Top Tier Is In TROUBLE With This NEW F-15 | War Thunder

[@SeekerHead]

Surely this will get changed by the live server (what do u guys think) Right?

[@DangerousSkyFel0n]

Of course

[@mikeyplayzwrld]

1:30 I thought the Fakour was overpowered and the Fakour was better than the Aim-120? Could you show you dodging an Aim-120 kinematically with no countermeasures or defensive flying? Maybe putting an F-14A against these planes wasn't the best decision..

[@SeekerHead]

@@mikeyplayzwrld Watch closesly right after doging the Fakour/phoenix i also dodge an amraam or some kind of medium range missile. None of them can keep up at those speeds so it doesnt really matter

[@mikeyplayzwrld]

@@SeekerHead looks like an R27ER or R which is a fox 1. The point is that Fakours don't hit aware targets. Especially Phoenixes don't hit aware targets. And having the platform for these missiles be against planes like this is just unacceptable. I think it matters a lot that planes like this can fight a plane with missiles meant to hit bombers from far away and garbage RWR with horrible engines and not even all-aspect IR missiles.

[@Bayonet_Silver]

it isn’t an r27 because the launch would show M29, which the RWR didn’t show, even with the fact, he wasn’t really pulling all too much, he was going down in a mostly straight line which was enough to basically outrun the missile. honestly I wouldn’t say something is OP based off how it sounds on paper, this holds especially true with stuff like the f117 which people thought would be OP but after some testing it’s somewhat underwhelming

[@Srkora50]

Meanwhile, the Germans in their F4F ICE: 💀

[@martinwellhoefer9159]

I heard matawg say that its going down to 13.0, so it will be a bit more playable.

[@Warpain572]

@@martinwellhoefer915913.0 the same BR as the f15a and su27 but a lower BR than the harrier 💀

[@sooryan_1018]

​@@martinwellhoefer9159Oh THAT'S way too low 💀💀💀

[@DarrenYap-i4r]

F4f ice with agm65 using a blackberry camera to aim it

[@sooryan_1018]

@@DarrenYap-i4r BlackBerry camera LMFAOOOOO

[@matawg]

The funny part is that they said they didnt add the -229 engine to the US one due to not wanting the F-15E to become the main fighter of the US lol Great vid! :)

[@himhig]

They better add it though

[@FukaiRei27]

@@himhig They should. USAF 15E without PW-229 is simply, not historically correct.

[@SeekerHead]

Interesting 🤔

[@himhig]

@@FukaiRei27 real, the 229 was on the f15e for like 6 years before the f15i would ever fly with the IAF

[@FukaiRei27]

@@SeekerHead Currently it's way too "Frankensteiny". Early producted plane up to 135th out of total 525 "had(might possibly reengined later)" a PW-220 but loadout includes GBU-39 which early 2000s weapon, and with integration of this weapon F-15E get huge update. Which includes integration of AIM-120D/AIM-9X, Sniper XR TGP and even radar replacement with AN/APG-82(AESA).

[@ckingc05]

That kind of speed reminds me of the Kfir C.7 A couple years ago.

[@XplodePlayz4]

SR-71 and F-15 seem to have had a baby

[@GeneralLee2000]

I do fully expect this to be nerfed by launch (it's already overperforming). If not I will be spamming it hard LOL.

[@christopherchartier3017]

How’s it over performing? (I’m sure it is but idk exactly)

[@Old_Gunslinger_Wild_Bill]

@@christopherchartier3017 the engines

[@SeekerHead]

let's hope!

[@moonbear2130]

@@christopherchartier3017it’s going damn near as fast as the highest F-15 top speed record, which was reached with an F-15 made to break the speed record to the point where they even stripped it down of its paint to save weight

[@GeneralLee2000]

@@christopherchartier3017 too good of a thrust curve and too little drag.

[@Cardinal8427]

"Well hold on" Deletes video Perfect timing

[@bradentucker4854]

I was wondering wtf happened

[@SeekerHead]

there was no audio for the game

[@moritzle5288]

Didnt know they added the Mig-25 for Israel!

[@christopherchartier3017]

If it was the MiG-25, it would’ve lost all its speed in one turn

[@alextonev3017]

I am gonna come when that plane is added

[@Янус_Ырт]

​@@christopherchartier3017 25 should have decent retention due to inability to make sharp turns

[@Old_Gunslinger_Wild_Bill]

@@christopherchartier3017 snapped its wings*

[@わるわる-r9r]

This thing eats mig25 like a breakfast

[@Bad_Karma777]

It's funny how the Redfor doesn't even have anything to compete against that. The most decent option is the J-10, and even then, it’s not as if it surpasses the AIM-120 in relevant scenarios. I wonder where the Su-27SM3, J-11B, mig-29m, and Su-30s are, while Gaijin keeps widening the existing gap even more.

