Is the Shroud of Turin the Shroud of Jesus? (Ben Witherington III)

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The Shroud of Turin is a linen cloth that depicts the image of a buried man and is believed by some to be the burial cloth of Jesus of Nazareth. Its existence has been known from at least the 14th century, and has been treated by some as a religious relic. The shroud has been the subject of ongoing controversy and its authenticity is disputed. But a handful of biblical historians and scientists point out that evidence suggests it is not a medieval work of art nor a clever forgery. Whatever the origin of the shroud, it remains a curious religious icon that has for centuries garnered the interest of Christians.
Dr. Ben Witherington III discusses evidence for the shroud's authenticity.

[@MrMiz1113]

You should also look into the Sudarium of Oviedo, said to be a cloth placed over the face of Jesus after His crucifixion and removed after His body was placed in the Shroud. The blood types on both are the same and the pattern of blood stains seems to match from one to the other.

[@LightningJackFlash]

About the carbon 14 dating - some resarchers, a married couple from USA discovered, that the samples taken for examination in laboratory actually consisted of linen and cotton. Their and the textile experts said that the Shroud was repaired this way in middle ages, using cotton patches via method so called "invisible interweaving", to get the effect of as it wasn't even damaged. The repair was made in XVIth century. But it's interesting that you mention the fire though.

[@johngalt4657]

Light brighter than a flash of lightning can produce such a negative image on objects and cloth. Good points! I think it is a kind of a photo of the Ressurrection of Jesus Christ!

[@geraldjohnson8871]

WOW, first ever l heard of this Shroud of Turin, Now what am l to do with my mustard seed of faith in God Almighty and the Saviour of man, this takes me back to when l first read about the life of man in the bible 50yrs ago, Satan really has a big problem with this ltem of proof of Jesus Christ death and resurrection, **But he keeps decieving man even when proof exist of a Christ of God (Father of Jesus)**

[@patsmith5947]

Gosh where have you been this has been talked about and shown on tv a few times for years. The History channel had a great program and Ray Downing had a special.

[@geraldjohnson8871]

@@patsmith5947P.S. I have No t.v or radio for years. I have only my KJ bible to read and l miss Nothing of this world which will pass as the grass that is cast into the Fire... I Watch You tube but l question every thing l see because the Satan (Adversary) seems to control even all things In communication. He even now censors most of the Truth on anti-social media... You ask where?? That is where...

[@HarpazoReady2022]

This is easy if you know scripture & ancient Jewish practices. How did the shroud imprint a full beard when scripture tells us the Jewish leaders plucked it out before crucifixion? Jewish historical records show men condemned to death always had their beards torn from their faces to humiliate them. This matches what Isaiah 50:6 describes about the suffering their coming Messiah would endure: “I gave my back to the smiters, *and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair.* I hid not my face from shame and spitting.” The reason the shroud exists is so the Catholic Church can have a relic to display in one of their cathedrals. God specifically said in the 2nd commandment not to have graven images. The shroud is that. No scriptures for reference were used in the above video.

[@lenawagner6405]

@@HarpazoReady2022 Thanx for standing up for truth. The truth as is in the Holy Word!!!!!💞👏🥰🥳💕💖‼️

[@ginbejury]

I like how Ben is clearly excited.

[@johnholliday5874]

Even more compelling was Ray Downing's project which produced the 3-D image of "The Real Face of Jesus".

[@TheJpep2424]

Yes. I've studied it for 40 years. There is no other explanation for how the image got there and it cant be replicated even with modern technology. All the forensic injuries are consistent with roman crucifixion.

[@luislehmann9929]

nowhere in the bible you'll find that he died with his eyes open

[@FaithElements]

Very interesting. Thank you for this.

[@Actuary1776]

They should absolutely test a portion of the actual image.

[@patsmith5947]

They won’t ever test it again because I read that they coated it with some chemical coating to preserve it further.

[@salvadorl354]

Thank you. It is beautifully explained. Here is a simple question. How was the shroud held perfectly flat over the face of Jesus? Otherwise the the shroud would have to drape over Our Lord's face, thus creating a very different (even distorted) image. Try it by painting you face, then drape a fabric over it, remove and compare the resultant imprinted image to your actual face. It just does not match. The resultant image is highly distorted. Blessings.

[@lenawagner6405]

You speak logic truth. This cloth is and cannot be the cloths used on Jesus as an eyewitness described only a face cloth lying separated from the other cloths. The Bible is not lying, as if it is, then all is a lie!!!!

