Finding the Best ARPG Ever Made: Diablo 4

Diablo 4 has been out for a few weeks, and we've had time to analyze its pros and its cons (the many, many cons). For what could possibly be the most hyped release the ARPG genre has ever seen, does D4 live up to the hype (no). It's hard to say for sure, and the developers have the potential to make something truly great. Could the game, through a series of updates and innovations possibly be the Best ARPG Ever Made? Fat chance.
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[@BobbyDigMOB]

There should probably be a tier list at the end of every one of these for people to look up some of the games and remind others of the videos youve made in this series

[@BIGPILGRIM420]

yeah some randoms are asking if this is your first arpg because how could anything be better than D4?!

[@kf_isher1149]

GRIM DAWN

[@IBraveNX]

The moment Borderlands was included in this series, the goat was already decided

[@LolWutMikehSM]

Yeah but do something cooler than a tier list. But hit the goals!

[@johnb8132]

From the top of my head S Tier: Path of Exile (2000+ hours both from Steam and off Steam), possibly Chronicon (just bought it yesterday), Grim Dawn (No further explanation needed, huge build diversity, lots of replayability) A Tier: Titan Quest, Soulstone Survivors (Not really an ARPG yet it feels like one, roguelike similar to vampire survivors), Last Epoch (around 100 hours, has issues and bugs that I tried it from 2 different time and it always turns me off for some reason due to annoyance) B Tier: Torchlight Infinite (surprisingly good but the endgame became insanely grindy, once you reach it, build requires thousands of currency to be good) C Tier: Hero Siege. Unsure: Diablo 3 possibly C or B tier, played it using a Barbarian, reached paragons but stopped playing it before. I got bored real quick from it tbh. Haven’t played: Diablo 4, Wolcen.

[@valdimer11]

"They could've just named this game Lilith 1 and everyone would've moved on already" Holy shit this is probably the most true statement ive heard about this game. I sincerely feel like had this game not been a Diablo game, nobody would be playing it anymore.

[@Ronbotnik]

its honestly insane how true this is. if it wasnt called Diablo 4, i wouldnt be pushing through the slop every day trying to hit 100. im level 85. i stopped having fun 35 levels ago. every day i have to force myself to run another dungeon, do another helltide. would i be doing all this if it wasnt called Diablo 4? absolutely not lmfao and its sad

[@valdimer11]

@@Ronbotnik this is the quintessential critique I continuously hear about this game

[@chazfernandes9840]

@@Ronbotnik bro thats all on you.

[@wingfighter2]

Nobody is playing it anymore 😂 Streamers moved on, even their frontmen.

[@valdimer11]

@@dagowow you missed the point of what I said completely. This went way way way over your head.

[@thomaslareau453]

When Donan decided to touch the danger pillar... I felt that, 10/10 story.

[@GGJiaJia]

When did this happen???? I played through the entire story and don't remember this lol

[@malzagod1429]

Plot twist: Danger pillar is the final boss in the game PogU

[@andreaspetrov5951]

​@@GGJiaJiahe gets shanked by some corpse on a pillar down in hell at some point. Laughable considering all the bullshit he just survived, but what can you do.

[@AC-hj9tv]

@@andreaspetrov5951 oh yea lol cheap death

[@mysticjuice3363]

He had a deckard cain tier death lol

[@ham.strings]

Diablo IV endgame development was really, "What if we cram all the things people hate about MMOs in there?" They sold us an open world with mostly nothing in it so that each area could easily be rotated or phased into a daily-type event.

[@forgotaboutbre]

@@Firewynn_ The difference between D2 and D4 though is in the itemization. The itemization in D2 is pretty vast and there are loads of chase items in the endgame which make the endgame pursuit feel like it has some meaning. The only chase items in D4 are essentially impossible to find, and there are very few of them, rendering the endgame chase pointless.

[@FoodDipFan]

@@Firewynn_ Shako did not exist in vanilla Diablo 2. What are you smoking? Did you even play the game? The chase items in Diablo 2 classic was stuff like Silks of the Victor, rare amulets, dual leech rings, and SOJ which weren't that difficult to find if you were persistent (also rare lances and martel de fer). They were duped to the high heavens anyway to the point that a lance socketed with Pemeralds was worth 40 SOJs.

[@sonoffenix3399]

@@Firewynn_ Harlequin Crest didn't exist until LOD, you clown

[@gilian2587]

I remember when the Firewall sorceress was one of the most OP builds in the game. That was long before LOD. It may have made a comeback in D2R (I don't know... that unwieldy thing makes my PC run so hot)

[@ham.strings]

@@Firewynn_ Yes but in D2 I felt like doing this (and still do) because the loot in D2 is amazing. In D4, you do this and get a bunch of shit loot you can't trade or transfer to an alt you're leveling. It either works for your character or it doesn't, and you can't even keep separate sets of gear for different builds easily because switching out paragon boards is a giant pain in the ass as is switching aspects and so on. So yeah, the grind is similar, but in D2 you felt rewarded for it.

