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[@SeekerHead]

Imma be honest, I just now figured out how to find my current members and realized I have missed some of you. Isurus, Zach, Lee, Deathsmile, YouveBeenThumped - thank you for being a YT member 🙂

[@GeneralLee2000]

I was your first 😇

[@SeekerHead]

@@GeneralLee2000😳

[@Casual7646]

​@@GeneralLee2000 No Lee was harmed in the making of this video

[@captaindoggo69420]

Less goo 1.000th like here

[@chaos.....]

the problem with f15 is the ppl who research it thinking that it will win the battles for them since it has 105kd just because its american, not because the pilots were well trained and were fighting some mig21s(yeah i love getting my kd on bots too)

[@Illusionyary]

I love how you had that enemy F-16 locked up for like 16km, it drops lock so the first sparrow is a dud, then the second one just switches to a friendly and kills him instead. Truly a missile of all time.

[@archangelgaming8077]

you should be my gf

[@kingghidorah8106]

it's weird how the sparrow will never track again once the lock is lost on an enemy but it will relock on friendlies. Happened me twice in f-4j and the friendly was even going cold and i turned the radar off right when i saw the radar locking on the friendly. Five seconds after I turned off the radar the sparrow killed the friendly and the enemy destroyed my aircraft while I was getting kicked off the lobby.

[@datguy5699]

Happens all the time, how tf is a radar missile going for a plane that the radar is ignoring

[@taylorwarren-b5w]

@@datguy5699because gijan purposely nerfed sparrows when the f15 dropped specifically to make the flanker look beter

[@Oz.G]

​​@@taylorwarren-b5w Source? I wont deny that the sparrows have some real issues but its a joke to talk like you know anything about their reasoning while actually knowing simply nothing about it. And Do you really believe the Flanker needed a nerf of other planes to look better😂😂😂😂 Dont fool yourself man it has 6 27ers and 4 r73. Its literally impossible to not see the Flanker as an absolute beast .

[@SovietUnion_]

"War Thunder community is wrong about (Blank)" - is more common than one might imagine.

[@INeatFreak]

Except that they're not, these youtuber's just put these titles for clickbaits. There was another video by someone else on "sparrows working perfectly fine" and this guy on reddit complaining just had skill issue but there's literally many video proofs of 7M just completly going opposite direction from where it needs to go or missing very easy shot etc...! Not saying that community is always right, but more often than not, if they're complaining then there's something to it that needs to be explored rather than silenced by calling it "skill issue"

[@SovietUnion_]

@INeatFreak if wt community got their way on absolutely everything, we will have an unbalanced mess of US-one sided massacre, because all they want is point and click

[@gtmike916]

@@INeatFreak Hell I launched an AIM-7M from 40km once to scare an enemy and the missile went the whole other direction. Honestly I want the F-15C to come out with the AIM-120A AMRAAMs. It’s already outclassed due to the R-27ERs.

[@INeatFreak]

@@gtmike916 you shouldn't launch a sparrow at 40km though, I launched a 20km shot once to enemy at bottom right of me and the missile started going to top left and aimed at the sky, wanted to explore the space I guess.

[@urielOrnstein]

@@INeatFreakBut they are. The average player is a base bombing ape that can barely find the flare key.

[@Zenitchik_130]

War thunder's fighter mafia putting F-15 at lower BR just for sake of it

[@StealthyShot]

Yup and continuing to not decompress BRs to what we want before Fox 3s r added

[@1NSANEx]

Murica bias

[@StealthyShot]

@@1NSANEx that’s why obj 292 is 10.0 but LOSAT is 10.3 rt

[@Epic_candle]

Russian bias is a joke if you look at the IS-2​@@StealthyShot

[@StealthyShot]

@@Epic_candle thats why russia has experimental tanks but its not allowed for America and russia has had the best radar missile in the game for over a year now. Pls explain????

[@rafaelgrandinbarbosa3333]

0:14 ok, i am not the only one who saw that “OF” 💀

[@Onezmhu]

hold on 💀

[@F-18Super]

And for only 6 GE

[@Casual7646]

💀💀💀

[@AntonHofscheisser]

I'd sell my liver for 6GE

[@F-14-W]

U onto smth💀

[@rexw2203]

I'm an old F-15 Eagle crew chief and was stoked about the aircraft coming into my favorite game. The performance is good for the F15 but the Aim-7M's are NOT up to the task for a higher or even it's current BR. The reason is that everybody else at it's BR have radar weapons that actually work. Since the Eagle has come out the Aim-7m's only guide 'off the rail' about twice in 10 launches. They don't guide at all once launched. It'd be different if they actually worked but just couldn't connect because they didn't have the 'oomph' at what we call 'end-game' for the missile shot. No TWS for the APG63, that's just non-sensical. The F14 has it in both models and the APG63 was designed with it from the start. Having the Mig23ML I've found that THOSE missiles guide far better than anything I'm carrying on the F15, just because they actually try to guide off the rail and have a chance of hitting anything. This isn't so for the F15 Aim-7M's currently, not at all.

[@crimzonempire4677]

The amount of shit they leave out or change is funny Literally neutered the F-111 Saying and posting documents as source When you look in the document there is absolutely no mention of the nerf actually the opposite and it should of been buffed more Even talking to previous maintainers and pilots They could confirm that wasn’t right

[@urielOrnstein]

@@crimzonempire4677M735 was erroneously nerfed, Gaijin admitted to the error, and then left it nerfed. They always gimp stuff because sekrit dokument comrad))))

[@lazylime8046]

You're incorrect about it having TWS from the start, but otherwise yeah. Not sure what Seek was on about with it clubbing MiG-23ML's, I've 1v6'd many times in my ML, including in my first ever match with it, against F-15's simply because their missiles all failed and none of mine did. And to clarify, the APG-63 didn't have TWS; it had a system vaguely similar to the concept itself but completely different in practice and in layman's terms it was moreso a "multi-track" system than an actual TWS. Even in the PSP upgrade it doesn't have TWS as we know it, though its system would be close enough to simply give it that in-game if it got that radar. But ultimately it wouldn't actually do much for the aircraft in Air RB.

