SEEDING the Fruit Trees in the NEW Permaculture Orchard (Part 4 of 4)

[@mariopetkovski1468]

update please !!! i cant wait results.

[@Nogreaterjoy1]

I’d love an update!! 😊

[@kathmandu1575]

You Sir are a man who knows. Excellent role model. Thanks!

[@AxelElstermann]

Was looking forward to this one - soooo much! Love the method with those many seeds. Love the channel anyway.

[@katrinaschultz8493]

Thank You Stefan - I can't wait for the update on the seeded orchard!

[@TheWildlifeHomestead]

Great series, boys!

[@butchmetzger7023]

I would probably been less generous with the seed fruits. So I would probably have less coming up in the spring! Sounds like you have the fruit available to experiment with so have fun and keep us informed how it turns out!

[@Fototrotter]

I was having a similar plan, not for an orchard, but for a hedge... I have many hedge/ tree seeds, loads of horse manure with rocks (so unusable for garden beds) and straw bales. In a Mediterranean climate with compacted soil. So I line with strawbales, "backfill" with the horse manure and will plant seeds in it and see what comes up... 💪👍 This series gives me confidence that there's at least some chance for succes. Thanks

[@mcroftjr]

Enjoy watching your journey. Mine will begin next year and will follow your sucess

[@OakKnobFarm]

Interesting experiment! I can't wait to see your results

[@shaunrichter3735]

I am excited to see the next year results

[@richardoder3459]

We have recently purchased a 6 acre place that’s all old pasture land and I started planting my trees this month. I am waiting on my last shipment of bare root trees and when they are in the ground I will have 30 fruit trees in the ground. We planted apple, plum, peach, nectarine, paw paw, and hazelnut along with a few nitrogen fixers. I found your site while watching Justin Rhodes American farm tour and have been hooked ever since.

[@StefanSobkowiak]

Fantastic, starting is so important. I chuckled when reading you are planting this month. Obviously a different climate from ours.

[@richardoder3459]

I saw you pruning in the snow while I was complaining about it being 64 degrees here in Texas.

[@flatsville1]

Dry wall/sheet rock saw?

[@projectmalus]

I would use a mattock, pointy end down just drag it to make an opening.

[@dadmezz4024]

I have two pair trees and am says getting tree starts under them. Nice planting orchard idea!

[@katrinaschultz8493]

Stefan I would love an update on how well this worked for you. I am trying it with Elderberry Cuttings. Thank you for all your good content

[@StefanSobkowiak]

In two weeks I’ll show the progress.

[@theresnobodyhere5778]

That's very interesting way to do it cuts out a loadof hard work potting and preparation this also lets you get selective planting with many seeds in one row the strongest plants will overcome the others you will whittle them down by strength till you have last 5 top growers in the bunchbefore you decide what's the final best tree who would have thought all that potting and carrying compost and hundreds of seeds to get a few good strong growers was all wrong way of doing it just because it's always been that way

[@StefanSobkowiak]

Seems logical to me too.

[@terrynoraturner1848]

Next time maybe plant then put down the new hay. Try a brush hook or a cane knife. Great videos. I tried pecans black walnut an apricots an they came up better than pampering them. I live where there is only 10" of rain fall. 4 or 5 months at a time with no rain. The DIRECT seeded trees do much better than the transplants. Transplants in sandy soil make it tough to go through stress . Any good books on fruit tree, bush, nut poly culture orchards.

[@terrynoraturner1848]

I forgot to put in my post, I used to live in south Louisiana and grafted citrus t buds. 2 year ago I grafted 500 apple trees an 2 hail storms knocked off 6 and 8" grafts which left no energy for the 100 deg. summer. Then the drought this year allowed the grass hopper a good hatch. They ate all the bark. I was lucky to end up with 70 trees. 50 different varieties. all old hearty types that keep or are disease tolerant, cider type and canning type. I was disheartened, until I saw your video that said to run if some one tried to give you a mono culture orchard. I am putting in bush cherries, apricots, peaches, pecans, chest nuts and yes the dreaded locust.

[@StefanSobkowiak]

Good to know. I found the same with any seedlings that come up, much more vigorous.

[@spoolsandbobbins]

Looks like a great idea. Can you do a follow up year by year if you still have the grace for all of this! Great videos Stefan!! From Nova Scotia

[@StefanSobkowiak]

Great idea. I hope to release an update of several of this spring and summer's videos over the next few weeks.

[@spoolsandbobbins]

Stefan Sobkowiak looking forward to it! Thank you for all your hard work! I thoroughly enjoy seeing the work that you do and your sense of humour brings it all to life!

[@131kimber]

I've planted tomatoes this way. Still in the fruit. Worked well.

[@heidimisfeldt5685]

Any rotting tomato on the ground, is next year's tomato plants.

[@cindydefelice6188]

What pears are you using in this project?

[@StefanSobkowiak]

A mix of all our 18 cultivars of pears.

[@lindseycurry4134]

How did the germation rate turn out for this?