[@Billgatespanther]

i know you from somewhere

[@Petreko14]

@@Billgatespantherhe’s that great wt KZbinr. Excellent pilot with great vids

[@SeekerHead]

im betting R77M will probably be incoming within a few updates. The pendulum is always swinging. It was the USSR with their R27ER, now its NATO with AMRAAM.

[@eeNPeeCee]

@@Petreko14 thats the joke

[@Petreko14]

@@eeNPeeCee oh, mb lol

[@bilge677]

what the actual fuck??? this looks like those custom matches where you get double thrust except it's on an actual plane. something has to be bugged, there's no way you can spiral climb at 10km and maintain mach 2.

[@batlax18]

these engines are ridiculously good at high altitude and high speed, they might be giving a little too much thrust, but the real problem is the flight model does not have enough drag. it's performance will still be nuts, even if it's nerfed

[@user45g-4c5rf]

@@batlax18 We would like to see the Mirage 2000 with its true rate of climb... Because his M53 also likes speed and altitude, the more speed it picks up, the more it accelerates... But in WT, it is slower to rise. The 2000 should catch up with the F16 past Mach 1 by going up to 20 degrees except that it can't do it and is dropped off on the spot...

[@moery2435]

@@user45g-4c5rf They show the F-15I in this state but refuse to fix the Mirage 2000... Such a disgrace...

[@jycannel4626]

In official DCS competition matches this has been a common tactic that has proven very effective for the 15. We call it eagling. A way we counter it is piraña attacks where we try sneak under them with no AWACS and come up vertical to attack them from the belly.

[@engineermerasmus2810]

Larping as a Mig-31 does seem ridiculous when your plane can also turn

[@DragoneyeVII]

That speed retention can't be final thats insane

[@sharpstriker1559]

IKR? It's an Eagle, not a Viper. There's no way it can pull 8gs at 11km while holding almost mach 2.

[@bendawg8-wi4dr]

It’s pretty much guaranteed one of these two things will happen. A: (more likely) F-15I engines nerfed like F-15E. B: F-15E engines corrected/buffed.

[@SeekerHead]

i dont think the engines will be nerfed, rather the planes drag must be increased. Perhaps the thrust curve will be nerfed too

[@theperson5185]

@@SeekerHeadthrust curve seems accurate, just looks like a drag issue. The 229s are monstrous engines for the airframe.

[@bendawg8-wi4dr]

@@SeekerHead yes the engines are over preforming across the board, yet I’m not talking about thrust/flight characteristics corrections, I’m more so talking about them purposefully gimping the engines like what they did with the F-15E for “balance reasons”.

[@FirstDagger]

F-15I never had -220 so -229 is literally the only option for it.

[@plazmaguy13yago9]

ahem i dont think so ill complain anyways 🤡​@@SeekerHead

[@mamarussellthepie3995]

F15EX is gonna be sex

[@kmanb]

I would smash

[@jackozbloke5079]

"Guys the f15 isn't overperforming"

[@datboibazzle2117]

Ironically enough this is what happens when Americans put powerful engines into an Airframe, this ones performing fine, the F15E is underperforming due to Gaijin not wanting to give it the same engines due to Fairness

[@jackozbloke5079]

@@datboibazzle2117 this is over performaning by every metric dude, if you think this is fine you are insane.

[@SeekerHead]

You’re actually cooked if you think this performance is realistic. A bug report has already been submitted correcting the issue, just a matter of how long gaijin takes to fix it. The F15I does not experience nearly enough drag, making it overly fast.

[@Janno32_]

​@SeekerHead Can you link the bug report?

[@UUUU-dn9wz]

Super fast pulling 7-8Gs…. 5G x 1.5 = 7.5G. This might be how MiG-31 gameplay would feel like in warthunder lol

[@batlax18]

lol

[@ragedarchmage6888]

The Mig31 would be nerfed heavily before it ever even touched the dev server because Gaijin knows if it's not nerfed US mains are going to flood the forums until it is, "why can the mig31 move an inch to the left without dropping to 200km, so unrealistic russian bias"

[@N9197U]

They better give the -229 engines to the F15E too. Or we're gonna continue where other nations get better planes than the nation that invented them.

[@batlax18]

ever think that its better because Israel always upgrades their shit to be better?

[@warthunderclipper]

The Israeli F-15I was the one that used the 229. The F-15E we have in game has never used the 229.

[@batlax18]

@@warthunderclipper this is true. The F15E _did_ use the 229, but it was not the F15E we have in the game, whereas the F15I used it since its production in 1998 and has never used the 220

[@N9197U]

@@warthunderclipper what year mod is the 15E in game?