[@MrStoltverd]

Diablo 4 made me realize how much better Diablo 3 is

[@jacksonx7251]

I played like 15-20 hours of Diablo IV and then immediately went back to Grim Dawn.

[@mysticjuice3363]

based

[@MrTirien]

Bought grim dawn, cause d4 sucked so much. Holy hell grim dawn is great!

[@wildwilie]

@@MrTirien Path of exile is also a great option. Especially since its free.

[@McLolzable]

I played Druid and Rogue to 60~ lvl. Did some of the "end game". Now I'm playing Last Epoch.

[@arityomkrakov2665]

I'm in the same boat, only I don't own Last Epoch...Very tempted to pick it up. Seen lots of critique that the combat don't have any oomph! to it? Like the attacks don't feel powerful or brutal?

[@sburton84]

Is Last Epoch's end-game really any better? It's just grinding echos which are basically the same thing as Diablo's nightmare dungeons.

[@trueFleGMan]

​@@arityomkrakov2665 druid melee-skill feels like a wet fart when it hits in Last Epoch, the feedback is just horrible (pally and rogue were a bit better). However, I've played through the entire game as a chain lightning mage and it felt amaizing, just a full-on Palpatine expirience. So it depends heavily on the class.

[@arityomkrakov2665]

@@trueFleGMan That sounds great! I'm not one for melee classes, so it should be OK. Can rogue play more caster-ish, if you know?

[@trueFleGMan]

@@arityomkrakov2665 not sure if you can go exclusively ranged, but there is a marksman specialization for rogues, yes

[@Solaxer]

Yea I got to around level 60, messed around on some alts, and then basically haven't logged in in about 2 weeks. It is just something core about the game itself that doesn't grab me. Last Epoch, however, hooked me, and I can't wait for its full release. Imagine if LE had even a fraction of the funding and resources D4 has.

[@creeperkinght1144]

careful if you do that you'll make Blizzard cry again over pointless crap, and complain that the quality is too good

[@zercules9156]

Nox was the very first computer game I played and it got me hooked on the ARPG genre. I still play it every few years for nostalgia. I hope it holds up!

[@funnylookingfoetus]

Nox was amazing back then. The gameplay, the incredible amount of detail in the visuals. Every little apple. Superb. It was quite unique really. And definitely not the easiest game. Not sure how it will hold up now, but I am pretty sure he'll like it.

[@Beware...OblivionIsAtHand]

Best PVP in ARPG ever!

[@caramelconundrum9280]

Finally a real critique

[@bofygaming9672]

I'm still on the ad but yes I am thinking the same 🎉

[@adrianmilitaru4967]

Exactly what I thought

[@McLolzable]

there's no need for an indefinite article there you fool, you dollard, you bafoon

[@KingBanks18]

Lol

[@vanillaflavoured5735]

What? Everyone was destroying this shit

[@dark666razor]

The worst part for me, besides the D3-like garbage itemization, its the fact that it feels like there are like 10 different mobs total in this game lol.

[@kevinoneil5120]

Seriously. Someone was *really* proud of those ghost models.

[@seer6251]

Yeah what is that? I was wondering if I was going crazy and not noticing new mobs, but yeah, the variety is just not there.

[@dark666razor]

@@seer6251 I guess we'll find out in the next paid dlc. The world is really cool, and the quests everywhere are a plus. It just seems they left monsters for last, and it shows o.o

[@wz3953]

new world vibes, pirate skeletons as far as the eye can see

[@LongToad]

The itemization is no where near as bad as D3, it's just there isn't near enough uniques/aspects yet to open the build diversity up yet. -D3 is entirely too dependent on a handful of sets.

[@fabioc.9682]

this is by far the most accurate review I've seen yet. the thing with D4 is the more you play it, the less interesting it gets, until the game completely dies when you reach lvl60/70ish. and for a game that claims to be 'open world', it feels very much like an ant hill simulator.

