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[@IndRepair]

Part two can be found at kzbin.info/www/bejne/nHSlaZ2IgceXpbs where we go over some fixes for these issues

[@REVNUMANEWBERN]

Worked at the Snapper Mower Plant 40+ years and after B&S bought us & closed us down, MANY parts that for years that was made IN HOUSE or within the state was farmed out to Shy Na , that company sold out the U.S. consumer & worker YEARS AGO !

[@IndRepair]

Interesting! Thanks for sharing!

[@arcanondrum6543]

Snapper Mower was just one of the many "Mergers and Acquisitions" that became so commonplace in the late 1980's that the first movie "Wall Street" based the story on it; Gordon Gecko and his "Greed is Good" speech. It's now 43 years after the guy who waited to get elected before he told us "Gubment Bad" and that the Corporate Taxes and the Regulations he would be Cutting were the Corporate Taxes and Regulations that Roosevelt had put in place to form the strongest Working Class AND strongest Economy the world had ever seen...

[@lynskeyti9940]

My daddy bought a 33" 13hp Snapper in the mid 90s. He's gone now and it still cuts grass.

[@IndRepair]

@@lynskeyti9940 They sure don't make them like that anymore!

[@snowgorilla9789]

My Snapper worked great for years, until I hit a stump. User error

[@jamesbrady2156]

My Zero turn Deere , 22 HP Briggs , has a circular air filter but I put a wedge behind it to force a tight fit years ago. I am glad I did . I had no idea the problems I avoided.

[@johnsmith-wd5sq]

I was thinking the same thing. When i saw the loose filter my first thought was shove something back there to make it tight. Sucks that you have to do something like that but its what you gotta do!

[@IndRepair]

Definitely!

[@IndRepair]

Fix it yourself to solve the problem. Great job!

[@robkocol5664]

Someone needs to start manufacturing and selling "Anti-Briggs" Wedges!! There's your next side hustle, niche business idea!

[@JohnSmith-pl2bk]

@@robkocol5664 Perhaps a wavy spring steel "wedge" designed to keep a predetermined pressure forcing the filter onto the cone....?

[@crisprtalk6963]

CEO: Jenkins folks are not falling for the no oil change bit. What else can we do? Gee Boss how about a loose air filter to let all that dirt get in to the engine so it will die sooner maybe even sooner than the no oil change scam!! Brilliant Jenkins!! You are invited to the Xmas party this year!!

[@IndRepair]

Haha! Would be interesting to know how that convo went! They don't even try to hide the greed anymore

[@molarguy]

Many B&S don't even have oil filters.17.5 power-built are 2 year motors.

[@IndRepair]

Definitely many out there like that

[@TCBOT]

thing is once it blowes up its being scrapped and there going to just buy a honda

[@IndRepair]

You would hope

[@mcarroll598]

I started working g on small engines about 30 years ago. It’s just crazy how equipment is made so cheap and companies want things to fail.

[@IndRepair]

They were made to last a lifetime with some maintenance back then! I'm sure you have seen some things!

[@mcarroll598]

@@IndRepair yeah man sure have! I Enjoy your channel, thanks!

[@IndRepair]

Thanks for watching take care

[@philliphall5198]

I agree they are trying hard to make the engine fail and no warranty will cover it Sorry dam company for sure 👍

[@IndRepair]

Yes

[@clintstevenson1214]

It’s called “ how cheap can you make it!” That reason is why I still have older equipment

[@IndRepair]

I love my 2007 Simplicity with Vanguard...will probably outlast me but I baby it

[@IndRepair]

Stay tuned for part two where we go over the best thought out solutions to repair the issue

[@railroad9000]

I'll be watching! Thanks Bill

[@IndRepair]

@@railroad9000 kzbin.info/www/bejne/nHSlaZ2IgceXpbs

[@paulnuske2625]

Thank you for sharing that information, it's getting harder to earn money and even harder to keep some in your pocket. Any information to help us save money is a good thing. Cheers.

[@IndRepair]

Appreciate the comment. You sure are right there

[@don1857]

I would install an O ring on the intake horn and then place a shim between the filter body and the enclosure.

[@IndRepair]

Have been playing with a few different things and Orings seem to work well but a combo would probably work best

[@Gaspipenicklioni]

I used silicone

[@danoakes4071]

I wouldn't be surprised if specs call for an o-ring, and it was just shipped without it.

[@johnrose3169]

It has definitely changed from the old days of oiled foam filters in the metal housing. I remember the days when Magnetron ignition was a Briggs innovation that was retrofitted to the older models with points. Everything is leaning away from maintenance - no oil changes - just check and add oil along with friction fit air filters. Heat/cool cycles and vibration is definitely going to affect any item that is friction fit. They need to update the design to a twist-lock style filter.

[@IndRepair]

A twist lock would be perfect!

[@REVNUMANEWBERN]

@@IndRepair Yep, or maybe a insert

[@crisprtalk6963]

Martin making all kinds of corporate friends lately! 🤣

[@IndRepair]

Thr age old battle of mechanics vs engineers

[@williamh2032]

Briggs n Scrappem!

[@IndRepair]

That's for sure!

[@andrewallen9993]

A marvelous opportunity for people like K&N to sell good aftermarket filters!

