SOS Bros React - Delicious in Dungeon Episode 17 - Harpy/Chimera

[@luisjauregui2197]

Probably one of the funniest bits about the extra content in the manga is the fact that Laios met Shuro absolutely randomly, he walked into the bar looking for someone to join his party, saw that Shuro was a foreigner and immediately began to bombard him with questions and just talked for hours. Normally anyone would have told Laios to stop, but Shuro being so restrained gave Laios the illusion that he accepted him. He was so convinced that in his mind Shuro had already agreed and the next day he just grabbed him and introduce him to the group, and the rest is history

[@conejitorosada2326]

Man is so high on the spectrum that he has an entire section of it and you won't even think that Falin is most likely at the same level

[@Raequorum]

Also, didn't he mess up Shuro's name?

[@luisjauregui2197]

​@@Raequorum Yep, he did. Shuro tried to correct him, but Laios didn't get it, so he just gave up and let everyone keep calling him that.

[@Raequorum]

@@luisjauregui2197 RIP Toshiro, long live Shuro

[@conejitorosada2326]

@@Raequorum Laios was just so excited on talking to him that he misheard his name as "Shuro" instead of "Toshiro" LMAO That's why Shuro's companions got confused at first. Shuro didn't correct him out of politeness until the next day where Laios introduced him as "Shuro" which at that point was too late to back out now and correct it.

[@DillTheGamer1]

Neat little detail, when Shuro's retainer Maizuru (person who raised him) is revived, she doesn't have her makeup on like before because of how the resurrection works. It's just little cool stuff like that I feel like this series really excels at making the world feel more real

[@museofsalzburg2373]

Oh wow, didn't notice that even though I've rewatched this episode like 3 times, that's super cool attention to detail.

[@toratora824]

@@museofsalzburg2373 Since the author of ``Delicious in Dungeon'' is a woman, I think the depiction of women's makeup is done with care.

[@Ignotus519]

Dungeon Meshi is like "Please watch me, i am a normal light-hearted cooking anime"

[@chaircheck2424]

"I am a normal light-hearted cooking anime and I can be trusted with your heartstrings."

[@ryeki1552]

*DEAFENINGLY LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER*

[@Zeliek]

Senshi in this episode must have the best background joke ever. It's like having a dnd group with too many PCs and you were left at "I'm serving food to the new people" the whole time!!! He is there holding that tray for like 17 minutes!!!

[@rosenrot234]

He's just "This meal was made with love so I will protect it"

[@Ash_Yu]

What I find interesting is that Falin doesn't attack her own party. When Marcille calls out to her she hops down with a smiling on her face like she's happy to be reunited. When Laios approaches her she calls out his name. All of her violence, was retaliatory. The ninjas probably attacked her on sight like the harpies, and after she landed she didn't attack until she was attacked first.

[@kravicle]

whoa, I never noticed that before!!

[@falsnamae3511]

To add onto this, watch her reactions when she encounters the water spirit and even the kobold. She's just curious, they're new and interesting to her. It's only once they injure her that she's just like "alright, dead now".

[@ma.2089]

That’s very interesting. I think that the fact we don’t see how the first death happens helps to push this idea too. We don’t know who attacked first, but the second she responded with such violence of they immediately treated her like a huge threat. It seems similar to what’s going on in the orcs vs humans/elf storyline. Tho I will disagree about how she didn’t attack until after she was attacked after landing. She literally crushed Maizuru under her heel. It’s highly possible she did act in self defense, but we never saw who landed the first hit for a reason. Theres a consistent theme of racism in this story, judging ppl by their race and in some cases judging ppl by neurotypical standards, like Laios’ autism and Kabru’s obvious masking.

[@ma.2089]

Also, I should mention Laios calls out to her and her dragon eyes disappear. When Kabru attacks, she explicitly kills only him and not Laios. Not saying Kabru is in the wrong, as he literally says that the reason why he’s fighting is cuz Falin is killing ppl. But it’s def interesting that she doesn’t act violently unless explicitly attacked. And the only reason they start attacking her is cuz she brutally murdered someone Who started it is unknown, EXACTLY like the orcs. Damn this story is good.

[@Ash_Yu]

@@ma.2089 There is some intentional ambiguity for sure, but I have to imagine the ninjas would attack a monster like Falin on sight. Just like they would any other monster. Maizuru was caught on the rooftop, implying she was part of the harpy attack team Falin was already finishing off. What I meant before was, Falin didn't attack anyone that wasn't from the harpy team until she was attacked first. (And its very possible the harpy team had attacked her first.)

