White vinegar? Apple vinegar? Which one stains or ages wood the best? Will it stain pine? Watch and see the results of my test. #patina #vinegar #aging
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@Charley-rz3hl4 жыл бұрын
When making iron acetate like this, you dont want to keep the jar closed, the lid needs to be loose to let gases escape. Also after the waiting period, if you give the jar a few good shakes, it'll help incorporate the iron oxide into the vinegar. Lastly, to really help with the pine, or any other wood with a low tannin count, you can brush on some strong black tea before the iron acetate, it'll increase the tannin count and make it darker
@truthhurts167 Жыл бұрын
Great video! I have watched many of the samples you had in beginning. Something about yours I really liked! More down to earth how I like to imagine I would do. Thanks!
@richardwatson54375 жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing this experiment for our benefit! 👍
@SelfMadeProject5 жыл бұрын
Thanks! But, I really did this for my benefit and just brought you guys along, lol. :)
@matthewdufty6062 жыл бұрын
Great video! Thanks for the test. Really useful 👌
@MikeM-of2if Жыл бұрын
did you hear about the tea trick? I am no expert, but If you soak a few tea bags in a jar.....maybe overnight. Pretreat the wood with that. It will add tannins to the wood and make the reaction stronger. That is what I have found .. Thank you for the video. Best of luck.
@sunpointstudio447211 ай бұрын
In addition to the tea, adding some oak bark together with the tea bags is even better.
@bencox87166 ай бұрын
I used tea and it helped a lot
@taleandclawrock26065 жыл бұрын
Wow! Fantastic charcoal color on walnut and oak!!!
@taleandclawrock26065 жыл бұрын
I love how it showed up the grain on the pine.
@SelfMadeProject5 жыл бұрын
Update, the apple cider did dissolve the steel wool after several more days.
@evelynvictorymatheny90474 жыл бұрын
i had wondered the same (about using apple cider). thanks so very much and have a great day
@omaromar-lg3yu3 жыл бұрын
I was thinking about using the red vineger and here we are ,,,,thankx man.
@waynewalker58534 жыл бұрын
making some as we speak .... thanks for the experiment...
@marijageorgievski71065 жыл бұрын
Love your channel. I like the white vinegar on the pine the best. I am currently trying to use up the materials I have myself for projects. Thank you for all the ideas.
@SelfMadeProject5 жыл бұрын
Me too, pine is what I'm going to use. It is rough sawn, so maybe that helps it soak up the mix. Thanks.
@viqubus4 жыл бұрын
Thanks you so much for making the comparison. I’m highly allergic to corn 🌽 and was hoping apple cider vinegar 🍎 would work as I’m wanting to stain a butcher block countertops. This is so helpful and I really appreciate you taking the time to looking into it and sharing!
@SelfMadeProject4 жыл бұрын
Thanks. It should work for you if it's a hardwood. Guess you could do a little test of your own on the material before you start, good luck!
@maodonimega3 жыл бұрын
This video has been very helpful..thanks! Probably too late...but you can darken the pine considerably by brushing with a solution of tea first. The iron in the vinegar solution reacts with the tannins in the wood to produce the dark stain. Pine has less tannin than the other woods, so the addition of the tannins in the tea helps. Having said that, I like the end result of the pine stain as is. Just about to use this method to stain the new T&G pine floor I just laid in my cabin. Going for that aged look, so will randomly ding and generally distress the wood first to make it look even more aged.
@davidmariopratt Жыл бұрын
Nice work sir. ❤
@woodsmansfinest38144 жыл бұрын
Beat video on the matter out there!
@mattbowie94795 жыл бұрын
Good video. Glad you did this gives me some insight an ideas for future projects thank you kindly sir for doing this video. Earned yourself a new sub look forward to watching more of your content.
@SelfMadeProject5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Matt!
@RumbleFish693 жыл бұрын
Great video! I loved watching the results, but I also enjoyed how this seemed to be an adventure for you. You went in as blind as the viewer with no idea how these would turn out. It was pretty cool watching all that unfold. Great stuff!
@SelfMadeProject3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@RumbleFish693 жыл бұрын
@@SelfMadeProject Thank you!
