Separation of Church and State? Or ‘the wrath of a Holy God’

Alabama Supreme Court Justice Tom Parker drew scrutiny after he invoked the threat of “the wrath of a holy God” in his legal opinion that embryos have the legal rights of children. Parker is a believer in the Christian Nationalist ideology known as the Seven Mountains Mandate which commands followers to control the ‘seven mountains’ of society - including government. An alarming number of prominent GOP figures, including Speaker of the House Mike Johnson, have embraced Christian Nationalist ideas. “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,” wrote the Founders in the First Amendment, but today’s GOP seems bent on tearing down the wall between church and state. University of Miami Law Professor Caroline Mala Corbin joins Ali Velshi on the erosion of the Establishment Clause.
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[@mark-xx1lt]

These people are insane. Get them out of government!!

[@ecurewitz]

Unfortunately, the voters there are equally insane

[@kendexter]

They remind of ISIS and Taliban combined

[@coreyham3753]

It is literally sickening listening to these so called christian hypocrites and charlatans trying to impose their views on everyone else. Whose God are they referring to .. the Hindu deity, the Muslim deity, the Jewish deity, the Aztec deity, or who? Of course not .... it is nothing more than a tiny minority of crazies who are mad for power, control, and imposition of their views on everyone else. Nothing about these wackos is in anyway representative of even christian values or principles.

[@anamariaguadayol2335]

Vote blue 💙

[@user-ic9oq9pj3h]

GET OUT AND VOTE BLUE!!!!!

[@Chisel_Chest]

Too many bible thumpers in government. Keep religion out of politics!

[@coldstonestunners]

Keep government out of religion

[@valfreyaaurora4922]

@@coldstonestunners Government isn't in religion.... all those churches are tax free... they really shouldnt be tho. They get too many civil and governmental benefits. It's abuse of public funds.

[@timothylopez8572]

They aren't christians. They are LUCIFERIANS. Coming in God's name, AS A FALSE PROPHET MUST, to hurt the poor, weak and powerless, usually for money. Calling for "gods wrath", and the second coming of Jesus aka the APOCALYPSE. While idolizing a man who paints himself GOLD, not orange. Maybe we shouldn't give nuclear weapons to people calling for gods wrath and the apocalypse, might use it to fulfill the RAPTURE. Christian Zionists established the state of Israel to fulfill end times prophecy.

[@mile_high_topher]

@@coldstonestunners Tax churches.

[@kurtisengle6256]

@@coldstonestunners That is the same thing.

[@sdix3770]

Never trust a preacher whom tells you how to vote, or a politician whom tells you how to pray.

[@Graeme_Lastname]

Never trust any of them no matter what they tell you.

[@j.z.1876]

Any church that engages in politics should be considered a PAC and not a church, thus losing its tax-exempt status.

[@kenofken9458]

I don't see why they should have that status in the first place. Why should I subsidize other people's religion?

[@jeffc2630]

Take away the tax exemption !

[@corcaightowner8881]

Time to hold funds to these states.

[@ecurewitz]

Those pastors don’t need their mansions and private jets

[@sagesufferswell]

The Mormon "church" is worth over 100,000,000,000 and owns Ensign which also benefits from its exception and defrauds medicaid on top of getting involved in politics, invading public schools and denying people autonomy.

[@Apocalyptic_chick]

@@ecurewitz I agree - neither do the politicians of the United States

[@ecurewitz]

@@Apocalyptic_chick I’ll agree to that too

[@camelsheit_on_the_walls446]

“The biggest threat to America today is not communism, it’s moving America toward a fascist theocracy, and everything that’s happened during the Reagan administration is steering us right down that pipe.” - Frank Zappa, 1986

[@jeffreyenglish1815]

I wish he was here now to give Trump an earful.

[@alswedgin9274]

Fact. It's got to be one huge pipe though.

[@bigtobacco1098]

Communism killed over 100 million last century

[@iiz67]

I'd like to hear Bill Hicks give 'em a what for too.

[@TylerDurden-yk4dh]

@@dixonmopar2129right! It was a mostly peaceful tour with no weapons, or confederate flags waved, or feces smeared on the walls or gallows erected or people killed, or electoral process attacked Mike Pences hung

[@patriciaweber445]

A principle our country was founded on should not be ignored by the far right.

[@ahundredpercentprosperous4222]

And that said, we voters should all ignore the far right in EVERY ELECTION FROM NOW ON! ☑💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙 No dictators, theocrats, or extremists need bother me for my vote.............I only support FREEDOM - NOT FreeDumb! 🌊☑

[@shawnpritchard366]

​@@ahundredpercentprosperous4222 By making this statement you are the very thing you're warning us of.

[@peterdolan-green1017]

We need a separation between cult and state as well.

[@Graeme_Lastname]

Need fully functioning politicians who can apply logic to the facts instead of accepting religion as a *_good idea._* 🤪

[@mikecaetano]

"Keep the church and state forever separate." --Ulysses S. Grant, Sept. 29, 1875

[@winstonsmith6607]

It was funny when Biden spoke at a black church and got heckled for funding aGenocyde

[@bloodlove93]

you forgot that gen z and beyond don't understand the world existed before the year 2000 hahahaha i doubt most even know that mans name.

