THE NORTH FACE Flight Vectiv + Running YouTuber Affiliate Link Accountability

[@kenzieread5087]

I love the new I intro the quality of content is incredible compared to what it was you deserve so many views I love your energy too! love from the 🇬🇧

[@Antonio-xw3zr]

Just ordered a pair of Hoka Mach 4’s after checking running warehouse every day for about three months. They are up for preorder if any of you did not know.

[@TheeStig1]

QD: I’ll be using the Salomon S/Lab Ultra 3. I really like the fit of the upper and the density of the midsole. I feel fast and protected in it. Excited to hear your thoughts on it Seth.

[@mattdenbesten5021]

Hey Seth! For what it's worth, I've put 50+ miles in Flight VECTIV in both 11.5 (my size), as well as half size down. I experienced the same heel slippage in 11.5's, but ran Bandera 100k last month in 11's with no issues at all. They were fantastic!

[@stevestarr9769]

Seth, I completely respect your reviews as well as Eddbud, Emily's, FOD Runner, and a few others. I ignore the "reviews" from Running Warehouse because those aren't reviews--they are short promotional videos. Keep up the good work!

[@cb4atl]

:QOD: Hoka EVO Speedgoats, baby. Best trail shoe ever made.

[@mikowhy9608]

What's the difference between EVO and the standard Speedboat? (for you) I never tried a Hoka.

[@cb4atl]

@@mikowhy9608 EVO is lighter and less "beefy" all around. Similar stack height, has the kevlar Matryx upper that I love, it's super light and breathable, less padding in the collar and more flexible. LEGENDARY laces. It was built as the "perfect" racing shoe for Western States and Walmsley wore it break the course record. It's the ultimate ultra-racing shoe to me!

[@stephenbent2053]

Good morning from Ontario! Back to work today and back to AM runs!

[@landyncb8751]

Drive safe with all the snow we got last night!

[@stephenbent2053]

@@landyncb8751 Thanks! Hardest part was shoveling out of my driveway post run! 🤣 roads weren't too bad in Grey-Bruce

[@davidgross7972]

Yeah me too. I was supposed to go in to work today but my street is not plowed and no way will my Jetta plow through it. So I am working from home 😉(in Ancaster ON).

[@landyncb8751]

@@davidgross7972 school was cancelled for me 😏 (Burlington, ON)

[@dazdarren9926]

Thanks for the honest review Seth. The other reviews have been very frothy on this shoe and I appreciate an honest review that points out its drawbacks with the heal counter. I agree that the EVO Speedgoat is a solid choice

[@ctransdell544]

Going to race a 50K in the summer and 50 miler near the end of the year, and will likely use the Hoka Challenger 6. Enjoyed the 5, and am a Clifton superfan, so will be looking forward to giving them a shot. Maybe the Stinson too...

[@philippegagne268]

Agree! I’ve put in 400 miles/600k in my atr 5. Might get the 6 for an upcoming 50k in may. Or use the Speed goat 4...

[@onespotlessmind23]

I think I'm going to use the Salomon S/Lab Ultra 3. Is there a review coming for these? Thanks, Seth!

[@jamesotto7884]

New intro!!! Frrrrrresh!!!!!!

[@TheDeterminedRunner]

I've been enjoying mine, the heel is a little strange but I've not had slipping, I thought it would as there is a small gap at the top but whilst running I've not had an issue 👍🏃

[@rjm9424]

Those shoes look like the Jordan 4’s! 😂

[@prod1gy305]

That’s exactly what I thought. I kinda of want to wear these as casual shoes just because they look so nice 😂

[@Trailrunner1978]

You can take fadeaways on the trail, or have it as commuter shoe from trail to basketballcourt. 😂😂😂❤️❤️❤️

[@SethJamesDeMoor]

hahaha

[@StrawNonHuman]

DAMN! IT DOES!!! A black cement or infared would be fire!!

[@petermuller6903]

Don't forget, Pau Capell, UTMB winner and record holder and Ultra Trail World Tour winner runs for The North Face. I will use the Hoka Speedgoat 2, 3, Evo, Salomon S/LAB Sense 7 and the 8 SG, the Sense Ride 2, as well as the Hoka Torrent 1 and La Sportiva Helius SR 1, GREETINGS FROM SALZBURG/AUSTRIA!!!