@justme-xc1ri2 жыл бұрын
If you paint the wood with regular tea first and let dry, the tannins will make pine very dark brown once u paint the steel wool mix on..it’s gorgeous
@hobiecat9019 ай бұрын
A Good Video, Thanks Self.
@SelfMadeProject9 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@roflstomps3244 жыл бұрын
I've used this on some different types of woods. Red cedar is by far the most stunning. All the resins and tannins in that cedar just go crazy with that reaction. The end result is a steel blue with shiny metallic coloring in areas of high resin.
@donaldp9259 Жыл бұрын
A video on Savvy Builds shows him using black tea brushed on the pine first, to add tannins to the wood, then brushing on the vinegar stain. The chemical reaction happens immediately.
@Hiperf2 жыл бұрын
I am only 2:36 minutes in and still watching but had to say I love your curiosity.
@paintbox48 Жыл бұрын
Interesting to hear a second coat will darken further!
@crazyuncleduke80125 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I was considering experimenting with apple cider vs white but this video clearly showed me to stick with white vinegar. :-)
@SelfMadeProject5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it'll work, but not worth it really. I'm about to use this on my big project, got over 2 gals mixed up and ready. Thanks for checking it out.
@dougaungst61634 жыл бұрын
I've found that if you put two heavy coats on pine, let it dry, then sand to desired look. Also, I heated my mixture outside on a camp stove in a water bath to speed up the process of dissolving the steel wool. Thanks for the video. I was also wondering why not apple cider vinegar.
@SelfMadeProject4 жыл бұрын
Good tip. I've been putting 2 coats on my pine and it looks great to me. I'm leaving mine rough sawn too, that might make a difference.
@chrisunderhill88533 жыл бұрын
I am willing to bet your wall has been done for a few years now, but you can use black Tea first on the pine and it will open the tannins up even more and allow the vinegar to really penetrate.
@marytramp56784 жыл бұрын
also the longer you let the vinegar and steel wool mixture sit the more coloring/aging you will attain.
@cavu4me5 жыл бұрын
I have seen a very strong brewed tea brushed onto pine. Let dry and then come back with the vinegar solution. The tea will add tannin to the wood, and it will darken up a bit better for you. Enjoyed the tests.
@SelfMadeProject5 жыл бұрын
I saw that too and was prepared to try that next. But, this rough sawn pine seems to be working pretty good, especially if you put a second application on. I think I'm ok with it.
@SelfMadeProject5 жыл бұрын
@@noeltravis7731 safe from what? Vinegar is a very mild acid, people even drink a tablespoon of it for heath reasons. We dye easter eggs in it and use it to sterilize coffee pots. Seems safe to me.
@roflstomps3244 жыл бұрын
I've done both and honestly. It doesn't make a lick of difference. I've brewed a box of black tea (72 bags) in a gallon mason jar and applied it. It looks just about the same as the non-tea version.
@rhihodag98734 жыл бұрын
You can also purchase (on eBay) 'tanic acid' powder. Dilute it in water and pre-treat the wood prior to using the steel wool-vinegar solution. Marked difference in the final results.
@SelfMadeProject4 жыл бұрын
Cool, thanks for that info. Hadn't heard of that, but makes sense.
@geneclifford86625 жыл бұрын
Hey there Anthony. Great little video. I'm with you , the white vinegar does make the wood a little darker for sure. Use anything except that bottle of Jim Bean thats on the shelf behind you.. ha ha.
@SelfMadeProject5 жыл бұрын
Ha! Might get expensive if you used that distilled corn!
@andisandhofer84812 жыл бұрын
If you want to get your soup in one in a houre ore two, you have to force the start of the oxi in the steel wool, because the vinegar react with oxidized metal. take a pice of wool, a fireresistent bowl an a 9v accu! Just enjoy you little firework and your vinegar have instant the type of Ferrum he need. It works instant, smoot and the soup is often darker
@memagranola5 жыл бұрын
Very informative. Thanks
@SelfMadeProject5 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@gregwallin2078 ай бұрын
It works best on rough sawn wood.