[@innerlocus]

@@winstonsmith6607 A genocide like making America white again?

[@XZITT]

​@@winstonsmith6607since you can't even spell Genocide. Just wear your red hat and go on STAND IN THE CORNER

[@ecurewitz]

As they should be

[@stueyapstuey4235]

'Tax the churches! Tax the businesses owned by the churches...' as a great man said... back in 1981.

[@91GT347]

That would be the government taxing themselves.

[@stueyapstuey4235]

@@91GT347 yeah -but officially.. in law

[@He_Is4Now]

Very Bad idea that ends up giving Religions and Churches MORE Power. Enforce the Constitution do NOT give Religion more power and say by taxing them.

[@stueyapstuey4235]

@@He_Is4NowHow does taxing businesses held by churches increase the church power? How does taxing donations made to them increase their power? Both moves would make them accountable - literally - for the money they make. If churches wish to remain charities then they should refrain from political interference - including donations to candidates and agitating on social issues. That is what the separation of church and state actually means - church looks after the 'spiritual', the state looks after social welfare etc .

[@user-hi4vo1cn7r]

​@@91GT347No

[@desperateambrose5373]

"My own feeling in the matter is due to my very firm conviction that to put such a motto on coins, or to use it in any kindred manner, not only does no good, but does positive harm, and is in effect irreverence, which comes dangerously close to sacrilege." ~ Theodore Roosevelt

[@ahundredpercentprosperous4222]

I always liked Teddy. They sure don't make R's like that anymore! ☑

[@user-nf6zs4sw7y]

Wise words from a wise man...Teddy would not have been a MAGA Republican

[@leemarkley8496]

From another prior comment : "Thomas Jefferson was asked why he thought the separation.of church and state was so important to him and the founders. He replied "because the lack of (the separation of church and state) has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries". Amen.

[@edwardmiessner6502]

Exactly. Starting with the criminal Constantine who re-invented Christianity as the most favored state religion in 325 CE, thus condemning Europe, Asia Minor, the Levant and North Africa to centuries of bloodshed.

[@wharris7594]

​@@edwardmiessner6502 Lucifer Satan Is The Father Of Lies, Its Interesting That People Can Give More Faith In Mystery Religions Than Jesus, Belief Is Shaped By What Your Mind Is More Open To

[@wharris7594]

The USA was never founded on Christ, it was founded on satanism and secret societies [freemasons, skull and bones] that secretly worship BAAL or YAHBULON [SATAN] in their masonic lodges FYI anyone that want to know just research it JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY TO GOD The Roman Catholic Church Has Never Been The True Worship Of God Roman Catholicism Burned And Crucified The Apostles But The People That Govern The World [Freemasons] They Know God Exists, They Know God Is Real ​​Lucifer Satan Is The Father Of Lies, Its Interesting That People Can Give More Faith In Mystery Religions Than Jesus, Belief Is Shaped By What Your Mind Is More Open To

[@davelaz5582]

True, he did, but then why in the Dec. of Independence did he write that we are endowed with rights from our Creator?

[@florian8599]

@@davelaz5582Christianity and Enlightenment Age Theism informing the concept of "unalienable" equal human dignity and rights.

[@garygone5234]

When you make up a "god," you can make up what it believes, what it thinks, what it wants, and what should be the path for everybody

[@xxxDREADEDxxx]

EXACTLY!!!!!

[@JenniferRusso5]

🎯

[@Mark5mith]

Yeah, you had that and kicked us out, I can see a Gilead if these loons get in, Johnson is worth the watching.

[@jamesvonborcke]

And call anyone that disagrees with their myth-belief "evil" and "demonic."

[@bonniebreckenridge5236]

A god made in their own image. I sincerely hope their karma runs over their dogma!

[@user-zm4qd4yr3t]

"Don't take political advice from a preacher / priest . Don't take religious advice from a politician "

[@ardentynekent2099]

And don't take advice from cult leaders and cons.

[@thomastucker5686]

Let us add, the god idea is completely ridiculous. Those who believe snakes talk and virgins have babies and human resurrections from graves have a serious thinking disorder and cannot tell the difference between fantasy and reality. Those who believe they have magical speech that a caring deity hears might as well be considered lunatics. The god idea lacks merit yet causes so much death and destruction.

[@Sammy.goNavy70]

@@ardentynekent2099 That a good one!😂

[@tommas2674]

I often come to check on the traitors, illegals, criminals, of the commie and worse news networks comments.

[@kevinparker7707]

Well said!!!

[@theresebortzfield188]

No taxes no politics

[@g.d.graham2446]

As a Catholic Democrat, these people sound like radical pastors vs genuine judges 🙄

[@TruthrConsequences]

@@g.d.graham2446 As an Independent Agnostic, I tend to agree.

