Serious shop talk! Legit Street Cars invades the CAR WIZARD's shop. Citroën blows Alex away!

What happens when two KZbin mechanics talk shop? You've got to see what Alex from Legit Street Cars thinks of several of the cars in the CAR WIZARD's 🧙‍♂️ shop. See what they have to say about a 2006 S65 AMG, 1996 S600, 1998 XK8 and the 1969 Citroën.
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[@LegitStreetCars]

Thanks for having me at the shop. I'm still waking up in the middle of night from horrible ABC nightmares!

[@elliott76]

Nightmares bad.

[@brandonlehman7440]

The Wizard making a KZbin channel was the best idea ever. I watch him more than Hoovie these days honestly.

[@welshrarebit9238]

What’s your point or reason

[@mohnnadmercedes8246]

@@welshrarebit9238 I think he means that car wizard has much more informative content than entertainment content

[@yoregano]

Hoovie seems to have cut back on videos the last year or so and the Wizard puts out twice as many so, yeah, I suppose you do watch more of his than Hoovie's.

[@haroldneely9253]

I find myself skipping hoovie vidios anymore, but I never miss Car Wizard

[@elguatero]

Me too !

[@ronaldspins]

Alex is a KZbin legend .one of my favorite channels

[@daakrolb]

I agree. He is cool. And into a cool topic (Mercedes & keeping them running.) all these people have associations with hoofy, & I can’t stand that.

[@MotownModels]

I met him at a car show once, and yeah, super cool dude

[@joshuagibson2520]

I respect the hell out of Alex. Truly started with nothing. The dream is possible if you're willing to work. Really hard.

[@arvinghasemi4150]

Alex has taught me a lot. If you ever read this Alex thank you

[@mariocooldude9092]

He's a good dude

[@johnvender]

Love Alex's reaction to kick starting the Citroen and watching the suspension go up and down.

[@MikasGarage]

Wizard´s suttle impression to Alex´s reaction is allso pricless. That is exactly what i had when i got to show Citroens party tricks to someone, who never seen anything that wild. :)

[@Tigrisshark]

Yeah, can't wait for Wizard to fix up the DS and get to enjoy the car and showing the fantastic features of it. Hopefully Alex (and Tyler) get to ride in it then.

[@stevemonkey6666]

I have a feeling his biggest reaction was when he saw how easy the heater core was to service....

[@johnvender]

Yeah that was classic too. I think this might have been the smartest cat purchase Car Wizard has made. He got it cheap, found a Citroen guru who can get him parts and help him fix it and in great condition they are are worth a lot more than it cost him and investment in making it perfect. Average asking price seems to be around $50k. And it can't be bad in getting him channel views :)

[@LiLDiddee]

Do you think placing the toilet bowl in front of the Citroen was intentional or just a happy coincidence?

[@brucelovell1346]

Regarding Mercedes ABC problems - I bought my SL600 fully aware of potential ABC issues. I did a fluid flush/filter change when I bought it, but decided I wouldn't put another dime into that system if - make that when - it failed. I made it two years. Pump sprang a big leak. So I converted it to coilovers and added sway bars, very happy with the result. Sure, there's nothing like the ride of a properly working ABC system, but it's really nice to go out for a long drive and not even think about a suspension failure. The ride with coilovers is just what you'd expect from a sporty GT with a conventional suspension.

[@shiftfocus1]

I love the reactions of people who’ve never been exposed to Citroens before. So completely unconventional, utterly brilliant, and able to surprise knowledgeable car guys - and it’s 54 years old!

[@Firebird400]

I heard of them before but never actually seen one aside from this video and yes they are very odd to me . Interesting car all the same

[@hichamsolhi]

My late father had a Citroen DS Super 5 in the beginning of the 70's in Morocco.

