17? Boys we're in scorigami territory

[@irishpanic]

Kinda but nah

[@acksha]

The final was actually 17-16. Idk where he got that wrong score from.

[@tjfrye11]

@@acksha i thought field goals were worth 3 points? or did it change from 2 to 3 later on? or was the score originally 14-16?

[@acksha]

@TJ Frye here’s the box score to the game www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200712020was.htm Was 16-14 before the double iced kick

[@joehead4081]

I'm not sure if the same rule exists in the NCAA, but I saw a team get away with the double timeout a couple years ago. Texas double-iced a two-pt. attempt against West Virginia in 2018, and there was no call from the refs. West Virginia still ended up converting and winning the game.

[@Subflower19]

what I love, is this is like... the fun nerdy side of sports rules.

[@cosmo3485]

Who's here after Mike Zimmer called 2 timeouts in a row against the Cowboys?

[@aaronthomas1624]

Can we get some more videos in the Collapse series please? Maybe one on the early 2000s Yankees, who struggled to get back to the top after losing to the Marlins in the 2003 World Series. Or one on the Detroit Pistons who pretty much fell apart after losing to the Celtics in the 08 ECF. Or one on the 90s Cowboys, 49ers or Bills. All of those franchises fell on hard times after having long runs of dominance. There are so many videos you guys could do for that series. I think it’s a great idea for video series and I hope you guys make some more!

[@HeadCannon19]

12 players on the field for the Seahawks? So the fans are now the 13th Man

[@dumdristig]

I was expecting a reference to the 2012 game where the 49ers got the refs to give them an extra time out against the Vikings. That one was crazy...

[@Mike_Poppe]

Yo you straight scared me with Ed Hochuli, I had to double check just to be sure.

[@bluntizard4481]

3:54 It also serves the purpose of punishing the team calling that second timeout on the penalty they tried to avoid using the timeout

[@sentientsardine9729]

Roller Derby right now has a similar rules discussion going on. If you try to call an Official Review or Timeout when you don't have any, or your jammer tries to call the jam off while they are not lead, there is no penalty. The rational being that it hasn't impacted the game. If a referee grants your request, it has now impacted the game, so there is now a penalty. A common conversation has become "should an incorrect attempt at any of these things be a penalty no matter what, so as to remove the officiating crew's ability to accidentally impact the game?"

[@duolingobird4415]

If you try to prank Duolingo, you lose your grandpa

[@joelv.6209]

There are fates worse than death. The Duolingo Bird will make sure of it

[@quinm]

Who’s here after the buccaneers did this on Monday night

[@79JamesC]

I know I love it when the team ice their own kicker

[@v_shadow_v5650]

I was there for that Skins v Bills game... It was terrible and convinced me to never attend a Skins game again. Leave it to the skins to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat. The sad thing is that even if they had won it would have been a "finally, glad that's over with" instead of a celebration.

[@zer00rdie]

Love the Tyson shirt!

[@sinception5034]

Imagine what ref was so embarrassed by how bad he was that he's punishing the team for his mistakes

[@nicklarocco4178]

NFL needs a rule where you can hire a crew of lawyers to review a rule to see if there's anyway to interpret the rule that's against the rules.

[@thaFalkon]

If Russ gets traded, you should do "Collapse: The 2013 Seahawks"

[@rileyhaley3848]

They should make it anyways they've collapsed.

[@JackProPC]

@@rileyhaley3848 Yeah. R.I.P.

[@sheraazkhan4334]

Riley Haley made the playoffs last season

[@rileyhaley3848]

@@sheraazkhan4334 wow what a successful year then im sure the patriots consider just making the playoffs a huge success lol.

[@shaneyoung3549]

Pretty sure the cowboys had a game where Jason Garrett tried to ice the kicker twice.

[@andysodhi2559]

Shane Young he iced his own kicker and his kicker made the first but missed the second after the timeout and the cardinals would win the game in overtime

[@shortsthatdontsuck2174]

John Harbaugh with the Ravens just got this penalty and in a pretty important spot with Buffalo on 4th and 2

[@toddbiesel4288]

Maybe P.C. thought that he was still coaching in college, where they call consecutive time-outs to ice the kicker all the time.

[@lastnamefirst6471]

In college you can triple ice the kicker

[@thomasdavies6109]

You should do a cricket one. Ben stokes diving in the 2019 world Cup final and the ball hit his bat and goes for four but they get six runs. Incredible

[@AnthonyClauser]

Strange fact - the Bills had like the 4th highest total attendance that year. Stranger fact - the Redskins had the highest total attendance. So...

[@geoffroi-le-Hook]

The Redskins have the largest stadium

[@AnthonyClauser]

@@geoffroi-le-Hook A large stadium isn't going to do you any good if you don't have a loyal fan base. The Jaguars have to tarp off the top of their stadium every game because they can't even give away enough tickets to fill it.

[@wethepeople5753]

6:18 RIP Ed Retired In Paradise

[@Schmeck190]

"Successful deception of a match official" (diving) is a two-game suspension in the Premier League, yet nothing if the ref gets it right.

[@adameves5970]

Sounds like it's the ref's fault, and HE should be suspended instead. Not sure if you meant that due to the way you worded your sentence. It's completely ambiguous.