Senior Psychiatrist Harmed By Antidepressants | An Interview with Peter Gordon

[@redballoonluke]

This is gold. So unbelievably therapeutic to watch and listen to. Thank you.

[@heinz-georgschneider3567]

This poor guy is a victim of his own industry. He had the typical reactions on these neurotoxins. Thank you for sharing this to the public.

[@tatie7604]

Yes. It explains my own reactions. It's informative to see and it is clear the effects of SSRI's.

[@Skoopyghost]

I was a bully in high school, and I ended up being bullied later on. Experence is the best teacher.

[@yano391]

The medical doctors needs to know about the risks of antidepressants and how many lives they can ruin as they are overprescribed... I've been prescribed venlafaxin for social anxiety. My life is 10 times more worse than before the pill. It ruined my metabolism, it ruined my cognition, it ruined my sleep, it ruined my sexuality, it ruined my ability to practise sport... the withdrawal has been the worst experience I had in my whole life, it made me become a wreck. I lost my social life, my health and my job because of this. AND OF COURSE I HAD NO HELP FROM THE MEDICAL SYSTEM : DOCTORS DENIED EVERYTHING WHAT HAPPEND TO ME.... so you just suffer twice : because you lost everything in many aspects of your life AND because no ones believes you and compassionate... And of course because doctors says that it's all in your head, even your family or your friends don't believe you. You are then LOST and ALONE.

[@mariawilson9838]

I hear you, medical system, kill more than it fixes, I no longer go the the doctors. These people are never held to account. Big pharmaceutical companies rule. The fear that is generated is almost beyond belief. Taking control of my our health and learning not to fear is the answer. I have never been well since. Wishing you all the best. I follow wim hoff he has helped in many ways.

[@lindahuseyin4210]

Sorry as me too and another thing you get perma ringing in ears when on them so bad your never same again

[@georgios4891]

We believe you. We got this

[@GentlRebel]

I believe you because I had the same experience. Some people have it even worse. I used to work with a woman whose brother was prescribed Paxil for depression. He had a psychotic break and killed his wife and then himself, leaving their daughter orphaned. The wake of destruction behind the antidepressant train is massive.

[@ruthie2222]

I believe you 💯 These meds are dangerous imo and NO ONE should be given them!

[@TheAjmos]

The public needs to know all the risks of these drugs. Thank you, Dr WD for playing your part in spreading the word.

[@artandculture5262]

I dated a neurologist who said not to use them in approximately 1996. He knew then. Why did an md/PhD neurologist know then, but the psychiatry world writes em on.

[@tatie7604]

They don't care. It's chemical lobotomy. It's easier to talk about your "medication" and change that than it is to talk about circumstances, problems-- and changing them.

[@annesulentich296]

The most disturbing thing is that MD's do not understand the withdrawal from benzo's hellish suffering. I was on 12 mg of ativan for 30 years, now on Clonopin 1 mg. Is this going to work? It has been barbaric torture and no one how this pushes one to suicide. I get it!

[@tatie7604]

@@annesulentich296 Ride it out.

[@eoinMB3949]

​@@annesulentich296Let me ask you something, why did you start taking them in the first place? And looking back at what you know now, do you regret ever beginning to take these medications?

[@RS-hs5lq]

I read Peter Kramer's Listening to Prozac not long after it was published, that was early to mid 90s. And I knew from the very start that there was something not quite "ringing true" for me about how these new "miracle" pills were being pushed (and yes im using that word intentionally) but then again I've always been the skeptical kind. And I've always understood that these "mental health" issues are much more complex than just an individual's so-called "illness." A pill is not going to fix things that often have a much more global and systemic genesis. These meds are what any other substance people choose to use to self-medicate, they just happen to be legal and dispensed by an "approved" legalized process. But at the end of the day, we are putting substances in our bodies, in this case substances that affect the most complex and critical organ in our body in ways that we don't even yet fully understand. What could possibly go wrong with that idea? And then a year or two after Dr. Kramer's book, I read Dr. Breggin's Talking Back to Prozac and from that point, I knew never to consider using any of these meds. I have continued to read and study this issue since. To this day I have yet to see any persuasive argument to justify the way these meds are being used in the medical field. They are handed out like they are candy with little regard to the consequences. The medical profession -- at least in theory -- is supposed to be guided by that "first, do no harm" idea but in practice, the reality, at least here in the US, is that ideal often gets lost among the pursuit of less noble goals. Sadly, it is not just doctors and the medical profession that is keeping this cycle going, seemingly still with not nearly enough opposition. There are imo way too many patients who do not question anything, who are perfectly happy taking their pills because that is "easier" than dealing with their mental health issues by getting at the real causes, as opposed to symptom suppression. That model -- symptom suppression vs. looking at the core issues that are generating those "alarm bells," aka symptoms -- is faulty to begin with. But in a culture where escapism and a religious avoidance of any difficult or uncomfortable reality is the overwhelming goal, numbing ourselves with whatever newest chemical the pharmas come up with to fool our brains into believing we are "better now" will continue to be pushed as the way to go.

[@indigobunting2431]

My psychiatrist refused to believe that I had horrible side effects, both while taking and while tapering from SSRIs

[@annberlin5811]

Because they get money and in kind for promoting

[@tatie7604]

He knew. He DIDN'T CARE.

[@stevekaylor5606]

@@tatie7604 Just filling a job slot!

[@mistycaledonia]

Thank you Peter for speaking up and much love from a fellow Scot. I lost my eldest son 3 years ago due to so called psychiatric care and not listening or believing he was Akathisic. They even had the gall to ask me where I heard that word Akathisia as though it belongs to them and we are not supposed to know it or use it!

[@victoriagrahm3915]

Gosh so sorry for your loss. I can’t imagine anything so horrible as losing your son after a long battle like that. God Bless. I’m sure one day you will be reunited w him in the afterlife.

[@susanmorgan4151]

I'm so sorry ❤.

[@stevekaylor5606]

Organized Crime "helping people," by pushing them into Triage modeled custodial debasement, then corralling them as cash cows!

[@ronalddonner3396]

Akathesia is torture plain and simple.It was used by Soviets on dissidents.What is scandalous or even evil is that it can be helped to a great degree by a simple addition of anti-Cholergenic drug,at least on a short term basis.

[@danepaulstewart8464]

Peter certainly seems quite lucid and reasoned in his approach to all of the important aspects of this conversation. I hope a man as both wise and courageous as he is, can find the strength to continue his highly important work. I applaud both men here for their cautious and well reasoned work they have done thus far. I hope very much they can continue and I wish them success.