[@horationelson57]

Would anyone please inform me if we have the technology today to record both a negative and a possitive image on a piece of cloth? Thank you

[@TheJpep2424]

No, the image cant be replicated with modern technology.

[@horationelson57]

@@TheJpep2424 thank you for your reply

[@johntucker8338]

Also, think about the testimony of John’s gospel, where Peter and John enter the tomb, and John describes that His head covering was folded up and set in a place other than the body covering. Since this account describes that the head covering was separate from the body covering, to me it is doubtful that he Shroud of Turin could contain Jesus’ image, since the bodily fluids would have been absorbed by the head covering, not the body covering. In addition, do not discount the possibility that Satan could have been instrumental in the creation of this image, so as to focus many on the object, rather than on the Person supposedly shown. I, for one, will stay with the Biblical account until the DNA is tested and found to match either James’, or the blood found on the Ark of the Covenants’ Mercy Seat by Ron Wyatt.

[@navagatingthroughthebeasts2908]

I watched a great video on sabbath seekers channel on why clothes were folded, the significance of it, i really enjoyed it

[@jeaniekelly6803]

if we were meant to know what Yeshua looked like would God not have told us in his word ???. shalom.

[@AndreasHelberg]

When I saw this face from Turin grave cloth for the first time, the cross in the face struck me. The nose and the upper forehead / Eyebrow traverse line - and extension of the nose line upwards. There are brighter areas. Me they appeared in the fraction of a second, in a cross shape. Add to this the number "3", the photo-negative. In the original, on the shroud, it is reversed. Do you see the cross on the face too? As one commentator said, striking is the weave pattern (herringbone), I had to immediately think of the fishermen brothers. (Perhaps only my eyes can see the cross. That would be possible.) It may be that only my eyes can see this cross in the face. I see a cross of light. There are some brighter areas. The nose. The front-forehead (Eyebrow traverse line) and the extension of the nose line upwards. Clearly a cross. Therefore, I believe in the authenticity of the grave cloth. The face that I see in the photo of Secondo Pia is painless. There is also no hatred or anger in it. I see peace and confidence in this face. It looks like meditating. Anyway, I see it in peace. The pain is overcome.I think, it is the fisherman "Andreas", "the spiritual Jesus". He teached in Capernaum, in Aramaic.

[@peterjongsma2754]

What do the sceptics say to refute authenticity.

[@MrMiz1113]

The primary objection was that radiocarbon dating shows the Shroud to have been created in the Middle Ages. However, further investigation showed that the area where the samples were taken from were a mix of linen (the Shroud material) and cotton that had been skillfully interwoven to be virtually invisible. As such, the carbon dating is off. There have been any number of other attempts, such as saying that the image on the shroud could've been created using a bas-relief sculpture and ochre pigment but this fails on several counts, not least of which is that instruments sensitive to 1 part per million determined that there is no ochre on the Shroud, ie it isn't a painting precisely as is said. The Shroud is probably the single most tested and studied artifact in the world and we're no closer to coming to a definitive explanation now than when the first picture was taken of it. In general, the skeptics rely on making a case on superficialities that people who've studied the Shroud intensely know to be bad arguments.

[@HarpazoReady2022]

We just use scripture. Something of which this video avoids. This is easy if you know scripture & ancient Jewish practices. How did the shroud imprint a full beard when scripture tells us the Jewish leaders plucked it out before crucifixion? Jewish historical records show men condemned to death always had their beards torn from their faces to humiliate them. This matches what Isaiah 50:6 describes about the suffering their coming Messiah would endure: “I gave my back to the smiters, *and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair.* I hid not my face from shame and spitting.” The reason the shroud exists is so the Catholic Church can have a relic to display in one of their cathedrals. God specifically said in the 2nd commandment not to have graven images. The shroud is that. No scriptures for reference were used in the above video.

[@rickelmonoggin]

it was carbon dated and shown to be from the 13th to 14th century, coincidentally the time that it first appears in history. no-one has actually refuted this dating despite many attempts. most notably, some claim that the area that was tested was actually a later repair. the problem with this is that no one has ever shown evidence of a repair. it's claimed that the repair was 'invisible', but no such technique exists to repair a piece of cloth without leaving evidence of repair, usually visible to the naked eye close up

[@geraldjohnson8871]

It has been a long time since Christ walked the earth. Sorry to say if a person needs proof?? John20:29. Then where does that leave us that believe that the Faith of Christ Jesus is What makes us faithful followers of GOD. Shalowm Hallelu Yahh And Amen.

[@rustuslandon5612]

Dont forget the Pollen they found was consistent with Jerusalem region.