[@daviddobeson7509]

Hello from down under in Australia. I have watched the Wizard over the last few years working on American iron and expensive European cars that we rarely see down here. Today's episode is strange in that I have a 1965 Mini Coopers S with "hydrolastic" fluid suspension; like the Citroen and Merc, but without the power pumps. The front fluid "bags" are connected with pipes to the same side back "bag". This allows a "softness" when the front or rear wheel goes over a bump but no sideways lean at all, no matter what speed the corner is taken. This is why they were so successful in rally racing in the 60's. The bags, like in the Merc, were only made for a few years and are now so rare that people fit the "standard" Mini rubber or coil springs when the inevitable leaks occur. Dave D.

[@kentdavies1988]

I can't believe my two favorite KZbin shops are collaborating.

[@claytonbyrd6134]

You have to... you're looking right at it...

[@danielhurley7018]

Its very easy to add a sway bar to the coil spring kits. All you have to do is order the sway bar, sway bar links, and lower control arms from a W220 that had coil springs or airmatic from the factory. Works for W220 and W/C215 cars where ABC has been deleted.

[@Flies2FLL]

I was going to say.....Didn't the non ABC cars come with sway bars?

[@gannicus1026]

The standard S500 & S430 came with "Airmatic" suspension that has sway bars, you are spot on regarding the front, but the rear is where the pain is as you have to drop the subframe to fish in the sway bar. however; it's still not gonna ride as the ABC does cause the replacement coilovers on the market are poor quality and ride horribly regardless the funky ride height. I'm glad that my ABC worked flawlessly until I sold the car ;).

[@realestateeric]

The expensive part about adding swaybars is not the parts, but the labor as it requires dropping the front and rear subframes. Someone needs to invent a swaybar kit that doesn't require dropping the subframe. Perhaps a swaybar that unbolts into various sections?

[@danielhurley7018]

@@realestateeric The rear does have to be dropped but the front does not. Everything is accessible with it in place.

[@realestateeric]

@@danielhurley7018 What about the R230 SL55? That requires a front subframe drop though right?

[@chiplacey256]

The Euro spec Citroens had headlights that turned with the steering. The US spec ones lacked that feature, but could be easily converted with parts from Citroen.

[@trespire]

Agreed, the conversion should be relativly easy. A bit of the pannel work supporting the light cluster would need replacing, but other than that, the DS is already configured to accept all the brackets and leavers to link up the head lights. There is another seperate system that pivots the 2 outer lamps up and down, connected with linkeges to both axle hights. If the car dives, headlamps stay parallel to the road. Simple but effective system.

[@simes888]

Except this is an ID19, not a DS.

[@theclearsounds3911]

@@trespire There are a LOT of parts that need to be replaced (the whole headlamp assembly), and a LOT of parts that need to be bought to do the conversion. It's a lot of work, but definitely possible, if you REALLY want turning and leveling headlights. simes888, you can do it on an ID19; it's really the same car as a DS, just without all the fancy trim and luxury goodies.

[@trespire]

@@simes888 It's clearly a DS. ID's don't have the hydropneomatic suspention.

[@simes888]

@@trespire If you watch Hoovie’s channel where he bought this car, there is a clue there: “Buying this weird 1969 Citroen ID 19 was a total disaster. I am so DUMB!”

[@CS-oe8og]

What an awesome episode guys! Both of you are extremely talented technicians, it’s great to see y’all do another episode! Thank you!

[@stevemueller3705]

Always cool watching two talented mechanics talk with each other.

[@machtschnell7452]

Wizard needs a Citroen SM with the Maserati V6. One of the better Car Wizard videos.

[@michaelheimbrand5424]

Seeing a car guy experience a DS for the first time never gets old. :)

[@cmkelly1965]

Love the cross over episodes, love the Wizard, Alex and Peter!

[@emidiojoao9333]

That's the beauty of the Citroen! Here in Europe and Mozambique we can still see this babies running in the streets. Nice video👌. Cheers from Portugal! ✌️🇵🇹🇲🇿😎

[@enjoyradiosilence]

Always good vids but i chuckled at this part -> "There are none of those available, they're unobtanium" half a second later "I actually found one ..." 😂😂

[@harleycondra291]

Back in the day, my uncle bought an1970 Citroen SM. He was a very well to do lawyer, and could afford to keep it running, but he finally sold it in favor of a Porsche. Citroen had purchased Maserati, so it had a Maserati 170 HP V-6. It also sported a very bold Maserati name plate on the trunk lid. As I recall, he was very proud of it.