[@juliettacochrane8122]

What a very brave man you are, what a story ...

[@indigobunting2431]

"There is no chance I am going to be believed." I often feel this when psychiatrists speak. I know they do no listen.

[@stevekaylor5606]

They are too lockstep with Freudian ideology and what is lucrative - hubristic! / They must be issued new Guidelines - so patients will be able to develop cathexes!

[@laurabernas4675]

The integrity of this man and what happened to him. ❤

[@andywilson5677]

Really great interview Josef. The part where you both talk about how pharma influences all the information doctors get on the drugs and how other interventions are omitted was really enlightening. It painted a picture of this one-sided echo chamber that helped me understand why psychiatrists are so reluctant to engage with harmed patients.

[@MajICReiki]

It is not just in psychiatry and anti-psychotics, etc Read book "Mad in America" back in 2009. Was reading it again in the waiting lobby at my gynecologist in 2014, the Dr entered the lobby and saw inwas reading, assured me i would be seen soon, then asked what the book was about, so I read the cover description, and he looked me dead in the eyes and told me to never bring that book back to his office, he didn't want his nurses asking him any more questions about it. 👋 I should have fired him then and walked out. Did a few years later after figuring out he prescribed the same brand of birth control to over 75% of his patients, had all of the best swag for it, and I wound up with a cyst, in the hospital, and told my pain didn't matter, it wasn't bad enough to require more medical treatment. After I was unable to climb the stairs in my home for nearly 9 months just prescribed different doses of the same medication the gyno was brand loyal to.

[@alicjap3482]

I was prescribed Zoloft for palatal tremors. After just taking 2 small doses I woke up with the worse panic attack one can have. After going through hell for 5 hours I went to the ER. They gave me Ativan which helped for a few hours. After that I was having panic attacks every day when waking up. Had to wait 5 weeks for a on line visit with a psychiatrist who prescribed Mirtazapine. After taking Mirtazapine for 6 months I decided to slowly taper off. It was helping with the daily morning panic attacks but caused me to gain a lot of weight. I did my research and decided to do the tapering over a few months. My NP was the one who said I shouldn't be doing it so slowly and that a few weeks was enough. Lucky me I didn't listen to her.

[@melissaraven3164]

Thanks, Josef. Your explanation of the dynamics between FDA and pharma was particularly useful. But even better was listening to Peter's profound wisdom.

[@stevekaylor5606]

The practice of agapeic love and treating others kindly - is mental health!

[@singstreetcar5881]

He is so emotional and i feel sorry for him. His own profession harmed him and failed him. They didnt believe him. They gaslighted him. I hope he heals. I hope he finds joy and peace. He was having troubles because of the hardships of being a parent, yes lets give him pills, his problems with disappear overnight when he takes dangerous pills. Smh

[@stevekaylor5606]

Neurotoxic drugs cause Disassociation!

[@Heartbrokenforever1978]

He is gonna be fine. Men think pssd or akathisia is the worst there is. Not by a long shot. Not by miles.

[@kazman_6899]

I always knew the chemical imbalance argument was sick "You have a chemical imbalance. Here's some chemicals". There's your "chemical imbalance"

[@MajICReiki]

No test ever developed and administered for diagnosis. Just on the whims of a white coat with a script pad.

[@kazman_6899]

@@MajICReiki Did you know in Australia 93% of all psychotropic drugs are prescribed by a GP? What a joke.

[@stevekaylor5606]

For iatrogenic Tardive Dyskinesia!

[@alannamarohnic4722]

The chemical balance line didn't ever make sense to me either.

[@kazman_6899]

@@alannamarohnic4722 I went to a counselling college from 2005 to 2009. No one questioned it. Not a minute of learning was spent on withdrawals.

[@Q1776Q]

Thank you Dr. Witt-Doerring. You are a breath of fresh air.

[@stevekaylor5606]

Also: Peter Gotzsche, James Davies, Robert D. Whitaker and Peter Breggin!

[@jusjeany]

@Peter Gordon ...my sister was told by her doctor it was not dependent forming when she had a hard time getting off of it... she called the manufacturers who also told her the same... eventually she weaned herself off completely by opening the capsules and taking individual granules reducing them gradually ...

[@maribelpita5745]

There is a Psychiatrist known as the conscience of Psychiatry Peter R Breggin MD he wrote many books but most people don’t read, that’s the problem, the side effects were in black and white but he didn’t do it with a megaphone. One of his latest books is: “ Brain disabling psychiatric treatments” or “Talking back to Prozac”

[@KatieLennox]

thank you for this info!

[@stevekaylor5606]

I called his Ithaca office today - about his Center for Emphatic Therapy!

[@curtislavoie2242]

This is so heartbreaking. Im sorry you went through this. Thank you for sharing.

[@AQAEnglishwithBryn]

Keep up the good work Josef and Peter.

[@jackiekrieger4921]

As a psychiatric nurse, I saw this happen far too often. The psychiatrist I worked with came up with a formula to decrease withdrawal symptoms. It was Cogentin, Phenergan, Ibuprofen and Clonidine, with a gradual taper off the offending drug. It really helped some people with the physical withdrawal symptoms. I'm so glad people are talking about this now!

[@naomimara3340]

Dear Jackie, there are many people in Benzo (and other drugs) withdrawal forums who are asking about anything that might help during their tapper. They are desperate and your info would probably help a lot. Please share to them. Thank you ❤🙏👍

[@JZGreengo]

Thank you for also talking about this 🙏🏻

[@billybandyk0720]

Ms. Krieger; When I was on Risperdal (via court-order)!back in 4/1996, I developed severe uncontrollable movements of my jaw (made it look like I had a dislocated jaw). Bc of.the court-order that put me on Risperdal, I was gvn Cogentin 2 counteract the uncontrollable movements.

[@georgiabessie]

Then how did the patients get off clonidine? This is a crime what we do to humans.

[@billybandyk0720]

@@georgiabessie U betcha. More often than not; it's how other people (mis)handle & (mis)treat us that result in mental health conditions. They r a.k.a.: TRIGGERS!!!!!! Un4tun8ly; the mental health system (i.e.: psychiatry, "behavioral health/medicine") consistently refuses 2 recognize the ENVIRONMENTAL FACTORS that contribute 2 mental health conditions. Bc of the closed-minded mentality that the mental health system predic8s itself upon; the "chemical Imbalance" philosophy still perme8s & it's been proven (despite past squelchings) that psych meds r NOT EFFECTIVE "TREATMENT" RE: mental health conditions. Counseling/psychotherapy's very effective (only as long as the REAL ISSUES r properly addressed/resolved w/o judgment by the therapist). Sometimes; that's much "easier said than done".

