How Much Better Was The Neo Geo CDZ?

Let's see just how much better those load times were with the Neo Geo CDZ vs. the original top loader.
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Episode Notes:
1. Real hardware was used all around.
2. Music playing during each segment was added for entertainment purposes. There is no music during the actual loading.
3. The Neo Geo CDZ tends to be more expensive than the other models, particularly complete in box.
4. The CDZ uses a different power brick than the top loader.
5. By default, I also found the image quality of the CDZ to have a default higher contrast than the top loader, at least on my units.
6. The CDZ does have a CD player dashboard if you put in a music CD. It just skips it now with a game.
7. Believe me when I say that the point wasn't lost on me that this is 17 minutes of load times. While I genuinely wanted to make the episode to demonstrate the CDZ, I was also curious if anyone would actually watch it.

[@raiders7294]

"I won't sugar coat it. You are about to see a video about load times." I would subscribe again if I could.

[@umbrellacorp.]

I never expected to be watching a whole video just about two loading screens and which one is faster. 😩

[@thaddeousmaximussussex7014]

Love your avatar ! Umbrella

[@umbrellacorp.]

@@thaddeousmaximussussex7014 Your pic is awesome too. I am a dad also. Dads are Awesome. 😎👍💯

[@darkcoeficient]

And knowing who wins!

[@billcook4768]

SLX: Loading times suck Also SLX: Here’s a video of load screens Me: Sure, I’ll watch.

[@ultimateman55]

To me, the Neo Geo CD was always kind of like settling for a Mustang when you wanted a Ferrari.

[@elgatofelix8917]

Mustangs are still pretty cool though. If I could I would own both!

[@leomariano2735]

I feel like is closer to getting and adapted VW beetle when you wanted a Porsche

[@johnellis3383]

"I won't sugar coat it, you are about to see a video about load times" jokes on you I'm into that shit! Another great video brother!

[@FinalDriveshow]

Ninja Combat and Cyber-Lip are two of the most underrated Neo Geo games!

[@balaam_7087]

Enjoying these different platform retrospectives. iirc, I’m about 10 years younger than you SegaLordX, so while I remember stuff like the Neo•Geo consoles, they were permanently and eternally out of my price range at the time. It’s neat to see what I missed all those years ago. Keep up the great work.

[@SegaLordX]

Thank you. Appreciate the comment.

[@mauruhkatigaming4807]

@@SegaLordX I think it's one of the best things about this channel. So much of the history of this era of gaming is written by Xennials/Oregon Trail generation content creators. They do REMEMBER this period, but from the perspective of someone who was a kid at the time. It's very rare to hear from someone who was an adult, and had an adult's critical faculties then as well as now.

[@apr2499]

I’d take my consolized MVS any day of the week. Seeing those loading screens on Pulstar is enough to drive one crazy! It’s super fast on the MVS.

[@bryandavidasuncion9515]

In my country we could rent these at a certain establishment per hour. Renting the neoogeo cd meant that a lot of that time was spent on loading screens. And there was no cdz version back then

[@markkatain7891]

Never heard of the CDZ. That's why I've loved this channel the past 5 years- always consistent and engaging quality content! Thank you SLX!

[@SicketMog]

Been trying to sell mine for quite some time. But the CD's aren't exactly interesting now that the console can emulate on a phone I guess. Oh well. 😝

[@williampamblanco]

Same here! I knew about the CD but thought it was a one-and-done. Thanks Sega Lord X!

[@Tolbat]

Am a video game geek I not only appreciated this, I loved it.

[@Juice2Fifty]

I’m so proud of myself! I was able to identify Galford’s theme during the Pulstar comparison 😅 Man, I used to play that game ALL THE TIME on my Genesis!

[@Marcus_K]

Galford's theme wasn't in Pulstar though. SLX was just overlaying it in the video for some bizarre reason.

[@SegaLordX]

Load screens don't have sound. I added music for ambience.

[@Juice2Fifty]

@@Marcus_K Lol, I probably wasn’t clear. He had it playing during the game footage, that’s all.

[@oblivieon1567]

The Neo CD era was strange. I never understood why SNK and Sega didn't team up and just release the games on Saturn. I know SNK did release some but if they were at least partially involved in the development of the Saturn, they could have brought their library over without having to go at it alone by developing their own hardware. The CD system was still very expensive on launch, it just didn't make much sense.

