SERRAL vs HERO: $42,000 Grand Finals! | Masters Coliseum 7 (Bo9 ZvP)

SERRAL vs HERO: $42,000 Grand Finals! | Masters Coliseum 7 (Bo9 ZvP) - StarCraft 2

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@PiGCasts 10 ай бұрын

SPOILER SHIELD: Will Parting overtake herO as the top Korean Protoss soon? Or will herO hold onto thee #1 KR Protoss title?

@andrewduan5123 10 ай бұрын

Let’s go parting! Need another high level Toss who isn’t quite as unhinged as Hero lol. Hero will always be my fav toss tho…

@fpSmoker 10 ай бұрын

I think so. I ❤PartinG's play style.

@skellskell3772 10 ай бұрын

Harstem is the true goat 🎉

@netghosta 10 ай бұрын

@@skellskell3772 Mana!

@LuisWinckelmann 10 ай бұрын

PartinG will focus on Stormgate i think

@BukovTervicz 10 ай бұрын

The caster knowledge is fantastic

@tbxvividos 10 ай бұрын

It's always great together home from work, sit down with some food to eat, and see a new pig cast waiting for me on top of my feed

@newbiegain117 8 ай бұрын

A slave lifestyle.

@kingsgambit7098 10 ай бұрын

What Serral does is called the snowball effect. You convert your small advantages into much larger ones over time. You can opt for upgrades or more workers by gaining favorable trades. We refer to this as suffocating our opponent in chess. It is very difficult to do because it requires almost flawless technique and a great understanding of the game, but one big blunder and all of your advantage is lost and perhaps even the game.

@erikm9768 9 ай бұрын

So he's patient and he's better, thats what you are saying.

@kingsgambit7098 9 ай бұрын

@erikm9768 I wouldn't necessarily call it patience. He isn't waiting because every minute in an rts is massive. Precise is a more accurate description. The simplest way I can explain it is having a material advantage in chess and just trading pieces into an endgame. You don't need to aim for checkmate or tactics because you already have a better offensive/defensive capability. However, if you drop a piece in that 30 to 50 moves, the game is equal or lost. It can be a very brutal experience. Explains why serral is never satisfied with his performance.

@landshark_8024 10 ай бұрын

1:38:10 Half a league, half a league, Half a league onward, All in the valley of Death scuttled the chunder of roaches “Forward, the Roach Brigade! Charge for the guns!” the queen hissed. Into the valley of Death Shambled the roach chunder. II “Forward, the Roach Brigade!” Was there a Xeno dismayed? Not though the bug knew Someone had blundered. Theirs not to make reply, Theirs not to reason why, Theirs but to do and die. Into the valley of Death Scampered the chunder of roaches. III Stalkers to right of them, Oracles to left of them, Zealots in front of them Volleyed and thundered; Stormed at with lazors and psi-blades, Boldly they scuttled and well, Into the jaws of Death, Into the mouth of hell Skittered bold roaches…

@mbran031 10 ай бұрын

Re-watched this match just to see how a different caster covered game 3. Sweet baby Jesus in a handbasket that was some powerful voodoo in effect to cause a throw that big.

@PiGCasts 10 ай бұрын

Some rough decision making. In hindsight the only conclusion I can come to is herO just assumed their was a 3rd base up way earlier then there was, and really didn't realise how far ahead he was. I think the nydus's got his blood pressure WAY up and he wasn't able to play calm after the earlygame

@Inbal_Feuchtwanger 10 ай бұрын

I see Im not the only one here doing that. I watched it on Harstems cast and wanted to see how Pig casted it.