[@joelhodoborgas]

If the reddit fanboys could read theyd be very upset

[@JinFreeks]

Funnily enough for me it was a different story. Between level ~54 (end of T2 story play through) until mid 70s (getting to the point of endgame itemization) I was bored out of my mind. When I finally reached the point that I don't have to scrap all my gear every half hour, actually died from Nightmare Dungeon content and optimization was finally becoming a thing I started to enjoy it. I'm a weird case tho. As I like to figure stuff out for myself and don't mind repetitious gameplay as long as I'm working on something challenging every now and then and I feel like my build optimization shows impact. Clearing my first T40 at lvl 75 while getting oneshot just the try before felt really good. (Bow assassin - super sad about having to share with knife and trap builds but what can you do)

[@vaughnrobbins9771]

For me the paragon board kept things fun for a while but I lost heart when I realized there is no fun items to chase, no good uniques outside of the ultra ones that are impossible to find.

[@JinFreeks]

@@vaughnrobbins9771 I mean, *technically* you make your own uniques by chasing the perfect roll rares and perfect roll aspect. And some of the common uniques can at least open up some variety like the pants that give you barrier when you overheal f.e. But I get where you're coming from.

[@bensolo7217]

I have the absolute opposite reaction The further in I go the more exciting the layers have become. I think it's absolutely brilliant. A modern recreation of the core philosophy that makes Diablo an addictive and unique experience

[@nuttyak2taps]

I found your channel from your Fate video and laughed my ass off the entire way through. Some of the best content on the platform imo, you've earned a sub.

[@sealboy1211]

lol someone posted this to blizzard forums. Immediate community flagged lol. Keep it real seer, you make the best KZbin content on this lovely genre, fuck all the shills.

[@JasonPegis]

I was looking forward to this, thanks Seer! Fun to see you rise up as a youtuber, been with you since the beginning.

[@Korenthia]

Baseg, here cause clown malded

[@lipslide101]

Baseg

[@MarJin727]

and the best thing is that Blizzard will not learn anything from this and will not draw conclusions😃✌️👊

[@ham.strings]

Blizzard's making money hand over fist with this game, they aren't going to learn anything unless people stop buying.

[@seer6251]

so it goes lol

[@MarJin727]

@@seer6251 That's why they gave us D2R, plan B,and in this case plan A, which always works.

[@gilian2587]

Blizzard has a decent track record of improving their games -- at least in the earlier Diablo games. On the other hand; Blizzard North doesn't exist anymore... the suits might put an end to that tradition.

[@blueape1234]

and people will not learn anything from this and still buy their games, no matter how shitty they are. This was the first time I resisted temptation and didnt buy a Diablo game from them and I feel proud like a former heroin addict that just quit shooting up

[@esmerylan]

Something you didn't mention that's been a problem for me because I'm a completionist: the difficulty of just finding all of the side quests, since the game doesn't have a log of completed quests and refuses to show those little blue exclamation marks on the map unless you're actually in the area where those quest givers appear. (Plus you've got the ones where some item randomly drops, you pick it up, and your character says "What is this?". How are you supposed to reliably track those down?) The best I've managed so far is 31 of 35 side quests completed in Fractured Peaks; I think I'm at about half the available side quests for the other four regions. I don't want to have to look up a guide just to find all of these, they should be easier to track down in game! Then again, the game could have stood some pruning in the side quest area, 40-50 per region is a little too much.

[@azadgun2324]

Bruh just found you, about to watch the whole series. First good DW lets play I found!

[@nicolasgonzalez629]

Great video as always, i wonder do we still have more arpgs to come?

[@seer6251]

Thank you so much! We literally have an avalanche of games to get to, believe me.

[@buzzhonky]

This is a really good assessment at where the game is, and a realistic understanding of the issues it faces moving forward. "I'm of the belief that if this game was actually just called Lillith 1, we wouldn't even care. Everyone would have moved on already," is exactly right.

[@nofiox31]

Honestly, so many people don't even know what makes a good game anymore. Hats off to you for actually knowing what a good game is, which d4 is not

[@Yadeehoo]

Good gaming is a thing younger generations will witness less and less.

[@christiansorensen5075]

always glad to see you upload a new vid, thanks seer

[@raincxndy]

hearing you use the dark cloud 1 and 2 ost in videos makes me so fucking happy, plus your humour is fantastic. subbed

[@sujimayne]

I think it might be a good idea to add a question mark to the end of the titles for these videos, as it can confuse people to think that you're considering D4 to be the best ARPG. Also, a dynamic tier list at the end of each video that gets updated as you play each ARPG would be great!

[@Toasty27]

this review exactly mirrors my gameplay experience. really wanted to like it, but got bored out of my mind. it isn't like there is nothing to do, its a ton, but everything is boring in a different way. its like having to to the dishes. and somehow so many people seem to like it

[@maxramerez7606]

So glad that you're finally taking on Minecraft: Dungeons, I've been waiting a long time, love your vids

[@AdoobII25]

damn I am glad I discovered your channel with this video, cool stuff

[@officialkirin7219]

Here from Quins reaction and you are pretty much right about most of the things you said. Good video man.

