SEE UPDATE BELOW Moto Guzzi V7 850 2021 Mistral exhaust pipes 220521 ROAD TEST and Garage

[@kennethhancock2433]

Sitting in neutral and blipping the throttle shows nothing. Most videos don’t show riding by.but yours did and it’s greatly appreciated. The V7 sounds so much better with the Mistrals.

[@Theophilus1968]

Leave the baffles OUT for the love of God. The sound is glorious!

[@Asstasticplastic2]

That’s how I feel too!!

[@TheWeidemans]

That comment was awesome! It made me laugh because I wholeheartedly agree!!

[@frase32]

The issue is, with the DB killers out the bike runs too lean. I do agree it sounds great though.

[@johnsmidd2105]

@@frase32 Just get a powercommander and make it suck some more fuel+air

[@Zimmermann310]

Here in Australia nobody will let this baffler in. Great sound mate.

[@mrsilbo6499]

Kudos to Mrs David for filming in the pouring rain! It's perfectly simple - standard exhausts (good), Mistral with dB killers (better), Mistral without dB killers (best). Top job!

[@davidberman5121]

She had an umbrella but I did have to raise my voice a few times to remind her it IS FOR THE CAMERA! haha. Ride today and have decided with DB in is best. Performance appears to be right where as OUT will need remap.

[@axlsane427]

You're one of the few who bought the V7 Special instead of the Stone. Much better. Well done!!!

[@matusknives]

The stock pipes don't do the lovely engine enough justice. Kudos for finishing the road testing in spite of the weather!

[@davidberman5121]

Thank you. The Mistral pipes sound just perfect for the bike. A shame MG have to fit ones that sound so ‘Honda’ 😂

[@matusknives]

@@davidberman5121 'Honda sound', that is a good one 😅

[@Ber752]

DB killers OUT ! Great review DB

[@stevemiller1203]

By the way, you said you're not a professional tester, you did a better job than a lot of the "professionals".

[@davidberman5121]

Thank you Sir

[@christianlg8675]

Great video David ! Having a V7 850 with Mistral exhaust I am a supporter of dB killers in. The sound is already great (for me 😊) and definitely not to loud for neighbours and people around. I have also to add that Mistrals are giving the Guzzi a more untamed nature with more character and charisma (understand defaults : vibrations and lively idle 😊) and a nicer look (shorter exhaust)

[@drbn3245]

I would let the DB killers in. Sounds great and fits better to the relaxed nature of the bike for my taste. Anyway enjoy and have fun

[@davidberman5121]

@@drbn3245 it is the best for me to leave them in. Just perfect sound.

[@yuriymolchanov8711]

Hi, David Thanks a lot for your comparison test. Short, clear and to the point. Thanks to you I bought the exact same Mistral mufflers. I chose the DB killer in. Tasty enough sound, but not loud enough to annoy others and attract the attention of dogs. Brgds Yuriy

[@davidberman5121]

Thank you for your kind words and sorry to have made you spend your money!

[@dreamreaver23]

great review, i will get mine installed this week, getting my Mistrals tomorrow, and will install them on wednesday or thursday and do some tests, and comparisons. i will post the results on my channel probably next saturday. it would be interesting to see if mine act similarly with the throttle response. Keep us updated David, and thanks for the great video.

[@davidberman5121]

Nice one. They were super easy fit. I will be really interested to hear your report. 👍

[@davidberman5121]

Oh. Did you see my comment on your Redit? About service intervals and the like?

[@dreamreaver23]

@@davidberman5121 no, didn't see it. Let me see if I can find it

[@mrsilbo6499]

I'll be watching! 👍

[@davidberman5121]

Mistral contacted me to say that with DB OUT, you will need a remap. I rode today with them in and they were spot on. 👏

[@Deetroiter]

Sounds truly wicked without the killers in. I have a v7 classic that came stock with lafranconi cans and they sound mellow and mean like a muscle car, but doesn’t compare to your exhausts! Thanks for sharing

[@pwokaren]

What a great way to demonstrate and show the difference. I definitely liked the sound with the DB Killers out. ⭐️🇦🇺

[@maxholley2602]

Personally I preferred the sound with out the DB killer in, however would probably keep it in for long journeys.

[@davidberman5121]

In the video and, On the side of the road, they sounded ok but I think for the civilians it might be too much.

[@kasimjabari]

Motorcycles are defined by their stance, and their acoustics, at least for most people. In your bike, the DB killers out makes the best fit. I find the stock pipes appealing if you ride in a big city since its pleasing to most people. I am sure that is the actual intent of the designers. However, the rumbling resonances is irresistible, a lovely mechanical music adding an special character to the machine. Thanks for posting this fine video.

[@davidberman5121]

Thank you Sam. the DB killers in is a good sound but performance still needs to be sorted out.

[@timothybrockbank7474]

I need this bike in my life

[@davidberman5121]

@@timothybrockbank7474 certainly worth considering. Ideal first, additional or ‘last’ bike. (Must not buy more bikes!)

