Setting Up The Swiss Lathe! | Tornos Swiss GT 13

[@L1qu1d_5h4d0w]

Hey man, a young machinist from Germany here, this video was very insightful for me and I am really grateful for your work. I’m going over to the medical sector starting in December where swiss lathes are very common, this was a nice refresh for what I learned from my evaluation test day at the new company. Its hard to find detailed long videos on new machines especially from a down to earth guy like you, much appreciated 😊

[@pbcrisp4373]

an hour long walk-through? well done, Grimsmo. Quality in-depth content is one of the reasons your channel is awesome.

[@David_Best]

Lots to remember or to forget for setup. Have you considered having a tray (or parts box) for each part type that you make, where the tray has on it every tool, collet, bushing, (whatever) that's necessary to properly set up to machine that part? The tray could have labeled bins or 3D printed holders for each item (collet, tool, bushing, etc.) so that you know you have retrieved all the tools from the machine before cycle start. The lid over the tray could have a laminated instruction sheet (to protect it from oil) with the procedures for setup. Just a thought.

[@BZT-1]

The way I tight the bushing is to make z-asis go back and forth, then check the servo load.

[@paulmace7910]

John I like cotton shop towels better than paper towels. Yeah, its a rental charge but they work. Put a magnet on a piece of leather and hang it over the live tools when setting up to keep from cutting yourself. Nice content. Thanks.

[@brentgozzard8308]

A few hours spent making changeover trays out of kaizen foam or ABS that hold the main and sub collets, parts ejector pin would be huge for simplifying changeover processes. We have carts with chuck jaws, stoppers and parts rests at my work. Makes changeovers easy. We are high volume, however we never have a fixture mistake from changeover.

[@RadDadisRad]

That shirt is epic.

[@clairebritt819]

Wait what? All those skills and a dog roaming the shop shop ? I'm in love!

[@Edwardmodos]

I have two Citizen M20s, Swiss lathes are fun. Collets are real easy to "sprung" when crashed, spares are key.

[@CAD4UNIVERSE]

How do you adjust your guide bushing?

[@minibigs5259]

A little love for Falcor climbing the stairs backwards.... @40:37

[@Edwardmodos]

He stole the show and the camera man re-positioned once he had reached the landing.

[@vladimirushakov9163]

thank you for the walkthrough! can you please show us some of the tool setting and touchoff next time please.

[@markanthonysmith413]

Great video, I'm an older machinist been running a Citizen L32 for around 20+ years nice to see the newer tech running, nice tee shirt logo(no place like home). All the best Mark.

[@G34rhead]

Loved watching this! I'm a machinist and was working on Tsugami swiss machines when you originally put the idea out on the podcast that you might want to get a swiss. Perfect machine for a lot of knife parts! Very happy to see how far you have come and excited to see what the future holds. Cheers!

[@robinbaker9004]

Hey! I run Tsugami 😀

[@RabidSnailRacing]

Do you do the Higbee thread in Fusion? A short video explaining how would be interesting.

[@MrJTJINX]

Try some silicon spray in the trays and on the chute, its should stop the parts sticking - just a thin coat don't go mental.

[@acepilotson3331]

I just today started learning setup on this machine. I got hired off the street with no machining experience or education. It is fairly intuitive but steps, on steps on steps. I find the “bar pusher” setup much less intuitive and confusing. When changing the guide bushing I was instructed to lock the main spindle through the panel. Besides that almost identical. Thanks for sharing.

[@173roberto]

How do you program the Swiss lathe? Fusion 360?

[@CrashingCarbide]

If you drill a small cross hole through the ejector pin you can use a small pin or screwdriver to tighten/loosen it.

[@tomrevere9091]

Dylan Tanner consider that idea stolen. I hate using vice grips on my machine.

[@jsamuel62]

I work on a GT-26 all the time. You sprung your pick off collet there Crash.

[@walid7820]

hello john , i m working on a GT26 , but i have some diffuculties to set up tools geometry offset for B axis tools , T610s tools on sub spindel and T510s tools , can you helps me or orient me pliz

[@andrewdehne8932]

One hour went by like 10 minutes. Awesome stuff thanks for the insight.

[@jimmer147]

Anodise the ejector pins different colours to differentiate diameter. 😉

[@stevenrichardson7882]

Attention to detail is everything, keep it up from a UK subscriber 👍

[@brentgozzard8308]

Also some small wrench flats on the ejector pin to reduce marring from vice grips

[@unpopular_mechanics]

I thought the same. You can then machine a notch into the handle of each collet spanner which fits the flats.