[@cataclysmicdelta1828]

I’m just waiting for them to finally add the aim 7MH block II because then we’d at least get iog like the r24r and newer and datalink like the ER even if the missile performance isn’t actually better

[@LewisB3217]

@@lazylime8046 are you an old f15 crew chief?

[@honzavasicek]

7P is naval thing only. USAF used 7MH (h build) from late 80s onwards. MH had loft, improved eccm, lookdown capabilities and autopilot PN logic to conserve more energy throughout the flight

[@Skoodelly]

I really wonder whether or not gaijin really thinks statistics are a good way to balance vehicles or if they just don't give a damn anymore

[@M1A2_Abrams_MBT]

Yea, you're right. I don't think they should use win/lose stats to balance. If Gaijin waters down performance on a vehicle for "balance", we know the community will leak classified documents to say that Gaijin is wrong. Probably in their best interest to be as accurate as possible for vehicle performance.

[@2goober4u]

Mirage 2000 at the same br as the F-15 💀

[@Northern00]

@@2goober4uFrench Main Syndrome :(

[@2goober4u]

@@Northern00 the chart25T got massacred

[@Northern00]

@@2goober4udon’t even remind me of my poor boy alongside the OBJ906 :( Or the leclercs being objectively worse than the 11.3 Abrams and stuff Very sad, at least the M2K-5F and Tiger HAD clear in GRB But fr, I beg for MICA IR, Light tanks (gib EBRC Jaguar), and buffed mistrals

[@larshassler2277]

I suspect that Gaijin left the F-15A at 12.3 because the superseding 12.7 slot is reserved for the F-15C with AIM-120s, which is likely going to be added next patch. I actually think that's the main reason since the A definitely has 12.7 flight performance already, but there wouldn't be much reason to play it at that rating when the C-model is just a straight upgrade. I'm actually a bit dismayed at this, being a swedish main, since big twin-engine fighters are probably going to supplant the light fighter meta going forward. Lights might be a bit fun and ratty but the advantage of a heavy fighters combination of large missile loadout and good performance is a bigger factor in the end.

[@exhausting_thoughts]

If you believe that, enjoy your dominance while it lasts, because im enjoying it in the JAS-39C too 😆

[@SteelxWolf]

The br difference makes no difference when 11/10 matches will be 12.7 regardless. People over analyze the upwards Br shit and not really thinking about what it does to lower aircraft that get put into those full 12.7 lobbies

[@TheIrishBread]

Thats not happening, ARHS are gonna be rolled out on a limited amount basis hence why next patch its going to be SMT, 16c etc with ARH missile buses coming later at 13.0.

[@Elaina_The_Ashen]

@@TheIrishBreadI really don’t think Russia needs an ARH, ik that that the Russian cry babies will throw a hissy fit that “it’s not fair” etc etc but with how seriously broken the R-27 is they don’t need another longe range missile for the foreseeable future

[@torvamessor3059]

dont forgot the gripen will get amraams in the near future so that isnt necessarily true that the light fighter meta will get supplanted by the heavy fighters with a better if not similar kit as the gripen

[@IsurusOxyrinchus]

That's the hardest decal I've seen in my life 🥶

[@SeekerHead]

Thank you! I apologize for not having updated membership screen, I’m still new to YT members and don’t even know where to find new members 😅 I also didn’t even know I had any other than they guys that joined on stream. Will fix next video!

[@fancyjets4390]

hi isurus

[@mavor101]

Imagine a plane (f-15J), that has the 2nd best flight model in the game, and 4 of, *by far* the best IR missiles, along with 4 more *good* radar missiles, being placed at 12.3BR. Gaijin balancing... LOL Also, the 27ER *cannot* be lofted right now. It cannot be fired via boresight (though it COULD IRL), and once you lock a target and fire on it, the missile will go IOS immediately to intercept it's path. If you fire the missile upwards, it will just burn a bunch of delta-v turning immediately and pitching down to intercept - no loft possible.

[@meki___6881]

sadly they did something to the aim7m so they are extremely far from good maybe they try to loft but never come back, they just like to fly in random directions except the direction the radar points

[@pigs2001]

I speak for the whole playerbase when I say that we need the SU-35S with R37Ms to counter the Aim-7

[@Casual7646]

Nah I think you need at least the su57 Felon

[@anonymousf14radar10]

Who’re you speaking for?

[@bappojappo-_-3986]

@@Casual7646Su27 ‘felon’ huh. Well let’s just change the flankers name to felon and boom, Su27 Felon

[@Casual7646]

@@bappojappo-_-3986 ahahhahahahahhahahahhahahah. Lol i missclicked so hard

[@nikolaideianov5092]

R37M ? No it sould be the ASM-135 with a R37M as a last stage

[@Finnix.]

So the F15 has one big issue for me: THE FRICKING WING RIP...every few games my wing just says bye bye

[@Eclipse-lw4vf]

yeah that is something that still needs to be fixed unfortunately, other than that, its an incredible plane

[@anonymous63332]

The wing in question: 🧏‍♂️🤫

[@robertgaudet7407]

Don’t put boosters on if you have

[@atvkid0805]

you're taking too much fuel, if u try to make sharp turns or angles with more than 16 minutes of fuel it's probably going to rip

[@bencurran3204]

i'd rather radar slave aim 9ms than bother using sparrows

[@casematecardinal]

It really does work well. People never really expect it

[@ariq4209]

it’s so stupid how the Sparrow seeker is worse than even the R-24R nowadays.