[@thefuzzfactor2989]

A terrific interview! God bless u both.

[@jameswardle4770]

I managed to get off Venlafaxine after starting on SSRIs and whatever came before from age 15. I’m 51 now and free but stopping VF without tapering was horrific but I’m glad I did. What have these drugs done to our brains? What permanent damage has been done? I’m quite shocked I was the person who diagnosed myself after 35 years of psychs/therapists misdiagnosing/missing my real problem (I was correct /had it confirmed by a consultant psychologist). It was in everyone’s interest for me to take meds for 35 years, except mine. How do you ever know normal when they started poisoning you from 15 years old?

[@MajICReiki]

Refering to your statement "..in everyone's interests, but my own." In this discussion it is labeled as the psychiatrists and MDs being "defensive". The point they have a defensive reaction, should tell them what they need to know about their own positions and biases. I am beginning to see that level of cognitive dissonance, professional delusion.

[@SimplesMenteSaude-gc1bp]

I see myself in your story. I realized after 10 years of psychological drugs that they were making me worse than better. And I realized that after years inside the psychiatric practice. I was then a medical student who wanted to pursue a career in psychiatry, but by the end of med school I realized that I had NEVER ever seen an withdrawal process. Just more and more drugs. I decided I would start with me and deprescribe myself, and the last drug I was taking was also Venlafaxine. I quitted and it was really hard but the journey overall had taught me so much! It inspired me to help other people do the same and get through this hard experiences acquiring knowledge and empowering ourselves and others with tools to better deal with life. I’m happy to hear your story

[@classicinvestmentwatches676]

Never heard of doctor Mengele? Why do you think the mengeles are gone? Perhaps they made you suffer so long, so that you may become a saviour of those little children being drug-abused by them right now. Think about it. Give your life meaning.

[@jamesgem1809]

​@@classicinvestmentwatches676wacko

[@billybandyk0720]

Mr. Wardle; I became psych med-free over 7 yrs ago (since 1/1/2017) after 30+ different psych meds over 44 yrs (starting w/Ritalin @ AGE 4 in 1971; my DOB: 7/20/1967). I'm 56 & as a4mentioned; I was prescribed Ritalin as a 4 Y.O. in 1971 due 2 ADHD (then called "hyperkinesia"). Prior 2 my 18th birthday in 1985; here's amongst the other psych meds that I was on as follows: Mellaril (@ age 8 in 1975) Thorazine (@ age 10 in 1977) Haldol (@ age 11 in 1978) Triavil (@ age 14 in early 1982) Elavil (@ age 16 in 1983) Trilafon (also @ age 16 but in early 1984) Again; the overall list of psych meds prescribed 2 me is actually 2 many 2 list but the last 2 psych meds that I.was on was Zyprexa/Olanzapine & Depakote (from 2008-2016). Long story short; the cumulative adverse effects from psych meds made me feel suicidal. Becoming psych med-free since has ELIMINATED THOSE SUICIDAL FEELINGS!!!!!! Yes; I still have challenges but @ least I can feel my emotions w/o being chemically pacified by psych meds.

[@egbertsmith2435]

Fantastic interview! I would love to hear more from Peter Gordon and his experiences.

[@leoniegray6404]

"SAFE AND EFFECTIVE" ....where have I heard that one before 😮

[@Brian6587]

Thank you for speaking out! This matters.

[@katswart1302]

Excellent interview, eye opening, thank you both

[@laurabernas4675]

Peter Gordon hits so many important points in this interview

[@singstreetcar5881]

Pls we want a part 2 with peter.

[@knotlesshooks3830]

I have been told it's all in my head, its age related and not believed in general. I have experienced this as soon as I went on meds against my will 14 years ago. Age 52 now. Happy to share my story and experiences if it helps anyone.

[@marieb8774]

Same here in Ireland these drugs are being prescribed widely and I never see anything in the media about the dangers of them and withdrawal effects. We are fortunate to be able to access the information on KZbin and the information these caring physicians are sharing . I have passed some details about what I have learned to my family and hopefully they will be cautious about taking these drugs. No such thing as informed consent here as far as I can see.

[@susanmorgan4151]

WOW. Just WOW. This doctor mirrors my journey with Paroxetine. On it for 20 years, in my 4th month of being clean. Its HORRIBLE.

[@tatie7604]

Ride it out. Reality is better than fantasy.

[@susanmorgan4151]

​@@tatie7604thank you. I've been clean now for 11 months. It is SLOWLY getting better. Still struggling with akathesia. ❤❤❤❤ thank you for your comment. I totally agree.❤

[@Sara2090-b2l]

How are you feeling now?

[@scotscub76]

Seroxat is the WORST. Ruined my life. Dr. Peter Gordon is wonderful for speaking out about this. He's a great guy.

[@Blaise-eo8to]

@@susanmorgan4151 How long was your taper?

[@angelagrosso2162]

Thanks Alicia So glad to hear your off of that terrible Venlafaxine.. It's horrible I've tried coming off and couldn't do it awful withdrawal..I don't want to be on this med. Thanks Josef..God bless you for what you're doing to help others😢

[@Sketch_Sesh]

Both my parents got on antidepressants in the late 80s and I saw them change for the worse. It destroyed our relationship, their marriage and I feel like it ruined them as people/humans. Eventually they became so toxic, I had to cut all contact and haven’t spoken with them in years… for my own health, peace and sanity

[@artandculture5262]

My aunt at 81, and her daughter, 54, both went on anti-D’s, decades ago. Daughter is on benzos too. They are both insufferable, and part of it seems like their use of chemistry instead of emotional living. I’ve never seen anyone say the use of them ruined their parents’ marriage. Fascinating.

[@Sketch_Sesh]

@@artandculture5262 yeah, these drugs kill sex drive and cause all kinds of mental and emotional instability… trying to connect with and have a healthy relationship with these people is impossible.. in my experience

[@jamesgem1809]

​@@artandculture5262did you ever think it was the disease and not the drugs. The brain gets diseased whether you like that or not. I don't particularly like drugs but there is underlying disease in some cases.

[@grannygoes7882]

@@jamesgem1809 Being sad or not sleeping isn't a disease. That is why most people are put on these meds. There has been a study done that shows ALL school shooters on are anti-depressants. That is NEVER discussed.