[@StefanSobkowiak]

Very low so far since we had one of the driest springs in a long time. I just saw a few pear trees start but no plums.

[@conquererification]

Happens to be two years later and the question I have for you is are you going graft on to the seedling directly and train bý prunning? Or are you going to use an interstem scion of a dwarf /semidwarf?

[@StefanSobkowiak]

Yes and yes. Direct graft, no interstem.

[@kingjames4886]

is there a followup?

[@cathrinrobitaille7719]

So did it work? I really want to know.

[@StefanSobkowiak]

No. The seeds got eaten by voles. I did an update on this.

[@somedude-lc5dy]

@@StefanSobkowiak which video is the update?

[@hughorourke1957]

Stefan will the seeds rot as the fruit decomposes in the ground?

[@StefanSobkowiak]

no

[@nunosilva2910]

Besides honey locust whar other nitrogen fixers are you using?

[@StefanSobkowiak]

Black locust, Russian olive, goumi, autumn olive, caragana, redbud, Kentucky coffee tree, Seaberry

[@mattcantrell5640]

Did you add companion plants in these rows with the fruit trees? And did the hay provide enough weed/grass suppression in the spring flush? I see other videos in your content where you have the plastic film laid down in the orchard rows.

[@releventhurt]

God Bless U! 9:44

[@Terragenera]

very nice experiment!! But if they grow, you are going to graft the smalls fruit trees?

[@StefanSobkowiak]

Yes but leave 1-2 branches of the seedlings in case the give an interesting fruit.

[@Sue-ec6un]

Time will tell... I plant trees everywhere by throwing out seeds from fruit I eat in the car! :)

[@releventhurt]

The only acceptable and wanted littering

[@Skashoon]

The other day I tied a bunch of bones to tree branches. Next day my dog went outside and thought, Dang! It worked!

[@mariegaucher7585]

Oh nice ! i love it, we're definitely going to try a similar method this fall :) little question though, any risks of using hay in terms of grass growing again ?

[@StefanSobkowiak]

Yes it will always want to grow back, you just want to slow it down for a few years.

[@hannesssss]

i heared fruit flesh hinders the geermination of the seed? is there anything to it or is it just a myth?

[@StefanSobkowiak]

True for some fruit but they will not be fresh after a winter outside under the snow.

[@calebread6966]

Hi Stephan, Is there any particular reason why you decided to plant from seed? Do you intend to field graft these seedlings later down the road?

[@StefanSobkowiak]

Reason is seeded trees grow 4-5x faster in our soil than planted trees. Yes they will be field grafted when branched whips.

[@calebread6966]

Wow, that is reason enough in itself. I suspect seeded trees would also have better anchorage as their roots dont get disturbed. Definitely seems like a cheaper option as well...will all of the plums be on mt royal seedlings or are you using some native american plums seeds too?

[@farmingwithnature]

any starts ?

[@StefanSobkowiak]

Not yet. Has been one of the driest springs in years.

[@peterellis4262]

I was waiting to hear what the plan was for the surplus when more than one seed germinated in each of those "mass" plantings. In a sense, this planting wasn't just the one orchard, it's also a nursery ;)

[@StefanSobkowiak]

Great point! In the end nothing germinated from the first seeding. We had 2 very dry springs and the voles ate most of the seeds over winter.

[@terrycarkner1698]

I want to do this, but what happened? A follow up please. Did things grow?

[@StefanSobkowiak]

Good idea for a follow up. Only a handful of trees sprouted. We had an exceptionally dry spring and no irrigation in those rows.

[@terrycarkner1698]

@@StefanSobkowiakI've been saving seeds from fruit like sour cherries, peaches and apricots that came from local orchards and though I would try your method of planting. Sorry you didn't have much success.

[@StefanSobkowiak]

If they grow wild in your area they should do very well.

[@Stezosledec559]

Do you have any seedling from your mm111 apple tree? Can you please show roots of this seedlings? I am wondering if the roots are true to mm111. Mm111 rootstock tolerates drought much better than seedling.

[@StefanSobkowiak]

Did I say mm111? I thought we had 106??? No seedlings from 111

[@Stezosledec559]

My mistake. I left mm111 ungrafted, have to wait another couple of years to see results. Inspiration from this guy, I have to confirm his observations. www.growfruitandveg.co.uk/grapevine/feeling-fruity/apple-rootstock-m25-mm111-comparison-pictures_73717.html He show fruit from mm111, described in other topics.

[@nunosilva2910]

Stefan birch is a nitrogen fixer?

[@StefanSobkowiak]

Probably in some way as likely are most pioneer species but that is more controversial

[@judithvance6873]

Won’t field mice be a problem?

[@StefanSobkowiak]

I'll see since this winter should be a peak year. We put 100-300 seeds per hole so it will take a very persistent mouse to get every last seed.