[@jonnybgoode7742]

​@@ariq4209had the 7m's unlocked for a while and can count on one hand the amount of times they've tracked. One dude was DIRECTLY in front of me and the missile pulled off to my ten o clock and flew straight towards the horizon. I hate this damn game...

[@davidwass8366]

Had better results with the 7f..😊

[@jonathanoriley8260]

​@@jonnybgoode7742 I had a wild moment last night where two sparrow shots, launched only 10 seconds between each other, acted wildly different from each other. Lemme ask you which missile you think tracked and hit: A) Frontal Aspect PD lock, but target is close to ground and going evase, including attempting to dive into a river ravine. B) Frontal Aspect PD lock, target is not low to ground and is higher than targeting aircraft, and isn't going evasive but rather flying traight toward targetting aircraft. If you answered B, you're wrong. It was A. Somehow, that missile hit and got the kill, but the easier "B" missile shot not only didn't hit, it didn't even track on what is an optimal radar lock, preferring instead to just drift off in a straight line like it was a dumb fire rocket. There is something seriously wrong with how they implemented the AIM-7Ms, because I never have these kinds of issues so often with other AIM-7 variants. Even E2s on the F-4E perform more reliably... _at low altitude._

[@bwhittv1446]

Still a joke it’s at 12.3. Should be 12.7. You just get the F-4S premium players who all they do is rocket bases up to top tier, fly out the F-15 and they wonder why they’re doing bad and cope about the plane being shit.

[@Iden_in_the_Rain]

It’s got zero 12.7 capabilities: only 4 good missiles, no BVR capabilities thanks to the R-27ER being in game, no HMD, and doesn’t have good instantaneous AoA. Currently it’s just a F-16C with two less 9M’s, no HMD, and worse dogfight performance

[@bwhittv1446]

@@Iden_in_the_Rain It is more than capable at 12.7 with meta being hug the ground to avoid Fox 1s and spam it your AIM-9Ms. I’ve never had issues with the F-15. Players just depend so much on planes that are as OP as the Grip and F-16C flight models to do good. Otherwise then bring the MiG-29 SMT and G down to 12.3 lol. With how 12.7 plays, the SMT and G are worse than the F-15.

[@thatoneguy1741]

@@Iden_in_the_Rainnah send it up

[@Iden_in_the_Rain]

@@bwhittv1446 MiG-29SMT/G get R-27ER, 40G IRCCM IR missiles, and HMD - none of which the F-15 has any counter for. Edit: Plus, if the meta is using IR missiles at low altitude, the F-15 only gets 4 of them. It would have the least number of any jet at 12.7, all without HMD to make more shots

[@patriktoth6258]

​@@Iden_in_the_RainIn RB the F15 off course under performs. However in SB its the pure opposite

[@Captain_Price539]

F15A great plane but most of the pilots premium speds who will complain its bad because they never learned anything while grinding it

[@bradenhagen7977]

Wouldn't that be any toptier plane?

[@robertgaudet7407]

That doesn’t make it stand out from the M4K, Gripen, F-16, or SU-27.

[@GeneralArmchair]

@@bradenhagen7977 Not true. Most players that buy the premium plane have to fight opponents and learn the basics of air combat. The F-4 can carry a good bomb load, so the sterotypical american main grinds the entire tree by just pressing the space bar many times to bomb many bases. Then they climb into their shiny new F-15 without having the slightest clue how to select their air to air missiles or read the radar scope, and then cry about imagined russian bias.

[@Eclipse-lw4vf]

F15 remaining 12.3 is still one of the dumbest decisions ive seen by gaijin. Easily second best top tier jet in game rn.. only thing above it is gripen because gripen is brain dead easy to fly. just imo a player diff keeping it low, lack of HMD is a poor excuse that barely effects it, now i would be fine as well with better radar missiles or simply fixing the radar missiles, also the aim7 just randomly hititng the mirage is WILD, ill be honest, i did forget how oddly disfunctional those missiles are

[@B83N]

I feel it should stay at 12.3 until Aim-7Ms are fixed.

[@Tech-Savvy1]

I think that if the F15A doesn't get Fox 3s it should at least get the Sparrow 7P to try to counteract the R27ERs features and performance.

[@vihurah9554]

the fact there is no Aim7P for, at the very least the datalink, is criminal. it would fix so many of the current f/m problems

[@weltall7283]

I would say just give it it's BoL pods and 7Ps, along with the actual 90s ANG radar this ANG variant had irl, and then itd be good to go back to 12.7

[@crimzonempire4677]

@@weltall7283 honestly should just make the MISP upgrade a module And give us the MH versions of the Aim-7 for better guidance, loft and datalink Also pretty sure better inertial guidance

[@23for82bigs]

I completely agree the F-15 has no business being at 12.3. Every time I get a downtier it's an absolute bloodbath and ive gotten a 9 kill game in it once.

[@wojtekburzynski654]

they shoul push f15 to at least 12.7 and current 12.7 to atleast 13.0

[@ardap3966]

That decal will be bought in an instant, gotta set my alarm up

[@bradentucker4854]

0:51 I got big Witcher 3 vibes or something like a mediaeval time from that song

[@elkrumb9159]

It’s called Ace Combat Music

[@bradentucker4854]

@@elkrumb9159 ah thank you

[@dnfluffles772]

Are we that old guys? Are we to the point where Ace Combat music is ancient

[@Onezmhu]

It's called Daredevil, from Ace Combat 7

[@bradentucker4854]

@@dnfluffles772 well I just never was to interested in war games except a Tom Clancy’s on the game cube when I was younger

[@Registered_Simp]

I've always said F-15's problem isn't the plane, it's the pilots. A very good plane can catch a very bad reputation because of the average player who uses it. The average player in this case being an F-4S base bomber You can survive at high altitude (And even compete in BVR since you're so fucking fast), and you rinse or match most stuff in a dogfight. Flankers only hope is an R-73 against a good F-15 player.