[@warthunderclipper]

@@N9197U I’m not really sure, however I do know the version we’re getting never used the 229, only the 220

[@jacobbaumgardner3406]

I'm pissed about the Strike Eagle getting only the -220's, especially with the reasoning they give completely ignoring the Ra'am making the point moot, but I'm more pissed that Gaijin isn't making any effort to keep things balanced amongst the tech trees. Also, this is concerning for the future, because the Eurofighter is an even higher performer than any other 4th gen at high altitudes and speeds (like faster than the F-22, no I’m not kidding). How they'll balance that is beyond me.

[@Migthunder]

Typhoon is gonna be unbelievably disgusting. Including the rafale too.

[@jacobbaumgardner3406]

@@Migthunder yes. Rafale will be on par with the F-15 in BVR (though way, way better in the dogfight), but the Eurofighter will actually be problematic. Supercruise Mach 1.5+, and can start BVR engagements above 50,000ft. Not to mention a higher T/W ratio than the F-22. It’s kind of ridiculous that people keep saying we should get Typhoon as if it’ll just be a twin engine Gripen.

[@himhig]

​@@jacobbaumgardner3406btw, f15es were using 229s before the f15i would ever even fly with the IAF, so there is no reason that the american one shouldn't get the 229

[@jacobbaumgardner3406]

@@himhig good point. I’ll definitely be using that.

[@code6499]

@@himhigso what did they use before 229? Because I’m pretty sure that’s Gaijin’s reasoning because it didn’t start off with 229s unlike the F-15I which did

[@desertfalcon1539]

We are all f@cking dead Actually expired Definitely deceased Certainly unalived

[@RaptorRex352]

damn, they brought back the old kill text from like 10 years ago? now that's epic

[@bigmemer4398]

Meanwhile the Flankers gaijin picked are nowhere near the level of the F-15C MSIP and F-15JM

[@SeekerHead]

Flankers simply aren't near the level of the F15 in general. Gonna need the Su-35

[@bigmemer4398]

@@SeekerHead Shiit atleast they could've added the J-11B instead of that garbage ass J-11A

[@Ropetor]

@@SeekerHead If they properly modeled the Su-27SM as the SM3 it should be, it would be better, the L-150 was never used on the SM same as the dual racks, they should upgrade the engines and radar with 1000kg of force more and give it 4 dl channels.

[@SeekerHead]

@@Ropetor I think the main issue with the flankers is going to be the radar is slow af and the flight model is scuffed when used in air rb because of instructor. I dont think any new flnakers will fix that issue.

[@Ropetor]

@@SeekerHead That's why i say the upgraded radar is for on top of having 4DL channels. Gaijin for some fucking reason gives Russia weird mixes for their aircraft, the SMT too, it's based on the Algerian SMT which is wildly different to the Russian one.

[@davidbalogun7569]

We'll be having another "overpowered!, bias!" Conversation when they add the SU-27SM3, SU-30SM, SU-35, J-11B, J-10C, J-15B and bloody hell the J-16(if properly modeled that thing will be terrifying) to counter the US with their PESA and AESA radars and R-77-1s, R-77Ms and PL-15s(especially). They'll probably try and balance blue with the Rafale with Meteors and the F-18 with AMRAAM Ds. If the SU-34s PESA is any good then Russia players will finally have something workable when the fighters get it

[@102ndsmirnov7]

US mains are crying about "Russian bias" even now when Russia has been violently outclassed and nerfed for like a year lmao.

[@ragedarchmage6888]

@@102ndsmirnov7 It's how they are programmed, we could be fighting them in bi-planes and they will still scream about russian bias, they have a huge victim complex and Gaijin baby spoon feeds them every update

[@FGGHHRJKSUEUEYYR]

Very little is known about the J-16. There's no way War Thunder can model it correctly without their devs being abducted by the Ministry of State Security

[@Registered_Simp]

The engines are performing as they should, but the airframe has way too little drag. Even with the added thrust, the F-15E/I should not be climbing and accelerating faster then an F-15C while being 3 whole tons heavier. Hopefully the FM gets a drag increase and the US F-15E gets it's F100-PW-229's to match with the F-15I

[@Arrozconpanne]

Realistically it makes sense that it would be out accelerating the F15C since it is heavier but the engines make up for that and then some. Statistically the F15E will have a higher thrust to weight compared to the C

[@Registered_Simp]

@@Arrozconpanne But not so high you can be a whole .3-.4 faster by the time you make a shot. Way too little body drag on the E/I

[@theperson5185]

@@Registered_Simpno, the 229s should be .3-.4 Mach faster at the altitudes he’s flying. The performance difference in the engines increases with speed and altitude. Where it really shines is high and fast, like 7km+ in height and m 1.3+ is where the 4000kg of thrust really starts waking up.

