Secularism, Secularization, and Collapse of Christian Ireland - A Conversation with Crawford Gribben

In this edition of the popular podcast series "Thinking in Public," Albert Mohler speaks with Crawford Gribben, professor of history at Queen's University in Belfast about the history of Christianity in Ireland and the country's decline into secularism.
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[@andrewlim9345]

Thanks learnt a good deal about the religious history of Ireland and Northern Ireland. I think that the sectarian conflict between Protestants and Catholics did much damage to advancing the Kingdom in Ireland.

[@lannyfaulkner6697]

Thank you for this insightful and helpful discussion. This is fresh air in a very stale world!

[@midnightstarism]

Going out of the house at 7 in morning and seeing things being brightened up by the daybreak, and seeing in the morning mist humans going to school in this tiny tucked away town, and starting their day off at work, opening stores, driving off into the sunset, off to the office, is a strange sight to witness, to sit down and stare at, and think about and gaze upon and ponder, and an amazing thing to paint. Very surreal it is. It's dead out there around 3 or 4 in the morning except for a few cars and here and there a person, or people, getting off the bus to walk to the jobs, or back from a drug run on their way home, or a late night fling. Then right about after 4 you might pick up a glimpse of a trash truck or two picking up dumpster bins. But at 7 I walked out and there wasn't too much going on and it was still dim out, and then within a dozen minutes or so it all seemed to happen at once; the sky was teeming and glimmering with colors and all a flare, and people were popping up all over the place coming from everywhere.

[@midnightstarism]

We Only Come Out at Night Song by The Smashing Pumpkins We only come out at night We only come out at night The days are much too bright We only come out at night And once again You'll pretend to know me well My friends And once again I'll pretend to know the way Through the empty space Through the secret places of the heart We only come out at night We only come out at night The days are much too bright We only come out at night I walk alone I walk alone to find the way home I'm on my own I'm on my own to see the ways That I can't help the days You will make it home okay I know you can And you can We only come out at night We only come out at night The days are much too bright We only come out at night And once again now You'll pretend to know that That there's an end That there's an end to this begin It will help you sleep at night It will make it seem that right is always right Alright? We only come out at night We only come out at night The days are much too bright We only come out at night kzbin.info/www/bejne/jXm2gYmEl6toorssi=S-Nuoj46KtmClQG6

[@jaysphilosophy1951]

Great video Sir! I really enjoy your conversations. Deep thinking is much needed nowadays.

[@robertmize327]

Yes, sirs. I have always read the intellectual writers and follow Dr Mohler and others from my Christian beliefs. I've been very hungry for that and am familiar with the arguments. I see now that Yahweh has documented all of this in His Word. Be discerning.

[@neiltravisano7456]

Hey,great interview. It looks like Ireland is going faster than the USA towards a real crisis-however where sin abounds grace much more....

[@annbrucepineda8093]

The Scots Irish, President Trump himself being of such stock, may be one powerful reason why Christianity has not collapsed in the USA.

[@HearGodsWord]

Lots of interesting points and observations. A few bits of history I've learned.

[@jaysphilosophy1951]

Balkanization according to Oxford means: to divide (a region or body) into smaller mutually hostile states or groups. Balkanization is the fragmentation of a larger region or state into smaller regions or states, which may be hostile or uncooperative with one another. It is usually caused by differences of ethnicity, culture, and religion and some other factors such as past grievances.

[@annbrucepineda8093]

I love Dr. John Lennox! In spite of his friendship with Francis Collins, he has been one of the most amazing knights fighting the dragon of atheism in recent years. He is one of my favorites.

[@midnightstarism]

Pain is insane, unreasonable, a miracle. Suffering is evil, useless, and sickness is crazy, unnecessary, prayer, religion and morals.

[@midnightstarism]

Humans are habitual creatures by nature. But habit wasn't man's original state, for you get into the habit and don't start in it. So man's first state wasn't natural.

[@midnightstarism]

There's one nature, one life, not two nature's, one nature in a nature. So it is not nature that is in nature, it is the non-natural that is in nature.

[@midnightstarism]

Christians invented the modern world. There were no moderns around to create it. They didn't show up till the modern world did. Did the moderns exist before the modern world, and are the more primitive of the two?