[@billybandyk0720]

@@jamesgem1809 It depends on what "diseases" that u r alluding 2. If u r referring 2 depression, bipolar disorder, & schizophrenia as "diseases"; I disagree w/that notion. Otherwise; if it's physical in nature (e.g.: cardiovascular, pulmonary, thyroid, etc.); then I agree. W/that said; it's been well proven that psych meds do cause/compound mental health conditions.

[@michaelfinley4440]

Another example of the "good meds' being just as bad or worse than street drugs.

[@octopus4925]

100%. I had crippling social anxiety that I self medicated using alcohol in social situations. Now I've done enough exposure therapy with tapering amounts of alcohol that I'm basically always sober with very little anxiety left. So glad I never tried the psych meds instead despite them saying "don't self-medicate, get a professional to help you", as if psychiatrists know what these meds can do to us or even care 😂 its a joke

[@stevekaylor5606]

"Good meds" via positivist assertions of Mental Health operatives!

[@stuartpaterson3016]

Thank you so much for speaking out about this. Have had almost the exact same experience as Peter. Got on the drug in 98. Tried many times to get off. Ended up in a psych hospital in 2002. In 2006 came as close to suicide as I’ve could ever think possible. Got back on in 2007. And have been too terrified to try again. Now 55 and have never been able to find a person that could relate or believe my experience. Feel like I’ve been disabled not really able to find the real me since 2006. I feel strongly about this and want to find the courage to help others who have had this harrowing on-going bad acid trip seeming normal enough to function quasi-socially but with the sense that you are not quite right. It’s a lot like being Job in the Bible.

[@susanmorgan4151]

I'm so sorry ❤

[@scotscub76]

I'm so sorry. You're not alone in this. I use a scooter and ebike because of this drug.

[@oneviewcornwall8200]

Excellent interview

[@michasosnowski5918]

Really important topic. You are both very curageous. Thank you. I was dealing with terrible acathysia and mood swings while on SSRI antidepressants. Always after about a month of starting. No psychiatrist believed my experience. They ignored it, increased my dose or changed the drug. IT was hell! I finally got educated from other sources and started to come off of them slowly. I experienced withdrawal symptoms for 6 months after my last dose. Was worried that it will stay with me forever... Again. Thank you.

[@rmeehan93]

The chemical imbalance theory is absolute BS ! Depression and anxiety (which often go hand in hand) are born out of childhood experiences usually , not been seen heard or understood. It’s also the opposite of expression and having to push down one’s emotions as a child due to the environment. It’s a maladaptive response to an environment which may be perceived as unsafe to a person/child. This is how mental health problems arise later on in life. Also nutrition, positive relationships play such a significant role. These things are often not even addressed by gps , psychiatrists which is mind blowing. They can be so narrow minded. Emotional well-being is everything ! 💫

[@stevekaylor5606]

"Show me the Chemical Balance Tests!" - Jeffrey A. Schaler

[@rochellefreed853]

THANK YOU for ur video's they are helping me get more awareness as I'm going thru terrible withdrawls from benzos That were prescribed to me in the 90's ugh

[@wellinever1558]

Excellent dialogue between the two of you. THANK YOU. SO NECESSARY. Agree 100% careers and money drive the stealth/wealth I mean health industry.

[@Laura_Critique_Psychiatry]

What a fantastic interview. I have a similar story. So good that we are now recognising antidepressant withdrawal.

[@Starfish2145]

I know someone who was put on Paxil and he put his fist through a car window. He was never violent before that. He stopped taking it thank goodness

[@frebrd78]

My Father was/is always a kind soul. An introvert. He was put on Prozac in 1997. He's been in prison since 1998 for 2nd degree murder. 😥

[@stevekaylor5606]

Allen Francis on T.V. - "Psych drugs cause mass shootings!" {2012}@@frebrd78

[@capresti3537]

@@frebrd78 Psychiatric drugs are known to cause violence.

[@carolinecroft7029]

Excellent Interview

[@aliciam6725]

I warned them about my prior reaction to antipsychotics. They insisted I take Olanzapine and after, Latuda (for insomnia) and I now have akathisia. Terrifying.

[@nettewilson5926]

They don’t care about their patients I have found. They don’t feel bad when their patients suffer the consequences: they justify it, tell themselves it was a necessary and low risk. They don’t live with the consequences

[@susanmorgan4151]

I'm so sorry ❤

[@grannygoes7882]

I listened to this whole interview. I know so many people in this situation. My mom and sister are two that would like to quit their med's but they can't. I'm worried about myself. I can't quit my hormones. I'm not making a joke. I'm 65 and took hormones for 20 years and decided I didn't want to take them anymore. I gave myself a year to balance my hormones naturally. It didn't work. I thought I was losing my mind and I ruined so many pillows and bedding with my night sweats. Is this the same thing??

[@jboesky8]

What is the Hippocratic Oath in simple terms? In the oath, the physician pledges to prescribe only beneficial treatments, according to his abilities and judgment; to refrain from causing harm or hurt; and to live an exemplary personal and professional life.

[@Heopful]

you'd think gender reassignment operations are a clear violation of this

[@KatieLennox]

and to first do no harm!!!

[@krzysztof4543]

@@KatieLennox This is no longer valid...

[@Snowflake1374]

Zoloft 16 years. Almost cold turkey by Dr. Terrible WD 4 months off. Disabled. Numbed sensory, head and body pressure ache and nervs. Depression, brain fog.

[@Snowflake1374]

Now 1 year off. No words to describe the first year, hell. Now still sick and disabled. Somewhat better and see more clearly but very little improvement functionally. Neurological injury. Still cant take a walk (flares up afterwards) and can only stand up for short periods of time. No windows, it's been 24/7.

[@shirleyal-jabi1503]

Ended very abruptly. Good talk

[@laurieconover7243]

Loved your soap box - thank you both for speaking truth. I found the SAME struggles as a teacher of dyslexic kids...the University the school systems would not read the Science in best educational strategies for these kids ... I watched them slowly be pushed through the system being placed on ADHD meds, and in Jr and Sr highschool antidepressants due to the pain and suffering they went through in the school system not meeting their needs. I was threatened by the Admin. at my job because I spoke up too often attempting to advocate for these kids and they wanted to shut me up, was misunderstood and I finally 'retired' at 57 for the same reasons but mine was in the educational system.

[@ronalddonner3396]

Perhaps all psychiatrists should have a 4 month treatment with a antidepressant as part of their training?