[@kildareman051]

Stock, as usual, sounds very anemic. Mistral sounds lovely without being obnoxious. I'll be ordering a set when I order the bike.

[@davidberman5121]

Stock isn’t too bad to be honest. I would say they just needed a touch more bass and rumble and they would have been great.

[@markcole1400]

I have a Yamaha 650 dragster. Took the baffles out standard exhaust, adjusted the carbs , performance air filter. Man does she sound sweet, nothing like an unrestricted V twin . Mind you I live in Hungary so no noise police. I would always go straight through pipes on a V twin but then again it all depends on the laws of the country you live in 😊👍

[@aaron.hudacky]

Great video and review! I like the sound with the DB killers out because it's less raspy... I like the deep mellow sound. I have a 2018 V7III Special with long Mistrals. The motorcycle has just under 18,000 miles now, and I've had the Mistrals on, DB killers out, for 16,000 miles. It's never too loud, and it hasn't impacted performance, positively or negatively, except the Mistrals feel much lighter than the stock mufflers. It's a great modification and well worth the money. I love the craftsmanship of the Mistrals, and they still look new two years later.

[@davidberman5121]

Thanks buddy. 👍

[@frankg6563]

Aaron. We have the same bike and I want to put Agostinis or Mistrals on. But the word is that it is almost mandatory to flash the ECU to be safe (for the engine) and for max performance. What is your experience?

[@sykesmichael1]

Terrific video, love the V7 Special, I’m buying the white and grey one in May, thanks to your video il definitely be getting the Mistral pipes….have to hear it for myself whether baffles stay in or out. Keep on with the videos. Hi David just put the Mistral pipes on the new V7, they look and sound amazing it’s Baffles in for me. P.S I bought mine over here at Gutsibits in West Yorkshire they import from Mistral.

[@davidberman5121]

Thank you for your kind words. Exciting you are getting a bike and nice colour scheme too. Id suggest that the pipes are the best thing I changed on the bike (as well as the horn!)

[@PhilipBallGarry]

What a sacrifice you make for us David! Getting your bike mucky and both of you soaking wet - I do hope we appreciate it. Regarding using them with baffles out - definitely the best noise. The fuelling would worry me a little though - they might be a little too free-flowing. My girlfriends Dad had a similar issue with the Triumph Peashooters on his 865 T100. They sounded great (including some nice pops and crackles on deceleration) but the pick-up suffered quite badly and we worried about the long term affects of an over-lean mixture. The bike got hotter too and being air cooled (like the V7) there was concern over heat dissipation. The answer might be a power commander - but you've already spent a lot of money ;-)

[@davidberman5121]

Hey thanks bud. all this and no adverts popping up! haha. I was totally soaked and Mrs David had an umbrella and a car to drive home in! I shoot videos for a living so it is really nice to be able to do some for fun and try to help out some folks. Since the review I have been in contact with Mistral and the great MG dealer near me in Brighton UK as i experienced some less than perfect ride dynamics on a 100 shakedown last weekend with the baffles in. They both suggested a battery disconnect for 15 mins to reset the ECU. I did that and had a shorter ride yesterday morning. It all felt quite a bit better. Baffles out and you will certainly need a remap and that is what Mistral confirmed but, I have reached a conclusion that the baffles in is a much better sound for my environment, lots of small villages and horses that I don't want to piss off. The bike sounds superb with them in and the smaller pops on a trailing throttle with a very slight input are just about right. its a bit more throaty without being obnoxious and overstated.

[@PhilipBallGarry]

@@davidberman5121 Thanks David for your prompt reply to my comment. We've booked a test ride today on the V7 at our local dealer who are Midland Scooter Centre. We're (myself and Kels) both looking forward to it very much. They haven't confirmed the booking yet but hope they do this morning. We were initially considering the V9 Bobber but the reviews say that fat front tyre really spoils the handling. Tried a Triumph Streetmaster but the seat is both over-firm and too narrow for comfort. I did like the torque and sound of the latest incarnation of the 900 WC engine though. Sadly, dealers have no stock till October and I don't want to buy a bike right at the end of the biking season. Plus, the Guzzi is a little less mainstream which I like. In terms of character - I've had both the 1150 and 1200 BMW RT's so I'm expecting something very similar with the V7.?

[@davidberman5121]

@@PhilipBallGarry I had a 2010 BMW RT for years. The longest I have ever owned a vehicle and absolutely loved it. I find the Guzzi has so much character and that superb engine feel of the torque twist and shimmy. I also considered the triumph scrambler and some other variants but the chain and other things changed my mind. I had a mk1 V7 a few years back and the size, charm and ease of the ride was something that i kept in my head. I kept the RT as I thought I would be commuting more and crossing continents with my buddies but things change and I started to find the RT just a bit too big and unwieldy for my use. I don't think I could have found a better bike for high days and holidays. It's no rocket ship, but that's fine. Up to legal speeds it is more than adequate. For overtakes it is fine for looks? I don't think it can be beaten. I have had 150 mile rides without arse ache and find the seat comfy and leg position spot on for my 5'10 29inch inside leg. There is also a really friendly, active facebook group 'Moto Guzzi V7 UK' Good luck with your test. Interested to hear your thoughts when you get back.