[@seer6251]

Thank you!

[@adrianmilitaru4967]

Do you have a link to the reaction?

[@officialkirin7219]

@adrianmilitaru4967 He deleted it. Maybe because everyone was disagreeing.

[@adrianmilitaru4967]

@@officialkirin7219 that’s a shame, wanted to see it. Thank you

[@akiipy22222]

D2 had impossibly rare items, that must be what players liked about it, lets add more in 4!

[@jans1982]

At least you can trade them with other people who could eventually need them.

[@dr.drakeramoray789]

yeee, except even in d2 those rarest items werent even best in slot. for example tyraels wasnt that good of an armor, but it was aesthetic af. deaths web was a situational item, it was the best for a very specific type of nec, BUT that type of nec was rarer than the drop itself. the more i think about d2, the more i realize just how perfect it was

[@seer6251]

I agree! But I think they've upped the ante far too much on the really rare ones. Grandfather not dropping once globally for over three weeks is insane lol. I'm not even sure there's a way to hunt for gear, I think the only influencing factor is mob density. Magic Find is kind of a meme statistic, but I love it, and I think it fills an important niche for gearing. If some of that returns in D4 I'd love it.

[@segfault_000]

​@@seer6251certain mob types drop certain item types more often, but the overall drop rates are so abysmal there's no real benefit to targeting that

[@Digitalstorm007]

Not really, most of the "rare" items in Diablo 2 could be easily gotten by the average ARPG fan within 3-500 hours outside of maybe Tyrials Might, but who cares, that's a trophy item, not something actually worth using. The uniques in D4 take literal hundreds of thousands of hours to ever see one.

[@pHixiq]

You legit are now one of my fav KZbinrs 😂😂. You are spot on man with this review 💯

[@billforson3143]

Im still watching all your amazing vids! Along with the 1000 other requests I hope you play a unknown game called undead horde, I guess it's an arpg heh

[@shraken_of_darktide9066]

I love the shtick comedy LOL, and the background music from Kiby's Dreamland for the NES. Great content, and I'm happy to see your channel growing as fast as it has! Keep at it, bro! Now to go blast a line so grinding D4 doesn't suck as much... Because if I have learned anything from the last 10 years of blizzard BS is, only drugs make their games fun.

[@guilhermewhite7274]

finally some balls

[@seer6251]

at long last

[@thewuvluv]

LMAO I cannot explain the nostalgia rush i got when you put "The Incredible Machine" music on.

[@ZackBasson]

So far I'm enjoying it and really looking forward to the monk (that'll hopefully be added)

[@hairmachine1284]

The review I was waiting for, never clicked so fast did not disappoint, etc. A fascinating thing about ARPGs (which tbh are basically fancy ass slot machines at their core, and I say that with love) is how narrow the line between awesome and dogshit can be. those subtle things that change the experience from "I am excited to farm the same monster for an hour and see what happens" to "there is nothing at all in this game I want to do a second time". Really makes ya think

[@Widelongfaces]

I think you summed up my feelings on the game with the remark about enjoyment being thrown out the window the moment you hit 50. I'd rather farm pindle for a week straight than do any of the shit this game wants you to do to get mediocre gear that doesn't even change anything.

[@TheBenenen]

I see your subscriber count has grown since I last visited, this pleases me

[@Jamesssssssssssssss]

I can't wait for you to review Minecraft Dungeons, got it on sale and its not too bad imo.

[@i_am_ergo]

Kudos on the script. It must've been so tempting to just call itemization and progression ass and move on, but you decided to elaborate, and boy, did you!

[@seer6251]

Perhaps too much LOL

[@lachlanfaulks4276]

@@seer6251 can you do diablo 2 as the finding the best arpg

[@AbsoluteBumder]

@@lachlanfaulks4276 Sorry, Diablo 2 wasn't good enough to make the cut.

[@Deepthroww]

Well to be fair, I'd assume that's the standard when you're giving constructive criticism

[@joelhodoborgas]

@@seer6251 nah dude love your rants cheers

[@jacquesweilheix1419]

One of the greatest d4 videos ever made

[@Imperium83]

I spent the last week working towards renown completion, am about 3/4 of the way done and had to stop and redownload Borderlands 3 to feel what it's like to have good loot. Don't think I will be playing again for a year, I haven't felt so burnt out from a video game in a long time.

[@ImHELLBERG]

Great to see Seer bless us with another glorious video!

[@dave_8600]

Increase base move speed by 50%, make all legendary powers go in codex, tone CC way down then reassess

[@MrTirien]

Finally someone that isnt on copium and/or blizzard fanboy. Honest review, and i think you were being kind here. Playing grim dawn, s tier arpg.