[@susanmorgan4151]

😂😂😂❤

[@bobroefs5467]

👍👍👍👍👍

[@Readingfunayyy]

Indeed

[@bluestar7757]

They would probably argue that they don’t have depression the medication would be not only ineffective but would cause side effects and is unethical to take a medication when you don’t need it I’ve seen this question posed on Reddit under psychiatry

[@mgray3130]

I actually ,on my second visit, to the phychiatrist told him "I'll tell you I'll keep taken this drug if you take it for a month, got up and said so long".

[@aliciam6725]

Effexor: one bead per month (open capsules). Took 12 months to come off. Couldn’t have done it otherwise. And yes, akathisia is hell.

[@barnbrac2452]

I was taken off 225mg of Effexor over 3 days. Now polydrugged inc benzo. Brain destroyed.

[@dianemorrell9638]

​@@barnbrac2452say what? That's not safe, who would ever recommend this unless they want you to convulse and seize. It's taken me over 4 years of counting beads and still have one year left to taper after 25 years.

[@stevekaylor5606]

@@barnbrac2452 Psychiatrists should be given Due Process!

[@eumilafajardo7924]

Thank you so much 25 months off withdrawal is hell

[@Snowflake1374]

14 months devastating withdrawal hell here.

[@billybandyk0720]

This psychiatrist whom's being interviewed is a rarity. He's 1 of the few psychiatrists who actually took psych meds & there4; he can definitely rel8 2 what I dealt with RE: adverse effects caused by psych meds. If more psychiatrists whom prescribe psych meds were like the interviewee, then the mental health system would've established lots more credibility than what currently exists. Un4tun8ly, any1 who experiences adverse effects caused by psych meds will b automatically dismissed & disregarded RE: their experiences. W/that said; this further proves that paych meds r the WORST METHOD OF TREATMENT RE: mental health conditions. Like the interviewee; I outta know.

[@doeboy1103]

I know my psychiatrist is on SOMETHING. His pupils are always pin pointed and he's SO C A L M

[@billybandyk0720]

@@doeboy1103 Good 4 u & ur psychiatrist. Trust me on this 1; the psychiatrist will eventually experience adverse effects from psych meds.

[@TheDavveponken]

@@doeboy1103 I think this is a part of the problem. I think they dissociate. I actually saw an interview from a few years ago with the doctor that I met with after I developed pssd, who said "I never heard of that" and then did NOTHING. In the interview he said that he finds reassurance in the interaction with his patients in that he has nothing to do with the reactions of the patients in front of him - that it's all to do with them. So essentially he has completely separated himself from the social interaction. Very disturbing, sociopathic even. I've met very few health care professional who weren't themselves indeed sicker than myself. But alas my issues were a lot to do with trusting my gut, so I went along with way too much. Never again.

[@stevekaylor5606]

Disease-like Labeling and neurotoxic drugs - so people can be corralled as cash cows!

[@YumiYume]

EVERYBODY in the mental health profession and people in general NEED to spend the 50 minutes to watch this video. I'm not a professional but I absolutely agree that mental health professionals need to LISTEN to their patients and clients. A GP in the UK has a 10 minute slot to talk to any patient. A counsellor on the NHS has 50 minutes to talk to any patient in a session. When I spoke to my newest contact, just the background chat about what their worry was and their general background, so I could get to know them was a 3 hour chat. Mental health support is not a 'quick fix'. Even if anti-depressants and other drugs do help (and I don't say they don't), they are only a small part of dealing with mental health. You give someone with a broken leg pain killers, but you don't do only that. You fix the broken leg. With a broken heart or spirit, maybe you need a drug to take away the pain, but that doesn't heal the heart or spirit.

[@susanmorgan4151]

Well said.❤

[@HFTLH]

Amen

[@ATeitter]

Dr. Gordon, get the books Brain Saver Protocols, Brain Saver and Cleanse To Heal by Medical Medium. I've used the protocols in these books to recover from all of the damage i have done to my body and brain with pharmaceuticals. I used to work in psychiatry, as well, so I've taken a lot of the medication for extended periods of time. It all contains toxic heavy metals which are the cause of the "permanent and worsening" conditions that you are experiencing. You can reverse everything with the information in these books. Let me know if I can help

[@akalucinda8821]

Ty❤

[@astrahcat1212]

Unfortunately, and I'm not trying to be mean, what comes around goes around. I hope anyone harmed can recover and become healthy again.

[@jeffsanders7978]

Until we as a society can acknowledge the impact of personality disorders, we are doomed to repeat the same cycles of abuse - in our politics, our corporations, and in the medical establishment. The doctor mentions that it is understandable that thought leaders would get so defensive when their life’s work is being challenged. No it is not. Empathetic people do not behave this way. There are roughly two camps of physicians - garden variety practitioners and thought leaders. The regular practitioners are burned out by medical practice and just trying to support their families and survive the insanity of medical practice. If they read the studies at all it is uncritically or they are just too burned out to really challenge the expertise hierarchy in medicine. But the moral injury and burnout they suffer from suggests they know something is amiss. The thought leaders are mostly pathological obsessives and narcissists or outright sociopaths. Becoming a thought leader in medicine is so challenging and burdensome that mostly only mentally unhealthy, pathological personalities can make it. That is why they can’t critically evaluate the studies - because they are totally split. You are either with team science - or against it. Medicine has become so selective that it is a breeding ground for pathological personalities. You have to surrender your childhood, get straight As and never make a mistake. We have to ask ourselves - are we selecting for the top 1% of intellect or the top 1% of aberrant personalities? People who were invariably subjected to conditional love by their parents and can only be worthy as a person if they become a thought leader in their field.

[@nandobritto]

My a-hole psychiatrist just shoveled me benzos and I just can't stop now

[@HeartsandLove444]

Thank you. After 20 yrs on been weening off Lexapro for 2.5+ years. Looks like it’s gonna be another year to be fully off. It’s pure hell for a week after each drop down. 😢

[@TAG-1984]

Hope you come off without too many side effects. How many mg were you on?. It’s good to read i’m not crazy for wondering how the slow tapering with drops could still have such an impact. I was on lexapro for 13 years 20mg, tapered it over a period of +/- 2 years. Had my final 1mg droplet a few months ago. Tapered the pills from 20 to 5mg by 2.5mg decrements with a splitter. And the final 5mg with droplets. I hoped that the blunted/numb/filtered reality feelings would leave after coming off, but i don’t feel that it has improved much by quitting.