[@davidberman5121]

@@PhilipBallGarry Oh, I forgot to add. Once you throw you leg over you become more attractive and 20 years younger. That said, I havent had women throwing themselves at me. Yet! haha

[@PhilipBallGarry]

@@davidberman5121 Our test ride on the Moto Guzzi V9 Stone (black). Well, it was certainly "interesting". First the good bits. Thumbing the starter button (not the mode switch - idiot) the whole bike trembles a little and turns over more than I'm used to and definitely reminds me very much of my air cooled boxer twins. Then it starts and in my head I'm Doctor Frankenstein shouting "It's alive!". Then Boris sits quivering and ready for adventure. And now I'm thinking of the Gene Wilder film of the same name as we climb aboard "Putting on the Ritz". Gentle clunk into 1st I stab the shift lever a few times to make sure (it's not too positive) and away we go. The Guzzi is exactly as promised, a living, breathing thing so genuine to it's roots. There's plenty of power and 6th gear is a true "overdrive". The not-so-good. This particular demonstrator had a fuelling issue at low revs in 1st gear (to be fair, we were warned about it), surging and threating to constantly cut out. I rode around this of course with plenty of coasting and clutch slipping but it made it almost unrideable at low speed. The seat - though comfortable was too short for two-up riding and the suspension set-up was too firm - we were unceremoniously bucked out of the seat many times over our hour long test ride. Neutral was difficult to engage and several times lied to me. Letting out the clutch (cautiously) the neutral indicator would wink out and the bike would move forward - clearly not neutral at all. The fuel consumption was reporting 199 mpg and the average speed indicated was 130 mph - clearly a gremlin or two. The black exhaust covers on this almost new bike had already faded to a dark grey which spoiled the look somewhat. We were really disappointed as from the moment the bike started, we were already smiling with delightful anticipation at a bike which promised to be true to it's roots, improved a great deal but not ruined by being sterilised, too modern and too perfect. We really wanted to like this bike (sad emoji). The dealer promised to give us a call when the bike is sorted so we can have another go.

[@djeejah]

loved the comparison but to be fair it would require an arrows stock from the special edition with a mistral add on

[@davidberman5121]

If they wanna send me one I’ll give it a go! Haha

[@scottburghart9278]

DB killers in as your throttle response may suffer with them out......happens on some bikes. I have the Agostini pipes ( DB killer in) on my 2020 V7III special.....spectacular bike and love the color and style on yours.....they nailed it! Enjoy

[@punkrockdidi]

Had the same "problem" with my v7 || when I let out the db-killers.Good to know it's going to have the same effect on my v7 special 850 😅

[@baricho4771]

Sounds just perfect with the db killers left out.. love the Vid!

[@davidberman5121]

Thank you. It is now running with the db killers in as it is just a bit too antisocial with horses and through small villages early in the mornings. Still sounds awesome 😎

[@jonathanstclair9896]

Out out out...sounds great 👍

[@victor33760]

Thank you David for your video, quite interesting. Looking forward for new videos !

[@davidberman5121]

Many thanks

[@ronaldthomas9396]

I think it sounds great with them out but may be tiresome on a long highway run! I have always ran stock mufflers on all my bikes, BMW and HD Sportster but maybe I will put slipons on the v7 850!

[@RanMachlof]

Stunning bike

[@davidberman5121]

Thanks you. They are superb. ❤

[@guzz1jon]

Good test video. I like it. I think it sounds best with the DB killers in; A bit too 'Harley' with them removed, I thought.

[@davidberman5121]

Thank you bud. I agree. DB in for now.

[@stevemiller1203]

@@davidberman5121 In actually sounds better and no remap!

[@MrKdr500]

sounds nothing like a Harley, why waste money on mufflers if you want it quiet? leave stock pipes on then.

[@kensharpe8189]

DB Killers out. Sounds like a BSA from the 60's. Glorious.

[@genegoodwin8925]

Thank you for the video. And thank you for sharing three different sounds form the V7, The V7 sounded good with the Mistral pipes and sounded like a cammed up drag car witht the DB kiilers removed. But I'm OLD (almost 70) so I would probably keep the stock exhaust. My friend just bought a new V7 Special just like yours. They are great bikes.

[@davidberman5121]

Thank you. It certainly is more fitting for me with db killers in but is, in my opinion a ‘must fit’ accessory to help the bike sound just right. Sadly, with the stock pipes and euro regulation, it does sound a little too tame for my opinion.

[@christianmichaelis4201]

Great video, thanks for posting. Very informative. Realise I’m a bit late to the party! Looking at getting a V7 Special in the new year.