[@trainwellracewell]

I had a pair of North Face trail shoes back in 2009-2010 which were great. Those were the days when they partnered with the company that makes the BOA lacing system which I loved. The little dial in the heal area could be clicked to precisely the tightness you wanted

[@Run4un]

QOD: Inov-8 X-Talon G210. Too fun to not use.🤙

[@abeunderhill]

QD: Saucony Peregrine 10. Would prefer something with a bit more cushion -my eyes are on a pair of speedgoats soon- but the traction of the peregrine has been excellent and they fit me well. Saucony's FormFit ftw!

[@TrailrunnerTroy]

Inov-8 Terraultra G 270 remains a go-to choice for up to 50 K. Next month I’ll defy convention - and leave my EVO Speedgoats behind - with a 100-miler in the Craft CTM Carbon Ultra

[@matthewdanheiser7542]

Salomon speeed cross for east coast technical trails . Lots of rocks over here !

[@bourbon_hound]

same!

[@demarionfarmer504]

QOD: Brooks cascadia 15(50 miler)

[@bourbon_hound]

Salomon Speedcross 4 - I have no idea why no one reviews this shoe. I've had 4 pairs and I race all my 50K-100K trail races in this shoe, easily my favorite.

[@davidmusil4145]

The grip is incredible, but they were super narrow and my fingers always ended up bleeding. Also got blisters on my heels. Had to sell it after 50km of running.

[@mikowhy9608]

@@davidmusil4145 not sure how, but my feet like them a lot. Version 5 became larger, it simply has grown a half size, so I like it even more. Still, I come back to SC4 often - I can feel the difference but it was never snug enough to hurt my toes. I guess your shoes were way too small (I might still be wrong - maybe Salomon makes big sizes too narrow?)

[@johnny_fiv3]

GOOD MORNING! Although not running those distances , yet, I have the Hoka Torrent 2 lined up for first race of the year, early April. XC 6k club race here in NJ. Very slippery almost greasy muddy trail very low lying and shaded by trees. I have also been considering picking up an inov-8 option if it is a very wet spring, which it seems like it will be. We will see. I have put many miles into the torrent 2 and like it more than the Hoka speed goat GTX. I think the upper of the GTX version is a bit stiff. It may loosen up with more wear. It's probably just the extra gore tex material making it that way.

[@alexbulat6572]

Evo’s always.... I use them as a daily shoe and race shoe...have a couple of pairs to rotate. Amazing shoe and durability, the oldest pair just went over 900km...and still performing.

[@Michael-hc3ft]

Will be using the Altra Olympus 4 this year for trail marathons and ultras and Kigers for distances less than the marathon.

[@amypond9398]

Ohh nice new intro segment, just noticed

[@fuzzyduckize]

@sethjamesdemoor, vlog idea: guide to lug depth on trail shoes! How do I match up the depth to the trail conditions I plan on running? Wet/dry trails? Rocky, gravel, smooth single track? It’s a lot to consider when looking at new trail shoes!

[@patrickvanderwal6324]

QD: EVO Speedgoat for sure! Otherwise the La Sportiva Akasha.

[@demarionfarmer504]

Just bought a pair yeaterday

[@emfritz82]

QD: If I were to do a half marathon, it would be Hoka Torrent. Anything longer (like my 50k and 50m that I'm racing this year), HOKA EVO Speedgoat without a doubt! It's been my favorite trail shoe, hands-down.

[@thomashayes9961]

Picked up a pair of the other 2 North Face Shoes Enduris and Infinite. Have really been enjoying both of them. The Enduris has a higher stack and you can feel the push from the plate quite a bit.

[@davidgross7972]

I may use my Hoka Challenger ATR5's but they are a bit tight on my forefoot. Hope to upgrade to the Speedgoat 4 wide this year.

[@quirckybaldguy]

QD: it depends! Right now it's between the Hoka Evo Speedgoat, the Salomon Sense 4 pro and the Salomon S/Lab Ultra (2). The Evo Speedgoat and Sense 4 Pro have similar weight, but the Sense just feels more exciting and faster. The speedgoat has the most cushioning for sure. That all said: the last two ~45 km trail runs I did I picked the S/Lab Ultra... Very curious about the Flight Vectiv, I seriously consider buying it for long distances! So thanks for the heads up about potential heel slippage. A good return policy is important indeed!

[@merlinmilan5992]

Depends how muddy it is for my May ultra...either Speedgoat Evos or Salomon Speedcross 5 GTX. Keep up the great work Seth ;-)

[@tyb6770]

I went down a 1/2 size and it fits great. I have narrow heels as well. I was also concerned about the lockdown, but no problems so far. Wish the collar fit more like the S/Lab Ultra 3...