[@bstonceltics033]

Can you add time markers so when I’m fighting for my life on the toilet and the goings gettin rough I can have an idea of where I was before I blacked out. 🙂 Appreciate the hard work and seemingly non biased review.

[@yellowblanka6058]

Might want to consider dialing back on the fast food and exercising more if blacking out on the toilet is a regular occurrence...just a thought.

[@raramstad]

[@flems5067]

I think my biggest gripe by far is the lack of unique items. I feel like I’d still be playing D4 rn if it had the 300+ unique items and set items and maybe a more balanced set of rune words and stuff like that.. too me that’s the biggest thing missing. I loved the gearing process I needed to get a character strong enough to take on the Ubers in D2.. it just doesn’t feel that way in D4

[@xBezerkerrr]

Yeah I have around 55 uniques and the majority of those are duplicates of the same 3 items that I have 6-7 of each lol

[@flems5067]

@@xBezerkerrr yeah I hate the small overall selection they have now . Like there’s definitely a few cool ones and getting them for the first time is always cool but the game is definitely missing that wide variety of uniques

[@Three60Mafia]

Well there are like 8 uniques per class, and if you are lucky, 2 of them are any good. Gameplay changing? most of them are not even an upgrade from a decent legendary. They played it waaay too safe with them.

[@TheGlobuleReturns]

Oh ye, just overload the game with ‘uniques’, making them in no way unique. We got a good number to begin with pre-season 1. They will bring in more and more as the games life cycle continues. If you’re burned out and have all the uniques already, maybe your 8 hour-a-day grind will never fill that void you’re trying to get the game to fill for you, regardless of your game of choice.

[@flems5067]

@@TheGlobuleReturns pretty bold to assume how much free time I have to play video games. I wish I could play games for 8 hours a day all the time but my wife, baby and mortgage payments won’t allow me to do so 😭 lol.. and sure it doesn’t have to have as many uniques and set items day 1 as d2 has but with there being 54? Of them and 6 of which being pretty much impossible too get I really don’t see that as being a decent amount per character tbh. Idk if you’ve played D2 (if you havnt I highly recommend it) but it never felt like the game was overloaded with uniques imo. I did come to D2 late too be fair so I can’t say how many there were at launch. But I personally I believe more uniques is a good thing and less uniques leads to there really not being much to work towards. I don’t feel like there’s much else of a goal in the end game outside of reach level 100 and kill Uber Lilith .. I feel as if the game lacks goals inbetween all that. But again that’s just my opinion.

[@TheFantom_X]

Im not giving Blizzard a single penny.

[@Barlaxthechicken]

Old games are still good Diablo 1,2,3, Warcraft trilogy, StarCraft 1 & 2, etc

[@Woupsme]

I agree with you. Absolutely loved the beta. But when it fully released and I got further than the beta, it started to feel samey. Haven't even hit lvl 60, but I've still fought the same mobs and cleared the same dungeons or events hundreds of times. And starting a new character will just demand that once again. Doesn't seem fun to me.

[@antonego9581]

it gets worse the further you get. it literally never changes. i got to lie 68 on sorc before giving up and i don't think i had found a single item upgrade at that point in 10 levels. used the exact same skills since like lvl 15. What a shame

[@omerfaruk-qg8ez]

Nice video. Please do Slormancers next!

[@cassianosntg]

Great video, as always! Comedy aside, it perfectly summarizes how I also feel about the game in its current state.

[@dinguschantheii2165]

Honestly yalls content easilly surpasses a lot of the big name diablo creators in not only analysis of the game, but by far entertainment. Cant tell ya how burnt out I feel from the same ol monotone words being said with content being padded out by the same 3 cutscenes lol

[@TheNemkris]

bro doesn't know what yall means

[@gamedoutgamer]

Agreed! Hey what is that game you mentioned at the end? Nox? Can't find one with those graphics.

[@droughty666]

edit: it is indeed Nox bump, I also want to know

[@zegetable]

loved the vid, but also if the next video you make would only complain about cc in this game that would be cool too. It's insane how you can just get chain cc by dif cold enchanted mobs, then you get rooted, then the cold walls all spawn on top of each other and you and insta freeze you again :)

[@zegetable]

also stash space is coooompletely dog shit

[@BIGPILGRIM420]

best selling completely mid game of all time. feels more like a quaint attempt at an unfamiliar genre than a triple A studio setting the standard for it. completely carried by nostalgic legacy branding.

[@GnosticAtheist]

As it says in the bible, "Yay, and the lord sayeth Blizzard is a false prophet trying to take the money from morons. Kewl kidz play Grim Dawn or other proven non-monetized games, yay x 2".