[@davidberman5121]

You are welcome. My pleasure, I’m glad you found it useful. I have very much been enjoying my bike but admit, I’ve not been out as often as I should have. 😮

[@StefanoM68]

Hello David, you can cut 1-2 cm (half inch) of db killer inner pipe to find the perfect sound. Not so closed, not so loud. Just perfect. Greats from Italy :-)

[@davidberman5121]

@@StefanoM68 I actually made the holes a little bigger by drilling them out just a little

[@dungbeetlemovies]

A different throttle response with dB killers out could be due to less back pressure. Less back pressure can result in less volumetric efficiency and therefore less power and torque. A dyno test with dB killers in and out would reveal whether or not this is the case.

[@davidberman5121]

I think I need to get that done. Depending on the weather tomorrow I will see how she rides.

[@emanueleg9613]

Mistral dB out is fantastic! Congrats for your V7 ( i love it this bike). Ciao ( from Italy)

[@davidberman5121]

Hi Emanuele. Thank you. She is lovely. Maybe see you in Mandelo in September. 👍

[@robkcra]

Well done sir! Thanks much…..from BC, Canada

[@leethecockneytruckercomedy5798]

Sounded fantastic with db killers out great looking bike

[@PepeLorus]

Magnifique moto , et les échappements Mistral sont de qualité 👍 La vidéo est bien faite , bravo 👏

[@davidberman5121]

Thank you. 🙏

[@gp92510]

Out...by all means...and have it adjusted accordingly...the sound of the Guzzi, lets you find the rhythm of the bike...its a glorious sound

[@peterroda4181]

Congratulations on a beautiful bike. I love the colour. I like the sound of the mistrial pipes but to be honest, I think the stock pipes sound better.

[@davidberman5121]

Thank you. She is a beaut. The stock pipes do sound good indeed.

[@mickeystanic4750]

Pipes' SOUND can be broken down in 2 parts: tone and the loudness. My stock Lafranconis have beautiful tone but they are not as loud as I would like them to be. I'm waiting for my short Mistrals like these to arrive and I know while the tone will be a downgrade, loudness, less waight and more free flowing (no CATs) will be an upgrade. Cheers!

[@Eidrian111]

Absolutely best sound with the dbk out

[@davidberman5121]

it is just a little too loud with them out.

[@sammy2840]

DB KILLER OUT! Awesome!

[@hollowaysteve]

Mistrals with the DB killer in. With them out its too antisocial (and really tedious on a longer journey) and the throttle response will be affected (as you noticed) due to the lack of back pressure.

[@davidberman5121]

MIstral did contact me to say that with DB out you need a remap. They don't have a remap so it will need to go elsewhere. With them out is too loud for riding in villages and past horses which I do a lot so dont want to be a yob

[@hollowaysteve]

@@davidberman5121 They sound great with the baffle in btw.

[@davidberman5121]

@@hollowaysteve for sure. I had a great ride yesterday and felt like a kid.

[@skr2935]

Great video. Really like your way of testing the difference. This makes it so much easier for all the rest of us considering them! A note on the throttle response without the dB-killers, this is most likely due to increased air flow (less back pressure) which would run the engine leaner in stock ECU-mapping. As Euro5 is already pushing the mixture towards the leaner side for emissions standards, you ought to consider getting the ECU(fueling) remapped by a professional if you do choose to run without the DB-killers. An engine that runs too lean can cause serious problems in the long run. In fact, you can already feel the lean mapping around 2500-3000rpm in stock configuration - typically felt as a very slight hesitation - , so take that as a "benchmark" for your considerations. Again, thanks a ton for a great video!

[@davidberman5121]

Hey. Thank you so much. I just heard from Mistral and they say exactly the same. Euro 5 is really tight so with baffles out it does need a remap. I think the bike will probably benefit from a remap anyhow for the hesitation you describe.

[@flesz_]

@@davidberman5121 have you done the remap ?

[@GooseDave]

DB killer in works beautifully. Sounds so old-school and is unlikely to annoy you, or others.

[@davidberman5121]

You are right David. Sounds right and isn’t antisocial.

[@theodoremarakas9899]

Man, the weather just didn't want to cooperate for an hour or two for filming. On my V9 Bobber I fitted the Agostinis, no DB killers and it sounds awesome. I did tune the ECU and it doesn't run as lean, no surging when hot and little change in mileage. I think that ECU programming is necessary. I'm not a fan of add on modules, I prefer the ECU programming that takes care of other parameters, too.

[@madhousetoobah]

Great video - thx for all those comparisons!

[@davidberman5121]

You are most welcome

[@mattwilliams9758]

Leave them out! Fantastic soundtrack!! Ride safe.

[@goku6288]

When you take the DB killers out don’t you need a remap for the ecu?

[@davidberman5121]

Yes you do. I am running with them in as it sounds best like that for where I live with horses and small villages. There is now a map available if you do want them out. Don’t forget, there is the price of that to consider as well.