[@IndRepair]

That is a great idea!!

[@user-sp7kt7vw7w]

I appreciate the content you share, thank you.

[@IndRepair]

Thank you for watching and for your comment!

[@tommy-time5240]

I have never seen such clean equipment.

[@IndRepair]

You mean at the filters themselves or?

[@tommy-time5240]

The mowers that are in for service.@@IndRepair

[@IndRepair]

Many of them had already been cleaned during service. They seem to always come in filthy. When servicing we vacuum, use air compressor, wipe down then pressure wash

[@Big_Johns]

Tommy I was thinking the same thing while watching, I never get anything that clean to work on. 🤣🤣

[@tommy-time5240]

@@Big_Johns I thought it looked like all NEW equipment.!

[@dans9228]

Great information, thanks.

[@IndRepair]

Thanks for watching!

[@watermanone7567]

Totally agree. Also Briggs cams compassion releases on certain model engines. I have changed a few and a had to t buy aftermarket due to Briggs cams being over six months backorder to get them. And Honda 4 mix with plastic cams, Wow, shame on them.

[@IndRepair]

Have done three intek single cylinder cams and have two more on order to do next week so far this year.

[@gregorymalchuk272]

The aftermarket ones can be really bad too. Sometimes on the Chinese aftermarket ones the cam gear and cams start spinning on the camshaft. At least put a blob of MIG weld on them to stop them from spinning.

[@REVNUMANEWBERN]

@@IndRepair Takes awhile to get them from Shy Na..... B&S has had a complete engine line in Shy na for MANY YEARS

[@bigsonslawncare]

Good to know glad I've got the older 22hp Vtwin on my ZTR50 602hrs. ✔️

[@IndRepair]

Definitely better filtration!

[@michaeldeangelo5599]

100% agree…watch your back my friend ;)

[@IndRepair]

Thanks for watching!

[@SARCASTICLES]

Old dude here noticed this on his new AYP-Husqlectrolux Orangeburg Special a couple of years ago. It looked like it would draw gnats, so I made a foam donut to wrap around that sucker. I used a small diameter caulking backer/snake. Figure out the length with about two inches of overlap, lay it out on a flat surface and line up your mark. A miter cut with a razor knife keeps the lump away, (stack cut, it won't matter if you mash it, and don't cut your fingers) and a hot glue gun will tack it together on the outside. As long as the inside diameter is round, a little melting is OK on top. Snug a wedge in behind it, just to make sure it stays put. I live in the Sandhills of North Carolina, where decks go to meet their sandblasted doom. It ain't recommended to run an engine in liquid dust country with faulty filtration, neither. Thanks for the video, sir.

[@IndRepair]

This is probably the best fix I have heard of on this. Thank you for sharing, sounds like I got some work to do on this

[@SARCASTICLES]

@@IndRepairOk....I went out to the barn and looked at my mower again. I only suggested the foam snake method because it's what I had lying around, and I keep an eye on it. Most folks don't work on their own equipment anymore, they depend on somebody like you. The foam is not 100%, a better solution for your shop environment might be an O-ring that will fit in the round groove on the filter. I originally thought a more gel-like substance would be a better seal, like the stuff they make jelly fishin' worms out of. That would be good to go, only it would probably not survive the heat for long....ever notice how they melt in the tackle box, and stick together? Instead, a fat silicone O-ring has the elasticity and heat resistance, and a smooth surface to seal against plastic and rubber...I've never tried this myself, but it seems like the right thickness would both seal the crack AND keep it sealed because it pushes backwards and creates it's own wedge by pushing up against the filter housing. I hope this helps you solve this problem....and as always, if you or any of your IM Force is captured by the Briggs engineers, the Secretary will disavow any knowledge....good luck Jim!

[@IndRepair]

@@SARCASTICLES I have some big o-rings in the kits I bought that I thought I would never use. They fit perfect. Hmm...you may have found the best/easiest/cheapest solution?

[@SARCASTICLES]

@@IndRepair Groovy! I would have tried this myself before suggesting it, but I ain't got an O-ring kit. I KNEW you'd have at least one in your shop. Is it just me, or does it seem like the O-ring guy was on vacation when they went with this design? That groove in the filter, with NOTHIN' to do. It seems obvious now, but it looks like it was designed to have the seal act as a shim. You gotta wonder if the seal made it difficult for John Q. Homeowner to remove/replace his air filter during the design phase, and they just left it out. They could have just as easily molded that mount with a simple depression to hold the O-ring in place. I hadn't really thought about it much until I watched your video, I figured somebody else had come up with a fix. I know how frustrating it must be for you as a professional to know all those engines are suckin' dirt, and there's not much you can do about it. If this works, all the power equipment shops in America are waiting for your new video, just in time for grass-cuttin' season. Keep us posted.

[@anthonymarino4260]

Thanks for sharing

[@IndRepair]

Sure thing! Thanks for watching!

[@gunterbecker8528]

You an Ace man,keep it up,good work! 😊

[@IndRepair]

Thanks for watching and for your comment

[@redtobertshateshandles]

I fitted a snorkel to my push mulch mower. Without the snorkel the filter would clog every 2nd use.