[@dc-mz5xr]

Kabru was great this episode. He was the only leader who was focused on the task at hand when Laios and Shuro were still hesitating to harm Falin while she was on a killing spree. He dealt enough damage to Falin to force her retreat and he knew to revive Maizuru first to aid in healing and resurrection.

[@sarafontanini7051]

granted he was trying to KILL HER, but he's just SO inept with monsters he focused on only heer human bits and assumed that'd be enough. Basically he was lucky that the dmaage he did was enough to make falin flee and NOT murder everyone.

[@rattled6732]

@@sarafontanini7051what else was he gonna do? Stabbing her human in like all the vital spots was the best bet he had

[@psychronia]

Laios: Shuro, my best buddy. My pal. My goodest friend. Toshiro (not even named Shuro): This absolute fucking donkey. Unfortunately, not only is Toshiro from a Japan-esque high-context society, but he's from the ruling class within that society which holds stoicism as a virtue. He couldn't help it any more than Laios can help being who he is. It took an emotional breaking point for these two to slug it out like kids and get it all out in the open. Meanwhile, Senshi is just vibing protecting that plate of food.

[@petraleong]

true it's telling that Shuro was never "allowed" to act blunt by Maizuru's responds to the fight of "it seems I didn't raise him right" such outburst of emotions were unacceptable for him.

[@Girder3]

Kudos for delving into Kabru's blink and you'll miss backstory this episode.

[@anti-mate407]

i genuinely feel like neither were in the wrong, shuro was raised that way, laios was born and also kinda raised that way. also call me a furry but falin looked so adorable in chimera form

[@pugmasterben]

Dude Chimera Falin is so cute and awesome beautiful even I wouldn't mind if she crushed me

[@gh-ps5es]

I love how Chilchuk asks Marcille about the evidence left behind; what's he gonna do? "Did you perform black magic?" "Can you PROVE it? Otherwise it's slander!"

[@petraleong]

Chilchuk will represend Marcille in court

[@AlmostOtaku7]

I always read Toshiro as also neurodivergent, but from a home where he had to learn social cues in order to survive, and now is flabbergasted that anyone can't understand them because he worked SO HARD on it and sees it as a law of existing. Cultural and personal differences. That could be wrong, but I see some of my own experiences in these groups of characters.

[@Girder3]

35:20 - Yeah, Falin didn't really explain much about her brother to anyone really. In all their time in school, the only thing that Marcille learned from Falin about her brother was that he had a good dog impression.

[@tianna3024]

Falin is also... kinda odd too. We haven't seen a lot from her yet but she seems very similar to Laios, as far as we've been shown. I'm not sure she'd even think of "warning" other people about him when she has her own quirks.

[@yamigoya8291]

She also told Marcille that Laios is basically her male version. Either way, Falin is shown to think highly of Laios, she doesn't think there's anything wrong with him. Falin is just as weird as him, but she's quieter about it

[@NaritaZaraki]

Yeah but I believe they're referencing that moment Laois has in the ep. the party deals with the spirits armed with Holy Water Sherbet. He says something (don't exactly remember what right now) that the party takes the wrong way (even Senshi) and we see him think to himself that he wishes Falin was there in that moment because she usually ran interference when this kind of misunderstanding happened to him. So, their assumption/reading isn't really unfounded.

[@archiwistykaumk5182]

​@@NaritaZarakiThe way I read it was that he wasn't going to start explaining it, but was asking, "What do you mean, my brother talks well?" It's harder to accuse a group of weirdos of being weird.

[@standingbylife]

Yeah, Falin is autistic like Laios. Difference is Falin had Marcille, so she learned to socialize a bit better than Laios.

[@palecat5005]

Imagine this: The brother of a girl you like creates a zombie or a Frankenstein's monster out of her corpse, and says, "This was the only way." And yet, from his attitude, you can tell he thinks it's cool that she turned out like that.

[@warrust]

Ed...ward?

[@leobriccocola8141]

@@warrust No, this is Patrick.