[@enterdrag5627]

I think at the moment the 12.3 BR makes sense for the F-15 any lower and itll curb stomp everything and if it goes to 12.7 itll get ER’d and outcompeted with HMD a lot, until fox 3s are added and maybe later models of F-15s with better armament its fair enough

[@elenaeverett4481]

Yet the mig29smt is 12.7 is really funny.

[@BugattiONE666]

Almost like it dumpsters the F15 and 12.7 is as high as it can go

[@chortle7909]

Mig29 smt is great, what do you want?

[@Ccaraaa]

Can agree ​@@chortle7909

[@kenoby2330]

true

[@Boris_The_Turtle]

@@BugattiONE666It doesn’t dumpster the F-15 at all but it still shouldn’t be lower than 12.7

[@BinaryKiller_Recoded]

Only thing I hate about the F-15A is the AIM-7M's and no HMD, other than that the plane is good, sometimes you could also argue that the F-15A would be better in a certain situation over the F-16C

[@102ndsmirnov7]

Tbh with how atrocious the current Su-27 flight model and radar are I honestly think the F-15 is a better plane rn. Only thing Su-27 is rn is just a boring missile spam boat.

[@supre.4494]

you have no idea what are you talking about, the su 27 is better than any other plane that isn't the gripen, atleast in arb

[@Boris_The_Turtle]

@@supre.4494Yeah because it’s a missile boat. Because spamming missiles is meta due to 16 vs 16. Its flight performance is still garbage though.

[@102ndsmirnov7]

Sure, "I don't know what I'm talking about" haha. The plane in its current state flies terribly. The only thing that makes it capable are its many and great missiles.@@supre.4494

[@jonnybgoode7742]

​@@Boris_The_Turtle russian missiles are too op for me to care about the su27 "broken" flight model... missile slingings meta and they fucked the f15 radar and sparrows beyond all belief.

[@Excal500]

The Su-27s FM is accurate, idkw you are tripping, it’s not as good as you hyped it to be.

[@Skoodelly]

7:38 Correct me if I am wrong but I believe that the best production fox1 that the f15 can carry is the aim7mh Edit: I am wrong

[@GeneralLee2000]

That's a theoretical capability, the MH is a navy missile and the F-15 never actually used it. Some people think it may work but there's nothing solid.

[@SeekerHead]

I’m pretty unsure about all the late sparrows myself

[@honzavasicek]

​@@GeneralLee2000P is naval, MH was used by usaf

[@GeneralLee2000]

@@honzavasicek both MH and P are naval, you have a source for MH being used by the USAF? All the manuals go straight from M to AIM-120 for the USAF...

[@honzavasicek]

@@GeneralLee2000 maybe because H is upgrade of existing M, not new missile. Its same deal as with 120C1/2/3 etc... They are still Cs only. Until C5, they had same hud symbology where identification for C5 changed due to different engine. ADA391727 page 40. ADA494620 ADA498229 In absolute majority of cases. H build sparrow is M because it is M. Especially during 90s when Ms were converted. Doesn't matter if usaf made a switch to 120. Sparrow equipped eagles were normal deep into 90s. When they got 7F, phantoms were flying with 9J-1/2s and 7E3s up to 80s. F16As with 9J were absolute normal occurrence even though there were 9Ls available because replacing whole arsenal takes years and you use what you have.

[@kiggs-piggs]

The intro with the Ace Combat music was sheer perfection

[@RogueBeatsARG]

Gaijin need to HIre those skin and afterburner makers, not to sell skins but to make the default skins for the planes

[@F-18Super]

“All call signs, check in”

[@nasafan23dl44]

“This is Poo Poo 2 standing by.”

[@acecarpenter502]

"This is RamRanch 18 on standby"

[@nigelwigglwattle]

Don't remember the exact order but I will say my favorite "Pissjug 97 weapons hot"

[@skatemaster33]

Gaijin borking the F16C and MiG29 flight models is just sad tbh

[@EricThyKaiser]

Amazing growtht this channel has gone through, and well deserved at it too! I might get your decal as the first KZbinr deceal I've ever gotten (played for 2 years without a decal)

[@Terriblewastaken]

I would really like the F-15 but I seem to rip my wing in like 20% of my games and its extremely annoying. Is there any consistent reason it rips its wing bc most of the time, im only pulling like 8gs when it rips

[@alexey9184]

Same thing happens to me in the Su-27 while mouse aiming the thing. It probably has to do with both having busted flight models (on both ends) while neglecting the structural integrity and G-limits of both aircraft.

[@platy002]

W title, W intro cinematic, W decal, W plane, W pilot, W video, W channel.

[@datguy5699]

I felt that when your sparrow that had a solid radar lock still went for your teammate

[@vidbobanec8384]

But the mig29 and su27 suck in dogfights after the first 2 turns

[@casematecardinal]

No shit Sherlock, they're 1 circle planes.

[@mermaxafricanus3615]

it deserves to be in 12.7, ive enjoyed many a game with aam3's and just balling on poor 11.0's who cant go vertical with me, turn with me, or keep up with me, not to mention none of them expecting a IR missile that can hit someone in 5 seconds from 3km out.