[@IndRepair]

What kind of mower you running?

[@mikep303]

I'm still servicing briggs opposed twin engines from the 1970's with the 394019/394018 filters that still run perfect those were good engines if you kept clean oil and filters

[@IndRepair]

Definitely agree there. Good engines, bad design now causes failure

[@danoakes4071]

I have a Briggs 650 series that came out of the factory in 2006, missing an intake manifold gasket where it attached to the jug. Same MO, just a different application, and it has the square filter. If you have a Briggs 650 series, check the intake manifold. If it is loose, you could have the same situation, where you are sucking in dirt by design.

[@IndRepair]

Great info!

[@neverendingmods]

It's because these small engine mowers are made over seas . The filters, cables, and other small external parts are made in a different country than the rest of the engine and deck. I worked with a few guys who were all excited about buying a mower that didn't need oil changes. One guy spent $3k on a rider for his yard. It lasted 2.5 years. My rear drive, walk behind bagger craftsman mower w\briggs motor is over 20 yrs old. I change the air filter and oil before each season. Clean the plug and starts 1st pull after priming it. Only downside is the rear wheels are $100 a pair and only last about 5 yrs. Getting really hard to find replacements now. Probably just bought the last set on earth.

[@IndRepair]

Yeah, it sure has gotten crazy in regards to quality?

[@dominicbakken]

When servicing my/customer machines I have resorted to motorcycle industry techniques. Adding grease or even foam to the filter in pipe. Also upgrading fuel supply line to full copper or on the cheap premium fuel hose Thank you for this upload, will tell customers to watch.

[@IndRepair]

Definitely helps! Thanks for watching!

[@redtobertshateshandles]

Or tough gasket goo. Grey Permatex or whatever brand.

[@jasonsmith373]

I just picked up a 2020 D170...exact same issue w/ loose filter. I'm going to Jerry rig mine to be tighter or wrap that area with some good pre-filter foam to create a breathable barrier. Even an old clean wash cloth would work.

[@IndRepair]

Definitely better than leaving it as is. Thanks for watching!

[@JohnSmith-pl2bk]

Some sort of spring or a couple of springs pushing on the arse of the filter..forcing it onto the cone at the other end??? And fit a large O ring to form a prefect seal on the cone/filter junction?

[@JimFrye-ub3kq]

The deck and engine on this unit looks like it's been through a war. I can only imagine what the cooling fins look like.. With Proper maintenance these engines will run a hell of a lot of hrs. with little or no problems. At least that's been my experience

[@IndRepair]

See some with little issues after hundreds of maintained hours and others fail after less than 200

[@johnhenry5197]

I appreciate that you pointed this out. I was hoping you might have figured a way to deal with it. Ideas?

[@IndRepair]

We have been using heavy weight high temp silicone grease that we use for pneumatic tools for quite some time. It seems to work well but only time will tell if it is a solution that ultimately works. Some have suggested something to wedge it further forward if really loose

[@johnhenry5197]

@@IndRepair Perhaps safety wire to pull the entire filter toward the seal??? My mower has this style so I will be checking this. Thanks again for bringing this to peoples attention.

[@IndRepair]

May actually be pretty easy. Interesting thought! I will be working more on it as the ones installed last year come in for service. Thanks for watching!

[@ninevoltmodz4687]

Me and my buddies run those vtwins on our pulley swapped mowers. That wide air filter would not clip in like my buddies did, from what I could tell the shroud has little notches that it clips into, and mine must be worn down slightly. I ended up stuffing a rag in front of the filter to keep it tight on there.

[@IndRepair]

If it works, it works. Thanks for watching and for sharing your experience

[@crowbar3157]

Thanks for sharing I guess if I bought one with that filter type I would hot glue some foam rubber on the cover to put tension on the filter

[@IndRepair]

That is a good idea!

[@user-rp3ev5kz2o]

The covers keep them from moving, you can see all the inside of filters where clean and not pulling dust through. But Briggs I wouldn't own one

[@crowbar3157]

@@user-rp3ev5kz2o yeah I was just going by what they were talking about, I figured the cover might push it tight against the filter. I always look in the manifold and they are always spotless

[@IndRepair]

The filter will not get dirty but inside intake definitely does

[@IndRepair]

Seeing a bunch of dirty ones like these lately. Filter cover does not hold anything in place

[@mikesbarn1858]

I have the 747 version from 16-18 years ago. Never had that problem. Interesting. I’ll have to run a scope in there to look.

[@IndRepair]

Same style setup?

[@adnacraigo6590]

Sad state of affairs at Breaks and Scrappem.

[@IndRepair]

I am telling you!

[@mx-racer88]

Would it be possible to retrofit to the older B&S air filter setup with the flat pleated filter from the newer style oval filter.

[@IndRepair]

I believe so but I have not tried it. Both intake manifolds also likely have to be changed. It would probably be way more money than anyone would expect

[@ted1792]

Previous filters on the v twins didn't always fit right either. Plastic has something to do with it. I used silicone to seal the breather on 2 different v twin Briggs engines. Looks like they were trying to improve the filters, but again plastic interfered again.