[@BeyondTrash-xe1vs]

He doesn't really think it's cool she turned out like that though, I think the voice performance makes this really obvious. He sounds so sad to say it. For reference I watched the dub, so maybe the sub had a different direction, but to me it struck me as Laios focusing on these superficial, "fun" traits to avoid the horrible truth in front of him. Not to say he has no awe of her monstrous form, he wouldn't be Laios otherwise and we see this with the post battle conversation with Kabru, but I don't think portraying it as simply as him thinking it was cool is accurate.

[@palecat5005]

@@BeyondTrash-xe1vs He is clearly excited, as he says, "Wings, feathers, and scales are too greedy." Senshi next to him looks at him suspiciously, so he couldn't hide his attitude. As a result, this is the reason why Shuro suspects that "Laios is not serious about rescuing Falin, and does not understand the seriousness of the situation," and it is only natural that he would be suspicious. This is the same problem as when he made a statement that could be interpreted as "I'm glad Falin was eaten by the dragon." Of course, Laios is shocked and saddened that Falin has become like that, but at the same time, he is undoubtedly envious and excited, and that is his true feelings. If he cannot hide this, it is only natural that he would be criticized for it.

[@Cykeys]

Kabru showing off the fact he multi-classed into Rogue

[@warrust]

He specifically stripped off to ensure lighter load before going for the stabby stab

[@rattled6732]

This episode has the best deconstruction of what it feels like to be Autistic in any media I’ve ever seen. Shuros and Laios’s fight hits close to home for me

[@鎌田麻里]

Although it doesn't seem to be reflected in the English subtitles, but for me personally, the best scene is when Laios says to Shuro during the fight, "You're not even trying half as hard as Marcille.''

[@Meanwhile-]

I love Inutade. I can't get over how much I love Inutade.

[@skumpo]

This was, bar none, my favorite episode of animation in the last few years. Just incredible

[@fueguro]

I loved this reaction! You guys picked up on a lot I was hoping you guys did! For the whole Laois and Shiro fight it’s a very interesting social dynamic especially with how you guys bring up how Japanese people often don’t flat out say things which is exactly what the creator was going for! Laois is an obviously neurodivergent dude and all of his issues are valid, he was never told that he was annoying he was simply excited to interact with another person his age and also make a friend! While Shuro also has valid issues with Laois being pushy and not understanding him because of their cultural differences! I think the way the Eastarn people behave is very interesting in this series because it’s very much made clear that they are completely disconnected from the island this story takes place on (hence Shuro telling Laois he can flee to the east if they need to)!

[@AlmostOtaku7]

Toshiro is also very likely autistic, but was in a place where he was forced to mask and was never recognized. He put in so much work into being perfect that Laios pisses him off even more. It's something that happens in the autistic community, sadly...

[@Chris-hs7vx]

While Falin shares a lot of similarities with Laios, she is aware of social cues and better at interacting with people. She is just weird enough that people would describe her as a bit quirky. Laios on the other hand can be oblivious to the point of being offensive, as demonstrated in the holy ice cream episode when he said something like "wow we wouldnt be able to have this tasty food if Falin was not eaten" that even Senshi went wtf bruh. So I don't find it strange that Shuro fell in love with Falin but has a lot of reservations about Laios. Laios and Shuro are just two good hearted people with some misunderstandings. And Kabru even has the protagonist's tragic back story, in another world, he would be the main character lol but here in this story, as an actual sensible person, he is suffering lol

[@sarafontanini7051]

pluslike people really do treat people different if they're attracted to their gender or not

[@bluewolf6323]

And unfortunately, Falin has pretty privilege so although she acts just like just brother, because she's pretty, everyone thinks she's quirky and fascinating while Laios is seen as the weird one. I think of the difference between a compliment and sexual harassment meme...

[@Yoromeki_kuzure]

Okay so as a Japanese person on the spectrum I'm like basically surrounded by hundreds of Toshiros every single day of my life (I've got a quite a few fellow neurodivergent comrades along the way though) and that Laios not getting the clue scene couldn't have been more mood. This is like 10th time I've watched it this glorious fistfight unfold with lots of other reaction guys but this time I noticed how I appreciate Maizuru more as up until this point her characterisation was a bossy lady who dotes on her young master to an annoying degree but actually she's got a really mature side to her as well, not overreacting to the two's messy argument with fists and reflecting on her not having been a perfect caregiver to Toshiro.