[@ricofighter]

I disagree about the sidegrade, I personally believe it is a downgrade/upgrade depending on ones playstyle. If you play agressively, go into the furball then the f16 wins easily in that perspective, just because you don't have to fuck up your flight direction to point a missile which in most cases gets you killed when you fly fast which is one of the main advantages of the f15 so in furball dogfights it sucks - which is most of the playerbase, fly off runway fight die. If you play the f15 in the way you do fly high avoid whatever you can and the focus on cherry picking each enemy, then yes it is superior to the f16 but only under the condition that your team doesn't completely demolish the enemy or the other way around, then you just get stuck with one kill and 40 clicks away from the team. Only really rarely do I see lobbies where the furball ends with even number of players afterwards. Usually it just ends in a 14 vs 2 and then ur either left for dead to the 14 enemy players on to you now or have nothing to do but to speed up to the last enemies in hopes you'll get yourself another kill. - which in the f16 you wouldn't do because the 9ms are just superior in close range even head on to the sparrow sometimes.

[@benjaminkern2586]

Why does the seek decal go so hard

[@bruhhhhmoment4848]

I like flying the f16c more tbh and f16 has always been my favorite plane so that might have something to do with it

[@Nova4-4]

Seek I wanna thank you not only for the amazing content you create but for the extensive amount of ac7 nostalgia you gave me from that intro

[@juancarlospinzonmedina6377]

that guy at the end eating 10 missiles in 2.6 seconds 💀

[@Epic_candle]

The current F-15 definitely doesn't belongs to 12.3, but it's also not as much 12.7 capable as the gripen or Su-27, gaijin just needs to decompress the damn BR so these vehicles have more places to go

[@thejaytinator6585]

Also I think that if matches were 6v6 or 8v8 then the advantages you get with an f15 over an su27 would matter a bit more. The f15 has no business clapping the cheeks of every late Cold War premium. AIM 9m against 11.3 is not fair at all.

[@ToogaLaSueSauce]

great content bro. i personally dont mind the f15 being where its at tbh i feel like yes the dog fighting capabilities are exceptional but the chances of getting dog fights at above 11.0 is decreased significantly.

[@johnnyflores3426]

SRC PD HDN/ TRC PD HDN radar mode is really unreliable when the target is moving across your pov in a horizontal direction. Therefore your radar locked on your friend by accident and tk him. Best after lock on to switch back to TRC PD

[@metro_893]

i am just not good at heavy airframe and thats the reason why i have 70 deaths and only 10 kills

[@anttitheinternetguy3213]

I have a K/D of 8 or thereabouts on my F-104S.ASA. But to me F-15 feels SO BAD. Mainly because of the weaponary i think but something abour it just feels off

[@namelesscrow9351]

"Sparrows kinda suck" > Gets insulted by Euro mains "F-15s shouldn't be in 12.3" > Gets flamed by Murica Mains ". . . ." > gets flamed by everyone because you're not contributing the topic Su-27/F-15 engines are worse that they should be > "Cope US/Russian main"

[@milanvnuk]

45 battles for me with F15, 3 battles in 12.3 rest 42 battles in 12.7. So now, it is not BR of the plane, it is the stupid brackets Gajin can not finalize after 12 years.

[@opelwintersport]

Never got a downtier in the F15 ... 100% of matches are against 12.7 planes.

[@Ambush_yt]

Thats the coldest decal ever by any KZbinr🥶🥶

[@josephthebig2889]

countermeasures is not a preference, am sorry but more countermeasures never hurt anyone and is a complete survival nessesity at top tier... my opinion is that anyone with over 120 cc deserve to go higher in br since you can just spam them and avoid so many IR missiles, if anyone counters this I have a counter counter saying that more CC means higher chance of surviving 9Ms and IRCM in general.... u can one flare a R73 and Magic 2 but you cannot one flare a 9M unless the enemy plane fired it of on a flare lock :/ or its a head on.

[@TopGmav]

Ridiculous that we have to pay for killing teammates in certain situations. I get obviously killing a teammate should be punished. That being said, if I lock my missile to an enemy, fire, it decides to miss and nail my friendly outside of my control, WHY AM I PAYING FOR THAT?

[@INeatFreak]

Awesome decal! Will be getting it for sure.

[@KaptaynAmeryka]

Holy shit. That intro is fire and your decal is talking to my soul. ❤️‍🔥

[@offyotto]

0:31 fricking ace combat 7 mission 19 music

[@GeneralLee2000]

RAAAAAAAH EAGLE

[@SeekerHead]

True

[@WParcival]

Honestly I ratter play the f16C over the F15

[@anrw886]

Exactly it's literally a better plane

[@ScottishSquirrel_]

@@anrw886 That statement depends on what your type of gameplay is, for example, I like the F-15 because I like heavy missile slinging fighters, you probably like the F-16 because you are likely the kind of player who does well as light and maneuverable front-line fighters. So, the F-16 is better as a front-line fighter, the F-15 is better as an air superiority fighter.

[@FatherExo]

We just have too many little Timmy’s who have little to no clue about real life avionics, capabilities and weapons systems and how they all function and they love complaining when they die to something or their weapons do t give them free kills. Paired with this they are also single celled specimens and cannot fathom any other play style or strategy than hugging the deck and flying right into the center of the map. Do any of us really think that when the flanker was produced, the Airforce just scrapped the idea of the A-10 because it wouldn’t be meta or it would be DOA and the BR bracket for the gulf war needs to be changed so A-10 pilots can effectively CAS? But better yet these people who still have no clue on how to use these platforms bc all they did was base strafe with rockets in a phantom for 2 months, hits up the forums and writes complaints non stop.

[@BulletRain100]

The main problem with the F-15 is that it has a higher skill floor. In good hands, the F-15 will be just as good as the other 12.7s, but in bad hands it will be much worse. This killed the statistics of the plane ar launch because even the good players still took time to figure the plane out. The main balancing challenge Gaijin has is that the main factor that sets planes apart is how easy they are to fly.