[@Pak_PakoBbl4]

it is overperforming now. It should sustain 3G-4G at 30K feet with 4 aim 7

[@Registered_Simp]

@@victorts7123 Is there a source for that? Just curious

[@kave-2278]

The US F-15E is cursed and pretty inaccurate, it has an HMD yet still only a lantirn pod and you can't take CM above the pod even though you can still load chaff there although the flares would only be restricted if the nav flir pod was on the plane also no upgraded engines.

[@Clap_]

This thing makes me so exited for the J-15 and J-16 with the Chinese WS-10B engines, its gonna be the pinnacle of all flankers, better engines and it carries actual good missiles

[@M1A2C.]

Knowing Gaijin they'll nerf the fuck out of it as they did to the original Su-27/J-11

[@MichaelCMaxwell]

PRC engines are inferior, they can't copy how to manufacture good engines

[@Clap_]

​@@M1A2C.​The simple fact of 10 PL-12s and 2 Pl8B's or 5CII's on a platform which is kinematically superior to the F-15 would make it a scarry thing to fight even if they just make it a copy of a J11/SU27. (not that the J-15 or 16 have anything to do with the SU27)

[@FGGHHRJKSUEUEYYR]

A lot of the avionics of the J-15 and J-16 are Chinese designed and developed (no, they are not Su-33 or Su-30 clones at all). They are also heavily classified. No way War Thunder can model them properly without causing an international incident.

[@piecemakernoalias1018]

Ironic considering we went from the Baz Meshupar being one of the worst top tier aircraft to the potential for this...although keep in mind the Baz Mesh was also better on the live server before they hard nerfed it with no TWS or HMD on live...then back tracked like 3 months later after people kept complaining and claimed it was a “bug”

[@goldfishPACIFIER]

i think thats what we should do when they artificially nerf vehicles

[@gendo1]

I got out of a sim game minutes ago where i shot down multiple planes by flying high in my good ole F15C with amrams. This has always been the strat, fly high, fly fast, and loose on some poor fool under you.

[@dude3278]

Need Gajin to give the F15E its 229 engines

[@notnurfcreanga]

f15e never had 229 engines

[@M1A2C.]

@@notnurfcreanga yes it did. the variant in game had the 229s because it has HMD. the 229 engines in the F-15E predate the HMD, meaning if you have the HMD you should have the 229s.

[@dude3278]

@@notnurfcreanga Me when I lie

[@notnurfcreanga]

@@dude3278 the later version had the 229, originally it used a 220, also i dont want america to be overpowered

[@Old_Gunslinger_Wild_Bill]

​@@notnurfcreangathe one we have can take the SDB which was in 2006 so your argument of it being an older model is out the window

[@SkiddyOcean117]

This just shows that the F18 legacy Hornet should have been released before the F15E/I. The difference in playstyle now with this plane being included probably means we need another .3 BR extra to 14.0. This thing is gonna be able to play against 12.7s with IR missiles ONLY. (the BRs should be up to ~15.0 anyway but compression ofc) Edit: they should probably heavily consider increasing multipathing back to 100 or at least 80-90 to combat this if it gets out of the dev server

[@kwilliams3161]

Can you explain multipathing in a really easy to understand way ?

[@102ndsmirnov7]

@@kwilliams3161 It basically makes missiles and radar struggle to detect you due to ground clutter when you are close to the ground. It helps with avoiding missiles.

[@kwilliams3161]

@@102ndsmirnov7 doesnt that exist irl with missiles ? And if so why dont warthunder have full multipathing for realism?

[@SkiddyOcean117]

@@kwilliams3161 yes it does exist, but we don't know the fullest extent of how ground clutter affects radar and the tracking of the missiles so war thunder just simplifies it by giving it a certain altitude threshold. This is only for radar missiles though not heatseeking.

[@kwilliams3161]

@@SkiddyOcean117 thank you for explaining

[@zeta4687]

accelerating while turning at 10000m is redicurious

[@lemonoeye]

Im not sure if i understand it right, but while the f15-E has better engines, its supposed to fly almost like the f15-C because those better engines are meant to compensate for its heavier load and extra seat. So the fact that its flying better than the f15 C doesn't sit well with me.

[@qadqdae]

Welp, 15E weights not that much more over 15C to get same perfomance, ofc it will be better(at least due still way more thrust)

[@Arrozconpanne]

The thing is that the difference between the f15e and c is that the f15e is 3 tons heavier but the upgraded engines give nearly 5 tons of thrust so overall the f15e has a way better thrust to weight than the f15c

[@KNMRoaldAmundsen]

@@Arrozconpanne Gaijin decided that the e shouldn’t get the new engines, so only the i is better.