[@stephenholland5930]

Scott at Cold War Motors has one, and a couple of DSs.

[@brduj]

SM is a iconic car ... perharps 20 or 30 years in advance on her time

[@adrianhope4796]

These Citroens are much admired in Europe, with good reason. The first of this type was mid 50s I think ; so advanced the and it looks to me like it wears well.

[@narekpapukyan5455]

Awesome collaboration! I love learning how to upgrade and maintain my AMG, and Alex's videos are the absolute best! Not too many detailed videos out there specific to AMG maintenance & upgrades. Thanks Car Wizard! Your channel is a godsend on KZbin!

[@russellhltn1396]

Wait, wait, wait - you're telling you me you can change the heater core without ripping up the dashboard?? MADNESS!! Madness I tell you!!

[@fit_pharmd4830]

STELLAR COLLAB WIZARD. THE CHEMISTRY YOU TWO HAVE IS VERY NOTICEABLE AS IS THE ENTHUSIASM YOU BOTH BRING DURING YOUR CONVERSATIONS! PURE KZbin GOLD!

[@DrRick-dq4bb]

Wizard. You should have shown Alex how to change a tire on the Citroen (LOL!!) and then driving off with 3 wheels!!. That DS21 is hilarious.

[@Fabulousprofound168]

That Citroen continues to not disappoint 👍

[@darylkik6204]

"I definitely wanted to show you the Citroën" said the Wizard. "I definitely want to see that Citroen", said Alex. "Ok, lets go see that Jaguar." Great episode and am already and have been subscribed to both of you for over a year now. (When I have to try so hard to find anything to comment on , then you know how excellent the show is.)

[@mikekovacs8981]

Love the Citroen. Wizard will be like a 70s Harvard Professor driving in that LOL

[@DrRick-dq4bb]

Wizard, your videos are better than ever and just great having Alex visit the Omega Auto Clinic. You should hit 1 million subscribers soon.

[@ocker2000]

I watch both channels. Great to see you both together! Also a good change from Alex's videos with Samcrac. ;)

[@drnumlock]

I love the parts where modern mechanics marvel at the Citröen and it's quirks. They should end up in some compilation.

[@simes888]

Like having to unbolt the rear wing to change a wheel, but not having to use a jack because the suspension will lift the wheel for you!

[@unstablebobgable]

The Car Wizards has the coolest walk on KZbin. I'd love to see a continuous loop video of him just waddling around on his stubby little legs with Pantera's WALK as the background!

[@demetri1651]

😂😂

[@DJackson1232]

are you ok? you post this on every video. wonder if its a bot

[@wolfeadventures]

Waddling. Lol.

[@claytonbyrd6134]

​@@DJackson1232he's got a personalized spam comment for each KZbinr

[@lyfandeth]

A citron is a real thing. A citrus fruit similar to a lemon or lime that grows on trees.

[@Bizija123]

I actually started watching LSC from a Wizard episode a long time ago, when Hoovie sold the CL65 to Alex. Wizard and LSC have become my favorite automotive guys.

[@wilsonlaidlaw]

For many years in the UK, the people who took cine film of horse races to check on infractions of the riding rules, would drive along a cinder track on the inside of the rails of the main course ahead of the horses, used the estate safari versions of the DS, with the 35mm cine cameraman on the roof. Following that they used the also hydraulically suspended CX Safari. My wife had a carbureted CX saloon, which we had endless troubles with, after a fill of really dirty fuel.

[@trespire]

That's too bad about the dirty fuel in the CX. I have 2 now., 1975 CX2000 (club), and 1987 CX25 GTI.