[@enricoscozzarella3704]

You are a likeable guy with excellent tast in motorcycles! Kind regards 😊

[@davidberman5121]

Thank you. 🙏

[@jerrychen4047]

Thank you for sharing this , lovely ~

[@davidberman5121]

Thank you Jerry. 👍

[@endurojimmy3109]

Great Video. I have recently fitted some Mistrals to my old 2010 Cafè classic but I am getting some popping on the overrun at low rpm. I thought I heard a bit on yours, but it may have been rain dropping on the mic. Did you have a remap?

[@davidberman5121]

Hi bud. Sorry not to have replied sooner. With the DB in, there is a very slight and occasional pop on decel with slight open throttle. Nothing other than quite pleasant. I haven’t run her without db’s for a long time as with them out is rather too antisocial!

[@LTSpacelight8]

Sounds great with Mistral and seems to eliminate that high-pitched swishing sound of the original exhaust, does it? Also, is there any noticeable change in vibrations with Mistral?

[@davidberman5121]

Hi. The vibrations are pretty noticeable with the bike generally. She is 'Alive' after all! The noise that I immediately noted less is the final drive and general whine from the engine.

[@LTSpacelight8]

@@davidberman5121 Thank you. I have an 850 Special myself, so that's an interesting insight.

[@davidberman5121]

@@LTSpacelight8 It is an expensive upgrade but I think it was a very good decision for me. With the baffles out, it is too loud to ride where I live, horses, small villages on Sunday mornings but the round is how I think she should be making

[@sebinasia]

Great video thank you so much - special thanks to the stalwart camera operator!

[@davidberman5121]

Thank you.

[@radioheadmike1]

Sounds flawless with the DB killers in. Without the DB killers is too much imo

[@davidberman5121]

Agreed

[@terryboehler5752]

I appreciate the effort involved to demonstrate all three options . Made a great, informative video. I have and 1100 that I turned into an old man's cafe bike

[@davidberman5121]

Hey Terry. My pleasure. Old men and Bikes are always a winning combination.

[@catalinmihaioprea]

I experienced both ways: DB-in which is nice but not enough and DB-out which is wonderful but too loud and found that the third way, ordering Racing DB killer's s from Mistral is the best way, engine is running well and the sound is in between.

[@davidberman5121]

And a fourth way! I drilled out some of the holes in the soft DB killers. Made them a little bigger. I think it has increased the rumble a little.

[@catalinmihaioprea]

@@davidberman5121 I did the fifth way! 😂 I modified the soft DB killer by cutting and making it shorter, removing the cap from front. Also i made the holes bigger. Now it's better.

[@davidberman5121]

@@catalinmihaioprea ahh. Maybe I should try the 5th way. Might you be able to share the sound with the modification?

[@catalinmihaioprea]

@@davidberman5121 Yes, i will try to do that on saturday, i am out for a couple of days.

[@davidberman5121]

@@catalinmihaioprea no pressure. It might make interesting reading and listening to other. Folks on this thread. ✌️

[@skydive1424]

I would leave the baffles in... sounds like it runs lean with them out. Which could lead to overheating on hot days. These things are leaned out because of emissions anyway so leaning them out even more could possibly lead to burnt valves. Maybe a reflash of the ECU could fix it though

[@davidberman5121]

certainly would need a remap for it to run well with them out but its too loud for the countryside around here where I regularly encounter horses

[@robertourquiza4543]

Loved the reaction. Great video!!!

[@davidberman5121]

Thanks bud.

[@chantaldelorme7054]

A oui, mistral impec.le son est super et super look en plus .bonne route .

[@davidberman5121]

Thank you

[@speedfinder1]

Beautiful motorcycle, (I have a secret yearning for an MG 850.) I think I might spend my money on a foreign tour in place of messing about with the exhaust system, but hey, it's your bike! 👍

[@deusexmachinawl]

Hello and thank you! do you find that the Mistral cans affect the vibration of the bike?

[@davidberman5121]

She shimmies and shakes loads anyhow. It’s what they do.

[@bikertod]

Excellent review thank you for posting to me the bike sounds good with and without them however I would keep them in only for fatigue purposes otherwise these will be going on my V7 in the near future thanks again!!

[@davidberman5121]

thanks bud. The db killers are in for good now. sounds awesome but needs a remap still. Not sure if that is the bike generally or due to the pipes.

[@wardmontgomery9259]

I live in the Land of Harley Davidson and even with the Mistrals wide open the sound is impressive - motorcycles need to put out a few decibels to create that riding charisma ..

[@davidberman5121]

Smaller roads and dense population mean that louder can be a bit obnoxious. But it does have a big voice with the killers out for sure!

[@escaille787]

Hello, i have the same Guzzi v7 850 special and DB Killer out! This is the sound for one Moto Guzzi! Hi from Belgium

[@davidberman5121]

Ahh haa. Nice. How are you liking your bike?

[@escaille787]

@@davidberman5121 i own a honda VTR Sp1 and wanted a motorcycle with a retro look and i like its engine for cool rides. Good video, thanks

[@R4ZORLIGHT]

2:18 best part :D No electric bike/vehicle can do this. I love those Guzzi engines.

[@davidberman5121]

@@R4ZORLIGHT haha for sure. The sound of a nice engine is something you can’t replicate.