[@IndRepair]

I thought new they always fit well but using plastic warping is possible at any time. The intakes of these style engines warp so bad they need to be replaced, if removed, after a couple hundred hours also

[@carolscott6644]

P.S. That BadBoy is a beast of a mower, love it!....Al Scott

[@IndRepair]

Yes it sure is! Should be the video next week about it loosing power long as I get parts on time

[@larryperdue508]

What I personally would do is clean the intake tube and make a piece of PVC just long enough so that filter fits onto the intake tube and epoxy it to the intake tube.

[@IndRepair]

Interesting, something that fit tight and just larger than the oem intake tube your thinking? Maybe just a small piece to fill the gap?

[@sneak6654]

Just thinking out loud, could you use some small self tapping screws to secure the filter to the housing to prevent the air gap? Or a wedge of some type to keep that filter snug.

[@IndRepair]

A wedge or piece of rubber may work, you would not want to screw into it

[@TheBattman7772]

He's mainly pointing out that they come like that from the factory and the average Joe isn't going to ever even notice anything like that even after they replaced the engine or mower, which is 90% of the general population

[@IndRepair]

@@TheBattman7772 We just trust too much that things are designed to work properly and give us the best. The opposite it quick becoming the norm in most areas anymore

[@Paul070]

I have a 2003 craftsman LT2000 with the intek 22 hp and never had a problem with it. Oil and filter every spring and plugs every 2 years, air filter and pre filter as needed. I did do fuel lines and fuel pump last spring for good measure. Only run premium 91 or 93 octane fuel also.

[@IndRepair]

They made a great engine once it is just the newer ones are made completely different

[@Paul070]

​@@IndRepair has nobody come out with a "fix" for the new style?

[@IndRepair]

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[@railroad9000]

Just purchsed a brand new (made 2/24 in Canada) Craftsman T110 and the air filter is not as thight as I think it should be! So what is the solution to make our engines last a long time?

[@IndRepair]

Stay tuned the video will be out next week

[@joekurzeja3455]

Does the vacuum from the engine pull the filter tight when it’s running?

[@IndRepair]

Not enough suction to do that

[@scottymoondogjakubin4766]

Ive had 2 !they all got oil changes twice a season ! The rods explode and take out everything ! Cams - lifters block ! No warning !

[@IndRepair]

Most have plastic for governor but never a bushing made of plastic in a high torgue area. Junk.

[@JohnD-JohnD]

Guessing they are going with those newer round filters to increase air flow to the engine to get the HP up on them.

[@IndRepair]

They do some weird things with filters and exhausts to up horsepower so I can definitely believe that one

[@JohnD-JohnD]

@@IndRepair Yeah, round filter has more surface area for the air to pass through it. More air leads to more HP. That's the only reason I can see why they did this.. Granted, they did it poorly.

[@IndRepair]

For sure

[@MrTheHillfolk]

The older batwing style inteks leaked air at the air filter horribly. These newer ones need very close inspection of the filter element fir signs of the pleats being bent, that reduces tension at the gasket when its installed. Still isnt bad to follow up with an o ring on the intake stub where the filter seats.

[@IndRepair]

Others have said this also but it only seemed to me that it happened when they had a soaked filter and tried to reinstall it. Thanks for sharing

[@MrTheHillfolk]

The newer blower housing has a taller fan and flows like 30% more cooling air , the old batwing covers would warp and pull dirt even worse.

[@IndRepair]

They definitely have improved with the "cyclonic" design

[@MrGlenferd]

I was a mechanic at a jd dealer till about 2017 when we closed. Those filters were just coming in at that time. The rubber is very soft and looking at ones you opened up the filter rubber was perfectly clean as was the plastic that it goes over. I never saw a bad one. The worst thing about those engines is the compression release sometimes breakers and then you have to buy a whole cam. The other problem is the head gasket likes to fail on the single cylinder engines allowing pressure to enter the crankcase by the area the pushrods pass through causing burning oil and sometimes oil seeping out of the fuel pump. I put one of these single cylinder engines on my friends 160 th replace a Kawasaki and he finds that it uses less fuel , because it is overhead valve as opposed the the 12 hp kow. And it's noisier which I blame on it being so light. It feels like it weighs half as much as the old engine.

[@IndRepair]

I have just been seeing dust/debris on choke plates and intakes lately when having these apart. Loose filters will always pull in debris

[@IndRepair]

Some seems to fit almost perfect and others not at all. Very strange

[@chavster6969]

I own a 22 hp briggs.. the correct original filter fits fine. (Without the pre filter type..) those are aftermarket filters or incorrect ones.. the length of filter is different with the pre-filter one…

[@IndRepair]

Definitely OEM filters bought right from the source. Depends on the machines looks like here but check it out to be sure

[@mengkong5690]

That's why I try to stay away from Briggs engines. Thanks for the information.

[@IndRepair]

Make it to break it and sell twice as many over the next decade is the logic I'm sure

[@irishluckk]

I have a 1962 farmall 460 tractor, i replaced the coil, plugs and wires. Still starts right up

[@IndRepair]

Made to last!

[@Idrinklight44]

It's any manufactured item, heck even aircraft!!!

[@IndRepair]

Crazy!