[@midnightstarism]

They told me I'm in life. I don't believe them. I'll call their bluff. I'll bet them everything they possess that they truly don't know where they're at.

[@midnightstarism]

You want a man to love you. You don't want this left wing fuck dream.

[@midnightstarism]

A dark empty universe is hopeless. A universe with objects in it is christmas in the hopelessness. A black empty space is realism. An outer space with bright figures and shapes in it is fantasy in sadness.

[@midnightstarism]

You picture that when you're dead there is black emptiness, that that is when there's no hope left.

[@midnightstarism]

Dying is a fantasy. Nature is good math, numbers. Numbers can't die. Rocks can't die. See, nature can't die. Creatures can die. See, nature dies. I'm sound math, a number. I've always existed. I was used by bad math, faith, to form the universe.

[@jimbuford4147]

The Bible states in the last days people will fall away from the faith.

[@anthonylemkendorf3114]

It also says some would profess to be genuine Christians but will be rejected by Jesus. Matt 25:41-46

[@robertmize327]

Yes. Romans Chapter 1 is a good example and the behaviors described in the second half of the chapter always precede the fall of nations and empires throughout history.

[@midnightstarism]

I think I find in some catholics talking them looking at two sides. And the world, it seems to look from one side. Then there's my side which says there's three sides. But that's just one side. So three sides is one side.

[@midnightstarism]

The crucifixion of God's logic saves.

[@PilgrimMission]

Institutionalized Protestantism is not quite like its Catholic counterpart, nor is the untouchable status of its clergy , but the same departure from scripture is evident. Call no man Father or Rabbi for you are all brethren..the greatest among you will be your servant.

[@shipwright6122]

The depravity of man knows no bounds 😈

[@robertmize327]

Romans 1

[@ryanprosper88]

Given all the bombings, violence, and mass starvation, "Christian" Ireland wasn't such a pleasant place

[@anthonylemkendorf3114]

You make an undeniably reasonable point .Jesus said quite a bit about that at Matt 7:15-20

[@HearGodsWord]

The Republic of Ireland or Northern Ireland?

[@annbrucepineda8093]

I believe Ireland at the beginning of the 19th century might give us an idea what our own world ruled by Davos, Klaus Schwab, George Soros and the One World Order would look like if they had not been stopped. England was the Davos of that period and I don’t think the Irish were even allowed to own a horse. Correct me if I’m wrong.

[@stpatrick614]

I grew up in Ireland during the troubles. I am in South Ireland where we had a lovely Catholic upbringing. The North was worse. The troubles in the North weren't basically Catholic vs Protestant. It was a political war going back to the British forces been visible in a sovereign country. People that were Catholic were mainly republican and protestant were very pro British.

[@Clodaghbob]

@@stpatrick614 The name of the country is simply ‘Ireland’ * and, as you know, it includes the most northerly point on the island, Malin Head. You can call it the ‘Irish republic’ for the sake of convenience but there is no such place as ‘South Ireland’. * _Bunreacht na hÉireann (Irish Constitution), Article 4_

[@jimbuford4147]

As a Calvinist Mohler believes people act the way they do because they are programmed by God to do so or so I thought. All of the things they decry about societies today they should rejoice in for that comes from the hand of God. Hogwash!

[@philsdronelyshots]

Perhaps you thought wrong? That is a clownish caricature of Calvinism.

[@jimbuford4147]

@@philsdronelyshots What am I missing? I have heard some leading Calvinists say that everything comes from God in that He is the author of whatever occurs. I don't want to mis-characterize what you believe so help me out. I seriously want to know.

[@philsdronelyshots]

@@jimbuford4147 Well I would fully affirm human agency and responsibility as it is clearly taught in the Scriptures even as it is set beside clear teaching that affirms God's ultimate sovereignty (Acts 2:23 for example). If we take those two aspects of the Bible's teaching seriously we have a tension between them that can feel uncomfortable, but resolving that tension by ignoring one or the other will result in a distortion. Better to live in it and affirm all that the Scriptures teach. Blessings.

[@jimbuford4147]

@@philsdronelyshots Are you saying every person is responsible for his actions and thoughts even though God in His sovereignty causes him to act and think a certain way? Taking it a step further will every person have an opportunity to be saved and if they are not it is because they through their own will rejected the Lord. Perhaps their will is programmed by God as well? First Timothy 2:4 says that God desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. Since God has retained ultimate authority over the actions of men His desires will be met will they not?