[@DanRuns]

QD: Hoka Challenger for me. Loved the 5. Now sold out in my size. Enjoying the 6. 1,000kms covered in this series of shoes

[@TheAnikdam]

I like the new intro!

[@alexandreparadis2776]

Good morning, QD: Salomon Wildcross for muddy trails in Québec!

[@glenzilly6065]

either the Inov-8 Terraultra G270 or ASICS Fujitrabuco Lyte

[@dirkmostert3944]

Hey Seth. Thanks for all the detailed reviews and your continued effort on this amazing channel. I know you have a ton of shoe reviews to get through, but in instances like this, given it is half a size too big, don't tou think it is worth getting the correct size to be sure about your review?

[@chrismccoy4146]

QD:Been doing ultras in Evo mafate but just picked up some Stinsons that I may switch to late in my next race.I have PF and I’m hoping the max cushion of the Stinson will ease the pain in my feet in the later stages of a 56miler.

[@scottr5007]

I am returning mine after 2 runs. First, I don’t like where the Matryx and the knit connect. It creates a hot spot because it’s not flush. I had some heel lift on it and didn’t like the lockdown. Lastly, I don’t like the rocker design. I love HOKA, but I felt like if I didn’t hit the shoe just right, I could rock backwards. That was a bummer

[@jacobmeyer4612]

QD: Still trying to decide what to race in for my 50 miler in July. I have the Terra Kigers right now but looking into the Hoka EVO Speedgoat and the Salomon S/Lab Ultra 3 (Really looking forward to your review on that one)

[@DMcC123]

I have exactly the same question! Will the S/Lab Ultra 3 be a good shoe for a 50 mile event? I have never run that far, so I don’t feel like I am able to judge.

[@TheeStig1]

I think it will do great if you are used to running in a firm shoe. I would best describe the midsole as dense. It gives a lot of protection and response, but if you want something Hoka soft this is not it. I picked up this shoe and plan to race a 50mi and 100mi race in it.

[@aaronleeman-smith9730]

QoD: M+: EVO Speedgoat 1/2M: Salomon S/Lab Sense SG 6/7 or Salomon 4 Pro depending on trail conditions.

[@farkasa]

April 17th 23.5K Courses du Mont Terrible in Switzerland, planning to race in the Hoka Speedgoat Evo, I reckon 🙏🏼 and the next day 9.4K same location, I might race in the On Cloudventure Peak 🇨🇭

[@nicolorebellato3101]

awesome video as always seth! QD: hoka evo speedgoat team!!!! would love hoka to find a way to put a carbon fibre plate into the hoka evo speedgoat...it would probably be the definitive trail race shoe! Hugs from Italy!

[@toddboucher3302]

I have a 100 mile coming in April 23, planning on my Hoka torrent, thinking about the evo lots of roots and rocks in the southeast and worried to much stack and ankle roll

[@maximegenionperron1356]

Butter that intro 🙏💥

[@chriscam1214]

QD nice review. Head isn’t turned on these tbh. Trail events this year evo Speedgoat or Mafate evo

[@gbmpam8]

I've just bought the Mafate, it is on offer here in the UK £100

[@chriscam1214]

@@gbmpam8 oh lovely great price 🤙

[@SeeChadRun]

QOD: For longer trail races, I'd really like to give the Salomon Ultra 3's a go. I'm hoping that it's a comfortable shoe for long days out on the trail. For shorter trail races (or training runs) the Skechers Speed TRL is a very fun and lightweight trail shoe to run in.

[@peakproofuk]

Inov8 Terraultra g270 is a good option to compete

[@runsdeep552]

2021 will mostly be a road race year but if I do race on trail I’ll be using the Speedgoat 4, I’ll definitely try the EVO Speedgoat at some point though!

[@learnings7435]

Vectiv Exploris Futurelight Low Have a look at these thanks

[@clarkmurdock7812]

Ah, a new intro? Lovin’ it

[@mariaavinafranco8046]

QOD:is between the speed goat 3 and the lone pike 4.5.for a 38 mile trail race.

[@MartinH_-_-_1]

I would use EVO JAWZ up to maybe half marathon if the course was very muddy and i needed the lug depth. For longer trail races of marathon plus i'd use my speedgoat 4s. Not worth buying EVO speedgoats as well at my skill level.

[@markpetersen]

QD: vaporfly next% for the Tunnel Marathon. Kofuzi said the trail was buffed out enough that it was fine for the all downhill course.