[@HeartsandLove444]

@@TAG-1984 I was at 20 mg and now at 0.8mg. I use a compound pharmacy at used to drop 10% but now limited to each tenth with is more. I have noticed it’s a bit rougher so dropping maximum every 2 months for now. It’s hard. Good luck to us,

[@KatieLennox]

i was on escitalopram for at least 20 yrs and after they took me off benzos coldvturkey my new provider (np) changed me to viibryd but had me taper off lexapro by taking a half for one wk, then none then start viibryd. i didn't seem to have any additional problems from that just benzo wd from hell. good luck

[@annberlin5811]

Really good people are getting harmed by these drugs

[@singstreetcar5881]

A female pediatrician was giving ECT and she couldn't do her child's elementary homework after ECT. THATS HOW Bad it is

[@kazman_6899]

And these dealers

[@stevekaylor5606]

@@singstreetcar5881 ECT was used in WW1!

[@laurabernas4675]

Also he is right that these medical guild bodies need to be held to account and take a stand. The American Psychiatric Association is in the exact same position. It is willfully ignoring what is a massive public health issue. It is their duty to inform the public and create healthcare that fundamentally helps more than it harms.

[@stevekaylor5606]

What the Mental Health Industry is yet allowed to do to people - also has a very negative effect on the general culture and public weal!

[@KatieLennox]

what do you suggest and who would be good place to start to discuss problem with?? i have no doubt they know quite well but how shoukd ppl act to hold them accountable & where should we report it to ?

[@stevekaylor5606]

Call your State's Mental Health office and speak to someone; write a review and mail him a hardcopy; call him back...@@KatieLennox

[@anacionqtfixo]

it is weird that he isn't against ETC and still defines it as a sledgehammer; that's why I think there is no such a thing as informed consent

[@robertcolman2598]

I wish both Peter Gordon and Josef were as brave as Peter Breggin and Peter Gotzsche

[@stevekaylor5606]

Robert Whitaker, Jim Gottstein, James Davies!

[@stevekaylor5606]

Mental health is the development of a mental + emotional dedication - a cathexis!

[@donquihote6023]

These industries started Advertising these meds on TV in the 90s.. I question if our social woes may correlate?

[@KlausSchwab-uq9sl]

the whole term discontinuation syndrome is a big lie its full blown withdrawal. ive send this to people that are always pushing me to come of my diazepam and methadone and dont understand me. its very helpfull coming from a psychiatrist himself. thank you for this info❤

[@Snowflake1374]

Yes it is a lie. Its devastating full blown withdrawal. Actually its brain injury and neurological injury. Im still in it 1 year off after too fast taper by Dr. Sertraline 17 year use.

[@lesleysears9808]

I wondered why I was feeling so bad when I stopped both Cymbalta and Valium without tapering them. It is six months out and I just now got some feeling in my genitals…. I am having lots of sharp burning 🔥 pains and am fighting anxiety attacks and having a flare of myoclonic seizures intermittently.

[@jboesky8]

What does the Hippocratic Oath say? I will respect the hard-won scientific gains of those physicians in whose steps I walk, and gladly share such knowledge as is mine with those who are to follow. I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures [that] are required, avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment and therapeutic nihilism.

[@stevekaylor5606]

Into the biggest trap of becoming a cash cow!

[@ruthie2222]

It all very well saying people benefit from Medications, but how long does that last before the benefits change and you end up suffering whilst on medication and can’t get off! I was on mine for four years before they stopped working. I felt great and had bounds of energy and was buzzing! Then it all changed and I’m in the process off withdrawals now and it’s not pleasant at all!😢

[@Snowflake1374]

Same. It worked for 5 years but can see afterwords it only worked for 3 years. Then got stuck for 17 years (sicker each year the last 7 years). Then had an adverse reaction and Cold turkeyed by Dr. Worst hell. Now 1 year off, still sick and disabled.

[@iwonab5150]

I firmy have luck when it combra to psychiatrist, they drugged me so bad that i had to be hospitalized

[@stevekaylor5606]

2nd Degree Assault or worse!

[@kheatherNYNJ]

I felt loopy & didnt know what was going on when I stopped Paxil, but I could deal with it. Its the Benzos that have killed me. Its holoc aust withdrawl.

[@YankeeinTexas812]

I have occasional panic attacks especially when I travel and I’m not in my own home. My doctor wants to put me on ssri meds , refuses to prescribe me something that would give me quick relief and want to put me on these meds everyday. I saw what they did to my husband when he got off of them. I don’t want these panic attacks to run my life but I have no idea what to do , I’m supposed to be visiting my daughter again this summer and suffered horrible panic attacks the last time I visited her I ended up in the er and I don’t know what to do..😢

[@AlicjaKarolina]

Hi Jennifer. I also suffer from occasional panic attacks and the best medicine that helps me is Xanax- since I have it I feel much safer as I know that whenever the panic attack gets really bad I can stop it. I am also starting to feel ready for the cognitive-behavioral therapy for panic attacks which is supposed to be quite effective.

[@YankeeinTexas812]

@@AlicjaKarolina I can’t find a doctor that will prescribe them to me. I’ve never been addicted to them but I know that it’s addictive but it’s frustrating that I can’t get any at all, my panic attacks have gotten worse and not sure what to do. I’m glad you’re feeling better I think therapy can possibly help me too. I’m also trying herbal teas and remedies..

[@YankeeinTexas812]

@@AlicjaKarolina my doctor doesn’t prescribe it but I have an appointment for an online doctor that does. 🤞

[@Sara2090-b2l]

Raise your ferritin levels and vit d

[@tatie7604]

It is evil and it is lying and negligence.

[@HuntsvilleFreshClothingCo]

I’m trying to warn ppl one at at time. As an Uber driver, and recovering from benzo and opiate addiction. I’ve seen many different psychiatrists in the SE US. I quit Suboxone after 12 years and Klonopin after almost 20 years. In the beginning, I was in the darkest place in my life. So, I try to let my riders know that benzos/SSRIs/SNRIs are causing a massive problem that nobody in the mainstream media talks about. It’s maddening to me after the trauma it put me through. It taught me a lot about myself and about the mechanism of how these drugs work. Most ppl’s mental health issues in the US are due to poor diets and no exercise but I was NEVER told to do these things by a Dr. I had to find this out on my own with my own due diligence. Thank you 🙏 for your videos! They give me motivation to spread the word! Thanks Josef!