[@bobo-_-]

you can say that about any plane

[@BulletRain100]

@@bobo-_- And you would be wrong for saying it. The Mig-21bis clowned on the F-4E because the F-4E was a much more complex and difficult plane to fly. You have to do the job of two people to utilize all your weapons. Mig-21s are easy and naturally conforms to dogfighting norms the game pushes. When both pilots reach a high level of skill, both planes even out.

[@bobo-_-]

@@BulletRain100 why did you say im wrong then prove my point

[@vaguevtx5090]

the only thing ive seen beat the F15 in a dogfight is the B Tomcat in a low speed engagement

[@DeadSkyWT]

got inspired by your war thunder content! Trying to make myself a KZbinr as well, ur a great inspiration!

[@Yeeter_Inbound]

laughs in f104S with 2 sparrows and no gun

[@ViperFox_]

Couldnt have said it better myself! Great video!! The best way to put it is there is no way R-60s on mig 23s go against 9ms. Never should happen

[@normallymute0131]

It’s also the only would be 12.7 without HMD meaning aside from raw dogfighting and the 9Ms, it doesn’t really have the edge needed to push it to 12.7

[@PretzelMuncher08]

All the french need is the Raphle to be competitive

[@MuteSpider63393]

lol, the F-15 outrages the F-16C with the smaller intakes irl

[@abdellahiehreimo3402]

12.7 is trash toxic unplayable BR anyways so who cares. Thanks for ur good reviews.

[@wilmeroberg9794]

Complaining about the Sparrow when the Gripen only has the first version of the Skyflash is hilarious

[@SeekerHead]

The has gripen has 6 9Ms and HMD. I’d take that weapon combo over the F15s all day

[@Kanudee]

the TK at 8:37 is one of the unluckiest Tks i have seen

[@SargeNuR]

ahhh, "Johns" are crying once again for balance and begging for goodies from the devs. Same "Johns", same "Johns" as always

[@YourUncleGreg]

If there was no such issue as the "fragile wings", i would play F-15A much more often. And of course, if there was at least something like, Aim7P Sparrow with Data Link. Losing lock with R-27ER means re-lock, and propably going to hit anyways. Losing lock and TRYING to re-lock with Aim-7M means blowing up in air and you can't do anything. R-27ER is much more faster, has greater range, better maneuvers and notching it... It's a nightmare. And maybe i will not even start about, how reliable was IRL the Vympel R-27R/T ( It was horrible, even worse than Aim-7E Sparrow during Vietnam War, despite the only 10% of actually hitting the target ) Also, every Top Tier USSR aircraft has HMD somehow, so using radar on these jets is literally "foolproof". Also any of these three F-15's NOT having TWS is L soo... Aaand then my teammates. I personally got literally the most bored mfs that were playing Subway Surfers while playing ARB, whenever I've played F-15... Well they sometimes got themselves some kills, but more often, i found myself in these scenarios completely alone, standing against literally almost whole enemy team. And it was like 3 minutes after getting into furball. And btw, my skill is below the average so it all doesn't make any sense, how could only I stay alive with my skill. And my W/L ratio pretty much says the same.

[@masterch1ef297]

See I disagree, I think the ONLY reason to keep the F-15A at 12.3 is the lack of HMD. I do significantly better in my F-16C or SU-27 than I do in my F-15A simply because I don’t have to point my nose exactly at the enemy to get the shot off and the HMD PD is huge for getting SARH shots off on both of them. I think if they added the HMD to F-15 it would be fine at 12.7 but it’s too big of a disadvantage

[@No_Feelings]

That decal is CLEAN

[@INeatFreak]

11:25 I don't agree with that statement of being just an opinion, at top tier the missiles matter way way more than the flight model or how much ammo it carries, F-15A is not a match to a Su-27 at it's current state, you said yourself that you'd choose Gripen or Su-27 anyday over the F-15A. USA needs better radar missiles that is a match to russian ones, not sure why they haven't added the AIM-7P to the game, it's 7M with datalink which R-27ER already has.

[@102ndsmirnov7]

Maybe missiles matter more currently but the US will eventually be given comparable missiles. When that happens the current Su-27 will be hilariously outmatched because of how bad they made its flight model.

[@bobo-_-]

data link doesnt exist in this game, only inertial navigation

[@INeatFreak]

@@bobo-_- i mean the thingy that allows R-27ER to be locked back again after the lock has lost or unlocked and locked again by the player.

[@bobo-_-]

@@INeatFreak other missiles got this too recently

[@INeatFreak]

@@bobo-_- but it works terribly, if you lose lock more than few seconds, the missile doesn't track back the target and goes on it's own to wherever it wants. Also it's still way more slower than the R-27ER.

[@1NSANEx]

"much rather play the SU-27"... not really. A boat carrying missiles much worse than Gay-9M missiles like the R73 is not better than this. Crap like what you pulled of @ 11:00 in the video are pretty much not possible with the R73

[@milbin1795]

Right now the f14 is a blast. Knocking 3 premiums out of the air with 6 phoenixs off rip is fun.

[@PretzelMuncher08]

Imagine when J20s F22s/35s and Su-57s get added💀

[@Daniel-kl7sj]

Hey Seek, totally see your opinion from your perspective but you have to remember that there are more players who are casual players than those who are above average and can play war thunder the way you do with this aircraft.

[@blacksky121_]

Im currently in progress getting either this or the F16A Now, I dont personally like the F15. I personally prefer the Falcon, but i still wanna ask if I should get this or the Falcons first? Yea yea i know the differences, strengths and weaknesses but im in a deadlock

[@exhausting_thoughts]

Just grind the F-16A and turnfight everything, you'll have way more fun even stockgrinding compared to the obnoxious process of the F-15.

[@collinevans5151]

That cinamatic made me feel so proud being an American.