[@bxrprimetime1]

The shoe unbelievable has a couple good debates on this.

[@HarpazoReady2022]

This is easy if you know scripture & ancient Jewish practices. How did the shroud imprint a full beard when scripture tells us the Jewish leaders plucked it out before crucifixion? Jewish historical records show men condemned to death always had their beards torn from their faces to humiliate them. This matches what Isaiah 50:6 describes about the suffering their coming Messiah would endure: “I gave my back to the smiters, *and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair.* I hid not my face from shame and spitting.” The reason the shroud exists is so the Catholic Church can have a relic to display in one of their cathedrals. God specifically said in the 2nd commandment not to have graven images. The shroud is that. No scriptures for reference were used in the above video.

[@valentino226]

What explains how the carbon dating got it wrong is that they tested a part of the shroud that was repaired, a patch that wasn't part of the original shroud. kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJ2phYmsZ9FjgpY

[@jeaniekelly6803]

dont think the deceptive catholic church will let a swab be taken they would loose money !!!...shalom..

[@johns294]

This is a prime example of why many non - religious people state that most popular theologians are intellectually dishonest people. “Intellectual honesty” serves as the bedrock in the search for truth. Please look this term up for anyone who hasn’t heard of it ✌🏼

[@HarpazoReady2022]

You got that right. Their “philosophy” distracts from the obvious. This is easy if you know scripture & ancient Jewish practices. How did the shroud imprint a full beard when scripture tells us the Jewish leaders plucked it out before crucifixion? Jewish historical records show men condemned to death always had their beards torn from their faces to humiliate them. This matches what Isaiah 50:6 describes about the suffering their coming Messiah would endure: “I gave my back to the smiters, *and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair.* I hid not my face from shame and spitting.” The reason the shroud exists is so the Catholic Church can have a relic to display in one of their cathedrals. God specifically said in the 2nd commandment not to have graven images. The shroud is that. No scriptures for reference were used in the above video.

[@andrewlineberger7544]

I've heard carbon dating is not reliable

[@jebbarr3740]

It's pretty reliable up to around 50,000 years when done correctly. As this video makes clear, you have to make sure you are testing the right thing and not something that contaminated your source much more recently like, say repair from a fire.

[@zhugh9556]

"This much we know for sure, that there was no technology to produce a negative image of a human being on a cloth at that point in time in early medieval history." Joe Nickell has created a negative image of a human being on a cloth which very much resembles the shroud image using ochre pigment and only techniques that would have been available to artists in early medieval history.

[@DEE-qu5mc]

Joe Nickell? Hahaha, that image he created is a joke, maybe someone should have reminded him that there is no pigment what so ever on the shroud for starters.

[@zhugh9556]

@@DEE-qu5mc If the image Nickell created is a joke then so is the shroud itself. The images are very similar. They are both negative images with similar facial structure and lows and highs of image. The shroud image is obviously more faded from hundreds of years of handling.

[@zhugh9556]

@@DEE-qu5mc And even if it could be shown that the shroud was not created in the manner Nickell has demonstrated, what would be your explanation for the origin of the image? I have yet to hear any feasible explanation from shroud believers. Most shroud believers seem to think it is the burial cloth of Jesus. Thousands of people were crucified by the Romans in 1st century Palestine. What leads you to believe this image is of Jesus? We have no physical description of Jesus to match to the shroud. We have no mention of the shroud in any gospel or by any early church father. Even if we grant that Jesus was resurrected how have we established that resurrection leaves a visible image on a burial shroud?

[@DEE-qu5mc]

@@zhugh9556 Haha You think the Shroud is a joke, the shroud is an amazing artifact, the most studied in human history & they still can't explain it might I add, you & nickell on the other hand are nothing, so it's you who is the joke. Learn to be more respectful.

[@zhugh9556]

@@DEE-qu5mc Are you a troll? Or are you just very bad at following arguments? You said Nickell's re-creation was "a joke" and I repsonded that since they are very similar images then you are calling the shroud a joke as well. Then you respond by calling me a joke and telling ME to be more respectful. At no point in my responses did I direct personal insults at you. People like you are the reason online discourse has sunk to the level it now occupies.

[@frankgordon8829]

All that stuff always ends up with those Catholics. I wonder why...?

[@karlwatson3039]

No

[@xavieryoung7937]

Question: Why do think that the DNA samples for Jesus and James should match? The James Ossuary says that James is the son of Joseph (and presumably not of Mary) but Jesus isn't a blood relative of Joseph. So don't Jesus and James not have a blood relation if James is a relative through Joseph?