[@grahamwright8447]

In my opinion, the V7 Special is about understated beauty and elegance. This seems at odds with an increase in exhaust noise. I have a V85tt and prefer to hear the engine noise rather than the exhaust noise but that’s my opinion.

[@davidberman5121]

Hi Graham. I guess it's all about how the bike makes one feel. Personally, i found the engine noise a little 'whiny' like a turbine sometimes and the addition of a little more bass and rumble seems about right. MG have to meet the euro 5 criteria for volume and emissions but we can push the envelope just a bit. thats what makes us mean bikers. lol

[@grahamwright8447]

Glad your happy with them , it’s an absolutely stunning bike , would love one to share the garage with the V85tt.

[@kretonslovechild7999]

Great vid! I'm considering a V7 so am of course curious about how the stock pipes sound vs. aftermarket slip-ons like the Mistrals. The stockers sound just a bit too muted for my taste, but the Mistrals with the db killers in sounded perfect to me. Throatier without being obnoxious.

[@davidberman5121]

Oh, the Mistrals really make a difference in my mind

[@Lovndabeats]

Excellent ! Thank you

[@davidberman5121]

You are welcome!

[@Lovndabeats]

@@davidberman5121 is there any chance you tried the Agostini on this bike?

[@davidberman5121]

@@Lovndabeats hey bud. No sorry. I had the Mistrals on a V1 750 and they were great so it was an easy decision to go straight for the Mistrals for the 850.

[@dglebov]

I wote for baffles in. Nice deep sound not to loud.

[@davidberman5121]

Thanks. Certainly what I have gone for. It sounds awesome when you rumble past a wall or building. It’s not Harley or Indian Rumble but deeply appreciated. 😉

[@nitram_nosnibor]

Thank you for this David, even riding in the rain to do this for us, thanks!!

[@davidberman5121]

Thank you and, my pleasure. Sunny days and great rides followed. a bit like life really. 🙂

[@expressobike]

Hello David, it seams that every review we see the short version of the Mistral. I personally ordered the long ones because it is more true to the orginal of the bike and I was told that the soind is lower. Anyone share to comment? Thank you and great video! And bonjour from beautiful Montreal Quebc

[@davidberman5121]

they were the only option at the time but i am pleased with them. yes, i agree, they look just right.

[@philandrea8954]

Very cool 😎 It's out for me 👍

[@johnbiggins4864]

If you ride because you want to feel alive...!!!.....youll appreciate NOISE VIBRATION ....... and pay/look for those features..... If it's merely an a to b conveyance where you need to be smartly dressed and unruffled get a Honda....I rode a le man's 84 a while back and loved every thing about it...hard seat heavy clutch rockin motor and the NOISE....CHEERS

[@denniscrossland3587]

DB killers out. Well done, good test.

[@davidberman5121]

Thank you. 👍

[@Mandofour]

Thank you so much for doing this video and the various sound comparisons. Much appreciated. Any advice would be welcomed on how its looked upon by the police, MOT time (not due yet🤗) and your insurers. Biker in the UK. Ps. If you leave dB killers out, you need to run it at high rpm to get the best from the engine. E.G.track use. It's all about back flow pressure. If you want it run with it out and use the bike at normal pace, then remap it. My take on it.

[@davidberman5121]

The DB killers in is totally legal. the new ecu update 0722 has sorted the fuel issues and she is perfect now. End cans are not even declaration with carole nash, my current insurance in the UK

[@lawrencebewsey7418]

DB killers out, sounds a little bit more base. Good video do another one when the weather is better!.(Torrevieja Spain).

[@davidberman5121]

Thanks buddy. I’ve ridden some more and decided DB in as it doesn’t need a remap. We have some sun no and the road is calling. 👍

[@fococlaro5351]

Thank you for this video, I own a Stone and I m wondering for the same modification ! Do you have notice a difference in fuel consumption ? When db killer out, the engine breath more freely, does the ECU fuel the engine more or less ?

[@davidberman5121]

Hi. I didn’t notice any difference in fuel consumption but it was just after 1st service so I hadn’t seen anything really. She is a fun bike so cost of fuel is not really on my radar anyhow to be honest. The bike didn’t run particularly well all the way from new until the 2nd service and the factory ECU changes. It was an early launch bike so I guess MG was reacting to rider feedback. At the time of my tests the baffle out was appalling performance. As I ride in the south of England and early weekends it was too antisocial to have them out anyway so they are in. The bike sounds totally awesome and the balance with Baffles in is right according to my ears and my buddies agree. Apart from the cost of the mistrals I’d say it’s an easy decision but, there are other options for pipes and you should try to have a listen to those as well before spending if it is big money for you. I hope you are having fun with your bike. ❤

[@paulg.5997]

I have read an ECU reflash should be done if you run with DB killers out....

[@davidberman5121]

Hi Paul. you are correct. Mistral told me that indeed, with DB killers out you will need to have a remap. I also found a few issues with performance with them in and this was solved after a battery disconnect which refreshed the ECU settings. Much better after that.