[@nbtmx1]

Wonder if you could drill a small hole and put a pin in to snug it

[@jimsvideos7201]

Also the automated Higbee cut warms the cockles of my heart; it's 2019 and the time for that capability has come.

[@outbackbroadheads5910]

Very cool, have just bought my very first CNC machine, and it's a Swiss. Hoping to install it in the next few weeks and then start a steep learning process

[@ozalppiroglu5054]

What do you think is the most suitable glass program for cnc sliding lathes? Which program would you recommend I get?

[@DCT_Aaron_Engineering]

That's one sweet looking machine John. Congratulations on your new machine. Merry Christmas to you all. Regards, Aaron.

[@PatientZeroBalisong]

I started machining in August of 2020 and yesterday I just got hired as a swiss operator! They are going to train me nice and easy until I know what I'm doing!

[@TheKaligula00]

Why do you use lathe in guide mode with this tine parts?

[@sebastianschwobel5688]

super nice video. I would love to see kind of the same video change setups on the nakamura.

[@tammysoutherland1405]

Need a camera scope to look into certain parts of machines to see if they are clean Etc.. 🤗

[@jaspermarx9934]

I worked on the same type of machine. i tight up the bushing that the material doesn't spin inside the bushing, but lets its sligthly push in like he mentioned. if u get that, you are in 0.003mm.

[@mortimas4137]

How quick can the dog change over the swiss?

[@joshuafeldman367]

really appreciate you posting this video. i used to work on star sb20 and an sr 32 j. i miss working on them now days i work on 2 and 3 axis chucker lathes.

[@brucegiroux]

Great content as always. Thanks John. FWIW, I wonder how difficult it would be to design/fabricate a guard to place over the tools when your working inside. One slip of your hands and you will be ready for some stitches. Safety first!

[@xXBLAKGOATXx]

Hey there I'm new too machining currently studying industrial design, does anyone know the cost of one of these machines or more specifically this one and the Tornos nano

[@flots4570]

use the main side to bore it out with boring bar on sub. use spacers to make collet not close on its self and use gage pins the set sub collet

[@ksawat2471]

Where can I buy your shirt? thank you for the video.

[@xavtek]

I saw the yellow vest concept in a different context and there is another rule : only one yellow vest in the shop, because if everyone can put on a vest at the same time, if something goes very wrong, everybody would be mentally unavailable and then accidents happen !

[@l30n7788]

Are there very few suppliers of machine tools accessories etc in Canada. Waiting more than a week for a collet is ridiculous. In the UK everything is next day delivery more or less.

[@arrgh406]

When you say cleaned the 1/4" Ti bars, what did you mean?

[@michaelpippin9487]

Love this video Im a new machinist and starting on a cnc swiss lathe. Thanks for the info.

[@walid7820]

Hay hello ; really a great video i love it. We do have a Swiss GT 26 , i dont know why but i have always problem with the pieces Length , sometimes it give me the right lenght and sometimes -0.2mm sometimes -0.4mm , any help .?

[@peterCheater]

Make sure bars are centleress ground. Small deviations on material straightness or roundness can cause unstable length. I get this issue a lot running delrin bushings. Material wasnt grounded properly.

[@jimsvideos7201]

I like the vest idea.

[@p43500]

I feel your pain as we have the same problem that you cant do anything with the barfeed on a star sr20 without all the doors closed!

[@tammysoutherland1405]

Good idea with vest! Put please do not disturb on them. 🤗😁

[@lyjansen5138]

You could finish your subspindle part its super easy just hold the button of the sub and release when the sub button is flickering only the sub wil activate when you press the green button so you have a finished part and no new part wil be made on the main spindle (we have a gt26 and a gt32 on our work floor lots of problems with it they cant handle much pressure so we cant drill with high feeds because it will push the bar stock back in the main spindle causing missing lengt on parts and such and with lower feeds it wont break chips good..

[@nailedart4431]

O yeah John nice to see you in action, brings back memories from Grizzly days and broken tapping tools :).

[@FriedrichWinkler]

Could you get a force meter to get more consistency for the guide bushing adjustment? I would think it shouldn't be that expensive for the ease of mind.

[@xenonram]

It should have an automated routine where the main spindle college collet clamps the stock and pushes it through the guide bushing, while measuring the force in the same way it measures load when you're machining. (I think it's based on the current that it requires to spin.) It could tell you whether it's too tight or not tight enough. Then you could adjust it, run that macro again, and repeat until it's right.