[@highlycalm]

I like how the fight between Toshiro and Laios can be interpreted as the clash of an autistic person with a person who comes from a culture of subtleties and reading the room

[@Girder3]

Note that Maizuru also said that Toshiro grew up as rather withdrawn (possibly with his own form of neurodivergence, its not clear), it kind of hints that he adapted and acculturated overtime. Which would give it another dimension of someone who never developed proper social skills vs. someone who was forced by his circumstances to learn.

[@DWargs]

Personally, I don't like how fans continuously brings up X character potentially being autistic/neurodivergent. Like, just let the guy be an eccentric oddball. I can say this as a person who has ADHD and dyspraxia: I don't need characters to have a medical diagnosis in order to connect with them. /Rant

[@robinhoodproductions5102]

I like to headcanon Toshiro as autistic as well, just on the very introverted end of it

[@conejitorosada2326]

​@@DWargsGood for you? I don't see why you'd need to rant about it especially in a comment just discussing that Shuro could have Neurodivergency. You're just being a pooper in someone else's joy

[@DWargs]

​@@conejitorosada2326just stating my personal opinion on the subject. That's all. No need to get hostile. I can see how people would feel that it enriches characters to give them a diagnosis, but in my opinion, it can sometimes just put those characters in a box. People don't fit in neat little boxes, no matter how much we try to fit them in.

[@standingbylife]

There's actually a lot of nuance to Toshiro that's explained in bonus chapters of the manga. He was essentially raised by Maizuru, who's his father's mistress. It was an open secret. When he found out about it, he keeps his distance from her. She also effectively TRAUMATIZED him with an illusion. (You'll see later on.) Toshiro and his brothers grew up in their father's shadow, Toshitsugu. (Which is hypocritical since their father is scruffy, a careless drinker and prone to make mistake, but charismatic.) His father sent all three of his sons, because he viewed them all stubborn and didn't want a dull man to be the next head, on a journey to find "something interesting" in order to inherit the family. Growing up, Toshiro loved bugs, but that would scare off any friends, girls especially. So in short, Toshiro grew up lonely, reserved, and to be polite. Hence why he couldn't stand Laios and envies him. Also he never DIRECTLY told Laios off. (Also didn't help Laios's autistic tendencies wouldn't be able to see that.) It's also why he fell in love with Falin. When he saw her with that caterpillar, he projected that HE was that bug. If Falin could admire such a small and pathetic creature, why not feel the same for him? However he did NOTHING to court her, feeling safe and secure because of that one moment.(🙄) Also funny detail.: Mickbell (the half-foot in Kabru's party) was going on about how awful Chilchuck was. Yet here they were talking crap about others like the little haters they are!😆 You're right about Kabru. He is a people-pleaser. It's how he survives. Don't worry about Asebi, she'll be around…

[@sirbig8292]

29:30 I love that your realized that it's the two people who might be into her. Good going!

[@elodie2237]

A spell casting chimera is scary

[@Miner49er201]

Ah, if it isn't the consequences of their actions. Four people could bring down the red dragon, but this Chimera brought down three united parties. Even with their good intentions, they created something worse through the unnatural denial of death in the dungeon.

[@Flamme-Sanabi]

@@Miner49er201 arguably, they could have won with a proper plan.

[@lysfranc8782]

The fight between Shuro and Laios is deeply meaningful for Laios’s English VA. Since he’s on the spectrum he said he felt a lot like that. He gave this scene a lot of emotions…

[@BlastYoBoots]

I had no idea Laios's English VA was also on the spectrum, that's *fantastic* for a show already steeped in such great representation in this episode's scenes especially!

[@BeyondTrash-xe1vs]

Dude I watched the show in dub, and Laios's VA is INCREDIBLE! He absolutely did a phenomenonal job with this scene as you mentioned, it was so cathartic! I also want to point out another minor scene earlier in the episode that was great too. When Laios first sees Falin's new form and remarks on how "cool yet greedy" it is, his voice had this incredible mix of genuine awe and somber sadness. You can really tell that despite his love of monsters, it hurts seeing his sister like this. One of the best castings I've seen ever, Damien Haas nails it!

[@guila5637]

A minute of silence fot the cut of the Marcille reaction to shirt ripping

[@psychronia]

I like to draw attention to the sheer disparity in quality between the monster half of Laios's drawing and the Falin half.

[@sarafontanini7051]

he knows what he's about,plsu evryone knows what falin looks like why should he bother with that part

[@psychronia]

@@sarafontanini7051 Everyone also already knows what the dragon looks like.

[@Blackholeheart]

I'm a little uncomfortable with how much hotter Falin is now.