[@cepopeye]

Ur forgetting that saturn is the one of the largest in the solar system already when sega first a glint in the womb’s eye

[@Marcus_K]

The Neo Geo was always primarily an arcade board. In the arcades the Neo Geo lasted until 2004. The home versions were a sideshow in comparison.

[@Sinn0100]

You aren't kidding man...I mean Sega and SNK were so tight back then they were producing specialized RAM carts for KOF on the Saturn. Had SNK fully joined Sega I don't think it would have changed the outcome of the 5th generation but we would have gotten some incredible 2D games.

[@marcelosoares7148]

I guess SNK wanted all the profit from the sales instead of giving SEGA a cut

[@ArneChristianRosenfeldt]

Mass production brought the cost of the drive itself down ( mechanics, laser ). Like with SegaCD and pcEngine the huge cache ( RAM ) is expensive.

[@mjdf122]

Sega Lord X And The Neo Geo

[@sega-re-trop-vieux]

I played all the fighting games from the Neogeo on the Saturn and with kof97 the loading times was just fine, I can’t imagine how awful it was for those who get into the Neogeo cd with that game.

[@ScottWozniak]

The Saturn version of The King of Fighters '97 required the 1MB or 4MB RAM cart (like most of the Neo Geo ports for Saturn) which is why loading times weren't much of an issue.

[@sega-re-trop-vieux]

@@ScottWozniak the 1mb is enough. If we use the 4mb there is some glitches sometimes ( especially in metal slug and kof )

[@ScottWozniak]

@@sega-re-trop-vieux KoF '97 should not glitch with a proper 4MB RAM cart. Kof '96 only works with the 1MB.

[@makavelimusolini1036]

We did, gotta say the cdz did make a difference.

[@Tyjohnable]

Oh my god that loading for the character introduction would drive me nuts Like it totally. Looks like you should start playing and all they do is freaking pull their weapons out and bow to each other

[@Marc_Araujo]

I'm glad I picked up a CDZ when I did (circa 2008). Considering what I paid for it and my NTSC games then and where prices are at now, I'm really lucky. My only complaint of the console is the censoring of the NTSC-region games...that and I wish that more of the Metal Slug games had been released for it (especially Metal Slug X).

[@MasaCheez]

I wonder if uni-bios works on the CD Neo Geo platforms AND if changing region would allow you to play the Asian version of those games like it works on the AES & MVS? Something maybe worth looking into?

[@Contra0083]

I've started playing the aca versions of neo geo games on my xbox as ive always been a fan but now i really want a cdz after watching this

[@VOAN]

I'm glad we don't had to suffer with load times on these games anymore. I got most of these on Nintendo Switch and they load super fast. The Breaker ports on Switch even had online play with hardly any lags.

[@Lord_Deimos]

I didn't know such a thing existed beyond the standard Neo Geo and Neo Geo CD. Then again, I've never known anyone who owned a Neo Geo back then.

[@PixelShade]

To be fair, I don't necessarily think the NEO GEO CDZ is particularly slow at all (it seem similar to Saturn and Playstation). What probably really stuck out to a lot of people with the NEO GEO CD in general was that SNK always showcased loading with a big neon sign saying, "hey, this sucks" with their generalized, boring loading screen in most of the games. If they could've masked the initial loading times with one or several cool "unskippable" animated splash screens I don't think a lot of people would've noticed it as much. and they could've also been smart about it. Masking loading screens with "vs.-animations", as well as tips and tricks between fights, as well as using things like "score counting". With those things in place, If they could pull that off I think people would have percieved the loading times as much shorter than they are perceived right now...

[@humansrants1694]

Should compare it to Street Fighter 2 on the PS1.

[@ridiculous_gaming]

I own a Neo Geo AES, CD and two arcade boards. Launching the first CD model with a single speed drive was truly a ridiculous mistake. Nevertheless, what a capable 2D powerhouse.

[@greenkoopa]

I feel the same about the Sega CD. Granted that came out a few years earlier so...wtf neo geo

[@mikeberg6407]

Doubt, if you owned or played an Arcade board or even the CD compared to a few of these you would know how ridiculous this video comparison is. 😂 Emukids all over this website fronting.