[@kazman_6899]

Why do you think so many people are sold on these drugs? My mother is 65. I grew up in a household where you didn't depend on medicine. I didn't really see this as a conspiratorial thing; more of a generational thing. Now every young person (

[@HFTLH]

It's not just young people...I have older family members on antidepressants, etc. I'm sure there are many factors, but what I see is they have trust in the system and the "authorities", skeptical or ignorant of alternative therapies, history of family trauma. I think a lot of people feel helpless or don't know what to do with their emotions, and they see these drugs as their savior, or at least a socially acceptable way to cope.

[@KatieLennox]

⁠i think it's a sign of the times but the thing is it really goes both ways. it's like a power trip for the prescribers. put you on, take you off, or just refuse to give anything altogether. it's all about their inflated egos and superiority complex not about pt welfare.

[@MariaJose-wr1fm]

I am hurt by paxil too. I understand this doctor, paroxetine almost killed me, I'm not exaggerating when I say that. I have consequences.

[@susanmorgan4151]

Same with me😢❤❤❤

[@susanmorgan4151]

Hope you are doing better ❤

[@patrickm1666]

Can you do a video about being harmed by antipsychotics. I’m struggling with chronic side effects from paliperdone.

[@azerty123qw]

How many patients got a prescription for antidepressants from this psychiatrist?

[@anjonsarker2374]

Impressive

Thank you for doing this! Have you heard of anti-tolerance drugs? E.g. flumazenil to accelerate benzo withdrawal?

[@KatieLennox]

do you take them while on benzos or after going off? thanks i've never heard of this. where are youblocated

[@DopamineDecor]

Duluxetine (Cymbalta) is supposed to be extremely difficult to get off of too. 🤬

[@donquihote6023]

Three issues..... 1st) The Docs are trained to believe and prescribe.. 2nd) They make too much money to kick against the pricks. 3) It challenges their Credibility and that threatens Big Money Wallets

[@KatieLennox]

idk they'll put you on them but my exp has been they randomly and abruptly yank you off them coldvturkey! or i've had md drs say just cut by half mg one wk then same next week so on until you're off. after taking 27 years!!!

[@donquihote6023]

@@KatieLennox Taper slow. I have friends that went through this. I have never seen a withdrawl so painful and protracted. There were Hallucinations, Rage, Anxiety, and illegal behavior uncharactoristic of them. Go slow. Very very slow. Even the Expect signicant unpleasantness, even fine Motorskill impairment, trust of ones own judgement is gone, situational awareness gone, reduced childlike World view, and profound despair and feeling alone, to name a few. All those can come also while on full dose as paradoxal response is common, but only viewed as a persons DISEASE has worsened, Not, the pharma is causing impaired Neurological Function. It is Insidious. The patient loses all credibility labeled extremly Mentally Ill and the Psychiatrists and Pharma remain unscathed. Families Trust and believe the Docs. Unless a person or their Family/Friends recognizes what is happening, the Patient Spirals. Police are not trained to understand what is Happening either.

[@stevekaylor5606]

@@KatieLennox Psychiatrists and many doctors hold onto their status quo - instead of encouraging aesthetic talent training!

[@krzysztof4543]

In my country, no doctor talks about the dangers and SSRIs are announced as the only serious help. Additional psychotherapy is allowed. When one brave journalist told about separate research, they wanted to take her to court.

[@ndestors]

I would be very curious who could have been off antidepressant after been on it more than 15 to 20 years and fully recovered ! Not many I guess.

[@capresti3537]

I been on them 20 years off them 11 years i have not recovered.

[@krzysztof4543]

@@capresti3537 Everyone will say that it is a relapse, but you know that it is not.

[@Raven-si7bm]

The MDMA approval process does not appear to align with Josef’s experience at the FDA.

[@MajICReiki]

6:02 time stamp. Colleagues wouldn't believe me, and say this is a recurrence of your mental health symptoms. (Even though The symptoms were not part of the original issue treated.) Been there, even correcting the Dr, they would like to argue, and they would lose alliance towards me for not agreeing. Your well meaning colleagues were making up your medical history aka lying, to cover for the drug, and TRAINING to promote the safety of the treatments they work with. Imagine if you will, the product was not a medication, But yoga pants for Lululemon? Or selling energy shares for Enron in 2007, or refinancing home mortgages for a large number of lenders then in the US? What if instead of psych-meds it was opiods for the Sacklers. The point is some pyramid schemes are not joined by consent or even awareness. The people at the "sales" level, may fully believe in their product or brands, and the company they represent, and be wholly unaware of what they are truly peddling. Or that they even are the ground sales agent for a larger organization, corporation, or enterprise. Why do Psychiatrists NEED to lie at the point that they are presented with conflicting results by a patient? Unconscious self preservation may be instinctual, but in of itself is a delusion of thinking. More closely reflective of brainwashed responses. When seeing someone, who cannot objectively take the true circumstances and sequence of events, without embellishing or adding their changes to your medical/ symptom history, timeline and lived experiences, then is that person truly operating of sound mind, to be prescribing mind altering drugs to others? It must have been disappointing even disturbing to hear fellow professionals within your field, say no you are wrong, you must be, or to indirectly defend the medication by fabricating the linear sequence of your exhibited symptoms to . I have faced that, "Facts be damned" sort of righteousness, and it is unsettling and can become extremely harmful. Ever want to ask a PhD "Are You Compliant with your oath?" 😅🙃

[@CL-he4jz]

this is part of a huge picture isn't it? I experienced it for the 1st time a few years ago. Millions did. I agree wholeheartedly with your analysis of the pyramid, and the level of awareness at the foot... also the cognitive dissonance as the narrative upholders struggle to keep the rug of their worldview under their feet rather than consider data ( even anecdotal which is after all the basis of any data set and no less valid) with an open mind and alter what they " know" to be true.

[@susanmorgan4151]

Well said!

[@MajICReiki]

@@susanmorgan4151 Thank You,😊 had I attempted to write that 12 years ago, it would have been barely coherent. Some recovery is possible!

[@stevekaylor5606]

@@CL-he4jz Jim Gottstein is pursuing Zyprexa drug effects and their research. Pi Podcast 50!

[@karenboulet9151]

I postulate physicians do know of the negative effects of these drugs but they Do Not Care because of the financial incentives. How can one come to any other conclusion??

[@MajICReiki]

As for psychiatrists, what other function can the perform if not with their script pad? Their entire medical education and career relies on that one skill. If they come to realize there is a madness in their professional process, I realize how daunting that could be. They must be able to remove themselves from the pride of title, to humility of their professional intentions. I am grateful today to see some who have come to a clearer understanding of this, and can discuss the dysfunctions within their field of practice.