[@footlong7980]

Nah, she just looks good in red 😏

[@sarafontanini7051]

no, no, you're right and everyone agrees

[@ZanathKariashi]

Mad Mage: I'll give you a new form, a giant Harpy sounds pretty cool. 1 second later Mad Mage: What was I doing again? Oh yeah, reforming the dragon, let's just finish that up right quick. several minutes later Mad Mage: Ah yes, my finest masterpiece! A completely ordinary European style dragon with absolutely nothing weird about it!

[@opal4293]

definitely my personal favorite episode of the season. makes me excited for season 2

[@MadMadNomad]

Re: Their discussion of guests overstaying their welcome: I knew a couple who used to just get up and say "Honey, we should go to bed so these people can get home.".

[@HF-cx4wl]

As an asian with AuDHD, I find Laios's situation with Shuro stings, like it really hits too close to home. We Asians have this tendency to beat around the bush, bottling up everything before exploding. Shuro never once tried to directly confront or correct Laios about anything, not even about his own goddamned name. Not that Laios was faultless, he has a lot issues himself, but Shuro is definitely the worse out of the both of them.

[@BlastYoBoots]

"F*** dropping hints, talk to me like a human being!!!" Exactly! SOS can probably see now why so many neurodivergent/AuDHD folks relate to Laios and how well he's depicted as such here, people often take autistic and ADHD people for granted as frustrating and clueless when we don't pick up on social cues, when we just need them properly SPELLED OUT for us instead of relying on the hints that it's easier for neurotypical people to pick up on. I'm autistic, and people like Shuro holding in their resentment at our behavior instead of just USING THEIR MOUTHS and realizing they need to communicate with us a little more blatantly and clearly are very common, so this sort of media representation making the issue so clear to the viewers had me pumping my fist. :D I'm so glad that this manga/anime goes out of its way to spell it out and have Shuro sort of learn his lesson, just like the Laios's other party members are gradually learning about him.

[@Girder3]

Maizuru said that Shuro himself grew up rather withdrawn. Which hints that he himself had to adapt to his own cultures social mores. Particularly since he was born into a noble family. He can't really relate to Laios who literally left both his hometown and the army instead of conforming. Laios might be one of the protagonists, but he's not necessarily in the right. He himself has shown character flaws. Notably by his inconsistent treatment of the danger of monsters (called back to in this episode). Chilchuck in particular noted his lacking social acumen as a handicap as a party leader. Kabru picked up on it as well.

[@ma.2089]

There’s also a tendency to try and pretend to be be the perfect family. I got ADHD and ASD. I distinctly being yelled at every time someone left the house cus I didn’t talk to them properly. But I also think Toshiro has experienced similar things himself, with his own backstory.

[@jemleye]

I particularly love how the episode titling scheme works perfectly to set up for an unseen dramatic turn and surprises this episode. You were focused on how to eat the harpies for example, and then BAM there's Falin the Chimera and suddenly cooking is out the window (for a while) and drama, action, and heartbreaking brofight are in.

[@pigeon160]

i do like the sub, but “WOAH HEY” in the dub is easily the funniest line read in the whole show

[@kittiecandy747]

kabru is playing 5d chess with laios who is eating the pieces

[@horacevonbergamot5093]

Its really interesting to see and a big hint about him, if you realize that Kabru seems to be the one who is closest to having a PvP Fighting Style.

[@sarafontanini7051]

actually about chimeras in a discord server i'm in there's an idea taking route that chimeras just HAV feathers and aren't like just the result of some feathered thing being mixed in with falin and the dragon. Which makes sense, because why WOULD the lunatic magician given falin random feathers?

[@salceds]

Laios' microaggressions towards Shuro go DEEP I know it felt good calling him annoying to 8 other people around

[@zanthe_]

29:30 This part is even better in the dub. Emily crushed it.

[@Benxall]

Good ol autism vs the traditional asian man The only thing i despise about this episode is people who take Laios' side unconditionally like his Autism means he is free of all fault. Also fallin chicken breasts LETS GOOOO

[@aino-kaisav5504]

I think it's a bit silly thing to even take sides in a situation like this. I think Shuro never showing his feelings shows that he himself is in a way, kinda socially awkward too. I think it's just two people with different issues clashing because neither one understands the other.

[@bennogb5069]

you have to feel bad for laios because he never fit in anywhere and got beat up for it too. He tought Shuro was his first friend that hes made, where he tought he was attentively tolerant of him.