[@andrewwright3676]

Hoka Torrent 2 & EVO speedgoat every time

[@christianbaun9855]

In Canada the Hoka Speedgoat isn't available so I had to order them in from a Finnish website. Just an FYI for the all the Canadians out there looking for that shoe. I spent months trying to find it...worth it tho :)

[@LR6092]

Its not possible

[@Wesz808]

Finland is basically European Canada. So that makes sense.

[@movemorenowjames]

And yes, go 1/2 a size down. That would have helped

[@mikowhy9608]

QD: My races usually have steep sections - I can always count on my Speedcross. I'm keen to see your opinion on SLab Ultra ³. This year I'd like to try something new - the Peregrine or the Olympus are on a short list.

[@Dan_South]

So far only have one 50-miler on the 2021 list. I will be using the Timp 2 or 3 for that. I may pick up a pair of lone peak 5s or evo speedgoats. I didn't have a good experience with the speedgoat 4 so I'm a little unsure about the evo speedgoats. The 4's gave me a lot of hotspots and I couldn't run more than a few miles in them.

[@ptheiss0428]

I like the Speedgoat a lot, but I prefer the Torrent 2 and its firmer midsole. I would race (and have raced) in that.

[@suggg]

I'm not understanding these stiff fore foot shoes for trail running - what am I missing? On flat or MILDLY rolling terrain, I"m primarily on my regular gait pattern. When the trail ramps up for 20 feet or for 2000', I go to my metatarsals to climb. This area in a lot of the new running shoes does not flex anymore. Even my SG Evos, I have cut in 4 lateral slots for each shoe, halfway through the midsole to make them flex = now close to perfect. I find my quads going lactic and my breathing zooming towards AT when the shoe is too stiff. I would like to see one of these shoe channels do a treadmill stress test on a 10-20% grade comparing energy expenditure using stiff fore foot vs. flexible fore foot. New stiff shoes: Asics Trabuco Max, North Face Vectiv shoes, Brooks Caldera 5, Hoka Speedgoat 4...... Lots of the LaSportiva shoes flex - Innov8, New Balance More Foam Trail...... and my modified SG Evos with their 4 razor knife cuts, flex nicely. I don't understand stiff trail shoes. Love max cushion though!!!!!!

[@vtrider82]

Definitely be careful with the shoe size. I use an 11 Salomon but wish I went with a 10.5 North Face. One reason why buying online is not the best. Next purchase will be a 10.5. I'm hoping to try out the other styles in the new Vectiv line.

[@con5607]

QD: Altra Olympus 4.0 or Altra Lone Peaks

[@peakproofuk]

I had the same heel lock issue in my review. That and grip were my only completes. I thought the midsole and plate was a really nice combo. For where I live, the lack of mud grip makes it a non-starter. But it’s not designed for that.

[@trevorcross7751]

It's not a train race we don't have many serious trails that I know of down here in Florida, but I plan on running my first Half Marathon race sometime this summer and I'll be using my Next Percent's

[@RunThePlanet]

Great Looking shoe for a first TNF trail runner, not sure I remember the last time I saw a white trail shoe. Sounds like the midsole is there too, booty style reminds me of the Nike Zoom Fly 3.

[@RowOfMushyTiT]

QD: Will race in the Kiger 7 or the Salomon Pulsar.

[@Brandonlcosta]

I tried on this shoe and I thought it fit and felt similar to the Salomon S/lab Ultra 3. Agree that it runs a bit long, but I thought the Flight had a great lockdown.

[@scriperik]

Have you tried the Arc'teryx Norvan SL 2? They are as light as you get with trail shoes. They weigh no more than 170g / 6 oz !

[@RowOfMushyTiT]

Are these less harsh? The first version was terrible.

[@bikeinmotion]

I'm rocking the EVO Speedgoat for the technical race and the EVO Mafate 2 for the longer easier 80mile ultra :)

[@movemorenowjames]

Had exactly the same issue ... Caused a pain after 30km on a 50km ultra... little silly but thought it would be ok.

[@johnwardlaw6204]

Either the Hoka Torrent 2 or EVO Speedgoat

[@jonandhollygrant5202]

QOTD, going to be doing my first ever 50KM ULTRA and will be using the new balance hierro v5's. Hopefully get under 4hours.

[@Josh_Stringer]

QD: Training for a Grand Canyon R2R2R (not FKT!!!) and for a 100miler in June. Speedgoats for me. Will likely check out the Altra Olympus and the new Lone Peak 5’s that just released. They have the Ego midsole. Seems like a great shoe.

