Setup: Turbo Timber Evolution Max Performance w/ Spektrum Avian ESC Programming / Voltage Callouts

[@sendit_rc]

Thank you for taking the time to show these great tips!! Big help man!!

[@kendonnelly3248]

Good info. Had to watch a few times to find the prop info location. 5:20. Prop and spinner info 13-4 prop and spinner from night timber x.

[@ericorlow4971]

Thanks!

[@steelrainfpv3383]

It's crazy that I've had this airplane for about a year and never had the overheating or thermal shutdown issues others have mentioned or been plagued with, even on the most hot and humid days here in East Tennessee. I did notice that excessive heat was generated by the esc and motor after a flight, so I removed some small bits of the cowl around the sninner to improve airflow to both components, and while they still get pretty warm I've never had a problem.

[@TwoBrosRC]

Consider yourself fortunate. This one actually wrecked out of a hover (no damage except to a spring) because it hit thermal protection before we changed out to a less-intensive prop system and moved the ESC forward.

[@enriquech4041]

@@TwoBrosRC Hello¡¡¡ By less intensive prop you mean the 13x4?

[@StarcraftGT500]

I would love to see your plane storage video, looks awesome!

[@stitch1007]

Would love to see a video going over your transmitter layout. What switches you like to do what and why. Thanks for the great content.

[@TwoBrosRC]

It's easier to ask about that sort of thing on Discord via bit.ly/TBRCDiscord

[@stewjade]

Hey dude, you just made my brain hurt. I am so far behind where you are at. And I’m old to boot. I’ve got got three Timbers and just kinda fly them around and don’t want to mark them. I do most of my crazy flying with my trusty FMS Supa EZY with an ORC stab from an 850mm P51 only working on the ailerons, works a treat. Main thing is tho, I’m having a ball and that’s all that matters at this stage. Still love ya work, keep it up.

[@TwoBrosRC]

Turbo Timbers are really capable airframes. They just need max throw on all surfaces to perform to their true potential.

[@stewjade]

@@TwoBrosRC Thanks Jon, looks like I am better advancing with my TT V1 than my X and just up the rates as I progress as I have done with my supa EZ. Cheers.

[@RazorsEdgeDIY]

@@TwoBrosRC My heart truly aches for one of the Turbo Timber X Night planes to fly with my 14yr old daughter. I've been flying for 38 years but I recently had my right leg amputated and have Stage 5 kidney failure. I'm in and out of the hospital constantly and we are financially devastated to say the least. I was flying giant scale like the Beast Biplane, 102" wingspan Extra 300, and a giant Yak. I sold them all to keep our home and they were just to big for me to handle with my health. I would give anything for a Transmitter and that Timber X or Turbo Timber Evolution. I would even be more than grateful if someone would donate the UMX versions of those planes! I love your videos, I always learn something new! God Bless you!

[@RazorsEdgeDIY]

​@@TwoBrosRC I have all the Timber info from watching these videos, just no way to get one 😢

[@TwoBrosRC]

@@RazorsEdgeDIY So sorry to hear that! There's no easy way to get a transmitter and a model over to you given how expensive those items are, much less how much it costs to ship them. Your best bet would be to swing by a local club and see if you can get some stick time on a club plane. Most likely someone would love to help you out!

[@old-rcplane-phart]

YOU are gonna make me get a TT Evo. Almost got 1 before my flying buddy did. I opted for my 1st, new Nite x. (Tho i never use the LEDs).🤪

[@old-rcplane-phart]

& ive flown, several timber x's & the old school 1.5 TT (bottom load). None were mine. (& U dont mod it if its not yours. Also fly it differently)

[@franciscoduran3688]

That Ail-> Ail mix is interesting. I was trying Flaperons on my Trojan T-28 1100mm and the travel of the ailerons in flap position wasn´t high enough. At least in the one that has still SAFE. Maybe I could try that... Great workshop and amazing how much you have changed and programed!

[@franciscoduran3688]

I later read that I would be needing to unlock my receiver first... It´s crazy in how much detail you have come with your radio!

[@TwoBrosRC]

It's a necessary mix if you use crow, otherwise you won't get enough aileron movement to avoid adverse yaw. You can add rudder to compensate but it's never a bad idea to get a more responsive roll.

[@franciscoduran3688]

@@TwoBrosRC OK slowly I´m beginning to understand! Thanks!!