@nobackhands2 жыл бұрын
I called White House Vinegar: Basically, they are the same. Yellow vinegar is brown because of the micro bits of apple that have not been filtered out. White vinegar is better filtered
@ranger94164 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this video. FYI...Jim Beam’s Distillery is just down I-65 from me!
@SelfMadeProject4 жыл бұрын
Cool! It seems like I heard there was a big fire there recently?
@johnmitchell16143 жыл бұрын
Hi Self Made. Isn't it weird that the white vinegar dissolved the wire wool, but the apple cider didn't. Good video. Best regards.
@jayrist3913 Жыл бұрын
In the video the white vinegar side of the pine looks more grey and the apple side looks more yellow?
@soledude Жыл бұрын
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@DannyStroup5 жыл бұрын
Maybe you've figured this out by now, but you're not supposed to put the tops on the mason jars. The reaction takes place when oxygen mixes for 3 days with the vinegar and steel wool. By placing the tops on, you stopped the process from happening by starving the oxygen.
@SelfMadeProject5 жыл бұрын
Tops were just sitting loose while brewing for first couple days. Then I left tops off 2 or 3 days, the reaction seemed about the same to me. Maybe it was just too cold. I'm going to mix up 2 gallons next and its warmer now.
@roflstomps3244 жыл бұрын
@@SelfMadeProject Meh, I boiled my vinegar and left the caps off the whole time. Your results are near exactly what mine were. I don't think it is an exact science as some would think.
@watermain485 жыл бұрын
I don't know if it will make a difference, but cleaning grade white vinegar has a much higher percentage of acidity than the cooking kind.
@hermananilda38357 ай бұрын
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@florenceor.90023 жыл бұрын
Hello ! I watch with interest this video, wondering if this is a good way to make the wood change color to an even gray in order keep it stable afterwards ? I would not like the wood to become too dak, like on some old house... Is that possible ?
@SelfMadeProject3 жыл бұрын
I really don't know, maybe someone else will comment. All I can think of is change the ratio of the mix, maybe put less steel in there.
@methical__4 жыл бұрын
Haha, love the zoom on the bottle... however would liked to see a second coat.
@SelfMadeProject4 жыл бұрын
I did 2nd coat after I made this video. It did darken a little more. I wish KZbin would let us post pics in the comments.
@temsbab15654 жыл бұрын
Wu tang clan aint nutin to fuck with
@evaderknives5 жыл бұрын
Perfect timing... waiting for the oven to get up to heat... doing the Real knifemakers Knife... I like your pattern.... I thought this was for etching, haha I know ferric is basically just muriatic with steel wool and hydrogen peroxide
@SelfMadeProject5 жыл бұрын
I might try using this to darken knife scales one of these days. I can't wait til the build off is over to see what everyone comes up with. Good luck.
@evaderknives5 жыл бұрын
@@SelfMadeProject Yeah should be interesting... Are you in this one too? if so wishing you luck too
@SelfMadeProject5 жыл бұрын
@@evaderknives no, sat this one out. Trying to help John a little behind the scenes.
@evaderknives5 жыл бұрын
@@SelfMadeProject Haha, alright that betters my odds... just kidding
@crosisofborg55244 жыл бұрын
I tried this and let the steel wool steep in the vinegar for 32 hours and it barely tinted red oak.
@edaaa926 Жыл бұрын
Would it be safe to use for stainin rifle stock, will rifle rust or something when i assemble it?
@SelfMadeProject Жыл бұрын
Can't say for sure, but I think it would be ok. You could rinse the wood off with some TSP or baking soda and water to be sure to kill any remaining acid if you were concerned about it. Good question, something to think about.
@MAD_DOG-MUDHOUND3 жыл бұрын
For making this solution leave the lids off, after 3-5 days dilute 1:1 with water
@robertcornelius3514 Жыл бұрын
I would leave the lids on but only have a loose fit.
@brandiisbell7746 Жыл бұрын
How do you think I can get the grayest color on treated pine
@SelfMadeProject Жыл бұрын
A few people have suggested wetting down the wood with tea first, let it dry, then use vinegar. I haven't tried that myself. I did get a darker color by applying a second coat of vinegar after the first dried. Pine just doesn't have the same reaction as hardwoods, so there's limit to how dark it will get. In the end, I was happy with my pine using the two coats.