[@benjaminleeds4024]

I’ve just see the adidas terrex speed line up for 2021 some exciting racing shoes with the speed pro weighting in at 190g and speed SG with lugs to rival the X-talon G210.

[@jakeharris985]

Do you plan on doing the lone peak 5 review? Seen it's past 50 miles thanks for all you do!

[@fishflake1209]

QOD: My running plans for the first half of 2021 are revolving around a series of shorter races (

[@davidmehigan9725]

Just a thought but not worth getting another pair 0.5 smaller to see if it sorts your issues? The reason I say it is that people will absolutely not but it for this reason and it may not be fair. I love your honestly, it’s why we watch but I think especially when you put a vlog out there that may affect a brand I just think it may be wise to double check. In addition they don’t have a ton of shoes and are trying something somewhat new so I suspect they’ve put a lot into this. Anyhow, love the videos just a thought as someone who would 100% change their buying decisions on your opinion.

[@Pianoman1234321]

As it's my only trail shoe at the moment, I'd run in the Brooks Cascadia 14. I'm very inexperienced on the trails and they're versatile enough for my beginner legs. I don't know how far over a half marathon they could go though because my longest trail run so far has only been 9 miles.

[@DTMA_8]

Have you tried the Vectiv Infinite and if so, what is the difference between it and more expensive Flight model? Thanks in advance

[@jpook730]

QD: Salomon S/Lab Pulsar (maybe?) I have a pair on the way, and really enjoy the Sense Pro 4 over distance currently. Losing 2 oz off the SP4 and an increased softer stack probably won't hurt the Pulsar, methinks :D

[@jjchang9874]

Good Evening DGR. Greetings from Philippines 👟

[@papa_ice_water]

So will the Evo Speedgoats get a carbon fiber plate soon?

[@ckhyker6259]

Speedgoat for my 50 miler in June and for my possible 100 miler in September.

[@eriktred]

I’m still loving Nike Pegasus trail 2.

[@ZanicL3]

QD: Hoka challengers. Hybrid one

[@johnknowles5595]

Maybe try the Infinite or the Enduris, the heel collars are different on both of those models but have similar midsole geometry.

[@MartinH_-_-_1]

Definitely think it is worth trying to get a half size down. That could solve the lockdown issue and would help the weight as well. This has been used to set lots of long FKTs so the lockdown must be able to be sorted in the correct size.

[@eriktred]

I wonder how this compares to the vectiv enduris?

[@gregme18]

QD: Altra Timp 2 or 3.

[@jamespratt8637]

I was really entertaining buying this shoe. But held off. And my instinct was right... I’m really looking forward to a EVO Speedgoat plated version. If it happens! As I’m on my 3rd pair of them.

[@Gottix]

In the summer i walk alot (no running) on european cobblestones, uneven lanes and concrete surfaces (Prague). I have underpronation (not over) and flat feet (unusual combination). So i think the shoes need to have adequate foot support with a max cushioned insoles and durable outsoles with probably some ridges and grooves for excellent grip (protection against uneven cobblestones). Im getting very mixed messages on what shoes to get. From Bondi L or 7 & NB 1080 to Stinson atr 6, Gaviota 3, Terrex free hiker and even Salomon X ULTRA 4. Please help me!! Which shoe do you suggest!!

[@xrorox679]

I am eagerly waiting for your review of the Terra Kiger 7 before answering to your Question of the day. At this point I race and train in the Saucony Xodus 10 and they are wonderful (except in deep mud). But I am looking for a rotation with a lighter shoe, and really hesitating between Salomon Sense 4 pro, Hoka Torrent 2 and the Terra Kiger 7, if and only if the outsole perfirms better than the previous versions. If you have any advice let me know!

[@RowOfMushyTiT]

Add the G270 to your list too. I'm also waiting on the Kiger 7 though.

[@RickKanesGhost]

Seth you should test a different shoe size before claiming this shoes heel might slip for everyone.

[@dewknow1315]

I just ordered my 3rd pair of speed goats.

[@BigJohnMcCarthy1]

Good morning DGR family

[@dazdarren9926]

QD: Either Hoka EVO Speedgoat or Salomon S/Lab Ultra 3. Recently got the Ultra 3 and really enjoying it. I hope we see your review of it soon Seth

[@wadeevans5473]

Will you be doing the ride 14 or kinivara 12 anytime soon?

[@ryanmarshall2097]

I tried this shoe. Hated it because of that EXACT issue. I loved the ride and feel of the midsole but my heel slipped out like crazy. Luckily if you buy these form North Face they are giving you 90 days to try them and can return for full refund