[@moonkey537]

​@@g.d.graham2446 Christianity is starting to sound a lot like all those other crazy religions in the middle east.

[@Graeme_Lastname]

@@moonkey537They are all crazy. Talking to a magic sky pixie is the definition of crazy. 👻🖖

[@garymountcastle6657]

And now these “People of God” are determining what “god” wants and expects from us. They consider it their sacred duty to make sure we follow what they interpret those dictates to be. Scary stuff.

[@rileycoyote8275]

What God wants is clearly written in His Holy Word.

[@garymountcastle6657]

@@rileycoyote8275 Clearly as in Catholic, Protestant, Baptist, Evangelical, Muslim, Hindu, and I’m sure I’m missing a few but you get the point hopefully.

[@UlexiteTVStoneLexite]

​@@rileycoyote8275yes and it very clearly states in his word that he wants slavery

[@rileycoyote8275]

@@UlexiteTVStoneLexite 🙄 once again, a thing who quotes the Old Testament and thinks it knows what it's talking about.

[@rileycoyote8275]

@@UlexiteTVStoneLexite You should go and gobble down a few bags of Doritos and wash them down with an 18 pack of Bud Light.... You know you want to.

[@Satans_lil_helper]

I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires. Susan B. Anthony

[@pdoylemi]

We have some scientific evidence that may explain that. A study was done using a functional MRI to see what parts of the brain activated when asked questions. People were asked what THEY thought about something, or what someone they know (like a brother) might think, or what "god" would think. For non-believers, the part of the brain used to figure out what another person might think was the same one used to try to figure out what a god might think, and a totally different part activated when asked what they themselves thought. But for believers, the part of the brain that decided what they thought was the same part that decided what god thinks, and the other part only activated when asked what another human might think.

[@GeraldineHinton-kr5bb]

❤

[@thomastucker5686]

The god idea lacks merit and requires a thinking disorder to be forced upon a human. If a human is offered all the possible choices and not forced into the god idea, the god idea looks the most ridiculous against all possibilities. These idiots take it a step further, they know it is their particular god and what it wants from you. Deists are just lack courage to say, of all the possibilities, giving the god idea consideration is quite irrational.

[@mossydog2385]

Thomas Jefferson was asked why he thought the separation.of church and state was so important to him and the founders. He replied "because the lack of (the separation of church and state) has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries". There are religious wars going on today in the middle east and elsewhere, do we want that here? The founders welcomed all faiths here and wanted our government to favor none and to disfavor none.

[@phillipsims2425]

Exactly. We can have religion in govt, but the govt can not push one religion on the people.

[@richardahola692]

Disfavor none is important.

[@rocknouveau8507]

Thomas Jefferson owned human beings and felt okay about it!

[@christopherarner8322]

He didn't say that. He just said the church shouldn't be running the government. Never said God didn't have a place in the government and never said you have a right to be free from religion.

[@iaintnoone]

@@christopherarner8322 Sorry, but I have the right to be free from religion. Yours and everyone else’s. To argue otherwise is insane.

[@fdoe9184]

When some folks say all our troubles started when the took prayers out of schools. My stock answer? Troubles started after they added "under god" in the pledge of allegiance.

[@kathyfoley2364]

Churches can pay their taxes then. And I suggest back taxes also

[@LaurnBedingfield]

With interest

[@WublicIndecency]

1000% agree!

[@orangeofmars2835]

It is incredible that these guys are allowed on the bench at any judicial level.

[@ahundredpercentprosperous4222]

In America the R party insists corporations are people, and embryos are babies. But actual born kids in school are acceptable statistics.

[@stoneageprogrammer432]

"Those who would marry politics with religion must be prepared to reap the whirlwind." -Frank Herbert, The Dune Books

[@rocknouveau8507]

Read Spinoza, or Thomas Paine; not some hack like Frank Hebert, goofy!🥸

[@lindalarson1948]

The great thing about whirlwinds is that they separate the wheat from the chaff.

[@stoneageprogrammer432]

@@lindalarson1948 Yeah, well, you go right ahead and enjoy getting your wheat and chaff separated. But just remember to use a LOT of lube, sweetheart.

[@davebonar1]

Only if they can do it to their benefit like all the democrats do now , right ? What a statement that is. Take all religion or your belief out of the public square so we can have a society like NK, China or Russia. You are a class act and just what Satan is using to destroy people.

[@Graeme_Lastname]

It happened a long time ago and I haven't seen any "whirlwinds".

[@anthonylorenzo214]

If there is no separation of church and state and they want continue to tell us how to make laws in this country I think they should start paying taxes

[@ahundredpercentprosperous4222]

A big AMEN to that! 😂

[@guyrivera3100]

No church in government

[@susancoddington6393]

This country is being destroyed by hypocrites

[@elaineisabelle427]

Exactly and we need to stop it.

[@user-uq4oh6sv5h]

The very minute a church utters one political word it becomes a political entity and should be TAXED.

[@sergeant_salty]

Then how come you aren't calling to tax the black churches that Biden gives campaign speeches in? tax the white churches only?