[@LongToad]

I don't think it's as bad as you people make it out to be, potential counts for something. The game hasn't even been out a month while most of the other games he's reviewed have been out for decades. A few more patches/new season and 90% of the problems will be solved. -Even as is, how can you honestly think this game is worse than some of the other shit games he's reviewed as contenders for best ARPG? He's far too soft on older games because he knows they're beloved, in order for this to be fair he needs to be more objective.

[@Tojozomi]

@@LongToad He literally addresses this point in the video, talking about how people are comparing the game to diablo 2 to put it in a favourable light. If you need to compare it to its own prior iteration from TWENTY-THREE years ago just to make it seem passable, it is a pretty mid game. Not to mention that "mid" is not particularly making the game out to be bad, just not particularly outstanding in any aspect or providing something that makes you want to pick it over literally anything else.

[@RandomNPC-sy6gj]

@@LongToad It is a triple A studio that has had the game in development for years. Stop making excuses like "it has only been out a month". Sorry to go all old man on you, but in my day we bought a physical copy of the game and it was finished at release. D4 is rather ass and you wishing the game gets better is pure cope.

[@LongToad]

@@RandomNPC-sy6gj I don't know what you people expect out of a game. Half the people complaining bitch that it isn't fun after 100 hours. Guess what? All ARPGs get boring at that point. It's not finished? I didn't say it was unfinished, I said it would get better and you'd only have more content with time. -The main reason people come back to PoE, or most other ARPGs is because seasons or new content. They all get boring fairly quickly.

[@rexchance5598]

thank god there's someone with a functioning set of eyes and ears, can't believe the number of content creators in love with D4's dog-tier story and mindnumbingly monotone color pallete

[@leadpaintchips9461]

TBH with the monotone color palette, we have only ourselves to blame. The amount of people _still_ complaining about how D3 is too colorful for Diablo is silly, and the amount of support the 'fixes' to it (slapping a grey/brown scale filter on it) is also silly.

[@Kabraxismc]

@@leadpaintchips9461 nah this out of touch team is to blame. People wanted LESS flashy, warcraft'like and colourful. Not completely devoid of color saturation, contrasts or any vivid colors. D4 looks nothing like D2 and D1 because the devs are fucking clueless and dont understand niuance.

[@Lemmestarve]

It's funny cause the story is genuinely the best part of the game 💀 the rest of the game is good but for a couple of seconds and then it's just repetitive and boring.

[@hueypancakes597]

"Lithith I: A Polished Turd" thank you for summarizing everything ive been feeling abour this game. Part of me wants to stick it out but ultimately past 50 this game just snaps from being a quick paced roml to an absolute grindy slog, and theres no real end point either to make it feel like your time was worth it. Thanks for the great review as usual mate

[@kmaguire7161]

I'm actually enjoying the game but agreed with most of what you said. Hope they improve the game. Very curious about what season 1 will bring. If the seasonal mechanics are trash I won't really have high hopes for the future.

[@juxyper]

really needs new mechanics to make progression and skillbuilds varied and fun and mobs, lots of mobs

[@pewp89]

Imagine McDonald's creates a new sandwich; a burger but instead of beef, it's shit. A shitburger. Then you go online and all the critics are saying the sandwich has potential... maybe just needs cheese on it, maybe more pickles, or to be on a toasted bun. And you're just watching them and thinking "Isn't anyone gonna mention the literal patty of shit?" That's how I've felt about D4 until now. Finally, someone who speaks the truth about this epic fail of a game. Thank you.

[@johnhorne1839]

Razorfist did a very similar rant in his Dragon Age 2 review.

[@bofygaming9672]

I look forward to a part 2 after youve reached level 100

[@Ronbotnik]

if he does so it will truly be the most bitter and bored Seer we have ever witnessed

[@TheTechnicalMiracle]

14:51 I swear to god the music choices you make are literally from every game I've ever played. My reptilian brain activated with this one. Thanks for also listing them!

[@venomsnigle44]

I've been waiting for this review from my boi Seer and I'm glad I did

[@therealharshlycritical]

Subbed immediately because you made quin spazz out 😂😂😂😂

[@dataintedreality]

I admit, I was slightly triggered when I saw the title and decided to watch it to see what you find "best" about it. I was pleasantly surprised with your review. It accurately describes the game to a T. This game is easily the worst Diablo ever made (it should be called Lilith 1 as you said).

[@seer6251]

haha, I actually do worry about my titles sometimes. People see that I "think" Diablo 4, or Dink Smallwood is the best ARPG ever made and I fear they're going to throw bricks through my window.