[@HearGodsWord]

@@philsdronelyshots I would agree with you. It seems whenever I see comments criticising Calvinism they just offer up a caricature and also never offer any alternative/replacement.

[@danielstam2780]

Eres un ídolo Sweetlovee.Monster siempre en mi corazón,hermosa,amors,elecciones,culturales.❤️ Son unos de los mejores conciertos.

[@Syed_12]

( Do Christians And Jews and "OTHER" non-Muslims go to Heaven? ) Quran 2:62 '' Those who believe (in the Quran) and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures) and the Christians and the Sabians->ANYAllah< Is The Protector Of Monasteries, Churches, Synagogues And The Mosques ) Quran 22:40 [They are] those who have been evicted from their homes without right - only because they say, " Our Lord is God " And were it not that God checks the people, some by means of others, there would have been demolished monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques in which the name of God is much mentioned. And God will surely support those who support Him. Indeed, God is Powerful and Exalted in Might. Note: Why did Allah protected Churches and Synagogues if they worship false Allah ? ( Why Are There So Many Different Religions In The World ? ) Quran 5 48 ''...... If God wanted He could have made all of you a single nation.( ie single religion ) But He willed otherwise in order to test you in what He has given you (ie Scriptures) therefore try to excel one another in good deeds. Ultimately you all shall return to God then He will show you the truth of those matters in which you '' >DISPUTE verb < not noun like other religions Islam mean "submission" to God ( The above verse saying is that God will not accept a religion from the >MUSLIM< and the Non-Muslims but total "submission" to God ) Question: How Can Muslim And the Non-Muslim "submit" to the God? Answer: Be kind to other human beings and Do not lie, Do not steal, Do not cheat, Do not hurt others, Do not be prideful and Do the charity work. Note: If you obeyed all the ABOVE Allah-God's moral laws "YOU" submitted to God.( ie Islam mean "submission" to God ) The only people who will enter Paradise those who '' Submitted to God '' ( ie by Good Deeds ) God does NOT accept your religion of birth but only ''Your Total'' Submission to Him. ( God Allows Interfaith Marriages And Eat Food From the Christian And Jew And Vice Versa ) Quran 5:5 ''This day [all] good foods have been made lawful, and the food of those who were given the Scripture (ie Christian and Jew) is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them. And lawful in marriage are chaste women from among the believers (ie Muslim ) and chaste women from among those who were given the Scripture (ie Christian and Jew) before you, when you have given them their due compensation, desiring chastity not unlawful sexual intercourse or taking [secret] lovers. And whoever denies the faith - his work has become worthless and he in the Hereafter will be among the losers.'' Note: > Only < Islam allows interfaith marriages (>14 hundredsSame God< but They are >ALL Corrupt< more or less, some more than others from their original foundational teaching. The older religion are MORE corrupted than newer religion. Question to Muslim and Christian: Does God / Allah only answer your pray ? And God / Allah does not answer non Muslim / non Christian pray? Did Allah '' Canceled '' all other religions Judaism and Christianity? Quran 5:48 '' And We have revealed to you [O Muhammad] the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture ( ie New and old Testament ) and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. >>>TO EACH OF YOU WE PRESCRIBED A LAW AND A METHODone nation>differ qualified < for to enter Paradise ) On the day of judgement God will ''NOT'' judge humanity bases on Sunni Muslim sect VS Shia Muslim sect ''NOR'' by Muslim VS non-Muslim >but< Doer of Goods VS Doer of Evils. '' YOUR " birth in the Muslim's family is NOT a > qualification < for to enter the Paradise. '' YOUR " religion / sect / foot long beard is NOT a > qualification < for to enter the Paradise. The > qualification < to enter Paradise is > Faith in God and Good Work

[@HearGodsWord]

You won't get to heaven through trying to earn it with good deeds.

[@annbrucepineda8093]

Very interesting.

[@annbrucepineda8093]

@@HearGodsWord I agree. “Jesus paid it all. All to Him I owe. Satan left a crimson stain; He washed it white as snow.”