[@gliberty42]

Indeed, but even taxed they are still dangerous. The two should be kept separate. Never get politics from a religious institution nor religion from a government.

[@zombielife2296]

Why?

[@user-fg5jf4mi6h]

Exactly!!

[@colleenbarcheski3301]

They should pay taxes, now!

[@g.d.graham2446]

As a Catholic Democrat, these people sound like radical pastors vs genuine judges 🙄

[@user-mi2kb3wy5d]

Build the wall, between church and state: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion”

[@Endersgamejp]

Respecting or banning.... They didnt want to give any special privileges to any one religion but they also wanted to allow the free worship thereof.

[@karenritcheydamon8009]

What happens to all the frozen embryos when the IVF centers close? Who will be charged with killing all the 'potential chuldren'? This is insanity.

[@triakis2]

if there's a flood or major power outage, will the utility company (generator failure) board members be up for murder? Alabama, ugh.

[@loganskiwyse7823]

Technically they are already dead by being frozen beyond the point human life can live. When you unfreeze, them you are in a very real sense bringing them back to life or viability and not all make it.

[@alannothnagle]

Or will they all have to be implanted? Will they force immigrant women picked up along the border to become surrogates? I'm sure they're already drawing up plans...

[@ClarityDetermination]

​@@triakis2Nope, the utility has direction to inform all embryo facilities to send all the embryos to his 🏡 house. 😅

[@Richard-od7yd]

The Traitorous Republicans who wanted this of course.

[@italex827]

It really says something when they care more about unborn children than living ones.

[@GotoMaki4Micah]

and they purposely want the parents and children to suffer because then they would feel a need for the god the religious are trying to sell them.

[@demongar2870]

They don't care about the children born to starve in Africa/middle east, just the white fetuese.

[@DrFunk-rk6yl]

Well, it's easier for them because with abortion, all they have to say they don't like it. Living children require actual work.

[@TruthrConsequences]

Well, to be fair... they DO care about the White children that have already been born.

[@GarrFagen-zc3em]

Or, why should my taxes feed my neighbor's kids ?

[@tonisumblin2719]

Throughout the history of the world, atrocities have been committed “in the name of the Lord” That’s why we have separation of church and state.

[@jimmydaigle8892]

In the 20th century the atheists killed more people than any modern religion has in its entire history

[@vidaspence4117]

Again, if churches demand that their values/views be the ruling voice then they should be taxed at a high rate.

[@nancymorrison9978]

Tax the church.

[@kgs2280]

@@HTub-bo2ylWe can tax both at the same time.

[@arlarl5122]

Obviously DON’T TAX religious organizations and individual churches. If you tax the church/religious-worship-services, that would grant due-cause to acknowledge them as services which are entitled to representation in government. They aren’t taxed because they have no rights to representation in government, because it’s explicitly a secular nation. Want tax dollars spent on religious schools and other institutions of religious worship? Start taxing them and see how quickly they qualify for your tax money to fund their services.

[@zeroreyortsed3624]

​@@arlarl5122 you make a bill to tax them AND keep them from public funds. You can do both (maybe not in our political environment, but that would be my solution). At least then people's "tithes" which are just taxes by another name. Could actually be used to help the people. Instead of just paying a glorified kindergarten story teller for nothing.

[@GP-qz6kk]

@arlarl How would it be any different than taxing businesses? What consequences are you warning against specifically?

[@kevinh.9939]

@@arlarl5122 That's not why they aren't taxed.

[@donnapido3824]

People need to learn that their belief system is not the only one, and to respect the secular status of our country and government

[@ahundredpercentprosperous4222]

Oh, if only! "Jesus, protect me from your believers!" 😇✝

[@jefftheriault3914]

The power hunger is insatiable in these organized religions. Especially those based off the Abrahamic strain.

[@Graeme_Lastname]

People need to learn it's all BS and get back to reality.

[@davroscaan1318]

Thank you for covering this, this is the biggest threat to our democracy, country, and freedoms. This country was defined in opposition to theocratic control.

[@gingerredshoes]

"When religion and politics ride in the same cart, the whirlwind follows. " - Dune, Frank Herbert

[@flemlion13]

The US is closer to being the christian equivalent of Iran than I thought

[@dorisaffissio1649]

First Christian prayer in school, then belief that Donnie Trump was sent by God, and next women wear headscarfs.

[@hotspurhema5131]

Yep, and we - your western allies - are watching with a mix of horror and despair.

[@ontaka5997]

Next, no public schools, only private schools for the rich. Then, no voting for women.

[@M.J.212]

What are the negative effects of religious indoctrination? Symptoms include cognitive, affective, functional, and social/cultural issues as well as developmental delays. RTS occurs in response to two-fold trauma: first the prolonged abuse of indoctrination by a controlling religious community, and second the act of leaving the controlling religious community. How religious dogma can impede critical thinking and problem solving? Put simply, religious individuals are less likely to engage logical processes and be less efficient at detecting reasoning conflicts; therefore, they are more likely to take intuitive answers at face value and this impairs performance on intelligence tests.