[@qadqdae]

@@KNMRoaldAmundsen in reality F-15E also have them. Most of the fleet was remotorized to PW229 in 90's, along with new planes production. Thats just clownie decision.(and as fun fact - was said by BVVD, while another guy cringed from that)

[@KNMRoaldAmundsen]

@@qadqdae i know, i made a reddit post about it and why the f-15e should get the new engines, it is a dumbass decision by gaijin to not add the 229 to the f-15e

[@badasstasticusbadass4908]

I feel that the issue is not the Aim-120 nor the R77 missles, but the matchmaker itself, with more modern era jets added to the game, Gaijin needs to find a way to separate those jets with BVR capabilities from those who doesn´t have it. Right now, planes like the F-16A, F-15A, Su-27S and Mig-29 are like fishes out of the water in uptiers, SPECIALLY now that this monster is going to be added. Like... 12.7 could be the maxium range for planes without BVR capabilities, and 13.7 could be the minimum range for those with BVR capabilities.

[@christopherchartier3017]

Gaijin’s logic: “We didn’t give the F-15E the 229 engine because we didn’t want it to be the main fighter for the US tech tree” Meanwhile the Israeli tech tree with the Baz Meshupar and the Ra’am:

[@plazmaguy13yago9]

didn't hear you when the baz meshupar had no DL or tws

[@christopherchartier3017]

@@plazmaguy13yago9 what does that have to do with anything now that it has a better radar?

[@phantomraptor8851]

@@christopherchartier3017the fact the F-15I is actually israels only other top tier fighter over the F-16I and if they add the F-16I we will need to get the python 4… an we are not ready for that yet lol.

[@christopherchartier3017]

@@phantomraptor8851I mean there’s the F-16C block 40 in the Israel TT

[@phantomraptor8851]

@@christopherchartier3017 i think i already talked about that. F-16I is what replaced the F-16C’s for israel not the F-15I

[@zawadlttv]

easiest change to make you not fly mach jesus all the time: bigger maps, more spread out targets, need to take a bit of fuel but also not use all that fuel in order to get back and have longer matches

[@LitdabLitdab]

I think people also forgot that because of the speed the AIM-120 also has so much more range and energy so you taking the best missile and making it even better with this jet.

[@tomatoflight]

This is the first time I've actually seen UFO flight performance that genuinely moves like a UFO. This thing can pull 11Gs at Mach 1 and still accelerate

[@elnewbie2611]

Ngl this is huge motivation to grind Israel tech tree which I'm already doing but i was starting to lose motivation, well not anymore with this op machine

[@GandziaxBG]

Another Best variation of US plane.... outside US Tech Tree... Yaaay.

[@SeekerHead]

that tends to happen when u sell off equipment for other countries to improve upon

[@KNMRoaldAmundsen]

@@SeekerHeadexcept the improvement are on both the american and israeli irl this time

[@jaek__]

@@SeekerHeadthe improvement they made upon it was because the U.S ones were already predominantly sporting the 229 in their fleet, gaijin is just being dumb

[@SeekerHead]

Im talking about in general, not specifically the F15E

[@warthunderclipper]

The F-15E we have in game is an early model which never the 229. The F-15I, however, never used the 220.

[@farmcat9873]

Maps not even gonna be BIG enough for these types of jets

[@RTD01-u7o]

On the topic of the F-117 and stealth, I honestly don't think they will add the F-22. It has no competition, no way to reasonably balance it. We've learned Su-57 is only low visibility (not stealth) with its only advantage being 3D TVC, and the J-20 has a much larger rcs than the F-22 making it and the Su-57 a beacon to radars compared to the F-22. I would love to bring the F-22 into Warthunder, but I don't think it's possible without breaking top tier.

[@nattythepanda4692]

I doubt the game even has the capabilities to implement stealth.

[@theironwolf1871]

Su 75 will probably be the ussr "stealth" fighter as it might be in prototype form when 5th gens are released

[@APPLECAKEPIE3477]

What's super funny is how gaijin keeps doing acceleration for ''balancing'' purposes, the engines are usually lacking numbers, the F-15 is a good example, the engine produces 10.000 kg of afterburner force and gaijin gave the 6.600 kg without it because they NEVER change the map gameplay around planes, they just nerf, this is how the plane should be, and not just the F-15, many other planes gaijin butchered when it comes to performance just because they can never do proper balancing around the maps (actually giving us full larger maps outside of EC were we can use our planes/missiles to their full potential).

[@guimbitencourt]

I think Su-34 will do some good stuff in ARB too, since the radar is really amazing, compared to the Su-27SM completely sh*t radar. Really want to test both.

[@atianfirebolt8125]

Don't worry guys, when everyone finally grinds it they'll nerf it to the ground.