[@Benxall]

@@bennogb5069 i can feel bad for Laios and still see where Toshiro is coming from. Like I said, having a reason to be the way you are doesn't mean others can't feel by wronged by you

[@komos3719]

It's easily no one's fault, it's just how they are as individuals and this was the first time they move towards resolving it.

[@ma.2089]

I haven’t seen ppl just side with Laios. Someone named Ed Anime (whose vids are great too, I recommend them!) commented on how he didn’t really realize why Laios was acting so strange until someone mentioned he was autistic. So in that fight he didn’t take a side, and seemed to understand both situations.

[@YOSSHI_MK2]

It is interesting that Westerners unconditionally defend Laios.

[@BeyondTrash-xe1vs]

Is it received differently in the east? I'd be interested to learn more.

[@MsCyou0157]

​@@BeyondTrash-xe1vs 私達日本人の多くは、こう思っています。 「ライオスにも、シュローにも問題があった」 だから、この議論において、どちらが正しいとは思えません。 ライオスは、自身の欠点について内省する必要がある。シュローは、ライオスの言動や行動に、無思慮に我慢して問題を放置した。 ただ、私は、多くの西洋人視聴者がシュローを「性格の悪い嫌な男」という評価を下しているのには困惑します。 それは翻訳のせいかもしれません。 日本語では、シュローはライオスの事を、「苦手」と表現しました。 これは、「ライオスの言動や行動について、対処や理解をする事が困難である」という意味です。 英語版でシュローは、ライオスの事を「嫌い」と言っています。 シュローは、ライオスを嫌ってはいませんし、拒否もしてません。 ただ、彼の言動や行動の全てを受け入れるのが困難だと言ってます。 これが理解できると、シュローの「ライオスの事を、羨ましい」と言っていた事と、救難信号用の鈴を渡す事が理解しやすいと思います。

[@sirbig8292]

SOS Bros and LaFave Bros crossover would be a dream come true.

[@gristen]

whats funny about shuro is that falin has alot of the same traits and interests as her brother, shes just a little more subdued about it and slightly better at social interactions. but many of the quirks shuro likes in falin are the same ones he dislikes in laios. shuro is just so blinded by infatuation that he's overlooked the fact that the siblings are cut from the same cloth. it shows that he didnt really know her very well before deciding he was in love with her, which might be one of the reasons why he was able to give up and return to the surface when the situation started to look hopeless. not saying that his love for her isnt real or valid, but its more of a surface level love that hasnt dug deep enough yet for him to really understand the other person or be willing to risk anything for her. he certainly cares for her, but he hasnt spent enough time for their bond to be at that level yet. also, idk if this is real so take it with a grain of salt, but i saw someone say in a comment somewhere that the manga author revealed that if the siblings genders were swapped, he would've liked laios instead of falin. if thats true, it just goes to show that shuro is more enamored with the idea of a girl being so different than what he expects girls to be like than he is with her specifically. the manga goes into more detail about why shuro started to like her and its mostly because he really liked bugs as a kid. when he saw her looking at that caterpillar like it was a precious jewel he decided he was in love with her right then and there lol

[@luisjauregui2197]

I'm not sure if the author confirmed that but there was a little side comic where a magic mirror shows little glimpses of what would change if certain characters were gender swapped. There's a panel with female Shuro talking about Laios, which doesn't have any dialogue so it's a little up to interpretation, but it seems that Shuro was uncomfortable being around Laios still.

[@gristen]

@@luisjauregui2197 ahhh that might've been what i had heard about, possible i or the commenter just remembered it wrong. its been awhile since i read the manga too so i dont really remember that side chapter, i just remember seeing a comment about something like that lol

[@davidashton3671]

It's a common misconception. That side story actually shows that Shuro being female would've make the situation even worst since it just seems like a random dude constantly harassing a girl who wants to be left alone. Not a good look for Laios.