[@hotspurhema5131]

@@M.J.212 absolutely THIS.

[@Calm3656]

7 mountain backers have already put may religious representatives in the house and senate. Voters clearly need to avoid voting anybody from any party who represent any religion publicly.

[@lauracohen4914]

These extremists, are dangerous.

[@rileycoyote8275]

Leftist extremists are far more dangerous, yet you continue to vote for them.

[@CarolRowe1010]

The reason the Founding Fathers separated Church & State was to protect the Republic from wack jobs like this. The Bible clearly states "judge not lest you be judged!

[@willee5348]

This is exactly why I am literally afraid of these religious groups

[@TruthrConsequences]

Fear them MORE... since they are just waiting for Trump to win before they pull out their guns.

[@johnnyboy81zUP]

All religious groups? Or just the ones you are told to disagree with?

[@spencers4121]

​@@johnnyboy81zUP Personally all of them, to easy to watch people fall for dogma and be swayed by others. Because they believe in something on faith, to be swayed into fundamentalism ideas. Based on that religion, and perform acts of horror on other people. More frighting, when these fundamentalists ignore all writings and history of the founding fathers. And continue to spout off that USA was founded as a Christian nation, or it was their intent.

[@user-iu4wh1zs6t]

Doesn't Alabama have an active death penalty?

[@Graeme_Lastname]

Only if you damage a bible or blaspheme. 🤣

[@twitchell2682]

1770: Our new country will have a seperation of church and state. 1950: lets give a religion a country, but just this one.

[@williamwyckoff2441]

That's a bit like comparing apples to asteroids.

[@shirleyandrews1152]

I read Mother Goose & ESOP’s Fables & get more love & logic from them than I ever did in Sunday school. The hate for others was too much😿 When I want to be with God I go & sit on his earth amongst his trees.🙏

[@razor1uk610]

Indeed so !! Monotheisms usually.has been the more blood thirsty and intolerant of religions, particularly when a sub-sect's Idolatrous leaders and folloers paint themselves as purely the purest of the pure, . . ...Whilst casting vehement insults, abusive allowances, and words of hate & serpentine seditious-ness to threaten others with and espouse power and lustful greeds full of righteous spite & evil thoughts for others within their wilfully blinkered minds of ideological theocratic hellish terrorism

[@MK_Peace]

The religious right is always talking how sacred life is when it pertains to women & unborn fetuses.. but that sanctity never seems to extend to criminals (death penalty), the black community or to anybody on the other side of their guns.. even children.

[@GotoMaki4Micah]

or to the young men they send to war to die, the working homeless poor and their children. or the children that age out of foster care and end up dead on the streets. how religion has held back human progress for centuries including medical discoveries like glasses and antibiotics. they need you to pray and give them money every week. if you can just take your child to the doctor and they get better. that takes god out of the equation. religion is extremely dangerous with how influential and manipulative it is.

[@rileycoyote8275]

You clearly know nothing about people of faith.

[@GotoMaki4Micah]

@@rileycoyote8275 people of faith have started the most wars in human history.

[@RBWilk]

The religious right has never considered women's lives sacred; rather, it has prioritized unborn lives over women's lives.

[@zombielife2296]

Weird that they treat innocent children differently than violent criminals.

[@newstroll982]

Mike Johnson says god spoke to him. That tells me all I need to know.

[@deborahneale7048]

The first European settlers in America were often refuges from a country with an established religion precisely because they were a religious minority and considered blasphemous. THAT is why the 1st ammendment exists.

[@I_am_Lauren]

If a Judge uses that kind of Religious language to justify a ruling, then they aren't fit to be a Judge.

[@KiranasOfRizon]

Whenever you speak to someone who doesn't believe in the separation of church and state, and ask them about the establishment clause, they often seem to be under the impression that it says that "government can't establish a religion". Within the establishment clause, the verb is not "establish". Establishment is a noun. The verb in question is "respecting". Congress shall pass no law *respecting* an establishment of religion. What does the word respect mean in this instance? A simple dictionary definition gives us "have due regard for the feelings, wishes, rights, or traditions of". So no law can be made that has due regard for the feelings, wishes, rights, or traditions of an establishment of religion. This is a simple, plain English, textualist reading of the amendment. Anyone who doesn't believe in the separation of church and state is either illiterate, or does not value our Constitution.

[@gliberty42]

"Respecting" - to be fair - also has a traditional meaning which is roughly like "accepting" or "allowing" - in other words, it says Congress shall not pass any law in which the establishment of religion is considered legitimate. Just a quibble. Agree the main point, which anyone with any knowledge of the founders and the point of the creation of the government knows, is that they wanted to ensure that government stay out of people's practice or not of religion and make no law that infringes into that area.

[@KiranasOfRizon]

@@gliberty42 While that is a valid interpretation of the word respecting in this context, it would be an incredibly roundabout and weird way of writing the law if that was its intended interpretation!