[@ridiculous_gaming]

@@greenkoopa It's true that the Neo Geo released far too late. However, the earlier released Sega CD included everything the Genesis lacked. More powerful CPU, sprite scaling, more added sprites, ram, improved audio, etc. It's too bad that many of the released titles were simple cartridge versions with an fmv video. It had tons of potential.

[@tiredastired]

1:12 incredible line

[@OhMyPoBoy]

Just picked up my first saturn with daytona on a trade today because you got me so interested. Thanks SLX

[@ALM1GHTY.PEANUT]

One of my more favorite videos from this year. I had no idea the difference was that pronounced

[@hacktheplanet.]

I had the NEO CD for quite some time, the load times never really bothered me. But the games library really did. Worth the extra to pick up an MVS imo, never looked back.

[@jamesragland03]

I watch your videos every morning before work 5am eastern time lol

[@ravagingwolverine]

At first, I was not planning to watch the whole thing when I realized it was just raw loading comparisons, but then it got compelling a couple of minutes in. You do have a way with these things, SLX. Nicely done. I had heard both sides of the CDZ, that it made a big difference, or that it made a small difference that wasn't worthwhile. Seeing an actual comparison really clarified things. It seems to be a significant difference in most cases. I don't know what they were thinking with Last Blade 2, loading just the opening taunts like that. For KOF '98, at least you could play single play as well as team play. That would probably help if you were not in the mood for as many load times. Single makes it a traditional best-of-three round fighter, as I recall. Sure, it does hurt some of the appeal of KOF being a team fighter, but the gameplay is so strong that it would be worth playing either way. And you could play team play when you could deal with the loading.

[@gracekim25]

I sure am addicted to video game history 😊

[@Riz2336]

The cartridge versions will always rule over the cd ones. Thankfully I picked up a good amount of mvs carts when they were dirt cheap, not possible now a days

[@Gatorade69]

How cheap ? Personally MVS carts have never really been "cheap" lol.

[@Riz2336]

I got Windjammers and Crossed Swords for like 30-40 bucks. I've checked the boards they aren't bootlegs either

[@erick103]

I wish I saw this video 4 years ago before I paid a chunk of change for a CDZ. I still love having it, but I may not have bothered back then if I knew how bad those newer titles loaded. But at least I got to live my childhood dream of owning a Neo Geo console! Amazing video!

[@kazvall8157]

Yo, thanks once again for the vids!

[@zed-xr4353]

I dont have much nostalgia for the NeoGeo, but I still find the subject of the home systems fascinating. Thanks for putting this comparison together, I doubt it was very exciting getting footage. 😂

[@DigiPen92]

Dang, the Neo Geo CDZ does look pretty good while loading very faster than the Neo Geo CD had. Good thing that SNK had partner up with Hamster to rerelease the SNK Neo Geo games on modern consoles that I can grab them on the Nintendo Switch console. By the way, @Sega Lord X, do you think you can do a video of what Neo Geo games or any SNK arcade games are still missing on Hamster's Arcade Archives on Modern Platforms? I am currently grabbing to get any Neo Geo games on my Nintendo Switch through Nintendo Switch eShop that I don't have on my Neo Geo Mini International console since Terry Bogard's introduction to Super Smash Bros. Ultimate's Fighter Pass Vol. 1 made me introduced to SNK and picking up any Neo Geo games on the Nintendo Switch.

[@VictorCaro]

Have you tried with a neo CD sd loader? Makes a world of difference.

[@VictorCaro]

@@teamdoa of course not, but have been available last few years now. My neo CD has gotten more use since I installed it.

[@felman87]

Yeah, the CDZ had a 2x CD Rom drive so the loading was cut in half (as you can tell by the progress bars). So, for some games it didn't matter all that much. 5 seconds was cut down to 2.5. No biggie. But if you were waiting for a minute, then yeah shaving 30 seconds was a big deal.

[@lain328]

I find it interesting that most people don't realize that. There are actually options in the settings to help load times in some games. Probably has to do with the fact that they're weirdly named. I believe last blade actually does have some settings that will make the load time faster. like a less detailed character select screen and skip the battle intro.