@Joh00226 10 ай бұрын

@@PiGCastsone thing about the Third game was seralls last nydus. It wasent a try to bust hero but to drag heros air units home, which worked beutifuly

@wedgeantilles8575 10 ай бұрын

Game 3 is absolutly crazy. People are fast to call everything a "throw". But this is the biggest throw I have ever seen in a pro match where both players are rated extremly high. Sure, Serral was the favorite, but it is not like Hero was without a chance to win. (Aligulac had Serral win 75% and Hero 25% IIRC). Loosing game 3 was insane. After this the series was decided in my mind, there was no way that Hero could come after a loss like this. 0:3 instead of a guaranteed 1:2. Well, I wasn't sad, I always love to see Serral win :) And I'll enjoy watching you cast the whole series now. In advance, thank you for casting :)

@PiGCasts 10 ай бұрын

Yeah I don't think he threw on purpose, but definitely massive fumbles on that game

@wedgeantilles8575 10 ай бұрын

@@PiGCasts Yeah, definitly not on purpose. I heard Harstem + Lambo casting and they were completly baffled too. They were joking when he lost a few oracles, because Serral was completly dead. (Lambo was even surprised, Serral didn't leave the game.)

@space_orphan 10 ай бұрын

Even though Aligulac said hero had a 25% chance, I absolutely would have bet in favour of Serral at those odds. I would have personally put the odds at more like 10 to 1. Serral has traditionally matched up very well against aggressive Protosses like hero, and has had more difficulty against macro/efficiency styles like stats, Showtime and Classic (go look at his recent map loss to Reynor on radhuset, or his Gamers8 series vs Classic). His scouting and reactions against Protoss all ins are just perfect, he's soooo hard to break by surprising him with sharp builds and timings and he just ends up ahead.

@bobisated 10 ай бұрын

😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊

@bobisated 10 ай бұрын

@PiGCasts 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊

@tatotato85 10 ай бұрын

To me is looking like if ANY other than Serral wins IEM this time, is going to be a big upset

@marcelbenner993 10 ай бұрын

I see Clem as a reasonable bet... but yeah. Serral looks fucking monstrous lately. Since his loss to Solar in early October, Serral has an over 92% match win rate, continuing his 91% win rate from 2023. This is absolutely ridiculous.

@jameslog3431 10 ай бұрын

Serral;s only problem is similar to Clem which is the unpredictability of mirror match up, when it comes to ZvT and ZvP he's a God & the Goat

@wedgeantilles8575 10 ай бұрын

@@jameslog3431 Lately Serral looked very strong in ZvZ. He destroyed Solar in 2 series in a row, he defeated Reynor decisevly. However, IEM has a lot of good players. And even if you are the favorite in every single game, overall there is a good chance you loose one series. Sure, Serral is by far the player who has the highest probability to win of all players. But if you have to play 4 series and if you are the favorite who wins with 75% every series, you only have a 32% chance to win all 4 series!

@danielfigueredo6994 10 ай бұрын

Man you were sooo right !

@mangstudio585 5 ай бұрын

Game 3 was a Serral masterclass on how to win from behind. He's so damn good

@DanielArturo-r8v 4 ай бұрын

40:45 Hero had the win right there!! And he walked away... What??? 😅 I'm so confused....

@tokudayo 10 ай бұрын

Serral was 10-0 in playoffs before this final 😳

@PiGCasts 10 ай бұрын

I think he must just simulate games in his head at 10x actual gamespeed to be this good. Add a bit of sauna can't hurt either

@mattfarley4996 10 ай бұрын

Zerg is also OP

@คนพเนจรChanel 10 ай бұрын

@@mattfarley4996 I see only with serral solar dark and reynor are OP at zerg. The rest of zerg player cannot be play in this level and in pub rank game, protoss is very op in this time that you can see when hero play againt reynor at final LB 😅

@space_orphan 10 ай бұрын

@@mattfarley4996lol no. Hero smashed the other zergs, and got wrecked my Serral. Even against Reynor, herO should have won most of the games that he lost. He blundered a lot from from a winning positions. Whereas Serral was just better.