[@gliberty42]

@@KiranasOfRizon would it? I don't know... Despite quibbling I am not sure that my reading is less likely, considering how they tended to write, but also I don't think it changes anything really. I bet my friend Sasha Volokh would have something interesting to say on the subject - as a scholar with historical legal knowledge in this area. @sashavolokh750

[@edwardmiessner6502]

They don't value our constitution. If and when the time comes, they will turn on a dime and stop saying that it was delivered to the framers by none other than Jesus Christ, and start saying that the framers used a Ouija board or some other instrument to invoke Satan and conjured the constitution out of the infernal place. Mark my words!

[@ghostmantagshome-er6pb]

@kiransOfRizon= A.I BOT COMMENT

[@berthabridges3483]

Alabama is one of the Southern states who are refusing EBT summer lunches from the federal government for low-income children whose main source of nutrition are school breakfast and lunches. This program benefits children also of struggling working parents. Everyone gets a summer meal, no questions asked.

[@thomastucker5686]

The god idea destroys what could be normal human brains. The god idea doesn't work without forcing children and poor uneducated adults into it. Only the most gullible fools pretend a god is real. In the south, this thinking disorder is an epidemic.

[@SubvertTheState]

Yes questions. How is that their main source of nutrition? Their single mothers need some attention from the state.

[@ebummper]

​@@SubvertTheStateYes questions. So punish the kid because of the mother's mistakes and or because she's single? Whether it's their main source of nutrition or not I want to get this right You're against feeding the children? Correct?

[@Reason..or..treason-vk6cz]

Incredibly ridiculous that this is even a thing 😮🙈💯🇺🇲🌊

[@jamesnelles4484]

A cool game idea: Is it America or is it Iran? The two theocracies go head to head.

[@oliver_twistor]

Hard to tell sometimes. Islamists usually are big on men growing beards, but that's just about the only difference.

[@robwasilewski9273]

Doesn't Alabama have the death penalty? If they do how can you say all life should be treated equally when you take someone life?

[@SESS_Symbolism]

It's this simple, they are not prolife Christians. They're heretic hypocrites who cherry pick biblical verses which suits their agenda.

[@williamwyckoff2441]

One of the great Republican hypocrisies...but take it further! Healthcare, childcare, education...they don't want to pay for it let alone provide it. They don't care about anything but $$$$$$$$$.

[@dcrom]

I remember waiting for the school bus in the '50s, and heard we now had to add UNDER GOD to the pledge of allegiance. I remember thinking then, at six years old, "uh-oh".

[@nebtheweb8885]

You have Dwite D. Eisenhower administration to thank for adding both _Under God_ to the Pledge, and for _In God We Trust_ on the money. _E Pluribus Unum_ used to be the only motto on money.

[@zombielife2296]

Wow, you must have been a prodigy.😅

[@madelinetanner6159]

That 6-year-old didn't know how our country was formed. You as a grown person should understand and know the history of why America was formed. I feel bad for you

[@slh48]

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[@user-by2nu5bb1y]

Uh-oh indeed, when I was old enough and educated enough to understand the significance.

[@dianebannister4591]

And currently, I heard Trump speaking about restoring Christian prayer in public schools. I disagree with that because public school is not a religious institution. And there are students with various religions and not all Christian. Religion doesn't belong in public schools. Trump is trying to pander to the Evangelicals and Christian Nationalists to get their votes.

[@micheleriley4514]

The statement One Nation under GOD was added in 1954 by President DDE. In the 1950s, the IRS said Churches can file non profit tax exempt. They don't pay Federal Taxes to support the government, but they want me government to support their schools and control what is taught in public schools.

[@trishalamb138]

And the phrase was only added because of the presence of communism in the world, and the perceived threat to our government.

[@walmartramen]

Treaty of Tripoli - "The Treaty is often cited in discussions regarding the role of religion in United States government for a clause in Article 11 of the English language American version which states that "the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."

[@catherinewilliams9680]

If Faith organizations want to participate in politics, then they need to lose their tax exempt status. Tax code 501 specifically states tax exempt organizations cannot participate in political activities.

[@AntonEberhart]

If corporations want to participate in politics, then they should lose their corporate status and be fully taxed.

[@carykalscheuer6429]

Great program! Thank you for putting this on Ali!

[@paulpfeifer2612]

I always thought that separation of church and state was intended to keep religion from ruling our secular lives.

[@tomb5372]

Such a "judge" that blatantly violates the separation of state and religion should be indicted for violating the oath they took to uphold our constitution.

[@billyjoejimbob75]

I was thinking the guy that seems to be making believe he knows the thoughts of an invisible sky genie should either be committed or maybe looked at for treason.

[@kidfox3971]

What do you think of the 49 Muslim countries in the world where you can be arrested or executed for violating Islamic law?

[@MsMindBender]

Isnt there a law that's says killing is illegal? Or just when it suits your needs? A life is a life is a life. When a women's egg comes in contact with a males sperm there is a spark that happens upon contact, the spark of life, a living being.