[@nicholasso8560]

Given how shocked Hien is when Shuro admits liking someone (Adventurer's Bible 9) it's safe to say Falin is Shuro's first love, and so his idea of love may indeed be a bit immature. That said, there's literally nothing wrong with finding traits endearing in one person and annoying in another. Motherliness from my mother is great, for example, but I'm not looking for a motherly friend. And besides, Laius and Falin really don't compare, from Shuro's perspective. Laius is constantly in his face, Falin seems to have the sense and reserve not to be, and that makes all the difference. There's no space to appreciate Laius' charms when his entire social presence is an offense to Shuro. Turning back is a totally pragmatic decision that says nothing about the depth of his love. His party's spent blood and supplies on a wipe and recovery, he's just lost a fight he would have won against Laius if he weren't hungry and exhausted, and the only "plan" to save Falin is to do the unimaginable and defeat or negotiate with a madman who's previously mopped the floor with the party whose this plan this is. Even if there were a more reasonable-sounding plan for Falin, Shuro's situation would not improve without rest and resupply. I believe the comment you're talking about is referencing a comic (47.1 on mangadex), not word of the author. I'll echo Luis above and say that, as the crucial panel lacks dialogue, it's unclear if Shuro(ko) is infatuated or uneasy (I lean toward the latter, as Laius observes that in this bizarro world, his relationship with Shuro is no better). I can recall no instance of Shuro showing personal interest in bugs. Would appreciate a reference if you have it.

[@troljynx9953]

@@gristen Actually it's the opposite, the mirror showed a woman Shuro, and as OP said there were no dialogue but it showed in bubble how she seemed to crush on Laios while blushing while telling the other girls, with Marcille reacting with shock and Falin with a mix of discomfort and disgust like "Eeh, really... ? Him... ??"

[@kurtisroberts4091]

I need friends as intelligent as you guys.

[@JBBRDNKS]

7:18 big brother Ed type beat

[@mattlo1664]

THIS SHOW IS SO GOOD

[@saumya-5608]

Finally Liaos knows Kaburu's name lol

[@tianna3024]

I honestly don't think Shuro really got Fallin either tbh, because while we haven't seen that much from her yet, she seems... very similar to Laios, personality-wise. That scene with the bug kind of implied to me that he wasn't thinking about her as much as what he expected her to be. Idk.

[@luisjauregui2197]

In the manga it's shown that Falin was looking at the bug to confirm if it was a boy or a girl, so she's definitely into animals like her bother

[@sarafontanini7051]

exactly. ironically of the three shuro is probably the most distant to falin but his inability to see outside of himself and his over romantisation of falin over everyone else is making him blind to it.He cannot fathom that falin's brother and best friend might, you know, have a deeper udnerstanding and relationship with her than him,

[@YOSSHI_MK2]

Farin and Laios have totally different personalities. Farin had the social skills to make friends at school, while Laios did not.

[@sancturillore]

No she didn't. She was "adopted" by the extrovert Marcille. Marcille is the only friend Falin had in school.

[@douglascostateixeira8265]

4:39 Yae Miko every 5 seconds:

[@Iamhungey]

Falin: Bawk.

[@zachanas4670]

"Turning Point II"

[@Seissmo]

Shit got real.

[@maxdon2001]

Great reaction!

[@FlubbedPig]

Look, Shuro is a VERY Japanese man, there's only so much he could do.

[@kittiecandy747]

CAT INCOMING :3

[@rynbliss]

im not really a fan of shuro because all the things he hates about laios are exactly the traits he loves in falin :/ it feels very manic pixie dream girl, like the same autistic traits in a woman are attractive but in a man are annoying, just pisses me off

[@TheUlf]

I love the Shuro and Laios interactions basically confirming in pretty much as explicit terms as you're gonna get that Laios is on the spectrum lol

[@SanguinaryRain]

Sheesh

[@ArtWithSR]

From this moment, I felt Shuro was so hypocritical because Falin, in essence, is EXTREMELY SIMILAR to Laios in personality. Perhaps slightly more soft-spoken/less hyper than Laios can be, but boy did it bug me and make me laugh at him to see him hate Laios, but randomly proposing to Falin. It might be a stretch, but by that logic, it seemed to me Shuro cared nothing really for her personality, but more for her general appearance.