[@SegaLordX]

In some games, yes, but it doesn't help as much as you'd think. The load times are still long and often in those games.

[@lain328]

@SegaLordX Very true, but I don't think many people know it even exists. Select a few games. It makes the unbearable bearable. But of course, with sd loaders now available, it doesn't really matter.

[@elderinmoi1571]

Nice video but this thing might be hard to find and the prices might cause more pain than any loading time ever can.

[@gcolombelli]

This is a thing for really passionate collectors, between decent emulators and things like the arcade stick pro and the MiSTer FPGA, there are plenty of options that will give you a better bang for your buck. Heck, if you feel like you must own original hardware, a "consolized" MVS is the way to go. Sure, it's not as sleek and cool as the AES or even the CD/CDZ, but it won't cost you an arm and a leg.

[@MarquisDeSang]

I prefer to watch a Loading Screen than anything Disney or Netflix are producing.

[@OhKayEl]

At least the loading screens aren't trying to teach you the importance of gender balance and ethnical diversity 😂😂😂

[@MarquisDeSang]

@@OhKayEl Don't give EA and Ubisoft any bad ideas.

[@codydfwn]

Thank you, such a brave soul. lol

[@carlgrimes2512]

​@@OhKayElHow do disney films do that?

[@BrazenScull]

@@OhKayElRent free.

[@bdillmore40]

Absolute fantastic video! Very informative! I own the model 2 top loader, and while the load times aren't great I still love it! I would love to buy a CDZ if they weren't so damn expensive!

[@joshoshea3194]

If someone had told me back then that in the future you'd be able to play Neo Geo arcade games through Mame on your phone or tablet for free with no slowdown whatsoever I wouldn't have believed it. I'm still impressed today! Hook that baby up to a TV with an arcade stick and you're in retro paradise. I think kids today are spoiled with PS5's and the likes. They'll never know the pain of not being able to afford a single cartridge of Metal Slug let alone the dam console!?

[@Pagaugezero]

Awesome comparison. Love the Neo Geo episodes.

[@RussFactorShow]

really cool! Seems like the CDZ loaded everything in half the time! nice!

[@Dookie69uk]

I remember a time in the early 90s when emulators like mame didn't support sound on their neo geo games lol.

[@moorebounce]

I didn't know anybody who played games other than the fighting games from NEO GEO. I don't remember seeing the CDZ load screens so I clearly never rented a CDZ.

[@stevesteve0521]

As someone who owned the neo geo cd for years and played the heck out of it, when i finally did get a cdz I noticed the massively quicker load times difference right away. In my opinion if you’re going to own a neo geo cd, it’s the only version to get if not then stick with emulation

[@rDanny]

Too many consoles came out at this time and we had the back end of micro computers in the UK as well as pc cd rom taking off it was AWESOME, Spoilt for choice

[@Adamtendo_player_1]

Damn the CD Z is a huge improvement over the original Neo Geo CD in loading times.

[@projectmayhem6898]

Thanks!

[@SegaLordX]

Thank you my friend.

[@TheOldest]

Proud MAME adopter since the 90's for this very reason.

[@cax1175]

I got a CDZ a few weeks ago, in preparation for going back to Japan this summer, to find more CD games. Though I wanna get a few cheaper AES games too.

[@slickshoesfan19]

Excellent!

[@mtshark7]

I have the original top loader. After watching this video I'd love to get a cdz to see the notable difference myself. One thing I've heard about with the cdz is that it overheats rather quickly. I'd imagine a fan mod would need to be in order for longer play sessions.

[@gnginquisitor]

my CDZ was softmodded by the previous owner... he drilled some holes in the back of it and put feet under the console

[@cgrooney9945]

You make great content. I really enjoy your videos. I never owned a Sega growing up so these fill me in on what I missed out on.

[@SegaLordX]

Much appreciated! Thanks for watching.

[@anthonymiceli3728]

You missed out on some wonderful memories. Things were so new,and exciting. Our imaginations ran wild.

[@fredskull1618]

I prefer to not relive the slow agony of yesteryears with some fighting games’ glacial load times. The “good old days” of endless waiting.