[@jp-us9rq]

Good to know I just checked out my e130 its tight hard to get out guess I'm lucky lol not what if it would get loose can I jam something behind it to push it in tighter what would I use

[@IndRepair]

That is great news! Heavy weight high temp silicon layer and some other have suggested a wedge or piece of rubber or plastic

[@jp-us9rq]

@@IndRepair thanks for the info

[@IndRepair]

@@jp-us9rq Thanks for watching!

[@RJLmachinery]

Quality has dropped off massively in the last 10years. What is your fix for the filters? I've wrapped some tape around the housing b4 to make it a snugger fit. 👍

[@IndRepair]

I don't really have a "fix" we use a heavy silicone grease that seems to seal it up well and keep the rubber airtight. Tape is an Interesting idea

[@jonbarfield4915]

Briggs has a long history of messing up. In the early 1990s they had fuel cutoff build into the tank. They started with rebuild kits for a few years then they did away with the cutoff. During that time they had airfilter housing would D laminate causing dirt to get in. Lawnboys M nightmare. The F series was bulletproof .

[@IndRepair]

Interesting! Thanks for sharing!

[@Nick41622]

Whatever happened to the screw-down air filter. They were the best. No dirt intrusion. My Briggs Stratton 17-horsepower Intek engine is 24 years old and still runs like a clock.

[@IndRepair]

Definitely made them well until the overengineered it to death

[@David-yy7lb]

I also have a 97' Yard Machine MTD riding mower with a 12.5 flathead B/S original motor no knocking or smoking that has an oval air air filter thats screwed on and i still mows my 2 acres every year with it👍🏿..i guess they don't make them like they use to🤦🏿‍♂️

[@IndRepair]

Definitely true there!

[@j5962]

Even with minor dirt ingestion, those briggs won't wear out before the junk they're mounted to will. For a cheap V-twin, they're pretty good. The dirty ones didn't look too bad inside the intake anyway.

[@IndRepair]

Many of these are mounted on pretty good machines. That simplicity mower will outlast the engine if taken care of. It is just crazy how they design them to fail. One at the gap there is going to be a huge vacuum sucking it straight into the engine. Does not take much to cause a stuck valve with low tolerances

[@j5962]

@IndRepair ur right.. just finished fixing up a snapper pro with one.. runs great. Just needed spindles, deck idlers, trans belt, caster seal, tube, seat cover, and a service 😀

[@IndRepair]

Haha that is all? What did you do with the rest of the day?

[@j5962]

@IndRepair oh I forgot.. the front deck hanger was broken, and someone used springs to keep it in place.. the rear deck idler was about to cut through the trans mount. Used some scrap to fab a new hanger. Also, someone hammered that caster bearing housing out of round trying to straighten impact damage. That seal was fun to get in. Only 3 or 4 others got fixed that day. We just had a spring sale.. sold almost 40 zero turns(mostly scag) in 2 weeks. Been prepin non-stop.

[@IndRepair]

That is awesome!!

[@SupremeOverlord10]

To your topic of throwaway mowers. I bought a push mower one year ago. It had no fuel filter, so I added one. Due to the height of the tank, there is no head pressure, so just adding a filter caused it to start to gallop as the fuel ran out. Next I added a new fuel tank at the push bar, which raised the head to more than 18 inches. This fixed the running out of fuel. When I wanted to change the oil, I noticed there was no drain plug. So, had to flip the mower over to drain. Both problems tell me the mfg cuts every corner, for every penny. What a sorry state manufacturing is in.

[@IndRepair]

Absolutely!

[@Thomas63r2]

Engineering mistakes happen, its not always a conspiracy. I've been working on cars trucks and equipment for almost 50 years, and I've seen plenty of faulty designs over that time - even on some of the so called they don't make them like that anymore models. Whenever I run across designs that missed the mark I make corrections. I don't have any like this, but I would either retrofit it with a prior design if possible, or improve the seal - for sure I would at least figure out how to wedge the filter more firmly in place.

[@IndRepair]

Definitely! The problem I have with them is obvious engineering mistakes happen and they are never addressed, just pumped out faster and faster. Automatic compression release on intek camshafts for instance. Been making them like that for a long time and a $5 redesign on a $100 part would fix the issue. They continue to make them with plastic instead. They market it like it's your saving grace when really it is just their best idea to get out of bankruptcy

[@Thomas63r2]

@@IndRepair All true. Sometimes the aftermarket steps in with a more durable design replacement part. It is supposed to be a competitive marketplace, where anyone can step forward with a better design and attract customers. If no one is building better design products that may mean the market is too small for a competitor - or that the actual failure rate is lower than you think.

[@IndRepair]

They make replacement camshafts for around $30. Redesign and tooling would be extremely pricey. Why redesign it to be better when you can sell twice as many? I think you underestimate corporate greed. Money talks and greed guides companies under the veil of having a "responsibility to the shareholders".

[@Thomas63r2]

@@IndRepair I do not underestimate greed. In this case I think the basic problem is there are few competitors to light a fire under their corporate arse.