[@Bratfalken]

Remember seeing an Citroën sitting on a rocking ferry trying it's best staying level! :)

[@tosickristian7365]

You can just see him falling in love with the Citroen

[@tlr_shenanigans]

LOVED this collaboration!! Two of my favorite and most educational people on KZbin. Thank you both for the content and knowledge!

[@stangman962]

Great to see you guys collaborating. Car guys love to see that! It’s a community of brothers and some sisters!!!! Love your channels

[@MG-iv3lp]

I am working in automotive development, in different product groups along the years. You can not learn from +100 years of experience, because all the experience is a human thing. Employees are coming an going. There is no experience passing over. Unfortunately the DTC are a regular rule in industry. (Design To Cost) Most of the colleagues of mine don't even care about quality of the final product as long thay are passing the validation tests.

[@trespire]

It now become a fine art to desighn something to fail just out of warranty. It's a tactic to increase parts sales revenue for the company.

[@moyadapne968]

@@trespire Planned obsolescence. First said in 1932.

[@jimrusch22]

Just like appliances.

[@frankyduschek3366]

About the citroen, here in Europe it's called the Goddess The hydraulic systeem is anazing, except when it's broken, it's terrible. Using lhm

[@macstone9719]

It is great that the really nice guys in the youtube car world are somehow connected and do stuff together. 😁😁👍

[@houseofno]

Awesome! I love crossover videos and Alex from LSC is one of the best.

[@philroder4878]

Once again the Citroen steals the show.

[@zburnham]

I noticed the loo behind the guys at around 18:30 and was surprised to find that I wasn't surprised by that. I love this channel.

[@stonepa]

I bought a W240 500SEL new in 1992. Best car i have ever owned. Over 8 years, only regular maintenance and one accumulator bulb. Funny, i used to live in the high rise next to the old downtown Chicago Mercedes dealership at Clark and division . They kept my car healthy for many years.

[@Brimstoneandfire]

Believe me, here in UK and everywhere in Europe this car was far more revolutionary than a Tesla when it was launched. Everything - the brakes (a mushroom button on the floor rather than a pedal), steering and of course suspension were all hydraulics. The roof was fibreglass to save weight. The facelifted cars also had lights that would change direction with the steering. A crazy amount were sold at the Paris Mototshow at launch. The car is, simply one of the most iconic cars ever made. A Dr in my parents home town, Tredegar (South Wales, UK) had one in black back in the 1960s. The problem was it was so different to any other car that when it broke he was a bit stuffed as nobody knew how to fix it!!

[@MikeJohnson-ld9rn]

Great episode with both you and Alex , Wizard!

[@nachtdiertje78]

I must say , i’m a old Citroën lover , i like those cars but i Just can’t afford them , but they are so cool ! Love it that you bought this care !

[@basstor1]

The hydraulic system in the DS is insane. And I believe they sold it to both Mercedes and Rolls-Royce. And you`ll find the same system in the CX and XM models.

[@acd1202]

The gearbox in front of the engine is weird to most eyes but in France from the 60s to the 80s everybody did it, not just Citroën, but Renault and Peugeot also built cars this way.

[@tomkatdj]

If you are going to do a conversion buy the full setup from Germany, these cars all came with standard suspension in various models, with sway bars and excellent handling. The kits sold in the US are garbage……

[@MrBdavis99]

As an ex-Mercedes-Benz dealer tech, the smell of Pentosin CHS11S hydraulic fluid brings back bad memories of servicing those ABC systems. 🥴

[@chaoszombie9995]

It’s amazing how technologically advanced the Citroën DS was.. especially in 1969… I see why Rolls Royce wanted the licensing to use this cars suspension

[@jmsjms296]

The DS came out with that setup in the mid Fifties.

[@jacobdorph816]

Alex's videos on his C65 were understandibly a nightmare for him but today are among his best material, I followed it with keen interest.

[@braxtonnelson7422]

It's always a good day when two of your favorite KZbinrs get together for a video! Especially when they are both gifted mechanics and are so good at explaining what they are doing, and they both have a good sense of humour!