[@m0nkEz]

While I agree that 12.3 is problematic for the F-15, my experience since getting the F-16A is that 12.0 for that is just *wild.* I usually see 12.7 with the F-15, but it's comparitively rare with the F-16A, which just stomps on the phantoms and starfighters it sees routinely.

[@Deathsmile69]

shoulda got the F15 in September smhsmh

[@blobert62]

That’s gotta be the hardest decal I’ve ever seen. You know if it’s possible to get it on console?

[@SeekerHead]

I’ll look into it, I’m unsure

[@blobert62]

@@SeekerHead Alright. I did some looking into it myself and it looks like it is possible.

[@richardcreasey9319]

I think the very fact that Gaijin THEMSELVES put the F-15 (along with the other top planes introduced in air superiority) into the game at 12.3 and not 12.0 is proof enough that the F-15 should have ALSO been moved up with the other top dogs.

[@thealphauser13]

why does your afterburner look awesome

[@yourlocalboaty]

some custom skin

[@Gyyghhhhjjjkk]

it really depends on how you view the f15 in general tbh. If we only looked at the flight performance wise then f15 should be 12.7 for sure. it out performs alot of peers around 20min of fuel. However, toptier if we look at it in general f15 don't really belong there because it just really doesn't have a lot going for it. It's wings rips easily compared to the rest, it doesn't out perform a lot of people thats around the 12.7 range (except for su27 flight performance wise) and even when it did does it matter? the fight is heavily missile based now which is why su27 is the most viable option in the current meta despite its dogshit flight model

[@SeekerHead]

The F15 still has considerably better flight performance over F16C, which is 12.7, and has more missiles. It’s also got 2 more missiles than the MiG29SMT which is 12.7 and vastly superior flight model over it. The only thing the F15 isn’t better than flight model wise is Gripen and F16A. A whole 2 planes.

[@thatcarguydom266]

@@SeekerHeadHMD be like: *you have neglected me once again and I will not be having it* Seriously, HMD is seriously underrated and makes the F-16C (which can, as far as I’m aware, pull more AOA than the F-15) and the Flanker and Fulcrum 9.19 VERY potent in the ARB meta. Being able to fire missiles off-bore is a huge advantage and immensely improves the likelihood of catching someone by surprise, while the F-15 is insanely predicable in the sense that you always know exactly when you’re being engaged (or at minimum, when you should start pre-flaring against it) making it far more of a struggle bus than it’s HMD-equipped counterparts as far as actually securing kills is concerned A lot of people seriously underestimate just how much of a help HMD is in top tier. For this reason, I’d have to disagree and say the F-15A, in its current form, is absolutely a downgrade from the current 12.7 class. It’s not a massive downgrade, but it’s a downgrade nonetheless.

[@mikailvito7200]

​@@thatcarguydom266 Mirage 4000 be like:

[@dredizzy609]

​​@@SeekerHeadthe f15a most likely not get amraams anyway which is why gaijin didnt move it to 12.7

[@thatcarguydom266]

@@mikailvito7200 HMD magics are scary af now that they pull 50Gs

[@TutterTactics]

honestly what id really like seeing from Gaijin is the removal of the enemy name plates in Air RB. Force players to utilize radar and to break the hug the deck meta. Heck honestly id love to see some long range AI SAMS on EC sized maps for high tier at least as an event for the players that dont care about grinding and want a fun experience(SEAD/Iron Hand could actually be a thing with that). Merge, furball, then win/lose is only so fun for so long.

[@SeekerHead]

Please no. That would be even more random than current 16v16 and would do the opposite of remove ground meta. Dots are harder to spot on the deck.

[@envygd4902]

Anyone who plays top tier and actually knows what they're doing does not want this at all,16v16 was already bad this isn't DCS. Sure a way to break the ground hugging meta would be nice but with the way the game is going it's not going to be possible.

[@lukewhitehouse4103]

The flight performance, Radar and 4 Aim9M should automatically make this a 12.7

[@benjaminabc6565]

The radar does not, it doesnt even have TWS :(

[@lukewhitehouse4103]

@benjaminabc6565 Does it need it though? TWS is good but the Aim120 isn't integrated so you can live without it.

[@benjaminabc6565]

@@lukewhitehouse4103 i know, but, the TWS is not only useful for missiles, but also to use it semi-passively against the adversary, to have a better view of the situation, including his flight parameters, without having to mark the radar on the target so as not to necessarily alert him. and other utilities that can improve your game performance :)

[@lukewhitehouse4103]

@benjaminabc6565 I fly the Tornado F3 TWS is a must to avoid dying to any other aircraft. However would trade it for F-15 flight performance 😆

[@ZZPxFTW]

all you have to do to highlight the f-15's place at 12.7 is compare it to the mirage 4000. Magic 2's might be the best IR missile in the game in terms of IRCCM, but they're extremely range limited, and the fuze time makes them a dice roll in any head on if they even track, which is not often. The 530D's are pretty okay. And that's about it. The loadout is mid, theres no HMD, flight performance is pretty mid... sure it can dog fight, but its fuel load seems to effect its performance more than most other aircraft, and when do you really get in a 1v1 dogfight in top tier? As a French main, seeing people justify the 12.3 f15 is WILD.

[@exhausting_thoughts]

Given the average anti-US logic, you can beat the F-15A with the Mirage 4000 in flight performance, so your 12.7 is justified. And that's because being "main" of something is inherently wrong when it comes to talk about balance, because you don't get the full picture.