[@IndRepair]

I definitely agree there. Hopefully at some point we get that

[@RK777PL]

Answer this question for me if I maintain my Kawasaki FS series engine very well which I do with all my stuff what's the expectancy of life in hours basically how many hours can I put on a machine what do you think give me an idea please once again it's a Kawasaki FS600 series engine the mitol grade Kawasaki

[@IndRepair]

It really depends on many things but with great maintenance up to 2500 hours. Most times I see them go in the 1500 to 2000 hour range

[@aeroearth]

Had a Briggs and Stratton engined push lawn mower that seized. Took it apart and surprise suprise, it had a ringed aluminium piston running in a plain aluminium bore !!! Doh !!! Guaranteed to fail !!! Bought a ride on mower a few years later and I instructed the Salesman, I DO NOT WANT ANYTHING WITH A BRIGGS AND STRATTON ENGINE. So he sold me a 15HP Kawasaki engined lawn mower that's still going 18 years later. Local Dealer told me if he sold a Bull and Shit engined lawn mower, he had a special pre delivery technique. First he removed the spark plug and squirted some engine oil down the plug hole. Rolled the mower around in his hands for the oil to coat the bore, then turned it over very gently by hand. Next mixed up 25 to 1 two stroke fuel and filled the tank. Then attempted to start it. If it still seized and some still did, he'd call Bull and Shit who would send him a new engine, no questions asked and no they DID NOT want the seized engine back for analysis. Seventy years ago or so Briggs and Stratton made engines that lasted. Not any more.

[@IndRepair]

Interesting!

[@IndRepair]

Thanks for sharing!

[@applianceman6009]

I haven’t seen any of these with a loose filter. Heck, I had to destroy the filter to just get it out!!

[@IndRepair]

Have never seen one stuck like that

[@UQRXD]

I never saw a manual that said don't change the oil. Infract they all give recommended change intervals. So done with this video at1:08 thank you.

[@IndRepair]

See Briggs & Stratton publication at www.briggsandstratton.com/na/en_us/innovations/push-mowers/just-check-and-add-technology.html

[@IndRepair]

This is something they have been doing for a few years. Have 6 or 8 of them in the shop says NEVER change the oil on top of the shroud "just check and add"

[@IndRepair]

Directly from the website "Engine maintenance made easy with no oil changes needed ever*. Simply check your oil levels, and add as you go."

[@IndRepair]

Directly from the website "Engine maintenance made easy with no oil changes needed ever*. Simply check your oil levels, and add as you go."

[@UQRXD]

@@IndRepair I just got a new Briggs engine for my riding mower and it gives the recommended oil change intervals. The new engine also came with an oil filter the old one did not use one. 17.5 hp. So i am confused.

[@REVNUMANEWBERN]

Don't think, we who worked there KNOW, Shy Na, Shy Na, BUT you having access to all those different setups could clearly design a donut type insert that would fit between both & then sell them!

[@IndRepair]

Definitely! I have been playing with a couple different things to solve the problem. We will have a follow up video in the next couple weeks. Thanks for your input!

[@UnrealVideoDuke]

That should be a huge recall on the engines or at least a proper repair kit made to fix the issue. Most air filters are clamped down to hold them sealed and in place. Seeing carburetors made out of plastic is a no sale for me. Using plastic more in the construction of the engines only insulates the heat which makes the engine run hotter and fail more often.

[@IndRepair]

It sure does! I wish they would but nothing will likely be done!

[@edwardg9695]

Same thing with Car manufacturers increasing the oil interval. I have never seen so many used cars that "need engine"

[@IndRepair]

Yeah for sure! 5,000 or 7,500 or 10,000 mile oil change is plenty

[@kmichael2248]

They also have introduced automatic transmissions with no way to drain or fill transmission fluids.

[@IndRepair]

@@kmichael2248 I have heard about this, how crazy!!

[@michealross5318]

I have a 1974 kohler k321 on a case 224 tractor its all original except the carb.

[@IndRepair]

They sure don't make them like that anymore!

[@steveriggenbach90]

Appears to be converting to a cheaper already made items. Pushing things through fast but not properly. Thanks for showing things like this.

[@IndRepair]

Definitely so

[@michaelfarris2556]

Tell it how it is, but yes, it's a bad design, plus the engineering has a lot to do with it. They make money cutting cost and creating problems.

[@IndRepair]

@@michaelfarris2556 Engineers, got to love them!

[@db3170]

Grease is the answer 🎉 thats old school must do

[@IndRepair]

Definitely!

[@patrickglasscock4884]

@@IndRepair Regular grease will damage the rubber. Use silicon grease on rubber!

[@IndRepair]

@@patrickglasscock4884 High temp silicone all we use

[@JohnSmith-pl2bk]

Those deforming filters need spring clips anchored off that ring where the filter slips over the cone..... the spring clips need to go to the opposite end of the filter and draw the filter tightly onto that cone. $1 of steel and problem solved....

[@IndRepair]

You are saying a flat piece of spring type metal in the back of the filter essentially pushing it forward toward the intake?

[@JohnSmith-pl2bk]

@@IndRepair That was my original suggestion building on the wedge idea. This conversely is an alternative.... being a steel collar around where the cone is where the filter fits... anchoring steel spring clips that go from that anchor point right over the filter length an snap over the end of the filter base...thus drawing it towards the cone. (Larger versions of the spring clips that held on distributor caps in the good old days?) I saw in another comment the O ring possibility... is this O ring to fit in a groove already in the filter's throat?? If so why did they not fit one OEM???? Or fit one to a groove in the cone? Or both?