[@thomashasty2936]

How you feel about what Bidens doing? We should lock him up too? He’s not following the law.

[@billpool1217]

Maybe somebody should just point out that, as an arbiter of facts, he shouldn't be spouting his opinions, which are not based on facts. Religion is an opinion because it is based on nothing factual.

[@susanfrancis5471]

Their beliefs should not be our laws.

[@rileycoyote8275]

And yet Lucifarian beliefs are legal.

[@satanicmicrochipv5656]

​@@rileycoyote8275🐑 Pffft!!! Stupid. Superstition fails.

[@stephaniehampton3525]

Where do you think our inalienable rights come from???.....jeeze

[@AndrewBurbo-zw6pf]

that is exactly what the amendment dictates but we don't have laws against murder just because Moses said so,

[@satanicmicrochipv5656]

@@rileycoyote8275 Pffft!!! Superstition fails.

[@gerade-aus]

We obviously live in a plutocracy, as evidenced by Clarence not recusing himself from the nine judge SC panel dealing with the presidential immunity case.

[@user-ij6vg8xq2r]

You can lead a Christian to knowledge, but you can't make him think.

[@johnedwards2106]

At this point in the year 2024 can we agree that officials from Alabama shouldnt hold the same power as their peers from other states? Alabama isn't living in the same century as the rest of us

[@iaintnoone]

As an Alabamian, I’m okay with that.

[@leannevandekew1996]

Trump told Howard Stern, on air, that he "wished Marla would have taken care of it" He was talking about Marla's pregnancy with his daughter Tiffany.

[@rileycoyote8275]

Receipts or it never happened.

[@leannevandekew1996]

@@rileycoyote8275 Google.

[@leannevandekew1996]

@@rileycoyote8275 The Daily Mail: "'I said, "what are we going to do about this?"': Trump's awkward Howard Stern remarks suggesting he considered ABORTING Tiffany come back to haunt him as he gives historic pro-life speech".

[@Watcher1852]

MY OH MY JUST WHAT IS GOING ON, HOW SAD IS THIS

[@petergibson2318]

I never dreamed that I would be living in 2024 actually listening to debates about "separation of church and state." The American Bible Belt has a well deserved reputation for still living back in the Middle Ages. Hi from Europe.

[@DDinTN]

There are groups working to keep religion out of government. Freedom From Religion Foundation, American Atheists, Secular Coalition for America, American Humanist Association, Secular Student Alliance, and Americans United for Separation of Church and State. Join and/or support them.

[@yayamoviereview3438]

Thanks for putting that out there. I didn't know that but I'm going to check them out. Their voices should definitely be louder. Hopefully they can be louder than the Christian nationalists.

[@jbienduga]

You're saying support religion correct? 👍

[@wharris7594]

It is because the world has had abominations from gene manipulation of embryos before GENESIS 6 when human dna flesh was being altered This is why it is a serious issue Modern science hasnt a clue of the warnings contained in The Bible concerning Genetic Alteration of human embryos to not allow it or do it, that is the lack of morals in modern science technology, being able to do it, but not knowing whether to do it is the fall of the morals

[@franklogue8576]

Atheists make absolutely no sense to me. Is it simply a lack of faith in the God of Abraham? Or any god at all? And if so, then where do atheists believe life began? The very beginning of everything? Is it the, “Big Bang”? Cause that’s already been debunked. Where? I’m genuinely curious and want to understand.

[@kgs2280]

The Satanic Church is doing the same thing, but, contrary to what people immediately think when hearing their name, they do NOT worth Satan. They are all about keeping church and state separate.

[@pamelaannfuller9410]

I love that Ali Velshi allowed the professor to delve into some detail concerning the legal, statutory analysis and the stakes. Too often talk show hosts cut-off the attorney guest for fear that viewers will get frustrated or annoyed if the conversation goes into the weeds. (I do not believe that is true...) One need not be an attorney to understand what is being said... One doesn't need to fully understand every word or comment in order to benefit, follow-along, learn, and find it interesting. The audience is SMART. Great job by Mr. Velshi...Excellent writing and explanation and delivery....and topic selection. Hope MSNBC covers more on these developments (As a tax attorney, I sense that a lot of these groups should not be eligible for their tax exemptions; they are POLITICAL groups--blatant ones...)

[@nancyschiller7043]

Thanks ❤

[@tonisodano5472]

THIS INSANE !!!! We must VOTE BLUE UP & DOWN THE BALLOT !!! They will continue to take our rights !!!!!

[@nancydalton7081]

The Pledge of Aliegence, written in 1892 to mark the 400th anniversary of Columbus's landing, did not contain the words " under God" . These words were inserted in 1954. So the pledge had nothing to do with the Constitution or the founding fathers. I am guessing they were were probably added without the author"s knowledge or permission if he were deceased 1954. I remember having to learn to say the new version. This information should be considered when discussing the Pledge.