[@leviwilkerson487]

Leave them out, it sounds fabulous ! If you can't be fast , sound great!

[@davidberman5121]

it is Pretty fast. No rocket ship but good for A and B road fun at the speed limit.

[@therealunclevanya]

Nice 'thrap' with the Db's out on the road, shame the weather has been pants. You got the Mistrals a lot quicker than I thought you would :D

[@davidberman5121]

It was one of those things that I spent too much time thinking about. Lol

[@eddyhoughton6542]

Cheers for the review David. You've reminded me why I have left the UK for the third time in 30 years! The first shots with the good weather were gorgeous, then it started lagging it down and that just brought back some nasty memories. Onto more serious business though - you also reminded me about playing about with exhausts. I remember fitting a full race Yoshimura set up to my 1987 Suzuki GSXR 750 (yes, the old slabby-sided widdowmaker!) It made a complete mess of the carburation. If you radically alter one side of the intake / exhaust equation, you've got to balance the other side. I'm sure there must be some sort of injection mapping to match the baffle-less option. Perhaps Mistral could oblige? I literally just paid for a brand new Centenario edition V7 - I was umming and ah-ing between this and a brand new V7iii in black with a sizeable discount but between my wife, the salesman, and another customer hanging around the showroom who'd traded in his V7iii for an identical V7 Centenario, they morally battered me into going for the more expensive model. There's no money in the bank now for exotic pipes, but that'll be on my list as soon as I can afford them. Biking is all about the sensations and I remember close to 25 years ago when I stuck some carbon-fibre megaphones on my Ducati 900SS, it really brought it to life! Enjoy your ride mate.

[@davidberman5121]

The 850 with stock pipes still sounds wicked so you won’t be disappointed. Even the Mistrals with dB killers feel like there is a problem to me. I need to refit stock and compare.

[@jameslancaster5196]

@@davidberman5121 hi Dave, wondering if you can help me… my dad has bought the 850 but is struggling to find a suitable pannier/luggage setup. He has just bought the guzzi rear rack, but it is not very big so it doesn’t fit a top box too well, so I was thinking about a side pannier instead like how you have it set up. Could you tell me which rack and pannier you have fitted here? Also what’s the problem with the pipes as he has just ordered a pair off the back of me nagging him to get some after watching your video months ago!! Cheers James

[@davidberman5121]

@@jameslancaster5196 hi. The small bag I have is a camera bag I had lying about. A think tank mirrorless mover i30 I think. It has a belt loop which slides over the specials stock grab bar. It’s plenty of space for bits and bobs. Since the video I have bought the hepco and Becker side paniers for longer trips and they fit well, look reasonable. A little expensive but I don’t think I’d like to fit a topbox.

[@davidberman5121]

The pipes have affected the fuelling and I am still waiting for a solution. It still rides ok and sounds awesome but there are flat spots.

[@eddyhoughton6542]

@@jameslancaster5196 Hi, I picked up the V7 850 Stone just over a month ago and I can tell you, there's a wealth of after market options for the V7 III but I think that with the 2021 model being so new, the only options at the moment are stock Guzzi ones (bloody expensive!) I stuck a screen on and the only option I found was original equipment, €200 for a bit of clear plastic and a minimal mounting bracket. Ouch. One nasty thing is that there is no grab rail on the Stone version, and my poor wife feels like she's falling off the back. I'm wondering about fitting a 850 Special grabrail, but I'll probably wait until Givi brings out a pannier system. I'm starting to wonder if I shouldn't have gone for the 85TT now...

[@WyreForestBiker]

Exhausts ? ... my OCD would only focus on that right hand rear indicator being out of line !

[@davidberman5121]

NOOOOOOOO.. i think that must be an optical illusion. I went outside right after reading your comment with a spirit level even! i think they are pretty straight.

[@fedbar5652]

Hi David, Happy for your new Mistral hexsaust. Based on your video my impression about the sound Is that the best Is with the db killer in. Probably It Is the most equilibrated about different choices. I'm seriously thinking to put a new V7 in my garage. Hope soon. Have a long and safe Road. Bye

[@davidberman5121]

Hey. Thanks bud. It’s a nice bike for sure and agree (probably) about the DB killers.

[@christianweber3633]

Great video. Did the mistral exhaust with db killer in fulfill the EU5 legislations?

[@davidberman5121]

Mistral say yes. 👍

[@johnnyboy1586]

Lovely sound,not to sure on the exhaust lining up at rear, right muffler looked more angled out

[@bikerbeliever8169]

I got a free flowing exhaust and the bike dont run right at all. Need a tune before can run without db killers. My exhaust is from Motiv cycle works, it sounds amazing, like thunder, but under load has serious issues. These new Euro 5 emission regulations killing everything.