@craignash47365 жыл бұрын
Hey. How important is the wool in this project ? Thanks good video. Craig. Pa. Guy
@SelfMadeProject5 жыл бұрын
Well, from what I've read, vinegar is acetic acid and when iron is dissolved in it you get iron acetate. That iron acetate then reacts with the tannins in the wood. Vinegar by itself won't work, and I think about any source of iron will probably work. The steel wool just has tons of surface area, so the reaction occurs faster.
@pennylynns5 жыл бұрын
Self Made Project FINE steel wool is best ie 0000 should say on bag/bag. I got mine at Walmart. First rinse steel wool because of factory oil and squeeze excess wAter. Also, SNIP steel into tiny pieces for faster deterioration.
@timmoteus11 күн бұрын
Have you checked out what's down those wormholes?
@maziamini9604 Жыл бұрын
I unintentionally made my gun stock black, is there any way to remove this stain that resulted from vinegar and steel wool ? Thanks
@luisapaza3173 ай бұрын
Maybe not
@maziamini96043 ай бұрын
@@luisapaza317 I used bar keepers friend and went back.
@georgek12743 жыл бұрын
Something I have not seen addressed, what is the odor like, if anything after it dries? I don’t think I want a house smelling like vinegar!
@jasonbrockman5622 жыл бұрын
No smell afterwards
@jds35455 жыл бұрын
What happened to the mini mill cnc conversion?
@SelfMadeProject5 жыл бұрын
It's still on the back burner. I just haven't had time to get back on it. I'm still working on finishing my shop mainly. But, I also make knives, do shirt printing, sawmilling, etc. which all makes money. Sometimes it's hard to take time away from those for tinkering.
@jds35455 жыл бұрын
@@SelfMadeProject I hear ya, i know how that goes. I just stumbled across the videos and got sucked into watching them. Good job with all that you do!
@SelfMadeProject5 жыл бұрын
@@jds3545 one of these days I'll get caught up and finish it up. Hang in there.
@ColeAviation Жыл бұрын
Hello sir! I just came across your video here and saw where you had my red neck video there at the beginning where I did my water mill at my Koi Pond. 🤣🤙🏼 Cool! If you let it set for exactly two weeks one coat SHOULD work the first time. Thanks for throwing that out there. 🤣👊🏼
@SelfMadeProject Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Your video was one of the ones I watched while trying to decide which vinegar to use. Good video by the way! Hope you don't mind me using that clip.
@ColeAviation Жыл бұрын
@@SelfMadeProject Absolutely brother. Don’t mind at all. Thanks!
@adelesamuelson9757 Жыл бұрын
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@donepearce5 жыл бұрын
The big question for me is this: How long does it take for the smell to go away? That's kind of important if you are going to use this in the house.
@SelfMadeProject5 жыл бұрын
The white vinegar boards never really smelled much to me. The apple was noticeable when applying it, but I once dry I didn't notice it anymore. Of course, that's in my shop too, not the house, lol.
@wolf-ls7jx4 жыл бұрын
I'm doing a ceiling this way and once it dries you don't smell it. I used tea on them first to add tannins to the pine. After the vinegar it stains to a dark reddish brown. Try adding tea afterwards and it looks like old barn wood. I waxed it afterwards to add some shine to it so it wouldn't smell anyways.
@randy9573 Жыл бұрын
Does the mixture have to be in glass containers or could I use a plastic pale. I need to do a fresh pine barn board door. 7’ X 7’.
@SelfMadeProject Жыл бұрын
Shouldn't matter, it might smell up the room with that vinegar smell, lol. Just don't put in a sealed container, there is a little gas that builds up in there. Not much, but be on the safe side.
@jayrist3913 Жыл бұрын
In the video the white vinegar side of the pine looks more grey and the apple side looks more yellow?
@SelfMadeProject Жыл бұрын
Maybe. I think the apple just left more of the natural yellow of the pine show through. Just not as much of a reaction I think.