[@RevLetaLee]

Thanks for speaking about this Ari. People don't seem to be taking this very seriously and I know from experience, that they are dead serious. Gilead is their goal. This is something people feel mixed emotions about because they are not clear on their religion, nor government and freedom. It is frightening to those who have left those ideas behind but have seen the fervor.

[@ElJorro]

They can't be reasoned with. Only fought. Vote Blue!

[@c.b.-]

If a Christian is trying to muddle government with their faith, aren't they going against what Jesus himself taught? _Mark 12:17_ And Jesus answered and said to them, _“Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.”_

[@qbasicmichael]

Also john 18:36: "Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence."

[@michaelbeavis2632]

Logic is SATANIC. It is HELLISH. It is EVIL. It is COMMUNIST and ATHEIST. It is NOT of CHRIST.

[@oonaghmarguerite6752]

@c.b & @qbasicmiacheal You both have read your Scriptures. Great respect for you & your courage to speak a primary truth. You both quoted Christ Jesus & his requirements for his followers.

[@seansopata5121]

By the chief justices argument, Alabama must do away with the death penalty.

[@anthonylorenzo214]

They should be paying taxes then

[@stoneyll]

It's Alabama. Bet that same judge thinks slavery is mandated in the BuyBull~!

[@MrVillamike]

The common denominator of all gods is their invisibility.

[@crowtrobotsvideochannel6930]

I'd love to know - does the ruling say "Embryos" or does it say "Human Embryos"? I'm sure there are dog embryos out there - sure would be nice to know if they are considered "children."

[@jamoore2581]

This form of Christianity thinks everyone is against them, when in reality, we just dont their laws to govern all citizens. I grew up going to church "religiously". My grandparents were preachers. Jesus doesn't want to force people to the church because faith is determined by what's in your heart not what your forced to follow

[@tracewallace23]

A favorite phrase that encompasses these thoughts is, "You can't have freedom OF religion, without freedom FROM religion" Our founding fathers came from countries with long histories of religious leaderships and the corruption and atrocities that accompany that type of government. They wrote the Constitution and the first amendment fully intending to protect this country from those corruptions and atrocities.

[@randalmiller7952]

I think that the Church would disagree with “God created government”. But bureaucrats will love the idea!

[@BarbaraCarrier-ld9sr]

Save women's rights to choose. Don't let the state control women. Vote BLUE to keep religion out of our government. Vote BLUE to save American democracy and constitution for our children's future.

[@theknifedude1881]

I quit saying The Pledge when Eisenhower threw “Under God” in it early in the Cold War.

[@Anden1]

Tax on Billionaires and churches.

[@hubrisonics9517]

There needs to be a separation between church and hate.

[@devinmcmanus]

To really drive this point home, we need some Muslims to face Mecca and pray before a highschool football game.

[@emilyw3483]

People need to take deductions for all those embryos until they change this. Even if the kids are in other states, there are costs to keeping kids there.

[@ZoeJasper9]

This country was founded on freedom of religion which means separation of church and state the fact that the very people that are responsible for holding up these ideals have not only lost sight of them but are actively working against them is heartbreaking for those of us that understand the meaning of our constitution.

[@michaelbeavis2632]

NOT according to White Republican Jesus.

[@jeffafa3096]

"human life cannot be wrongfully destroyed without incurring the wrath of a holy God" can be applied to soooo many Republican issues too. Think of all the lives they are destroying by enacting anti-abortion laws, or laws banning trans healthcare, or laws forcing children to be apart from their parents at the border... How was this even approved as a valid argument???

[@fionawilson6958]

She enlightened me today. Thank you Ali for having her on.

[@steverobbins4274]

“The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries. [Letter objecting to the use of government land for churches, 1803]” ― James Madison This was specifically because of the religious persecutions and wars in Europe from the Moment Luther nailed his lettyer to the church door. I actually see this happening online. "It should be a law that everyone is christian!" A tweet. They did that in Spain. Those who converted stayed while those who chose not to convert left the country. Those who stayed and converted were suddenly accused of back sliding and put though this little thing called The Spanish Inquisition. Thats just one of the things that simple sentence allows should it become mainstream.

[@glenjohnson5323]

If you want to see what happens when church and state are entangled see Iran.

[@craigdvorkin8955]

Yet a chaplain opens up every congress with a prayer.

[@Kurggen]

IN GOD WE TRUST wasn't on money, coins, until 1864. And wasn't used in other places like stamps and in courts until the 1950s

[@Keemo_Sabe]

A football stadium is not the government.

[@berdeter]

The first amendment should be read knowing history of the time it was written. So many people had just been persecuted by tyrants around the world that claimed their power from god. American founders have been very wise to impose separation of church and state and for good reasons being conservative should include protecting that too.

[@Volf1916]

The judges oppinion would seem to suggest that no legislation could be passed that would be permissable to subvert the personhood of the embryo. Meaning the congress of Alabama has no say. Best to be on the safe side and move such medical practices out of the state.

[@laylac72]

we are not living in the year 1095. this is absolutely unacceptable. NO CHURCH IN POLITICS! ‼️‼️‼️‼️💯