[@IndRepair]

@@JohnSmith-pl2bk I have tried putting an o-ring around the intake circle where the filter actually comes to mount. On the 792105 larger filter it works very well, on the others 5428k, 5415k, 5429k, etc. it does not seem to work and I do not think the spring design would help either on those filter designs

[@gregorymalchuk272]

We need minimum quality standards for all manufactured devices. Like cars should have mandatory dipsticks for oil and transmission fluid. Washing machine transmissions should last 40 years. And lawnmowers should have to have air filters that actually seal to the intake.

[@IndRepair]

Haha, exactly!

[@kennyknopp256]

Don't forget to oil the pre filter

[@IndRepair]

Of course

[@chrisowen9378]

I know the designs are flawed but I'm curious. Would the Oregon or stens filters fit more snuggly. I bet you'd be surprised that they actually do. Let us know !!!

[@IndRepair]

That is a good question! I have not used any aftermarket replacements on these for many years but with the way these are fitting it may be the answer

[@user-nk3tt6zt2l]

All corporations are on the same page, build it cheep sell it for an inflated price keep the shareholders happy, keep the consumer spending.

[@IndRepair]

It is what they love you to do. Consume, consume

[@ronl2463]

My kohler in my Deere is just fine after over 25 years.

[@IndRepair]

I believe it!

[@kevinhullinger8743]

Built in fail points seems to be the new trend.

[@IndRepair]

Helps with sales!

[@drunkingsailor2359]

Planned obsolescence isn't a coincidence.

[@IndRepair]

Definitely!

[@Bushman9]

Would a wrap of duct tape help?

[@IndRepair]

I think it would be hard to uniformly seal. Have a video coming soon about some fixes

[@shmuck66]

Great video. I agree demonstrating the problem is one thing. I get Briggs is BS lately. But......... no offer of solutions here for the team here? Like. Not a ounce of a solution? "Oh well your Briggs is gonna die from faulty filter design" *shrugs*. Gee, with that kind of attitude, no wonder corporate america is walking over everyone. They are all door mats. 1. this should be raised as an issue to the FTC. 2. post a stupid simple fix (hose clamp, screw, 3d printed part, lego block propping the filter up), as evidence to show how simple the problem could be fixed that a giant corporation like Briggs could have no excuse for missing, such that it proves they are scammers. Further giving weight for the FTC to crack them upside the head. 3. This stupid simple solution could help out all those people out there currently suffering with a limp d**k air filter. If we want things to get better, we need people to step up. Unfortunately I won't be home to check on my v-twin until May, but I certainly will be addressing this issue and I'd be happy to post the solution for everyone if I can fix it simply and easily. From the video I guess a small slice of 2 inch silicone hose or PVC will slap this problem in the face.

[@IndRepair]

Will be next week's video...had a few good ideas but like to build on the audiences experience and input

[@BigEightiesNewWave]

It's building it up "here" because it never got sucked into the intake.

[@IndRepair]

See where I run my finger across the inside of circular plastic of the bad one. You can clearly see the dust buildup. It shows almost every time built up around the choke plate when having the carburetor off. They are not sealing

[@Kenjiro5775]

You mentioned the reasons I completely ditched gas and battery powered lawn equipment. I now mow with an Austrian style scythe. I can hear the bids when I mow and I do not bother the neighborhood with engine noises.

[@IndRepair]

That is awesome!

[@efraingarciaescalante2824]

I love my kawasaki engine with two filters heavy duty.😅😅

[@IndRepair]

Those are wonderful engines!

[@privatedata665]

I no longer buy lawnmowers with a B&S engine . If I owned one of these engines with a poorly designed air filter I'd take the time to find a solution .

[@IndRepair]

You can find our followup at kzbin.info/www/bejne/nHSlaZ2IgceXpbs

[@IndRepair]

We show solutions here

[@MarkSmith-js2pu]

Where are these things made?

[@IndRepair]

They are put together mostly in the US I believe? All foreign or mostly foreign parts I would guess

[@davidwillard7334]

My old Automotive Teacher ! Refered to them as the , The Wisconsin Engine , Because Milwaukee Wisconsin ! Was the Home ! ( It Reminded me to much ! Of the T.V Show ! Happy days ! )

[@IndRepair]

The good old days! That's awesome!

[@philliphall5198]

I think b/s has just about done everything possible to stop folks from buying there engines 😢😢😢

[@IndRepair]

Definitely

[@maxwebster7572]

I don't really see the dirt tracking to indicate leakage past the seals in your video. It has a shiny ring. Not to say the design is any good but you should see tracks. I do cement saws full time and when an air filter has a hole you see dust everywhere including choke plates.

[@IndRepair]

Can't really see the choke plate on this to confirm it has been engulfing dust until you take it apart. When I run my finger across the inside of the dirty intake in the video you can see the dust come off the inner intake tube. This will be the area that has the least dust of anywhere but the inside of the intake elbow and choke plate are most times completely packed

[@markdanielczyk944]

Two o rings, and a piece of rubber mudflap, problem solved! Damn engineers!

[@IndRepair]

Yes sir!