[@wallonfly]

The sad part is D3 has a more complex skill system than D4. And even that is super basic but somehow D4 manages to be even more bare bones and basic. The only thing it's got going over D3 is the paragon. D3 was just +5 mainstat every level past a certain point.

[@kunka592]

Wasn't expecting The Incredible Machine music in this video. Nice nostalgia hit.

[@gongal]

There's more Diablo games at this point than collective brain cells at Blizzard's HQ.

[@empressabyss]

godlike content as always!! i am always so MINDBLOWN by how quickly the runtime in your videos goes. 17 minutes feels like 5; the pacing is perfect in its speed. slowing would be fine to do imo, but at your current speed, you dont leave anything out at all, so the speed never feels like a downside. its like listening to music; something is ALWAYS happening, but every moment is important and blissful. i can just never get enough of your takes and your content, seer!! i wish every genre had a clone of you producing content, because yours is so far beyond any other... well, a girl can dream

[@Yadeehoo]

Yup, the storytelling is captivating

[@seer6251]

I'm really glad you enjoy, thank you! Kind words like yours help me to muse and mumble out nonsense for these videos, and it really does help me get through the lows of video creation!

[@Dadge42]

Altars of Lilith and renown are just like... why put this in the game? Altars of Lilith especially are presented as optional little bonuses in the beginning, quickly become mandatory, and the best (only?) method of acquiring them all is by using a 3rd party addon and then go track down each little spot on the map. How did anyone think that would be fun.

[@Cabal-ms3kb]

Great review, Dink Smallwood!

[@MajoraZero]

People sharing they enjoy the path to level 50 and then it's bad after. And here I am, not even enjoying that. I wish this had Diablo 3 skills, you had a bunch of different ones that were all fun. You'd level up, unlock a skill or a variation of one and it was fun to swap to it and kill things.

[@macleangrissle2635]

Bought D4 a few days after release, thought I'd just treat myself, fuck it. Played with a few friends a bit. Played alone a bit. At around level 60, I still couldn't figure out why I even kept starting the game. There's just ... nothing. It feels like some random mobile game. Or like I imagine those random mobile games. It increasingly felt like an empty waste of time, which I rarely get as a gamer of more than 30 years. Haven't played for about a week now. Didn't even think about it. But I have started my first serious D2 hardcore character instead. 😂 Too bad those 63 Euros are gone though.

[@geoffreylunt9299]

I think a lot of the problems with itemization could be fixed if they added a decent loot filter as well as adding more varied and more powerful class specific unique items. I think druid is the most interesting class for this reason; they have some unique items that enable some pretty cool and powerful builds. Also I would argue that the game is good after 60 but only to like 70-80, depending on how lucky you are.

[@fishblade2]

Another one of the series!!!! I love these!!!

[@taskupikachu9949]

Seeries*

[@Mansmyth802]

D2 I made a a bowzon just because I found a bow lvl req 18 but u do like 400 dmg some yellow random

[@mitch6962]

You're absolutely right, man. Level scaling is horrible. Game is trash. I'm playing Diablo 2.

[@thewindroad7794]

Thank you for actually reviewing this game. The first legitimate one I've seen.

[@mrskinszszs]

I like the game, but I also agree wholeheartedly with what needs to be done for long term playing. I have hit 70 with 2 characters and I can't be bothered to level any further due to what you mentioned.

[@officialkirin7219]

Did Quin just privated the video because like 60%+ were disagreeing with him?

[@krullet3560]

Or maybe they thought it would send too much hate towards Seer in hindsight? It might be some messages behind the scenes too, many reaction videos gets pulled down if the creator asks politely to remove it

[@officialkirin7219]

@@krullet3560 But the majority was on Seers side. Almost 2/3 disagreed with Quins opinion.

[@krullet3560]

@@officialkirin7219 Sounds like every Quin take lol

[@officialkirin7219]

@@krullet3560 lmao :D

[@MagpieMcGraw]

I played both of the betas and reached level 20 in both. I remember having fun between levels 18 and 19.

[@joelhodoborgas]

Yes the problems are mostly past level 70 when you start the end game, leveling and the campaign are awesome

[@WatPatat]

I knew it couldn't have just been me. During the beta I really enjoyed playing to get to level 25 so I could get the wolf backpack thingy, but as soon as I reached that goal, I was done. I wasn't motivated anymore to play. I thought "ehhh, it's the beta, they will improve with the full release". I played as soon as it released and after about 5 - 10 hours I was done. Normally, with a new ARPG, I want to quit my job so I can have more time to play... But with Diablo 4 I was actually motivated to do some work. Great video as always, you have great humor, scripts and the editing is top-notch. You're one of the few KZbinrs where I actually can't wait for the next video

[@stinkybean5]

As I am watching the vid, first off, prime content as always seer, second off, another guy that covered this game, a one JoshStrifeHayes, goes over this game also and does a an extra marvelous job of laying bear the monetization of this game. Go figure, his content mostly focuses on covering mmos; so, basically a fellow mad lad.

