Self-sufficient Mars civilization in case of Nuclear War | Adam Frank and Lex Fridman

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[@jffryh]

I absolutely agree. If people have to rush in the near future to Mars to escape extinction on earth, the colony on Mars will not last long

[@Doug-rv3nr]

China and Iran don’t have the capability to make a mars base

[@jffryh]

@Doug-rv3nr yeah, nobody has this capability, period.

[@Doug-rv3nr]

@@jffryh Incorrect

[@samrc8350]

The people who have the foresight and means to escape nuclear war to another planet are probably the same people that had a hand in starting it…

[@trevorminniefield3568]

Beautifully said. A bus pass isn't free but they gonna take me to mars. Stop being Democrat or Republican. Be a loving human

[@archmage_of_the_aether]

something something Werner von Braun

[@davidwelty9763]

I think a post apocalyptic Earth would still be more hospitable to humans than Mars.

[@richstafford1245]

If you had the technology to terraform Mars why not just fix earth?

[@johnsonlewis293]

Same reason you don’t put all your eggs in one basket

[@iluminado.3491]

The leaders, the USA, want us to become a multiplanetary species, but humans are resistant to change, so a tragedy has to happen for us to change our mindset about staying on this Earth. They are creating that war; they won't solve anything. Just try to survive.

[@StellarInsightsAI]

Id say because we have a lot of unhinged countries that don’t care about progression and still just care about land. There’s no changing their minds. Just leaving them behind sounds best to me and for our the future.

[@karimbennett5651]

It would be much easier to build impenetrable underground vaults here on Earth for some to survive an extinction level event here. Also, a Martian colony could be nuked by missives fired from orbit.

[@manwiththeredface7821]

How about an O'Neill cylinder in Earth orbit first? Much closer than Mars, can be built from lunar materials, gravity can be adjusted, temperature can be adjusted, can be abandoned in case of emergency, there's no gravity well to spend a fortune worth of fuel to escape from or atmosphere to struggle flying through. O'Neill cylinders and Stanford toruses seem to be the future anyway for the reasons above. Once we get the hang of it they will be so much cheaper.

[@mabusestestament]

Because then that would also simply get nuked.

[@superphi]

How about we try to build a moon base first.

[@ravekiller.]

Already occupied, mate. We got told not to come back a long time ago

[@ta5er]

@@ravekiller. what do you mean

[@iinRez]

Apparently it's less efficient due to the orbital mechanics involved. Look it up, the explanation is above my head.

[@akaman85]

The China led moon base project is expected to be completed for 2035.

[@RednalRednal]

what we should do, is build an entire planet that can also travel across the universe. that way, we can explore AND live there at the same time, that'd be cool. it'll take millions of years to construct probably but it'd be worth it haha

[@DonGiggity]

Merry Christmas, Lex!! ❤the cockroaches will survive at least…probably Horseshoe Crabs too, I guess

[@JacquelineDavis]

Merry Christmas! I ❤ your comment! :)

[@sicknado]

"If we can turn Mars into Earth, then we can turn Earth into Earth." - Neil D. Tyson

[@josephposenecker9741]

The main difference is you could control which humans are on mars. Leave the self destructive ones on earth.

[@sicknado]

@@josephposenecker9741 yea too bad those are the ones in charge/will be the ones who go to mars

[@josephposenecker9741]

@@sicknado No, the destructive ones wouldn’t be capable of getting to Mars.

[@sicknado]

@@josephposenecker9741 billionaires aren't destructive?

[@iinRez]

@@josephposenecker9741 That'll last until the first food theft. Then, like all of civilization ever - anarchy will give way to small Government.

[@sjhaji]

Yeah sir quite specific about Mars civilization and humanity

[@JohnDoe-uk6si]

All things die. All things go extinct.

[@tompava3923]

There are other existential threats that need to be considered other than climate change and nuclear war. Holding back just because of those reasons alone is ridiculous.