[@MrMiz1113]

They shouldn't; Jesus has no earthly father so they would be no blood relation. Second, I'm largely sure that it isn't possible to completely, perhaps even partially, reconstruct any DNA from the Shroud to make a test anyways.

[@Actuary1776]

James is presumably not the son of Mary because the ossuary says son of Joseph? Really?

[@MrMiz1113]

The idea of the perpetual virginity of Mary goes back to Apostolic Times and presumably would've been based on firsthand knowledge of the same on the part of the Apostles.

[@Actuary1776]

Aaron Barr My point was the inscription on the ossuary May have been totally consistent with the practice. Do we have any other ossuary that includes both mother and father? James son of Joseph is likely totally consistent with practice at that time. The fact it doesn’t include Mary’s name is meaningless and doesn’t be necessity indicate Mary is not the mother. We also know Jesus had half brothers, Mary was not a perpetual virgin. That dogma would likely not have come from the apostles, but rather later church fathers who muddied up a good deal of Christian theology.

[@RobertASmith-yy7ge]

Yea what about that?

[@Revelation18-4]

That doesn't prove it was Jesus's body.

[@luislehmann9929]

i'm kind of surprised to hear this man acting like he believes the image on the shroud could be jesus. my jesus would have hated to leave his image behind. i suggest you read the bible. there are all kinds of clues that make it very clear: ''no images''

[@fayezsedarous5907]

You are very much wrong, Jesus left His image to all of the world doubters like Tomas

[@beantrader4723]

You must not bow down to them or worship them, for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God who will not tolerate your affection for any other gods" Ex 20:4-6 This is the 2nd command that God called sin so God would never, ever commit this sin by making a graven image of 'himself'. The shroud, rosary, Jesus hanging on a cross, statues, medals, scapulars, pictures are ALL graven images that the RCC raises up as 'sacred' that contradict the Word of God in the Bible. RCC teaches a false Gospel. Is God a liar? or is man a liar?. "In vain, they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of MEN" Mt 15:9

[@ericday4505]

The shroud is a hoax.

[@DEE-qu5mc]

Provide proof, but you have NOTHING. You are the one who is fake.

[@ericday4505]

@@DEE-qu5mc You provide conclusive proof that it is authentic.

[@DEE-qu5mc]

@@ericday4505 It's all there for you to see, I'm not going to do it for you, there is an abundance of proof, research it thoroughly yourself then get back to me. But what I will do is answer your question with a simple question. IF IT IS A FAKE, WHY CAN'T IT BE REPLICATED TODAY? with state of the art technology mind you, let alone with something from medieval times haha. Put this way, if it went to a court of law as to proving it is authentic vs not being authentic, you wouldn't have a leg to stand on.

[@ericday4505]

@@DEE-qu5mc I have researched it, and nothing seems conclusive. I mean if you want it to be the real deal then go ahead, I dont think Jesus looked like the person on that shroud, for starters.

[@DEE-qu5mc]

@@ericday4505 I don't think you have thoroughly researched it. It's not a matter of ME wanting it to be, the abundance of evidence all points in one direction. And what should he look like? He has the characteristics of the people that lived in that region during that time period. By the way, you haven't answered my question. Because you have no answer, no one does, no matter who you are. I really can't get my head around how people think it's fake, yet they cannot replicate a medieval forgery as they claim it to be, in this day & age, even with the tech we have available?!.. Let alone with what they had in medieval times. It's so beyond me that all I can do is 😅. The truth is, that certain people are afraid of its authenticity because it would wipe out everything they ever believed and who they are, that is the reason why they can't accept it.

[@lindafarlow3293]

AGAIN MORE LIES

[@BobBob-oe9uf]

Who cares

[@HarpazoReady2022]

The reason we have to refute stuff like this & care is because this is how people get deceived. The Catholic Church is *notorious* for it. This video never once tries to use the Bible to solve this mystery. And that’s the first place he should have gone 🤦🏼‍♀️ This is easy if you know scripture & ancient Jewish practices. How did the shroud imprint a full beard when scripture tells us the Jewish leaders plucked it out before crucifixion? Jewish historical records show men condemned to death always had their beards torn from their faces to humiliate them. This matches what Isaiah 50:6 describes about the suffering their coming Messiah would endure: “I gave my back to the smiters, *and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair.* I hid not my face from shame and spitting.” The reason the shroud exists is so the Catholic Church can have a relic to display in one of their cathedrals. God specifically said in the 2nd commandment not to have graven images. The shroud is that. No scriptures for reference were used in the above video.