[@mangeshsarade9283]

Sir, You had make videos on how to take geometry offsets of working tools , explain operating panal about how to use TISIS software in detail.. If yes then please send me video link please

[@kevinpotts9583]

we went over to oil back in the 80s till the oil vapour caught alight went like a jet engine massive fire went back to water based coolant this was on a cnc lathe in the UK

[@Spirit532]

When you move into the new large shop, you might be interested in getting a scanning electron microscope to check your parts, just for the nerd aspect of it. And I'm serious - since you're in Canada, there's a few ways you can get a working SEM with 200 000x magnification for less than the price of a *used* Leica optical scope, and I can help :)

[@tomrevere9091]

Spirit really? Would it even be useful, I thought they were for like, lab coat scientists to look at molecules.

[@Spirit532]

​@@tomrevere9091 No, you're thinking of atomic force microscopes. Easy to build for someone like John(or even you), but practically useless since they can at best see a field of a few thousand atoms across. SEMs have magnifications that generally go from around 10x to 1 000 000x on the higher end models. Well into the optical range(1-2000x)

[@dsbsas]

cuantos dejabu, rasgarme el brazo con las herramientas del sub usillo, que se me caigan partes y meterme a buscarlas, y largos setups, manos siempre aceitadas, muchas toallas para limipiarce,

[@danielkurnianto8735]

Hi John, would you open to be a consultant for helping us using the GT13? We have one and seems like we could use your expertise. Please let me know.

[@cnc-ua]

Looking forward to comparing this working place to something in 1-2 years. Obviously tons of small thing for improvement Thank you for sharing this episode

[@pbcrisp4373]

also...parts count is likely off using the scale 'parts count' method...due to the small weight of each part...and the added oil weight coating each part.

[@Eggsr2bcrushed]

+-2 or 3 isn't a big deal here.

[@xenonram]

You calibrate it with 25 pieces. So if the calibration weight is 93.49 g, it divides it by 25, and 3.74 g per part. That's why it takes such a large number to calibrate it. If you calibrated it with 1 piece, yeah, it would be inaccurate. But with 25 parts, it's very accurate. Not that it matters if it's off, but even with that small amount, it won't even be off by 1. Automated Rx machines that fill pills for online pharmacies use the same method.

[@pmtips4482]

Would the Nakamura not do what the Tornos will? Sometimes you mention deflection with the Nakamura. I'm just curious. Thanks for sharing!

[@jamesbarisitz4794]

No wearing of the vest in the can. Got it.👍 Nice "As it goes " style behind the scenes.

[@tammysoutherland1405]

Wow so weird it shrunk. It must have got hot, swelled and when it cooled off shrunk. Need a threader. 🤗😁

[@riserxx5437]

Do you have drawings of your parts or how do you remember the tolerances from every part ?

[@harlech2]

Taking us along for the journey is what I love about you John! I hope one day to be doing something similar to what you are with knives. Although in a completely different type of knife and market segment.

[@joshuawentworth7426]

You have an amazon link for that scale?

[@Awfultyming]

I used to work for a guy who did lots of EDM work and everything was always covered in oil when finished. He would always use windex because it melts the grease and later evaporates

[@atiger4716]

Thanks very much, I enjoyed this video a lot! and very useful as well

[@darkwinter6028]

The vest thing is like the “sterile cockpit” rule in aviation - under 10,000 feet, no non-flying conversation is allowed. Everyone must be focused on getting the plane up to cruise or down for a landing.

[@JohnGrimsmo]

That's really interesting!

[@darkwinter6028]

Yeah... unfortunately, like most aviation safety rules, this one is also written in blood... there have been crashes caused in part or in full (depending on the incident in question) on the flight crew getting distracted. 😬

[@yaronta]

OMG where can i get that shirt lol!!! Awesome video thanks!

[@G34rhead]

Just curious are you programing to run a G150 as your Z zero?

[@guitargeorge6423]

On star machines the ejector is spring loaded :)

[@darkwinter6028]

I have a Lomo stereo microscope that I got back when they could be had new for a couple of hundred bucks... some of the best $$$ I’ve spent.