[@davidberman5121]

its such a good bike but agreed. i wonder if its is the pipes or Euro 5 that is the problem

[@nickenyfiken9913]

Great Nice sound with the Mistral silencers 👍🏻😊

[@gregorymckoy3179]

The Mistrals sound great with the dB killers out. I remember reading or watching a video that said you should have your Moto Guzzi retuned when adding a higher flow exhaust to get the benefits of the extra power without burning a valve. Nice bike! I hope to have one someday.

[@davidberman5121]

July 22 update. just had the ECU updated and she runs perfectly with the DB killers in.

[@flesz_]

@@davidberman5121 I wonder did you do it yourself or give it to a service?

[@xdrive29]

I like your video, your bike and of course and your garage. Great vidéo. Please could you mention the specs ? Thanks a lot and bravo !

[@davidberman5121]

Thank you. I am lucky to have such a great space. Im not a big technical guy so cant tell you much more than the pipes make me feel like Steve McQueen and its goes vvvvrrrrrrroooooooom. sorry not to be more insightful.

[@patrickhealey2735]

Can't be sure without being present in the flesh and asylum said, "expensive". Worth the extra over the price of the new bike for change in characteristics? I'll have to wait until new bike arrives in Bristol from Italy and ride a while before I decide.

[@davidberman5121]

100% worth the investment in my opinion. it sounds SO much better

[@melcharles5829]

HI David - I have watched many a video doing various bike gear/add on comparisons and I have to say yours was (like the lager) probably the best I have seen. It was honest and to the point and with no soppy extra superlatives thrown in or pointless plugs. An excellent and honest appraisal. I am just about to place my order an 850 special. If you don't mind me asking what was the cost of the upgrade and how much of an ouch was the import duty? I'm UK based too. Also is it easy to remap the ECU yourself? or should I ask the dealer to do it all before I take delivery? P.s I also have an Enfield 500 Single - Bullet Classic with an after market pipe on and boy does that really fart !

[@davidberman5121]

Hey Mel. That is very kind of you to say. Thank you. I believe I was the first in the U.K. to get the Mistrals so they came from the factory and cost about €500 off the top of my head. The import duty and rip off charges were about £100-£130 I think. Can’t remember exactly. You can get them from the U.K. now and your dealership should be able to supply and fit I guess. I think there might be a fuelling issue with the bike generally as I have seen some posts on Facebook groups (V7 U.K. being well worth a join) that have reported the issue even with stock. It’s a euro5 thing I think. It’s nothing deal breaking as the bike is phenomenal in my opinion but I certainly have a flat spot at about 3500rpm. Some say it is a ‘breather pipe’ modification that sorts it out. I’ve not tried that yet. There isn’t a remap available yet as far as I am aware but there will be one soon. David.

[@mikewho9964]

From what i understand the ECU is fine with the Mistral DB killers in but if you take them out you need a remap ( see earlier comment as well ) Alsoyou save about 5kg which starts to bring it back towards the weight of the V7 iii - they look good too

[@davidberman5121]

that's not my experience i'm afraid

[@mikewho9964]

@@davidberman5121 Hi David i just started riding my V7 special with Mistral pipes and i have the DB killers in - what sort of problems do think it causes ? Mine seems ok for now

[@davidberman5121]

@@mikewho9964 hey bud. Hope you are enjoying your bike. What I am experiencing is a flat spot when you are wanting acceleration at about 3500 rpm. Basically, when you want power it seems to lag, then go if that makes sense.

[@mikewho9964]

@David Berman The flat spot for me is at about 2800 rpm on a flat road at neutral throttle - i read about the Evap system causing a vacuum in the tank on the Guzzitech forum - i started experimenting by opening the tank cap after every few km of riding and so far it seems like it resolves it but its early days of my testing

[@davidberman5121]

@@mikewho9964 sounds familiar. I’ve not ridden for a while so it may be more at 3k revs. I’ve also read about the evaporator mod but need more research

[@constantin1959]

very very nice thank you!

[@albertopadovani4237]

Mistral: best aftermarket quality/price 🇮🇹🦅👍

[@ThePaullear]

Great info, have the exact same bike, and I'm looking to invest in a pair of silencers, so the vid is extremely valuable to me, cheers!. I notice that you use a bit of wood under the stand, as do I!! have you mentioned to anyone that the stand seems a bit short? is there anything that can be done about it? (My guess is that they forgot to check the stand length after they revised the frame geometry and suspension!)

[@davidberman5121]

The Mistrals are superb and I am pleased. Ive not heard the other options but many swear the Agostinis are also wonderful. I havent found the sidestand to be an issue and only have it there in the garage out of habit i guess!

[@vladsbikeshed]

@David Berman, hey there! Nice exhaust note, I really love it. Are the mistrals road legal exhausts?

[@davidberman5121]

yes they are CE marked. that may be with the DB killers in though

[@bernibeckmann9753]

Much to like. Keenly following V7 850 content. Can the DB killer be modified to split the difference?

[@davidberman5121]

I think modification may well be possible. Do you mean like drilling some holes?

[@davidberman5121]

I had a look just now and that is a genius idea! It just steel for the DB killers.

[@barrywilliams3783]

DB killer's out sounded best, I think