[@AverageWTPilot]

The F-15E and I feels like one of those planes I would design in Simple Planes that just goes way too fast and is super snappy.

[@BroDog555]

something tells me this is why gaijin didnt want the foxbat added

[@sackthing986]

I love this channel, even when covering a contraversial or straight up bad decision by gaijin, you still keep a positive tone and overall uplifting vibe. Keeps me from abandoning the channel like i did with ash, general lee and others

[@xix_napalmer821]

I remember when the F111 was first added and i got it in a day, spaded all the survivability mods and hit 2.25 at 10km, tried it again yesterday and barely broke mach 1.

[@NoMercyt99]

The F-15E has goodam avionics and engines. It's gonna be a insane missile bus for high altitude BVR, but it lacks maneuverability which hinders the general strength quite a bit. In Dogfighting and Hugging the Deck it's going to suffer a lot.

[@tregaming07]

Its funny because the PW229 engines are missing ~3000KG of thrust in game. But this thing accelerates so hard I guess you don't need it.

[@jonnyjpggaming2538]

which aircraft line is it in?

[@ralphyreece4687]

The engines seem to me to be pretty close to what I would expect. We have hit the realm of modern technology, which starts having insane thrusts and acceleration, as well as supercruise.

[@fqeagles21]

Correction only Russia gets modern stuff, US and the others still use old stuff, IRL was different

[@user-qq8ek4zs4s]

Gaijin : We have MiG-31 at home . MiG-31 at home : ......

[@hckeroo]

How do you get access to the test server

[@PthunderYT]

Download it then you need to be content creator to acsess the new planes

[@PthunderYT]

(You download from browser its seperate game)

[@NinoPanino]

Rare israeli W in warthunder. After all the L's were been taking and still getting.

[@GrapeFlavoredAntifreeze]

Thanks you for covering this seek. Nobody has properly covered how amazing this aircraft is yet. I have been having an insane amount of fun with it on the dev server. Honestly the best aircraft of the whole update

[@SeekerHead]

let's hope it's nerfed before live server

[@GrapeFlavoredAntifreeze]

@@SeekerHead Yeah I just don’t see it being even close to fair as is. It just needs a top end thrust nerf, I would like it if they kept most of the low end thrust. It drops 1.33 on the deck and pushes right through it until the wings rip. It doesn’t take very long to get there either

[@amanamu231]

Ah yes even more OP F-15 because F-15C isn't OP enough.

[@Bayonet_Silver]

interesting considered the fact that the radar scan speed is gimped on the APG 70, I wonder if that’s just the dev server or it’s going to stay like that, which is a shame because it’s basically the f15c radar

[@Bayonet_Silver]

also forgot to mention why does f15i get the better engines but not the f15e, consistency is horrible on gaijins part

[@mikeyplayzwrld]

@@Bayonet_Silver Israel bought them with the engines when they were standard, while the F-15 initially used the 220 engine. I think it's stupid but US does already have the F-15C which is already the best plane at top tier so letting another nation have the spotlight for a bit would be great. Just to be clear I do think it should get them, but I see why Gaijin wouldn't.

[@SeekerHead]

I'm sure the radar is just a copy paste F15C radar for now. I wouldnt comment on that just yet. The flight model not being copy paste in the meantime is concerning.

[@Bayonet_Silver]

to respond to both these comments at once, I don’t think planes should be direct upgrades of each other from a balancing standpoint, and things shouldn’t be direct upgrades and I’m hopeful the dev server will hopefully update or the changes will be in the live game

[@batlax18]

@@mikeyplayzwrld that, and Israel is a very small nation with a very small player base, so it's not like if america got it and it was like 12 of these on each team every single game

[@atianfirebolt8125]

The thing i like the most is going high and fast, too bad i only have the American eagle as a top tier.

[@Ropetor]

The F-15E is never flown on combat without CFT since it looses pylons, they really should make them part of the aircraft to at least try and balance it.

[@SeekerHead]

Gaijin uses the logic of CAN rather than do or does. So this is not out of the ordinary.

[@Ilovechicken03]

Ain't nobody want CFT to be mandated to this aircraft like they did with the TUSK package for the M1A2 Abrams leave us USA mains alone with your "BALANCE".

[@dennislin1212]

National guard currently flies some F-15E's without CFT's for AD roles since many F-15C's were retired.

[@malitwat2874]

What does CFT stand for?

[@batlax18]

doesnt change anything with the Ra'am, seperate aircraft entirely, and it did fly without the cfts soooo

[@flynntaggart8549]

but why would they change this on the live server when they can let people buy the GE to research the OP plane first? then they'll nerf it once everyone has spent their money.