[@ZZPxFTW]

@@exhausting_thoughts the M4K is only a superior dogfighter on low fuel as stated initially. the F15 will absolutely out-rate the mirage on medium or high fuel load. And that is the only advantage you feel is necessary to justify a higher battle rating? Is a slight, low fuel flight performance advantage? When dogfighting in top tier is rare? Youre contradicting what you say next with you own statement. I state the "full picture" in my comment: their loadouts, their technology, and their flight performance... The F15 is VERY comparable in all categories, if not better. I did not state or even imply the mirage at 12.7 wasn't justified, rather that the F15 at 12.3 ISNT justified. There was absolutely no "anti US" logic, just looking at the facts of the combat effectiveness of both aircraft within the game. Seeing it any other way exposes your own bias

[@exhausting_thoughts]

@@ZZPxFTW dude you claimed yourself as a French main, stop yapping.

[@ZZPxFTW]

@@exhausting_thoughts and thats relevant how? oh yeah, just proving FOR SURE your bias. thanks mate. Your opinion has no place in this discussion.

[@exhausting_thoughts]

@@ZZPxFTW it becomes relevant when you start your situational yapping related to how you are able to consistantly beat an F-15 under a specific scenario, thus the anti-US logic applies to the M4K by stating that it deserves the 12.7. Cope and seethe.

[@nichendrix]

Sincerely, most of the complains made on the video can e boiled down to the F-15A and the other planes mentioned being essentially true to their historical namesakes. The F-15A, like the F-14A was introduced into operational use in the early 1970s, it's most common opponents were Mig-21s, MiG-23/27s and Su-22s. It doesn't have a HMD because HMD was created years into the future. It doesn't carry 6 or AIM-9Ls because the F-15A was specifically made for a load out of 4 Sidewinder and and 4 Super Sparrows. Sincerely, Gaijin already took a poetic license giving it the ability to carry bonbs which the original initially couldn't, the he development of the plane was under the moto of "Not a Pound to Air to Ground", it only could do after very late batches, because it was first done by Israel on the F-15I, and it was an upgrade that was already been on the making for the F-15C, so why not retrofit the As with some air to ground capabilities, but it was only the last few blocks that received this upgrade. The Su-27 and MiG-29 entered service almost a decade later, just a few years before the F-15C and the F-15E Strike Eacle, a variant that is specialized in air to ground and that could do air to air nearly as well. The F-16A also entered service nearly a decade after the F-15A and the F-14A, and the C variant entered service in the Mid eighties. So it is should that the MoG-29s, Su27s, and F-16s have better overall technology, because they were newer planes. By a wide margin, I won't even pu the Gripen on the same league, because the Gripen A entered service in the early 1990s and the Gripen C on the late 1990s and early 2000s the original Gripen, overal packed more modern technologies than the F-16A and even the F-16Cs. The R-73 also was indeed a better missile than the Sparrow and only with the introduction of th AAMRAM, the American fighter got a better missile. Só I thing that 12.3 is the right place for the F-15A.

[@Trigger_finger]

wasn`t the F-15 able to carry two AIM-9`s on one AIM-7 pylon

[@Swinq_next]

This is probably niche but the use of the ace combat 7 campaign music at the start was class

[@kamraam1464]

No way the 15 outperforms the 16C in a dogfight lol. You must not be fighting competent pilots.

[@SeekerHead]

Care to duel?

[@kamraam1464]

sure @@SeekerHead

[@SeekerHead]

Ping me on discord

[@Spartans5499]

8:41 That Teamkill is why I don't use the AIM-7M much anymore. You can't trust the radar missiles to hit their target and not a friendly.

[@natsuukii5866]

i stopped using the r530d on the 4000 when it looped around and killed me while locking a frogfoot, never again

[@edenfeledrum1540]

It's even worse with the AIM-7F. You can have a crystal clear radar lock on an enemy that is heading right towards you and it will still choose to chase down your teammate that is flying perpendicular to you for no reason. Not to mention all the times that the missile will just refuse to follow the tracking and just heads straight into the ground or into outer space.

[@MrDannyArcher]

You mitigate the lack of HMD by using radar slaving.

[@SeekerHead]

It’s really not the same in any way, they accomplish 2 different goals. Radar slaving to prevent pre-flaring, HMD for quicker lock acquisition

[@MrDannyArcher]

@@SeekerHead still better than straight up pointing the nose to the target

[@flak8842]

the problem is that air players does not know how they play the F-15 because of the fact that this jet is the same playstyle as the F-104 but idk why they have such a hard time with this aircraft ?

[@madfoxlabs3436]

Eow, I love the F-15 too but I have to be a F-14B pilot, just to help reduce the numbers of enemy team. Usually have a decent chance of removing 1 or 2 enemy planes. With a good amount of counter measures, it can survive for a bit and help waste more enemy missiles. My luck with the F-15 is probably bad, I only get uptiers vs entire teams of SU-27s. It's lots of fun if you don't have to deal with dozens of R-27ERs though. AIM-9M helps a lot.

[@jamesrobinson3624]

Sadly one of the biggest flaws this game still deals with is the 1.0 BR spread per match. On top of that the base match maker has no balance. I still have yet to see a single person flying a 12+ jet with least a 2/1 K/D ratio. SO many people use things like the F15 and F16 to base bomb. I view anything under a 3 to 1 k/d as bad and try to keep anything I play above least that. The game rewards the bads playing wrong like leaving the F15 at 12.3 and then letting it get all the full down tiers it wants just to bomb more bases. I love playing my Mirage F1 at 11.3 but it is so lame how just about every match is 12 or 12.3 just to let some F15s or F16s have a fighting chance. Where is the balance? Why is it SOOOO important for those players to have such an advantage over others? I like how the video mentions the Mig 23 and F4S a lot. Either all of the Mig 23s above 11 and the F4s need to go up in BR or the Mirage F1s need to go down. At no point in time have they ever been on the same level. Im sorry but im a firm believer that top tier (12+) ruins the game. Dont get me wrong 10.7-11.3 is currently the only BR I really play right now but still has major issues. The company builds everything towards that end of the scale and never the other way around. Balance the game and give everything its place.