@wedgeantilles8575 10 ай бұрын

@@space_orphan Exactly. Against Reynor, it should have been 3:1. Against Serral, he threw only one game, the other wins of Serral were not disputed. And if Maru didn't play this strange in game 5 against Dark, he would have had way better chances to advance too. Remember, after 4 games it was 2:2 - Dark won two games with roaches. And Maru won both games that went nito late game (easily). So in 5th game, all Maru had to do was go for late game. And Dark obviously had to avoid late game. And what build order does Maru choose? The one that is good if the ENEMY is going for late game. A build order, that falls apart if the enemy goes roaches. The one strategy, that netted Dark all the wins. And BIG SURPRISE - Dark went raoches. Of cousre he went. And won the game. Choosing a strategy that would loose to roaches was insanity from Maru. To blaim losses like that on "balance" is crazy. Maybe Terran and Toss should stop throwing games and using insane strategies that are close to forfeiting a game before it even starts. They lack consistency. It has nothing to do with balance. if anything, Terran is too strong in TvZ. But sure, if the Terrans throw their games before they reach late game, well, yeah, then they loose. I am so tired of YT and Reddit who ONLY look at results and decide: The winner has to be imba. Never care about the skill of the players , never care about how the games were played...

@kynigostontheon9560 10 ай бұрын

18:24 OR NOR, HIS RORBOR!!! Ahah I love how Australians speak so much

@B1gLupu 10 ай бұрын

Old man Serral still got it

@ryanwilson5842 10 ай бұрын

Still got it? He's literally had it lol

@ForgottenKnight1 5 ай бұрын

"Still"? - Bro, he's smashing them left and right :)

@Alraithification 10 ай бұрын

Nice cast! Great series!

@switch158 3 ай бұрын

26:40 Im no aussie, but for some reason it feels appropriate that you mispelled it feint-y instead of fainting. (:

@DeathForSk8 10 ай бұрын

Pig was very confused why HerO whiffed so hard in game 3, playing so excessively passive that Serral had time to catch up from his failed all-in. I suggest the explanation that he was quite simply too nervous to think clearly after getting steamrolled so hard in the first 2 games, and also just going up against a guy that many consider the GOAT

@davidas5049 10 ай бұрын

Nice cast pig! Awsome 🙂

@kindenigma4119 6 ай бұрын

You made the first 3 minutes of this alone so intense with info. awesome.

@jonnozomboid2649 10 ай бұрын

Don't feel bad, mate. You are passionate. You are emotionally invested in the game and its champions. But moreover, you a Subject Matter Expert. Your depth of understanding, combined with the experiences, is the reason we all opt to to view your casts. Sometimes it's okay to call it how it is. Honesty is a rare bird. I'm sure Hero had his own rationalisation for his decision choices, but as an objective witness, you are right to question them!

@chibonchibon3967 10 ай бұрын

I watch other casters first but rewatch pigcast because bacon is good for you heart

@chriswoodend2036 10 ай бұрын

Game 3 I'm not sure Serral won as much as Hero lost.

@anthonylaine6111 10 ай бұрын

Normalement héros gagne à la 8e minute... Mais il a préféré attendre ..... Mauvaise idée surtout contre le God OFF WAR de StarCraft 2❤❤

@Zamiroh 10 ай бұрын

I must like watching serral play because i watched rotti last night and now pig today lol

@erikm9768 9 ай бұрын

GG! Amazing casting

@luminelin 7 ай бұрын

How about disruptors or storms for first game?

@wedgeantilles8575 10 ай бұрын

01:04:00 - afaik this is called "Lowko maneuver"

@spacestormspacemansuzi7296 10 ай бұрын

Pig! I had a dream about you, I was playing you in a game of sc2, it was a 1v1 and it was lan, my 1 year old son was there screaming his head off and you were there chilin giving me some tips on how to calm him down, meanwhile I'm there trying to read the in game menu trying to find which building is the gateway knowing that each second that goes by is another second to my demises, it was a extremely stressful dream. When I woke up I had a little talk with myself, saying "sleep time is for resting and to be away from stress"

@monferaigne5061 10 ай бұрын

Game 6 Hero attacked Serral almost nonstop using his Stalkers and few Oracles. However, Serral stood firm on his ground and counter attack hero by sending zerglings to destroy his economy, little by little until hero notice he's out of eco and serral finish him with ultralisk! Great tactics by Serral. I think the problem is hero keeps attacking serral without any accomplished. While Serral's counterattack gave him a victory on eco.