[@Ghost63123]

A friend of mine's father had a Citroen DS 23 Pallas. It was the ultimate DS Citroen. It had a 5 speed gearbox as well. It was the smoothest car ever to ride in. Jay Leno is correct. An amazing car

[@trespire]

The ultimate DS was the 23efi, with fuel injection. If I'm not mistaken, it has 138 bhp. A 5 speed box if a must for long drives.

[@markblanchard2280]

You cannot give us enough on the Citroen DS seeing that you can kick-start a car was just mind-blowing

[@BorisBidjanSaberi11]

I love LegitStreetCars, got to meet him in Chicagoland at a cars and coffee and got to take a photo of our Benz' together... Love to see both your success

[@renaissancegeek]

Crazy to watch this show here in Oregon when I grew up just down Ridge Road and went to school in Sedgwick. I used to drag Newton back in the late 80s/90s, my friend had a 70 Chevelle SS we'd run around in.

[@UnusSedLeo-w5l]

Alex is entertainment. CW is information. Great to have both.

[@waynekaminski5438]

Alex got a once in a lifetime crank start on a Citroen! How cool is that! Thanks for bringing Alex on your channel.

[@briandstephmoore4910]

It's so cool of Alex to help out these small youtubers

[@Chris4mz]

Truly a great collaboration , on a valuable topic for the many MB owners.

[@trespire]

Citroën hydraulics are bullet proof, litrally ( remember De Gaules assasination attempt ! ). Out of all the fancy overly complex mercedes engineering, or any other suspension manufacturer, non even come close to Citroën system. The DS is car of the century for a very good reason.

[@moneyfornothing6208]

Love you wizard, as an aspiring tech I learn a lot from you and your character.

[@williamlloyd3769]

Too funny, Wizard is still getting great use / value from his auction bid / win of AV carts!

[@jonbullock773]

Driving on three wheels was used by Citroen in one of their ads, abo9ut three cars in unison!

[@J_J_Ander]

Now come on guys. My two favorite channels together!!!

[@mynameismikey75]

doug demuro's head would explode with all the quirks and features of the citroen

[@dagabbagool2600]

The Citroen is seriously cool Wizard. I've always wanted one.

[@MrDemetrisK]

Great meeting! Congrats to both for your videos! About the DS headlights euro spec as of Sept'67 had directional headlights.!!! 😯

[@MELLIEbevhills]

Wiz. Great vid. LOve your channel and Legit's. YOu seem so much more relaxed with Alex, not so stiff. ANYWAY, the Citroen is an amazing trick, keep on !

[@yeahnoway111]

Doug Demuro really needs to review the Citroen when its fixed

[@RonV682]

My 2 favorite mechanics on KZbin in one video ! I never miss any of their videos and it’s a rare treat to see these 2 guys together. Both of these men are always full of insight on automobiles and can make us understand how and why we need to keep our vehicles maintained. Thanks to both of you gentlemen for your honesty and sharing your expertise with all of us on KZbin 😊 !

[@noelwest6130]

Great video, funny to watch reaction from an experienced mechanic.

[@sailortristan]

Great to see your personalities complement and reflect on each other. Great approachable technical conversation

[@robstephens]

For anyone hand cranking an engine, need to ensure your thumb is up and not wrapped around the crank in case the engine kicks back as the crank could break your thumb bone and severely injure the thumb joint.

[@tommahnke]

Look up the reason that Charles DeGaulle would only ride in a DS, it saved his life.

[@Mariazellerbahn]

13:30 I remember the Buick 3.8 V6 in the 70's. It had plastic timing chain SPROCKETS. I had a Buick Skyhawk and Oldsmobile Starfire with the same engines and they failed at just five years old. Mind you, the bodywork was also rusted through by then.

[@garage779]

Dude, I loved this episode. Glad to see both of you go through these great cars. Tons of automotive knowledge at work. Keep it up!