[@stomyn]

Exactly. Oddly enough, everything Shuro hates about Laios, he loves about Falin, but because she's all cute and stuff, it's endearing coming from her, and annoying coming from Laios. Either that, or he never really noticed all that stuff in Falin and just fell in love with some idealized version of her he built in her head, never really understanding the real her

[@cooliceprincess2641]

I don't really think that's in any way hypocritical. While Falin has very similar personality beats, the fact that she is slightly more socially adept and reserved makes a BIG difference in how their interactions go. Toshiro dislikes Laios because in his denseness he invades his personal boundaries and ignore his social cues all the time. Laios' energy also tires his very introverted disposition out. Falin never invaded his space, assumed things about him, badgered him about his homeland endlessly (and in the process be culturally insensitive), nor stretch his social battery thin. This difference between her and Laios may seem trivial, but it allows Toshiro room to get to know her and her "quirks" comfortably in his own terms, as opposed to the way Laios energetically shove it to his face against his will. Her being less energetic also makes her presence much less socially draining for his quiet personality. Altogether that paints Falin in a much more positive light in his perspective. Toshiro was indeed at fault for not being upfront with Laios, but his annoyance was totally valid. I do think his feelings for Falin doesn't go very deep, and is more an infatuation than love, but I think he does feel comfortable around her and appreciate her as a person. Plus she likes bugs; an interest he shares. I think that's enough reason to have a crush on someone.

[@sarafontanini7051]

@@cooliceprincess2641 ironically i think by the sound of things falin just isn't that close to shuro or cares about him as deeply as marcille or laios. given what we can infer its possible that she's barely aware of him as a FRIEND.

[@palecat5005]

Falin is able to consider whether his attitude is disrespectful to the other person. That is why he held off on responding to the marriage proposal. He was able to consider whether accepting Shuro's proposal without being clear about his feelings for him would be disrespectful to him. Laios, on the other hand, was unable to do that. That is why he is disliked, persecuted at school and in the military, and criticized within his party. We should not ignore this difference and defend Laios.

[@cooliceprincess2641]

@@sarafontanini7051 Eh, I agree that Falin doesn't consider him a close friend by any means, but she has high empathy, and definitely cares about everyone in the party as her friends. Toshiro did try to spend time alone with her (before Laios interrupted), so she is at the very least comfortable to talk alone with him. She also helped him through his monster-induced nightmare, so she knew him pretty well. I do think she doesn't even remotely return his feelings though 🤣

[@sarafontanini7051]

Ironically, shuro just giving up on falin and saying she should just die shows how little he cares about her compared to the others. She's just an idea to him, he'll be sad when she's dead but that's about it. But Laios and the others are willing to do whatever they can to help her. also "fight the mad mage and save falin" is way more of a plan than "i dunno kill her and leave I guess". That's just my opinion as a Shuro Hater. also of COURSE shuro wasn't that serious about it. He chose to LEAVE and hire a group of ROOKIES (its clear to me his team have NEVER been in a dungeon before) who don't now shit about falin rather than trust in his experienced coworkrers who were close to falin. Dude let his animosity towards laios cloud his judgement and blind him.

[@risottopose9970]

Shura Hater gonna Shuro Hate I guess but it’s clear that his “Inexperienced” team as you put it are far more capable than most dungeon delvers and 100% would’ve been able to take out the Red Dragon if he got that far. Not to mention he went days without food or sleep just to get to Falin, a journey that the earlier half of this season has mad clear is no small task. To say he cares little about her is absolute nonsense fueled by clear bias. Killing her and freeing her soul from the dungeon would be a merciful act and of course Shuro wouldn’t go for a plan that he doesn’t believe will work or will cause more problems, he’s made his lack of faith rather clear

[@YOSSHI_MK2]

そんな視点でしか物語を見れないのは可哀想だな。

[@palecat5005]

In the bonus manga "If Shuro and Laios were good friends" drawn by the author and attached to the anime DVD, Shuro is shown to take his retainers with him to rescue Farin, even if he gets along well with Laios. It is a completely rational decision, and has nothing to do with his resentment towards Laios. Just imagine it. In that world, black magic and monsters are generally hideous things. It is natural to want to at least kill the girl you love who has turned into a painful zombie or Frankenstein's monster. Please look at it objectively and realize that it is only some perverts who think that it is a "cool design". It is childish to be only devoted to the protagonist's point of view.

[@BeyondTrash-xe1vs]

​@@palecat5005Laios was not being a pervert when he said Falin looked cool, that's a really strange way to read the scene. Laios's feelings towards monsters have never been sexual, and especially not towards his sister. For what it's worth I watched dub so this may vary, but in the dub Laios's voice as he says this line clearly sounds very sad. He's not genuinely excited about this, it's superficial observations to look beyond the fact his sister is a monster.

[@ДаниярИткулов]

I remember that someone on Tumblr theorised that the whole Toshiro/Laois relationship is based on the author's personal experience