@tungnse 6 ай бұрын

Hero is an emotion-driven player. He let his emotion control his decioson, and aims for flashy plays rather than effectiveness, that's why he's overrrated.

@Xenozoology 10 ай бұрын

When Her O pulled that move with his stalkers to get the brood lords, and the bane/ zerglings roll in, punishing him for it... I doubted the validity of this game xD. Wouldn't that have been something a pro would have known? Playing for years?

@SeandeDios 10 ай бұрын

1:02:30 i laughed too loudly to this one

@allanshpeley4284 10 ай бұрын

I'm a native English speaker and had never heard the word "feint" before. I had, however, heard "feign" many times so I figured Pig must have meant that. I looked it up. It turns out both are valid words with very similar meanings. I wonder if "feint" is used more often in Australian and British English.

@PiGCasts 10 ай бұрын

yeah feigning doesn't sound exactly like "fainting" so probably should use that more

@AndrewBackhouse1 9 ай бұрын

Feint is actually more accurate here in my understanding. Feign is like an animal pretending to be dead. Feint usually involves movement.

@NHGeneral 9 ай бұрын

Why Protoss players don't use Disruptor to counter baneling?

@michaelthorne4252 5 ай бұрын

They should change the serral's nickname to the dream killer because thats really what he does. I'm sure some of the pros have had nightmares about him

@Markfr0mCanada 10 ай бұрын

I'm glad for how game 3 started. After game 2 I was thinking that this is why I really don't enjoy Serral games as much. Sure he's damn good at the game, but he seems allergic to fun. If game 3 had been another standard opener I was going to tap. So thanks Serral! Game 3 was fun to watch.

@mauromattei9779 10 ай бұрын

Serral is in a period of grace. Seems to me to have abandoned certain somewhat predictable mechanisms. Among the rest I see new Protoss openings. These in normal games seem to work well (Hero Mana) Then comes Serral and end of the play....

@kobe24OBCity 10 ай бұрын

Game three is the best game of serrals career. In the sense that by taking away the “serral is only mechanically good” with the Zerg being op argument (which i think the latter has some merit), and having him be on (somewhat) equal footing with hero, he strategically outplayed his opponent and came back to win in a lost position. I was a serral doubter before this, but now…how can you take anything way from the dude.

@panzfaust9812 10 ай бұрын

To me serral is good because very consistent and makes less mistakes despite pressure

@jakesstatefarm 10 ай бұрын

Hero trying to get scouted to play as an MLB pitcher he threw that game 3 so hard

@PiGCasts 10 ай бұрын

lmao

@ebadathar5066 10 ай бұрын

Game 3 is great answer to those annoying sc2 players back in the day who used to say "if i had 350 apm i would be a god in starcraft." Desicion making and strategy are often more important than just being able to play fast!

@edan2629 10 ай бұрын

that game 3, heart ache....

@astrithaurelia 10 ай бұрын

Hero should get into baseball... with these throws he'd make a great pitcher

@SnegovikZagoraet 7 ай бұрын

when you are in an MMA fight and other guy is stunned. if your background in BJJ or wrestling, you do take them down for submission or ground and pound (Olivera, Islam, Habib, Chimaev few examples). Bad analogy ;)

@PiGCasts 7 ай бұрын

if you've got a big advantage in the grappling 100%. Man have we seen a lot of fights where guys with average wrestling and BJJ decide to start grappling and give the other guy time to recover when keeping it on the feet should lead to an easy finish

@whatevermeh776 5 ай бұрын

Sorry guys! Hero had to poo a couple minutes into game 3 and I stepped in for him. My b!