[@poker8193]

Manufacturing company’s don’t care how crappy it is cuz people keep buying them

[@IndRepair]

The sellers dream!

[@wallacegrommet3479]

Love my kabota Kawasaki

[@IndRepair]

Definitely a monster engine and mower!!

[@OlJarhead]

I swore off B&S decades ago

[@IndRepair]

Wise choise!

[@rodwilliams5074]

Coincidence takes planning.

[@IndRepair]

Haha that is for sure 😄

[@jamesharrison6201]

Plastic heat cycles like metal. At least with metal some had clamps.

[@IndRepair]

Very true!

[@sharonmccoy]

It’s all about money. And a throwaway society.

[@IndRepair]

We sure are a toss away society on anything anymore! They make way more money that way

[@MrZimmaframe]

All it will take is a Chinese company to use the old type of filter and a simpler mower design, with less to go wrong at a cheaper price, and most known brands will be done in a few years. I fricking hate buying Chinese stuff, but their quality is getting better, cheaper end cost, cheaper parts, and their reliability is getting better.

[@IndRepair]

Definitely so

[@georgestrickland9278]

always buy the vtwin briggs,still a good engine,stay away from the single cylinder briggs,compression release failure is way too common

[@IndRepair]

I see a lot of failures way too often anymore. From a couple hundred hours with seals leaking everywhere to bad valve guides and bent pushrods just aren't made like they used to be

[@BigPoppa-Monk]

Those Intec engines are garbage.

[@IndRepair]

They sure are! They used to be a decent engine but been going downhill for a long time

[@vikingerik80]

I think a 2012-2015 Intek is a solid engine. Not the newer ones

[@IndRepair]

The v twins

[@jasonsmith373]

The only way they can keep them affordable and build them in the U.S. is to make them cheaper. Otherwise, a standard 42" consumers grade rider would be like $5000. If you adjust for inflation what my grandfather's 38" 12hp Murray cost him in 1983, it would be $3000 today, lol. We've given up some quality for affordability and to keep a lot of those jobs in America. There are lots of people who still need that basic $1600 riding mower to get them through, because that's what they can afford.

[@IndRepair]

Most lawn equipment is assembled in the USA but the parts are mostly global non us parts. I agree, you have to have an affordable line. The engine is not where you should sacrifice quality in my opinion. Buy something made well, even if it is painful. It will pay you back with lack of frustration in no time and give you much more life with a little maintenance

[@118armando]

Briggs is Making them to fail I see it all the time And worse is the pressure release valve on the camshaft

[@IndRepair]

I used to see it every once in a while but this year has seemed like just about every filter does not fit tightly even after just a short time installed. I have done 3 camshafts so far this year since the low speed compression release failed. I have two more waiting on a few more parts (I stock the 793880)

[@tombeck2792]

looks the molding of the snorkel is out of spec.

[@IndRepair]

Looks to me that way also!

[@orthogluchensnable6777]

Great video shows you what’s wrong but does not address how to fix it just as bad as the planned obsolescence

[@IndRepair]

I had a few ideas but nothing I thought would work well enough to show. Viewers have mentioned many fixes I have been testing a few variations with one of my ideas and these. We will do a video on repairing the problem when we have a solution that works well

[@hunterprowsemrereviews9141]

This is why I refuse to buy anything with a Briggs and Stratton engine. They have literally sent themselves into the literal shitter by designing garbage like this to fail prematurely and cost you a new mower every season. Simple solution, buy a mower with a Kohler or Kawasaki, and you’ll avoid the headaches. We bought a Cub Cadet XT1 before the price jump for 1400 dollars, and we still have it, and it’s still going strong with over 500 hours on it now. Don’t know how long it’ll go, but I know if it had a Briggs and Stratton on it, it would’ve tapped out years ago. Probably around the 150 hour mark it’d be done. I know Kawasaki is a 10,000 hr engine at least. That’s the most hrs I’ve ever heard of on one. Came from a commercial grade John Deere Z994R that was mowing a golf course. Took them 10 hours to mow it each time, and mowed it twice a week. Never had a mechanical failure, never had, a single failure of anything. Just general wear items that get replaced, oil, filters, belts, and blades, the spindles even lasted cause they were grease able type. It was quite phenomenal. Deck held up because it was cleaned after each mow. And it was the 7Iron heave duty fabricated deck.

[@IndRepair]

Those John Deere 7 iron decks are no joke. The Kohler or kawasaki will run with major neglect for a long period. Engulf dirt in the intake on this one and wait for the valve train issues that are sure to follow

[@hunterprowsemrereviews9141]

@@IndRepair Definitely no joke. I’d figure once the Cub Cadet XT1 taps out, our next one will likely be a John Deere zero turn with a Kawasaki, and a 7Iron deck. The combo of the two would be bullet proof, and even if I had to buy used, it would still out last a new lower grade mower.

[@IndRepair]

I see a couple with over 3,000 hours come in every year for service

[@hunterprowsemrereviews9141]

@@IndRepair Oh nice! As long as they keep that service up, which I’m sure they will, I’d expect at least another 7,000 hrs out of it.

[@mx-racer88]

@@hunterprowsemrereviews9141 If you want a really solid mower you should check out the SCAG line.