[@BasementBrothers]

So what have we learned from all this? Games that load frequently are a problem no matter which Neo Geo CD system you play them on. The CDZ has a 2X drive so it can be slightly more tolerable at times. By the way, the in-game "load times" mentioned for Sengoku 2 is the drive seeking the music tracks, which is also somewhat faster on the CDZ.

[@SomeOrangeCat]

I really just sat through a ton of load screens. LOL!

[@ProducerX21]

Man… I don’t have enough patients to even resist fast forwarding through this video Those fighting sprites are amazing though

[@miagee2]

i'll take any retro loading screen times vs current updates time

[@videotape2959]

Ugh, games should never have updates. Nasty revisionist s***...

[@Gary_Hun]

2 times faster, done... how on Earth did this make any sense?.. :D The fact that the loading screens are coming from the BIOS of the machine being used instead of each game was way more interesting. For the half minute till i realized there won't be any further game by game variation due to this.

[@buhshmuh]

I think double the speed of the regular NeoGeo cd right? Idk it's been almost 30 years now I can't remember lol but I believe the cdz had a 2x speed drive and the regular NeoGeo cd had 1x speed

[@resist4184]

Apparently larger buffers than double speed

[@PSPMan]

Apparently I don't know what any of the Neo Geo home consoles are called. This channel is how I learned about the CD in the first place, now you're telling me there's another one?

[@SegaLordX]

Same system, just upgraded to load faster.

[@joesshows6793]

11:55 OH MY GOD DUDE!!!! How long was that load??????

[@Waifu4Life]

What's even faster now on the MiSTer FPGA, 4X the speed!!

[@chrism2027]

I used to have 1 Neo Geo CD 1 Top Looder, with some games and the loading times were really terrible, but the quality of the games was so space shooter, fight games. Could really be seen. For various reasons I was forced to part with some systems and sometimes I regret selling my system and games. But for fans, if you own a Switsch, then check it out. in the E shop, I just bought a few titles, sometimes they also have games on offer that are 50% cheaper and gems like Last Blade 1 and 2, Blasing Star or the Neo Geo Fight Games are very playable, even for On the way, which I think is super nice.

[@worst.username._ever]

I'd be interested to see what you think of the 4X loading times on the Mister core

[@fonsie3029]

I can tell you that its very good and fast

[@ViegasSilva]

Stock Dreamcast (12x speed drive) with the NEO4ALL emulator bootdisc. That is all.

[@DarkZenith]

Did anyone make an ODE for the NeoCD or the CDZ? I wonder how that compares

[@adventuretaco7140]

OMG HE SHOWED THE MISTER AT THE END!! MISTER 4 LIFE!

[@cruzin1383]

Sega lord X we need to get you on a mister FPGA it's so amazing and you have 4x loading with near hardware 1:1 play. It's much better than emulation for the older systems. Don't get me wrong I love emulation as well and it has its place but the mister is super accurate. I think you should start introducing mister FPGA videos vs original hardware of your own

[@PaceyPimp]

I had the front loader i never had that much issues but i did hate that they could have gone with a 20x or 52x but some how found a 1x somewhere in the world and at the price they had it was wrong

[@nickparsons337]

I'll take my Neo Geo games emulated on MAME or PS2 compilations.

[@nickparsons337]

@@teamdoa If you have the disposable income to provide the benefit of playing on original hardware; more power to you. I, myself cannot. (As most other people cannot.)

[@Jerome-C]

We're in 2024 and now the best way to play on NeoGeo CD is with a SDkit on it... more than 2 times faster of NeoCDz, a Cheat Menu and the pleasure to play homebrew as well ... And the best of all that ? it's avaliable on the classic Top Load NeoGeo CD ! yes it's insane, but even myself could install this kit in less that 30min ! and you can found it for about 90$ now ... almost everywhere ! Come on... give a second life to your NeoGeo CD console.

[@johncraw8572]

Awesomeness video please do more thanks 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@josearodas3124]

Another amazing video. Thanks

[@Sauceyjames]

is there a way to upgrade cd drives on old game systems? Because I would see that would help the read times on the systems.

[@DrBananananananananananananana]

This video must be some sick joke 17 mins of looking at loading screens.

[@wmv8996]

I had no idea there was a cd system for neo geo.