[@kimnenninger7226]

Great video. I have some apple and guava seeds to plant so I am going to try this. My only wonder is where to get clean hay or straw. Whatever herbicides are on my bermuda hay don't seem to break down fast enough. I put year old weathered hay on my garden and my (soon to be) lawn and killed it. Do you think that this would work just as well in deep wood chips? I have been using big oak chips (about 4in.) and finely chipped assorted trees and I have found that for plants here the 4in. chips were the best. The fine much doesn't seem to protect the plants from the hostile environment enough.

[@StefanSobkowiak]

Well the oak chips should work better than herbicide laden hay, although 4in chips will take a long time to break down, which is what you're looking for.

[@TheRealHonestInquiry]

I've heard David The Good warn against using hay or straw for this very reason, persistent herbicides! You could try using some Coco-Coir (coconut husk)

[@friendlyfoodforest8033]

What if you...1st mowed your rows, 2nd put your fruit piles where you want. Then unrolled your hay. Only wonder if they would pop through, but would save even more time. Cool idea brother!

[@StefanSobkowiak]

Our block is done, can you do it and let me know how it worked? Experiments are always appreciated.

[@friendlyfoodforest8033]

@@StefanSobkowiak ...I like how you think... I'll try to get it done.

[@meh4164]

FFF, did you try this method of planting orchard? I agree with you that this might be easier than cutting through hay to plant.

[@friendlyfoodforest8033]

@@meh4164...no unfortunately, we couldn't make the time. The new baby slowed down all the projects. Please let us know if you do?

[@alexthai2456]

I need to know the difference between grafting and seedling and why it can affect the fruits produce because many people said that they are difference and some said that they are the same thing..............I need your explanation instead of watching your video because I don't get it............Thank You Mr. Stefan...........

[@StefanSobkowiak]

Seedlings produce new and unique fruit. Grafting produces whatever you graft on.

[@dancingcedar]

Please let us know how this works.....I know a lot of apple trees came up when I was living in the country and used to toss out my apple cores anywhere I wanted......and of course they came up wherever they wanted, according to nature, not according to me... like Masanobu Fukuoka, one of my all time heroes.......and of course, without the manure lol I would love for this to work with Goumis.....I love rad experiments Blessings :)

[@goofyroofy]

I think youre onto something, my only concern is you will have so much thinning to do later with that much fruit in each hole, id say 3-5 vs 30-50 would be sufficient.

[@StefanSobkowiak]

Perhaps but we had them and are expecting a big vole year so erring on the side of losing lots of seeds.

[@frederikmyhr5572]

How are you planning to harvest the fruit when the trees become big?

[@StefanSobkowiak]

They should become big but trained to keep most of the branches within reach and use a harvest platform.

[@my_permaculture]

Sooooo Stratisfying :DDD.

[@franciscote6203]

Hi! Did it work?? I just subscribed so I didn't watch all videos just yet. Merci!

[@StefanSobkowiak]

Very few from the first seeding, we’ve had two very dry springs. We transplanted seedlings from under our established trees.

[@cepamoa1749]

thanks for the video but ouch my ears... the music volume vs speak one is quite high

[@StefanSobkowiak]

sorry my editing.

[@shanemillard608]

So cool! I love the idea. Are y'all going to start some trees as a backup incase the seeds don't germinate how you want to?

[@StefanSobkowiak]

No we'll just try again. The goal is to not transplant and lose the taproot.

[@shanemillard608]

@@StefanSobkowiak Oh, that makes sense. I'm sure you always lose something if you transplant. Your work has had a huge influence on me over the years. Thank you!

[@Stezosledec559]

From my experience: apple and pears almost 100% germination. Plums 0.5%. Cherries 20%. Apricots 80%.

[@StefanSobkowiak]

Thanks good to know. Good job we put in a LOT of seeds.

[@Stezosledec559]

Will se what will happen. I my case apples and pears seeds sprouted just after snow melted, before even grass was green. Seedling Survived two another spring snows with no problem. I don't know what is problem with plums.

[@coleweede1953]

@@Stezosledec559 what kinds of plums?

[@katrinaschultz8493]

Stefan I would love to see an update on how well this worked for you. I am trying this technique with Elderberry cuttings. I have a little bit of worry about the hay still being hot. So I am using some AEA beneficial bacteria to help break the hay down faster. Won't know if it works for another 4 months

[@blommfleuriste]

How did it go? I am starting apple trees from seeds this year to honor my kids and plant their "Robi" apple trees in our food forest. I know it could be deceiving in the end considering they often cross pollinate monoculture orchards with crabapples, but I'm a believer 😆

[@StefanSobkowiak]

With our dry spring there were very few that germinated. Plus the voles had a feast eating the seeds. Have reseeded pears already.

[@wes4192]

Man there was a lot of ad's on this video.

[@pgffemt5895]

Try a bread knife

[@sergeytyagay6027]

AND ???...................

[@timbushell8640]

So, you seem to have sorted by varieties... ... so what happened to diversity, diversity and diversity. (Grafting aside for the fruiting tops)

[@StefanSobkowiak]

Even every variety that looks the same will have been pollinated by another cultivar so will have mixed parents, that's where the variety comes from.

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[@erwinbrubacker7488]

Hi, labworkers, lol.