[@stevekaylor5606]

@@MajICReiki They accept DSM disease-like labels verbatim - and then tinker around!

[@kristinmeyer489]

44:44 OMG! What's more important to ANYONE than their brain????

[@Snowflake1374]

True. Mine is destroyed after 17 year use SSRI and Cold turkey by Dr.

[@kristinmeyer489]

35:48 There IS an ethical obligation that has been swept over, for the sake of sales. In any other industry, the effects of this culture could'nt be as egregious, for in the NAME of health ONLY are these practices allowed.

[@realnoid]

2005 P-doc’s ‘you’re no longer cost-effective’ ritual: the “we’re still in the dark ages” speech after meds made everything worse 2) Answering machine skips during session 3) His P-doc partner walks past the window like a medicated zombie. Just so I’d go bye bye?

[@stevekaylor5606]

Thomas Szasz was a very good Psychiatric Abolitionist. He worked with Jeffrey A. Schaler!

[@kennyking4980]

Dr.Josef, do you offer 1:1 coaching?

[@janie30]

I wonder why this doctor still tries to defend psychiatry and speaks bad about antipsychiatry when on the other hand the whole inerview confirms again that all the severe problems with psychiatry is true. It was always and still is a harmul pseudoscience, no need to defend this...

[@drcrispyjohnson2242]

He's in denial

[@janie30]

@@drcrispyjohnson2242 absolutely! No need to defend criminals.

[@kareendeveraux1847]

Yeah, in denial. They are inable to stomach all the harm that they cause. The psychy needs to protect itself at all costs. Imagine being actual a decent person and have to face the harm that has been done with your help... suicides, lives wrecked, pssd, brain damage, mass shootings. All because you let yourself get brain washed in university. Those realizations could cause suicides and that's why the psychy protects them from those truths. Survival instinct. Kind of psychosis. Imagine being psychotic and trying to treat people with psychosis... eh, yeah. That's how I see it.

[@drcrispyjohnson2242]

@@kareendeveraux1847 doctors are the dumbest people on earth, brainwashed by pharma marketing departments for decades. They act like they have special knowledge and behave like they are the high priests of medical science.

[@singstreetcar5881]

I feel sorry for him. His profession is a scam and he can't come to terms with it. He is a dr and see how badly his own profession treated him, image how psychiatry would treat a nobody, someone who has no money or power or influence.

[@RM-ti8nf]

Good on you for taking your valid concerns to the public Peter. I hope things go well for you and it was cool to see your cat. My first visit to a psych professional in the late 70s, i was told to stop caffiene and tobacco. Um, doing this didnt help. 8 years later i did get medication which helped greatly. Im lucky, ive had responsive GPs and psychiatrists and meds that i have no doubt kept me alive, although the side effects were difficult.

[@catherine2533]

Numbness, overheating, sweating, tremors so bad I can’t write my name or enjoy my art, my anxiety is elevated, I’m active and eat well yet continue to gain weight, quick to pop a circuit and worse, my friends say how hard it is for them when I “don’t take my meds “. I stoped and slowly started to feel alive. I had severe moments of depression but I’m alive and thriving. Meds have been hell.

[@robertcolman2598]

@@catherine2533 Thank you for sharing this

[@catherine2533]

I must add that my doc was involved with the process. Earthing and mindfulness is a constant practice

[@shaun4443]

SAME, I HAVE BEEN SIX MONTHS OFF ZOLOFT AND STILL LIVING IN HELL!

[@xanthemartin8822]

After 7 months of withdrawal from 3 drugs including Zoloft, I woke up one morning and told my husband that I knew all the drugs were gone. Hang in there and God Bless.

[@shaun4443]

@@xanthemartin8822 Thank you very much, the doctors just gave me Mirtazapine, but I have given it to my mother so I won't take them.

[@susanmorgan4151]

Hang in there. Life is better on the other side. It takes TIME ....a lot of time.❤

[@Snowflake1374]

Dont now if you can heal after 17 years use and Cold turkey. Im 14 months off sertraline. Hope time Will heal as you say… Anyone cold turkey/long term use that got better…??? Im still very bad.

[@robandrews4815]

Why don't I ever hear anything about diet and exercise in these mental health videos. It's all drugs--good or bad. Eating right and exercising really helped my depression. The American diet is full or preservatives, flavor enhancers, and other things. Look on the label of any can and see the list of things I can't even pronounce. You can't build a house on a bad foundation. " A sound mind in a sound body". As the Roman's used to say.

[@Q1776Q]

Remember EVERY SINGLE MASS SHOOTER was on an SSRI or recently removed from an SSRI.

[@ajax700]

Most of them, not all I think. It's incredible what USA society tolerates. Tens of thousands dying in war, by "medical" drugs damage, and modern lifestyle (obesity, depression, anxiety). Evil corporations that own the congress are killing you USA americans. One 9-11 is enough to invade half the world, but all the deaths you auto-inflict to your own citizens are worthless and have no justice. Best wishes.

[@Q1776Q]

@@DrAnnBlakeTracy Thank you for your reply!!!.... I have also studied these shootings....but obviously not to the extent you have......I believe a few were also on other psychiatric drugs ...or recently cut off of them.....

[@horstspreu6946]

Nothing but bold assumptions unless you add sources to prove

[@Q1776Q]

@@horstspreu6946 Prove they do not cause mass murder. Good luck to you... once you do some research it will become very clear to you.

[@Uma921]

I’ve been very curious about this. Can you share a source?

[@Bckhm181]

I do not feel sorry for any psychiatrist. May ALL psychiatrists suffer the SAME side effects as they made Millions of patients suffer! What goes around, comes around!

[@kazman_6899]

Do you reckon they know what they're doing. I mean, what have they needed to withdraw from? Or is it mainly ignorance? Really bad ignorance?

[@HFTLH]

It goes both ways. Patients don't bother to do their own research. Just trust whatever you're told and never question the so-called authorities. At the end of the day both parties need to take responsibility.

[@polashrajkonwar2765]

Absolutely you are right

[@indigobunting2431]

MDs are the worst at stigmatizing, at treating mental illness with disdain.

[@stevekaylor5606]

Give them Due Process!

[@tatie7604]

No, they do pick and choose what they report. Scientists LIE JUST LIKE ANYONE ELSE MAY LIE and for all the same reasons.