@marquinocompaniados5099 10 ай бұрын

Haha Serral is in the head of Hero. His been cripple multiple games psychologicaly. 😂

@connermckinnon5520 10 ай бұрын

I always wondered what "Feint Attack" meant from Pokemon. Thanks for the info! :D

@D92_Will_O.G 10 ай бұрын

Im glad there still are tounies

@fpSmoker 10 ай бұрын

Damn.. Hero looks like the Cowboys in the playoffs. Hate to see it because I am a fan of both Hero... and the Cowboys...

@AdmiralBison 9 ай бұрын

Serral haters: - You're winning too much! - You're not GOAT you're not winning enough. - Zerg OP and not your skills.

@tungnse 6 ай бұрын

To serral, hero is just a nice, little kid. Serral completely cut Hero's balls, fixed him into a woman after 2 games. You can see hero in game 3 was kind of a coward.

@deathloader4308 10 ай бұрын

No archon when corruptor is out? why all protoss player didn't realize need for archons versus zerg?

@Nomadsc2 10 ай бұрын

Heros still washed 😮‍💨... i hope he comes back one day, hero has the coolest play style

@pierrehedelin8611 10 ай бұрын

thx

@sammoreton333 9 ай бұрын

Ok so game three has to either be a medical issue like a migraine or panic attack for the loser or it’s match fixing…the level of play was like diamond level…so many things just didn’t make any sense…like made at least ten choices that were just inconceivable for a pro player

@milan6439 9 ай бұрын

The guy is leading 2:0 and you are saying he has zero chance in the 3rd game, come on. We are talking about one of the best players ever.

@RomOne59 10 ай бұрын

You know who win when you know race are broken

@simnordman9053 5 ай бұрын

Unstopable Serral

@달림이-q2i 9 ай бұрын

Serral : hero? So ez

@joesligo1516 10 ай бұрын

I love all the knowledge and attention to detail but by your own admission the fixation on the mistakes is a little distracting sometimes.

@ericschneider8565 10 ай бұрын

Always hatin on hero haha

@HearstPhilip-y8f 3 ай бұрын

Bailey Burgs

@austinlaing9012 8 ай бұрын

Serral is obviously best in the world but Zerg is so op lol. Remax ling rofl.

@casey_Shiner 10 ай бұрын

Nice.

@ElliottMccant-f6j 3 ай бұрын

Shyann Estates

@ohmyonionpie 10 ай бұрын

HERO PLEASE STOP MAKING CARRIERS!!

@D92_Will_O.G 10 ай бұрын

So pog

@Andyusa11 10 ай бұрын

Zerg won again I mean Serral

@HughZenobia-v9j 3 ай бұрын

Isaac Garden

@FredSchlesselman-d4n 3 ай бұрын

Boyle Mount

@RobbinDubray-s1g 3 ай бұрын

Mossie Meadow

@harogaston 10 ай бұрын

Game readability is very low in this game, units are very hard to differentiate or pin point, terrain is over detailed for a RTS. Upgrades should be listed permanently for caster view. Very weird that such a popular game has very obvious short comings still.

@Lerppunen 10 ай бұрын

I think most high level players play with low graphics so it’s clearer to see.

@dimat86 10 ай бұрын

Such a dissapointing performance from Hero. That GSL was an accident.

@husman2368 10 ай бұрын

Such a braindead take lmao beats all the best zergs in this tournament including the gamers8 champ lol. Give a Korean a week to prep and it's a different ball game lmao.

@space_orphan 10 ай бұрын

Lolwut. Gsl is a Korean tournament. Hero was top Korean here. Doesn't that make him the best Korean? Shouldn't that mean he SHOULD be winning gsl? Your comment makes no sense.

@dimat86 10 ай бұрын

If almost loosing 5-0 and I would say fearfully is not disappointing, I don't know what is. It felt like he was intimidated by Serral.

@lashermelquiades7965 10 ай бұрын

Serial still looking too strong. Zergs needs a few more nerfs.

@Tonius126 10 ай бұрын

Protoss needs a buff more like.