[@lelxrv]

The best arpg was released in 2000. I tried many of them since then, nothing comes close.

[@austingrapes5455]

This will be hard to post without writing an essay but I'll try summarize. The Biggest problem with all the Face-Tank ARPGs (Diablo-like) is enemy dynamization. Not just how you approach enemies but how enemies have strengths and weaknesses. Like if you have one build, your build is super great against certain enemies but some enemies are designed to hard counter your specific build. Like if you do a thorn build, it can become overpowered against melee enemies but does jack shit with range. Or if you put in alot of points into bleed but it doesn't affect Rock Golems because they have no blood. Or you have strong stats into earth magic but is not good against flying enemies. Or Slime type monsters are pretty much immune to physical damage. So basically coming up with clever ways to have multiple "rock paper scissors" systems with the game. I actually wrote like 5000 pages on a FaceTank Arpg that I think would fix the ARPG genre. Super Nerdy I know 🤓.

[@SerechII]

You typed a lot and managed to say absolutely nothing, I'd really not want to read those 5000 pages of fluff

[@zaxon810]

@@SerechII Lmao took me less than a minute to read through. Git gud

[@draconianmethods7110]

Yo! Bro covered the new Diablo! Let's goo!

[@Elijah668]

I wonder if you are an artist cause these animations and transitions are nice.

[@morrocanwarriordna8710]

1 word to sum up this review? Baseg

[@cbear3476]

Been waiting on this and nothing but truths was dropped. Keep up the good and honest work ❤

[@BastionBuxBalthazar]

the diddy kong racing track goes hard af homie

[@mgt1429]

Getting to level 68 was enough Diablo 4 for me, there's nf way I am doing this every season.

[@uhbleach3855]

glad I spent the money I would've spent on d4 on a year of osrs membership instead. Back to clicking rocks and waiting for death :D

[@uhbleach3855]

also I forget who but another content creator had described D4 as "destiny cosplaying as diablo" back when the obt came out, and that made the whole concept of the game click for me (in that I didn't give a shit).

[@seer6251]

That's chad energy right there 👏

[@SinfulGFX]

I enjoyed it up to level 50, but it's brutal from 50-100 and not worth my time at that point.

[@Still.No.Name.]

1. Great video as always. Love the duality you have where these videos are cynical but your live streams are fairly wholesome. 2. You’re spot on with the lore and the story. They butchered it just to sell a “cool” story. 3. Gameplay was where I was really worried and I’m sad to see that my fears were confirmed. D4 is better than it could have been but still not good enough for the d2 legacy.

[@CCSplinters]

Hi Seer, hope you can include Undecember in your series. Thanks! It's free to play.

[@WW-zt1zs]

I think honestly even though he is in the name, Diablo became such a laughingstock that i don't really want to see him again. Like ....we've beaten him 3 times ffs. He got buffed twice and at certain point he became basically Tathamet. I don't think he can be an effective villain and more importantly he doesn't bring any interesting dynamic to the table....of lore. I think those chaotic good and evil characters with lots of depth could be a way to go. Lilith was awesome....I would like to see at some point Horazon maybe? Like he survived in his weird dimensions and became super juiced and like...insane. Maybe like some lovecraftian ultra powerful entity that brings third....or fourth ( if we count humans) faction to the table.Just.....not Diablo. Again.

[@seer6251]

Actually great point lol. Diablo stinks, he never wins anyway. Even in d3 when he becomes the mega fusion Diablo he dies before accomplishing anything.

[@WW-zt1zs]

@@seer6251 By the way, great video Seer! I am more hopeful for future of this game but I agree with pretty much everything, there are issues!

[@Ryan-wt1mb]

I completely agree with everything except I somehow like the game. With all it’s fault I find myself excited to play even after putting in 150+ hours. Very hopeful they fix the issues though as I can’t see myself coming back season after season. Even if I don’t it’s worth the $70 price tag

[@seer6251]

Glad to hear it! Contrary to what it might seem like, I enjoy things being good and enjoyed lol. I hope Season 1 does a bunch to the game, and it'll turn it on for me too.

[@kirebub]

Are you teasing me again with the NOX review Seer? I remember you mentioning it as far back as your PoE review

[@seer6251]

Oh deary me, I was wondering if I had teased it before haha. It will be the next ARPG video this time!

[@mannbor]

Nox Is absolutely a treasure from when I was young. Might be Nostalgia glasses but it was one of my favorite games.