[@iinRez]

People seem blissfully unaware of the Chelyabinsk meteor that exploded over Russia in 2013. We're only lucky it was small.

[@tyyo2314]

Do you really think they couldnt send a nuke to mars?

[@iinRez]

It actually the most effective way to start terraforming.

[@billwilson3665]

Didn't Elon say six months?

[@HeshamMohamed-sy2xp]

Only the rich can escape their mistakes

[@trevorminniefield3568]

How many people could go? You can't take the whole population. Stop imagining things for rich people.

[@l.s.451]

Xenon-129

[@iinRez]

This guy clearly is unaware of the ecosystem and infrastructure that Space X already has. "3 centuries", what a joker.

[@victorcaceres9603]

If we can’t solve the hard problems on and of the planet Earth, we have no business screwing up anything else in the universe. Oh, silly me, we already have, it’s called “space junk”!

[@iinRez]

Did you know that Space X lowered the amount of space trash going up exponentially with their re-usable rocket design and Starlink satellites are deployed low enough to de-orbit themselves when communication is lost so they don't become debris? Space Exploration leads to innovation that benefits Earth greatly. The healthcare innovations that have come because of the ISS program alone are proof.

[@ephemeralvapor8064]

Long term being a multiplanetary species is a good idea, but our technological, ecological and cooperative know how right now is quite short of seeing that goal for at least several more generations. Musk is bleeding edge, he'll probably inspire a dozen others from the gen z and alpha to advance the idea quite a bit further and they a dozen each and so on...

[@mikewallace7152]

Mars is a stupid dream.

[@iinRez]

In 2013 if the meteor was a little bigger and traveled a little bit faster we wouldn't be alive right now. _"The object exploded in a meteor air burst over Chelyabinsk. . .confirmed to have resulted in injuries."_ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelyabinsk_meteor

[@nicstevens6499]

Centuries... Maybe more like thousands of years? Whatever... I think we better work with what we got here on earth and trying to live on Mars.. Good luck with that.. But keep trying I'd like to see humans on Mars in my lifetime.

[@iinRez]

Ya'll really need to go and see just how well SpaceX is doing. We'll have a self sustaining colony on Mars and the Moon within this century.

[@nicstevens6499]

@@iinRez You're dreaming... We haven't been back to the F'ing moon in 60 years.. you think we will be playing pickle ball on Mars in the next century? What are you smoking. Let's see them get a human on Mars and back safely first before we start getting excited...

[@iinRez]

@@nicstevens6499 Take a look at everything Space X has been up to over the last few years. You might be surprised.

[@pedrole7036]

i love this dude

[@stefengullicksen38]

talk about theoretical...

[@DeeplineStyle]

Cmon y'all... We can't leave this place so what are you two even talking about???

[@BilalAhmad-ff3xq]

Leave the earth? In this economy?!! The fuel costs alone would bankrupt us 😂😂😂

[@DeeplineStyle]

@@BilalAhmad-ff3xq hahaha, I totally forgot about that as well. WTF

[@bigcauc7530]

I mean, we have proven that we can leave this place. It's an engineering problem. That's it.

[@BilalAhmad-ff3xq]

@@bigcauc7530 dare I say it is the lack of political will, following the end of the space race that is the problem. if we can land men with 60s tech on the moon then we can do so today too, just a question of politics... Like everything nowadays 😩

[@CEAZETHEFUTURE]

The problem is not leaving this space it’s occupying a foreign planet which is utterly impossible atp and makes little to no sense

[@ojiisanthewise7260]

This guy is an idiot for discounting the advances AI will make. Before 2040, Super AI will be able to figure out everything this guy can't in order to make self sustaining human habitats anywhere we want. Very disappointed in this guys thinking. Centuries....just ridiculous!

[@iinRez]

He's an idiot just for discounting the capabilities of SpaceX. Not only can they manage the infrastructure and logistics needed but they also have at their disposal all the compute power of Tesla and Grok to solve the problem.