@space_orphan 10 ай бұрын

Just because one player is way better than the others doesn't mean their race needs a nerf. It just means that one player is really good. Nobody else can do what Serral does. Not even close.

@someguy7474 10 ай бұрын

so after hero beat dark and reynor protoss didn't need nerfs either?

@wedgeantilles8575 10 ай бұрын

Yeah, we can't have the best player winning stuff, can we? We need to nerf his race to a point that second rate players (compared to him) win. But maybe you were sarcastic.

@AdmiralBison 9 ай бұрын

Serral is too strong so all other Zerg players have to suffer more nerfs. 🤣 How many nerfs have Zerg gotten since Serral arrived on the scene? I don't think any will be enough until Serral never reaches any quarter finals to satisfy Serral haters.

@levnzt6949 10 ай бұрын

Regarding game 3. soooo..How do we know this wasn't fixed? I mean those mistakes were was just uncreative and on par with Gold-League-Gaming. 20 Cannons after an obvious advantage? taking the exact(!) wrong decisions despite controlling the whole map? These decisions weren't like taking the wrong turn but stopping on the street, climbing on the cars roof and putting ones underwear over the head, shouting: I'm going all in now!". This kind of sudden, incomprehensible decisionmaking activates the same pattern alarm in my fake detector as in all the other fixed games. I'm sorry to childishly escalate this way, but bither this or Hero has had sporadic micro-strokes.

@ottokarl5427 10 ай бұрын

Why would you fix a game that is in the middle of a Bo9 and you aren't even the favorite, so bets will usually be not in your favor?

@someguy7474 10 ай бұрын

no sane human being would fix a match as an underdog in the grand finals of a tournament lmao

@jordanpennington2599 7 ай бұрын

Serral is the best, but Zerg is insanely OP.

@kevincline2589 10 ай бұрын

Wow... game 3... Hero sux

@throughsoul 10 ай бұрын

I am DONE with Hero. FFS. GD. JC. MF. WTF?

@KoganeNoYubi 7 ай бұрын

ur commet sucks, because one knows you know exactly what happens and try to sound smart pre action

@lazybullitz3821 10 ай бұрын

Please please please please please turn off hp on every unit going forward. I beg of you please. Love watching your casts. Not watching green dots run around the map. Please please please

@10manan 10 ай бұрын

I am sick and tired of watch serral destroy everyone. There is no point watching serral games. It is painful. I hate him so much

@danielfigueredo6994 10 ай бұрын

He’s way better than the other players. More consistent as well. He seems to be the ultimate GOAT along with Maru, in this game. There’s no reason to hate any of them.

@alejandrobarrio8731 10 ай бұрын

@@danielfigueredo6994 put in the same bag the best player and the OP race and you have Serrals dominance. Strangelly there are more nerfs to Terran and Protoss

@andrewduan5123 10 ай бұрын

@@alejandrobarrio8731last patch was literally just Zerg nerfs and Terran buffs. Cope

@alejandrobarrio8731 10 ай бұрын

@@andrewduan5123 yes that's true. And it's better balanced now. At least there are some options for Toss to compete. But zergs are still the best race in PRO Leagues.