[@braedenpatterson3228]

This is why I love the Israel tree, easy to grind and they always throw in some overpowered bunk to play it with

[@plazmaguy13yago9]

yes like the bad meshupar that lacked TWS for 3 months or the incredible f16d that can't carry amraams or the kfir c7 with 4 aim9g's and barely any flares can't forget the kurnass 2000 that has PD radar and no sparrows at 12.3

[@phantomraptor8851]

@@plazmaguy13yago9sadly yes the obama D cant carry aim120s but ngl i love the derbys. They hold a special place. Especially when the I-derby ER comes. Or the python 4/5 as the barak D did carry them.

[@dirtdad889]

This is the first video I've seen about the f-15I

[@miguelafonso6114]

What premium for air chinw should i buy j-7d or a-5c?

[@GorrilazWarfare]

get your israeli vehicles before it stops existing and you'll have the rarest top tier

[@plazmaguy13yago9]

lmao you wish

[@giorgigachechiladze1679]

Accelerating above mach 2.2 while fully turning and gainig altitude is diabolical

[@thatchris1626]

Fucking Brimstone man. I wish they didn’t add it, but they did, so it’s going to be a point of argument and grief till the ends of time

[@Yea.IGetHectic]

They already gimped and nerfed the brimstone before its coming out.

[@barnykirashi]

You know, this really will just ruin the game for me. What I have been doing for a long time is literally just having fun. Of course with the Grumman F-14A Tomcat (Iran), the Superior Dogfighting variant thanks to it's R-27Rs. And not taking a single Fakour or Phoenix, and engaging in scuffed World War II.....no, rather World War I dogfights with anything that dared to join in. And most of the time I could really just make it work out. I mostly won, or just had fun even when I lost. Then they threw the F-14 up a few BRs, which I'm absolutely fine with, in the terms that yeah, the Phoenix spam was quite too much, and it's right to move them up.....but now, I can barely get into the fights, as now the enemy does Aim-120 spam. Fine, I guess I'll just stay away for a bit longer, more patience until I join the fight when there are less people in the game.....except usually by that time what remains of my team already just kills off the last few enemies... Well, I'm fine with that, you win some you lose some. Flight Performance-wise though, it also became much tougher to deal with stuff. I also lack sufficient close range missile options, since the radar kind of sucks on the F-14, and the AIM-9P is also kind of dogshit when the enemy spams R-73s and AIM-9Ms at close range. But if I pull an entire Hammond Organ out my arse, throw my wings out, and just commit Manfred von Richtofen approved Tom-foolery in my oversized Sea Flogger, it all suddenly doesn't fucking matter. Now, facing something that has enough engine power to straight up ignore me, now that puts the nail in the coffin. I have no fucking Idea how I'll deal with the Strike Eagles. I'm genuenly scared. Because unlike literally everything else, including Mirage 2000, F-16, and MiG-29, the F-15E and F-15I won't be scared of that Hammond Organ.

[@Kaijiro____93]

With BVR target air lock, which button bind did you use after firing each air missile?

[@SeekerHead]

type in "radar" in your controls and assign a key to those. You need all of them

[@Bayonet_Silver]

specifically switch radar/irst target to lock iirc

[@gustavofelix3433]

Now I know why they don't put the Mig25 and 31 in the game

[@seniorspaz8754]

Is the 15I below the Meshupar or the 16D?

[@plazmaguy13yago9]

16d

[@seniorspaz8754]

@@plazmaguy13yago9 thanks. Glad for it - I’m working on the 16D right now, but don’t even have the K2k yet.

[@tacotvgaming6639]

As a us main I see this as an absolute win like always (for air) just how it is for the best air tec tree

[@Grumpy12748]

The is isrealis are getting the better one for 0 reason don’t know why they don’t get a nerfed one as well

[@matthewryan9238]

@@Grumpy12748shut up nerd

[@crustyk1ller968]

Do we know if this will be a premium or tech tree?

[@M1A2C.]

Gaijin deciding what to add this update: F/A-18A and/or C❌ The F-15E Strike Eagle✔

[@Petreko14]

Makes me wonder if they ever gonna give the mig-29smt its extra 2000kgf to its engines to make it actually flyable. I feel like it’ll be like that current iteration of the f-15I but slightly worse

[@2prox_WT]

YESSS ISREAL FINALLY PAID OFF 😂

[@dutch24]

dodging a full speed fakour is wild, what's wilder is the F-14B's AIM-54C though, like what is up with that thing? Not 13.0 rated that's for sure

[@FGGHHRJKSUEUEYYR]

How the hell did WT manage to add the Fakour-90? Did they bribe some IRGC personnel for the specs? Or are they fake specs? Probably fake cuz that's Gaijoob's way of doing things usually

[@dutch24]

@@FGGHHRJKSUEUEYYR Well you see, they took the stats of the real Phoenix, gave them a small buff and put them in a different missile. And the real ones are still dogwater

[@Fjallkloka_Aventyr]

Man idk how it'll look for Sweden, already underperforming in the Fox3 meta, because of just 4x missiles and slower speeds than current F15 and Su27.