[@mukiex4413]

Pimp timing with the new controllers out XD

[@brendanroberts1310]

There not compatible with neo geo hardware apart from the mini so would need a work around ie adapter or something.😢

[@BHGMediaGroup]

the problem with the CDZ is it added non additional ram, it was just a faster drive, this drive should have been what was in the original top loader and the CDZ should have had extended memory, but back then a faster cd drive was cheaper than extra memory. Without extra memory, the 3 v 3 fighters and others still load exactly the same, just faster because of the drive.

[@gumdeo]

CDZ crushed it, shame it wasn't released over here.

[@DanceBruce]

Great video.

[@aquamich129]

I had a neo cd Z back in time. After my AES. I could tolerate the loading because we also had on PS1 but KOFs erie was impossible to play on it. I never tried last blade on it (only AES) but now I understand why it's a nightmare! I think the bets way to play neo geo is a dreamcast. or a mini today with the arcade stick

[@dragoneater6771]

The thing about the NeoGeo or basically SNK, is it’s truly difficult to find a crappy game. Even badly reviewed games have something to offer that makes them addictive

[@VOAN]

While that's kinda true, NeoGeo never embracing enough third party means its library also suffer from a lack of variety. Other features the NeoGeo family of consoles and arcade also lacks are more multiplayer titles. Pretty much all the NeoGeo titles could offered are just 2-Players at most whereas weaker consoles like the NES, Sega Genesis, and Super NES even had games that support up to 5-Players simultaneously. When the N64 and 32-Bit consoles launch and embrace 4-Players simultaneous play, the NeoGeo by then started to feel like old news. It's surprising since NeoGeo had nothing else to offer but its high end 2D graphics.

[@HugoBonami]

The NGCD is still worth it for $500, the CDZ is a better option.

[@JPWestmas]

Heh, never heard of this console version. I thought it stopped at the NeoGeo CD.

[@maniacsatwork]

Thankfully with the SD Loader ODE, loading issues have been completely eliminated.

[@Stinger420]

Huh....in all my 44 years, I've never heard of the CDZ.

[@ncapone87]

Is that a riff on Roundabout by Yes at 8:23?

[@Planag7]

I enjoy these comparisons. Honestly the issue was jumping the gun during the generation. It's all good though, though i wish we had things like the RAM cart on the Japanese Saturn. Oh well. Now we load them up on SSDs!

[@josephcieplak8920]

Thank you

[@SegaLordX]

You're welcome.

[@PnC_GameZnThingZ]

The CDZ was my first Neo console. The loading wasn't my biffest issue with the CD systems, it was the Library. (How could they have King of the Monster 2 but not 1?!) I have an MVS system now and I'm much happier. Even the AES was missing arcade titles. I do miss some of the CD remixed music though

[@VOAN]

Yeap but at the same time the NeoGeo CD does had a few games that NeoGeo AES and MVS doesn't had such as Samurai Shodown RPG.

[@Frogdoddofficial]

Ive never even met a person that owned a neogeo console. The games are amazing though.

[@DontKnowDontCare6.9]

Imagine if a certain company didn't patent playing games during loading screens.. The NGCD couldve been a contender and probably didn't need to have a CDZ.

[@DaigoKengo]

Get a Dreamcast and the latest version of Neo4All and your Neo Geo CD games would load extremely faster than the OG consoles.

[@BCjeffro420]

Nice!

[@ianwood6438]

Absolutely love Neo geo the one console I regret getting rid of now was my AES I only had Art of fighting 2 games where just far too expensive back then, but looking back now Dan I wish I boxed it up and put into storage

[@barryschalkwijk9388]

even the suppesed older simpeler games still took close to a mintue at times. that's rough yo. If only they released the original model with a 2 speed drive...I would have bought one. I always like the controller a lot. Never been a stick guy.

[@TanookiSuit]

What about if you use one of those SD card optical bypass mods? Then it's basically like using the MVS/AES with boosted audio and perks depending on the title right? I think I know someone selling a CDZ and I'd take that over some dumpy android core solution for use on a TV at least.

[@SegaLordX]

ODE's are certainly a cool feature, but you have to remember that many of the Neo Geo's best games weren't released on the CD. If you are looking for the best Neo Geo experience, the MVS is where your money should go.

[@adventuretaco7140]

The MISTer core has 4X loading speed!!