@marcelbenner993 10 ай бұрын

@@danielfigueredo6994 About this GOAT debate: - There is a player who achieved the Triple Crown twice, which only 2 other players achieved. - There is a player who has the highest win rate vs Korean players in 5 years out of 13 StarCraft2 years (2018, 2019, 2020, 2022, 2023). - There is a player who won the world championship twice (most wins among two others) - There is a player who holds the longest winning streak against at least Top 100 players (47 consecutive wins) - There is a player who holds the longest winning streak against top Koreans (19 consecutive wins; achieved 2 times) - There is a player who achieved an over 90% match win rate in a year (2023) overall - which no one else ever achieved - There is a player who achieved an over 73% (73,24%) game win rate in a year (2023) vs Koreans - which no one else ever achieved (closest is Serral with 69,86% in 2018 and Maru’s 69,44% also in 2023). - There is a player who achieved an over 85% (!!!!) match win rate in three years (2018, 2020, 2023) vs Koreans. The next best other player being Maru with 78% in 2023 and herO with 74% in 2017. - There is a player who has by far the most Premier Tournaments wins with top Korean Participation (15) and overall (23) - There is a player who has NO negative win rate vs ANY pro player since his first Premier Tournament win in 2015 which he played on a regular basis (at least 10 games) - which no one else ever achieved Here are these player’s records against these top Koreans (wins:Korean player wins: draws): vs Maru: 13:4:2 vs Dark: 8:5:1 vs GuMiho: 10:4:0 vs Solar: 16:7:1 vs Cure: 17:3:0 vs ByuN: 12:5:0 vs Classic: 8:2:0 vs Bunny: 9:2:0 vs stats: 9:4:0 vs soO: 8:4:0 vs Innovation: 16:8:0 vs Rogue: 8:7:0 vs Trap: 14:3:0 vs Zest: 10:5:0 That player has been so dominant since his rise to the top in 2018 in Seoul that he won more tournaments - with participation of the best Koreans in the world - in 6 years of playing StarCraft 2 than all players who have been present among the top players for much longer. That player is Serral. I have no idea how anyone can deny that Serral is the GOAT of StarCraft 2. Not one player comes even close to such a dominance over such a long period of time while at the same time amassing more important trophies in less time than anyone else. Serral's win rate vs his weakest matchup (Zerg) is higher than most pro's overall win rates. To anyone arguing flash = SC2 GOAT: Flash never had win rates that even come close to Serral's and had lower win rates than Innovation at time. He also was only present in SC2 for around 2 years. He definitely is the SC GOAT though. To anyone arguing Innovation/Maru: These two both failed to show up on the really big stages. Maru only ever got a 2nd place at Worlds with his 2023 defeat against Oliveira.. He didn’t do what sOs, ROgue or Serral did: Go to a big stage, where the best of the world compete and win. The same is true for Innovation. Both Maru and him falter when competition from outside of Korea is present/when the big stage calls. Also both have lower win rates vs the top players and less achievements. To anyone arguing sOs: sOs, who is a 2 time world champion, only has 5 premier tournament wins. If you consider Rogue and Serral, who also are in the debate, sOs falls short. The same holds true as for Innovation and Maru. Less achievements, less dominance. Rogue has won 11 premier tournaments from 2017 to 2022. He, as well as Serral, won 2 Worlds. Now let’s bring Serral into the equation. Out of his 23 premier tournament wins which span from 2018 to 2023, 18 are with Korean participation, Serral won 2 World Championships. Him and Rogue in my opinion are the only two players who are consistent and showed up when the best of the world are present. They have achieved similar high end feats. BUT: Serral has way more Premier Tournament wins (with Korean participation and yet even more without) and was more dominant in his win rates and records versus other Korean players. To people arguing that Serral never won a GSL. So what? He played the best of the best from GSL and defeated them time and again (see record vs these players and overall win rate vs Koreans above). Does anyone seriously believe Serral would not have won the GSL if he was born Korean? And at the same taking Premier titles away from players who now claim them? If anything, Serral's dominance would have been EVEN MORE apparent. Plus Serral even went to Korea twice and both times won the GSL vs Worlds where the best of the GSL participated. That argument sounds a little bit like this: Real Madrid (Serral) who defeated all Premier League teams (Chelsea, Man City, Liverpool etc.) in the Champions League (GSL vs World, World Championship, etc.) is not better than Liverpool because it never played in the Premier League. The argument is absurd. The Premier League (Korea) sends its best teams (Maru, Dark, Rogue) to the Champions League (GSL vs World, World Championship, etc.) and these best teams get beaten by Madrid (Serral). No one in their right mind would argue that Madrid isn’t the best team in the world, simply because it didn't play versus Wolverhampton. Anyways, these are my thoughts. Share stats, if you disagree.