[@tedbiernacki376]

Alex as a Mercedes consultant is completely different guy from his channel with his and Peter antics ! Hands folded, looks like he's in Church ! Hope you guys can cross pollinate and pickup some subscribers ! I'm already there !

[@zvakanaka2000]

Citroën had the gearbox ahead of the engine since 1934...... and hydropneumatic appeared first on the rear suspention in 1954. For us, it's very common.....

[@trespire]

The hydropneumatic system first appeared on the rear axle only of late production Traction Avant, as you stated just prior to 1955. The Traction Avant is another ground braking car. Has great handling for getting away from the Gistapo in Paris' tight winding streets !!

[@Melmac481]

Try the CX Pallas, that is soooo comfy to drive and more modern but still as nice!

[@trespire]

The CX has the best ride and handling. But you need the correct tires.

[@wnturck]

Man did I enjoy this!! Two of my favorite car guys!

[@torygyberg8837]

What a great idea to do the walk around and talk shop!

[@Rambogner]

Mercedes ABC, the suspension nobody asked for, nobody needed and nobody wanted

[@IkeVMAX4]

And nobody wants to repair.

[@briangallwey548]

The plastic timing gear problem was only with the 4 litre V8 Jaguar motor. It was retro fitted by Jaguar at no expense to the owner. None of the following V8s featured plastic timing gear.

[@danielroman1899]

I love seeing top G’s like Alex and the Wizard together!

[@joecutro7318]

2 great mechanics, 2 great channels. 1 great collaboration! Thanks for the content guys! Fun stuff.

[@geoffmarsh7986]

Love the reaction to this car, Iconic now in Europe, almost occult following, and much respected.

[@malonemillers4465]

This was one of your EPIC videos as far as teaching the ABC's about M.B. w/Alex!👍

[@malonemillers4465]

If this was a Rock video it would be the collaboration equivalent to the likes of TOOL & GODSMACK!✌🌟✌

[@ackvig]

This video FINALLY did it; made me mark ANY consideration of W220 chassis off my list. I've owned two W140s and was sorely disappointed with the W220 design when it came out. HOWEVER, the late 2006 facelifted versions were CLOSE to what they should've been like from day one. So I always said, "If I ever find the RIGHT W220." But I always grappled with the chassis before it and the chassis after it were both superior to the W220, so WHY would I do it, period. This video finally scared me straight.

[@kris856]

18:20 I literally LOL seeing the background hero :)

[@fullmindstorm]

That Citroen is charming. What a nice piece of history and ingenuity.

[@sewshiestrip]

ABC cars are strictly DIY, and even then you'll spend a ton to keep them on the road. I think their prices reflect that though, and if you can get an AMG ABC for around 10 grand that isn't destroyed, I think it's worth it. They have such a character to them, and when the systems work, they are so enjoyable to drive.

[@franklinpatterson3693]

I keep mine going

[@tonypalmer8940]

Great channel from the uk. Thumbs up. Very honest and non biased

[@HotRod-wv4vm]

Thanks for the video. I remember growing up in NYC seeing Citroens

[@herculesrockefeller8969]

Should cost $80 to fix, costs $1500. German engineering at its finest!

[@randyfitz8310]

Alex is a fun guest; his reactions to your DS are fun! You’d think more ‘car experts’ would be familiar.

[@davidt3563]

Legit Street Cars and The Wizard?!?!?!? BRUH hell yes!!! Definitely check out Legit Street Cars, Alex and Peter are friggin hilarious and amazing.

[@v12smooth82]

My 2004 S600 has the Strutmaster coilovers and it rides a little low upfront but I Kinda dig the raked looked as the rear sits at stock height but it does bounce a little when your just cruising over rougher terrain. Under acceleration it still hunkers down alright :) I bought a front sway bar off the S430 non airmatic. I’m going to buy the lower control arms from the 430 and see if I can add the sway bar to the 600. The 600 lower control arms don’t have the sway bar mounts obviously having ABC. Great video guys :)

[@drifter905]

Great video guys. Great collaboration 👌