[@Janno32_]

In the next patch, you will likely get the Finnish F/A-18C. But until then, there is currently nothing between the two.

[@Fjallkloka_Aventyr]

@@Janno32_ thats a good point, maybe. But otherwise until the Gripen E, which is still just 8 missiles, all they can do is introduce electronic warfare equipment for the Gripen.

[@Janno32_]

@Fjallkloka_Aventyr Electronic warfare is very complex and is not easy to model, so this will probably take a while to be developed.

[@Fjallkloka_Aventyr]

@@Janno32_ exactly, if ever.

[@102ndsmirnov7]

Everyone who doesn't have F-15s is currently struggling. Look at Germany with their top tier being an F-4 phantom lool. At least they have the AIM-120 and not the useless radar guided R-73 (R-77).

[@spitfire12able]

Isn’t that basically a lesser f15ex with those different engines

[@Rageaben]

I commented about what I was saying earlier but video was having a heart attack so I will say it again, how will the F-15E break top tier? (Taking about the American one) it doesn’t get the upgraded engines, gets the same weapons, and worse Fm when it comes to a dogfight than the F-15C. Only thing it’s got going over the F-15C is countermeasures and CAS. Asides that it’s worse in every way when compared to the F-15C. This is dev server so things are subject to change and what not. Still have not watch the full video so I can’t talk to much on this. Plus you know more about the F-15s than I do so once again can’t be talking all that much. Will probably get a lot of hate from people saying, “You have the best air tree, cope, cry harder, skill issue.” And what not. But time to watch the full video!

[@SeekerHead]

It won't, but that's why this video isn't about the F-15E lol. I'm hoping this one will also be nerfed and will be just fine as well. The US F-15E also can have upgraded engines, they just currently don't right now on WT.

[@Rageaben]

@@SeekerHeadJust watched the video and it was great as per usual. I understand what you mean by it will break top tier now. I am a U.S main when it comes to air so that’s why I was yapping about it. Anyway, have a good day or night.

[@SlaingWolf]

actually broken aint no way gaijin keeping this if they do got a feeling lots of people gonna be spamming to get it changed

[@TorstenP-cq4gl]

I don’t understand gaijin AT ALL. They say “we’re not going to add the MiG-25 or 31 because we need bigger maps” and here they are adding a plane that goes at a very similar speed of Mach 2. Gaijin says the dumbest shit.

[@FM-hw8yv]

Its not like my life in the f4f ice wasnt hell enough already Now i guess i need to compete with even more base bombers

[@brandonrashall9157]

Tried using your link, and i either fumbled it or gaijin did... no eagles or decal. sadge

[@Marco-cg7fb]

What is that old school kill announcement mod? It gave me a glimpse into 2014 for a split second when i saw that 😂

[@BOB67666]

THAT PLANE IS CHUGGING FUEL

[@wtf27pl12]

I wonder how bad will it be when we get F15K or Singaporese F15E which iirc have even better engines. But it does look insanely busted albeit i want to see it in df

[@phantomraptor8851]

Those use the 229s like on the present F-15I in game

[@smc-susan]

15E with 229 is flying disaster

[@TorstenP-cq4gl]

Still waiting for gaijin to hurry tf up and add the mig25 or 31.

[@ofekk213]

If you think the F-15I is good now imagine how good it's going to be once it gets all of its missing domestic munitions.

[@plazmaguy13yago9]

spice kit when?

[@JunkNVamps]

Dudes going so fast that the afterburners start to bug out

[@ARZstuff]

Can we have decompression to 15.0?

[@JameWeseman-zm1ij]

Does the American one get the same thing?

[@connor9194]

2:50 get out of my head get out of my headget out of my headget out of my headget out of my headget out of my headget out of my headget out of my headget out of my headget out of my headget out of my headget out of my headget out of my headget out of my headget out of my headget out of my headget out of my headget out of my headget out of my headget out of my head

[@indite8303]

HAWK TUAH

[@SeekerHead]

Mach Tuah

[@dorklol2969]

the complete ARB is BS since the fox3 and last updates. this thing completely doesnt change anything

[@Harryw007]

This reminds me of when the Kfir C.7 was released

[@Brainbeed]

What line will these be in

[@kristofszilvasi9021]

w8 is the f15E getting these same engines?

[@sgtj.peldridge4567]

And yet they refuse to give the American jet upgraded engines because it would be "too powerful"

[@jorje58965]

This is exactly how fighters are supposed to fight. We need bigger maps

[@SeekerHead]

You’re cooked if you think any fighters actually fly like this brother