[@Edwardmodos]

Might want to look into some caps or a temporary pinned on cover for the stations near the door, getting stabbed with a circuit board drill and fishing out the broken bits is no fun... Material handling and segregation could be better, try some lengths of ABS pipe with a cap on one end, stored vertically for short lengths or horizontally at the bar feeder, and label, preferably with diameter spring tags. Medical grade pure and alloy Titanium anodize differently :) For guide bushing tension, I rotated then counter-rotated the stock until the guide bushing would rotate maybe half a turn on the friction. I also pre-measure the bar at each end and middle and stick the fat end in first, ground bars vary slightly, and we ran bushings pretty tight. Unsticking a bushing kind of sucks. Cap the ends of your thread masters too :) Get multiple Plugable USB camera microscopes, for the money, you can't beat them.

[@OakwoodMachineWorks]

Watching him use the gauge pin to pry was painful to watch.... Really liking the new content, really looking forward to the kern videos!

[@Eggsr2bcrushed]

At least he said he knows it's a bad idea, and it is his shop...

[@xenonram]

It'll be alright.

[@flots4570]

wow thats not the right way to do this?? Do you have a Hone?

[@TheCanky]

i never knew how long it takes to set up a machine

[@garbagemanpiper]

Just a laymen but watched it all and am stoked about the process. Sure hope I win the contest! 🎅🏻🎄🍭🐓👶

[@CrashingCarbide]

Great video by the way, you should get into the weeds like this more often.

[@ROBRENZ]

Enjoyed John! ATB. Robin

[@ClockwerkIndustries]

This is so damn cool man! Love these types of videos

[@russlumley4974]

I run a NT like the one you have in the back.

[@masonkubecka9163]

Dose anyone else just flip their knife nonstop while watching this channel.

[@tammysoutherland1405]

This is a cool machine

[@groupkoin3564]

Really appreciate that sharing

[@zombieShell311]

Thank you 😊😊

[@chel-cee2865]

Love that shirt 😂

[@user-_-best]

Great and very fun!

[@artiem5262]

at the beginning, you tossed some "bad" parts -- I'm surprised you don't do root cause to better understand why (and change things slightly to not make bad parts), or are they a "known" bad?

[@MrMaxymoo22]

They're off by tenths. Just the first 10-20 off while the machine warms up. They would function fine, but they're out of Grimsmo tolerance.

[@tammysoutherland1405]

That's an amazing machine!👌🤗

[@azenginerd9498]

Really surprised that the bar feeder has to be programmed independently. I would have thought the part program would drive that...

[@FabFunty]

He used the good old Mafia trick, works obviously not only with money 🤑😄

[@qdup17]

I luv my Norseman ! ThanQ

[@wizrom3046]

Thanks for showing such a comprehensive setup video. I'm a bit disappointed in the lathe. It seems to do the initial machining against the bar guide, which requires ground bar stock and can still give oval parts if the guide is not adjusted perfectly. And the adjustment is a 1900s style "craftsman plus Allen key" system. That's 3 big faults. Then the second op chuck as also a fiddly process of removing covers and messing with Allen key over and over until it's right... Wow. I'm a machine designer and really it should have a spring loaded drop in collet, takes 2 seconds. Then a click dial to dial in the clamping spec. (Or even a strain gauge electronic clamp with computer adjustment)... And that should be on both chucks. It's almost like this is 1920s lathe technology stuck in a pretty enclosure with a computer hanging off the side... 👀🤔

[@cailyncook370]

Bro. I AM GETTING THAT SHIRT.

[@dmbworks8094]

ditch the thread pins and get some anvils for a mic and you will measure your threads for inspection.

[@El_Indio_Juan_Diego_]

Throw a rag over the sub side

[@crazycooterMN]

Boy tell me you did not just do that, you be buying a new gage pin?

[@tammysoutherland1405]

I know nothing about these machines. 😁 I've got a great imagination. Although if I messed with something enough, it's like reflex to me.

[@constantinosschinas4503]

0:22 TORNOS means Lathe in greek lol.

[@Dearrak1s]

spanish too

[@minibigs5259]

Ohhhhh John took ownership of the crash as a 'we'. I didn't get that from the B.O.M, What a diamond 😎 15:26

[@traderashishh]

Hi this is Ashish I'm graduated in mechanical engineering with 2 year experience Recently I'm CNC operator in tool room and programming manually CNC Turning and Milling machine, I want to learn and work with Swiss machine I want to work with you is there any opportunities, I'm from India

[@tammysoutherland1405]

Just curious with bad screws, "Would it be worth it to recycle?" Just explain to everyone srap metal only. Once it seems full enough, take it in and get paid for it.🤗😊

[@TheKeule33]

"Metric M5" Huh? You do realize the 'M' stands for 'Metric'? Nice overview tho. I've never seen a shop so small. It's also the first time I see a Tornos lathe