[@PBJ805]

Thank you for your inspiration, I ended up using the provided B11DLS servos arms, however I noticed you were able to use the stock servo arms for your build. I measured both servos' gears and B11DLS were larger, so I figured I have to modify provided servo arms to attach control rod holder, drilling the holes a little bigger, which meant that I was changing the throw a bit. In addition, I have never crimped DuPont before but noticed on your recommended kit doesn't have little bevels on them. I have since ordered some different style from HH. I love your builds and appreciate your efforts. Any further clarification would be much appreciated.

[@TwoBrosRC]

What clarification are you looking for?

[@PBJ805]

@@TwoBrosRC clarification on which servo arms you used for the B11DLS upgrade, B11DLS arms provided or stock Spektrum servo arms? I finished my build this weekend and stoked with ALL the modifications, thank you.

[@TwoBrosRC]

@@PBJ805 Sorry about taking so long to get back with you, we get a ton of comments and try to respond to all of them. The stock arms were used here.

[@arturocaballero7208]

Really liked your comprehensive video. Would you tell us which wires you cut from the aileron plug? Also my stock receiver is already using all outputs where did you plugged yours?

[@TwoBrosRC]

Check the comments, it's all covered. The lights can be plugged into the bind port.

[@s2a5h1]

Love the video! What wires do I cut? I appreciate it!

[@TwoBrosRC]

All you have to do is unscrew the two wing plugs in the fuselage, unplug them from the receiver, and cut one of the leads going into the aileron plug right before where it plugs into the plastic lead. Use a DuPont connector kit (like the one in my description) and affix a new servo lead to the end of the cut wire, then connect that to channel 5 or 6 - depending on which channel your transmitter expects the aileron to be connected when you've set it up as a 2 Aileron 1 Flap wing type. Once this is done and the receiver is reprogrammed, you'll have stabilization on both ailerons.

[@A.M.-RC]

Great new logo!

[@old-rcplane-phart]

I thot he liked the hi alpha, ground cam video a little bit! LoL

[@TwoBrosRC]

I put some effort into it - might as well use it! I've got graphic design experience so it didn't take much to create a quick logo.

[@ryancatlin2888]

Hello, this is awesome. Just got my timber and want to get the most throw with stock servos. Can you please do a video on exactly how to do this? Where you would unlock whatever and actually visualize in a video. I’m running a nx8 transmitter.

[@TwoBrosRC]

If you want full throw on the stock servos, unlock the receiver and position the servo arm pushrods at the outermost hole and the control horns on the innermost.

[@RCDave64]

Great video. Is the vertical plane stand in the background a DIY or are there plans available?

[@TwoBrosRC]

It's DIY. We use wall racks from Lowes now. Much more efficient.

[@kl0udykl0ud55]

So this is how you're getting it to fly like more 3d style flights? I saw a video of you hovering w floats on. It still has the stock horizontal stab or did you switch parts out from the timber x

[@TwoBrosRC]

Yep! Everything you see in this vid is what I fly. Stock airframe components, upgraded servos. I may upgrade the stab to use the Timber X stabilizer in the future to get even more impressive KE spins and walls/waterfalls that won't require much effort.

[@arturocaballero7208]

Sorry. My questions have been answered in previous comments. Thank you!

[@N8904V]

Do you like the turbo or the Night timber for aerobatics? I know you haven't flowen it much? Is the setup on the night Timber much of a hassle compared to the turbo? Just wondering by flipping their plan over to change your battery would be to much of a hassle.

[@TwoBrosRC]

I've flown the Turbo Timber for two years, and the Night Timber X for nearly a year and a half. They both have things they excel at. The NTX is designed for high energy rolling and post-stall 3D maneuvers, the TT is designed for bush flying and aerobatics that can be post-stall but requires that you think ahead of the plane due to the much slower roll rate and lack of roll authority because the prop wash doesn't flow over the ailerons. I have a vid on the NTX setup you can check over - I wouldn't call it a hassle. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aaOcnXeGitFod7c

[@stopitdad69]

Jon!! I posted this in another video but where did you get the inspiration to make the floor pvc hangar from? The one with all your jets in it nose down. I only own jets and with the long fuselage it’s hard to make standing racks that don’t also take up a ton of floor space.

[@TwoBrosRC]

As our other comment mentioned, Jon's wife made this rack as a birthday gift.

[@billspurlock3362]

Great tips Jon. Is there someplace you show exactly what wiring changes you made to set up crow, while also retaining the options of AS3X and SAFE? I heard elsewhere that setting up crow will eliminate stabilization, but around 27 min. you discuss adjusting gains and demonstrate AS3X working. Thank you.

[@TwoBrosRC]

All you have to do is unscrew the two wing plugs in the fuselage, unplug them from the receiver, and cut one of the leads going into the aileron plug right before where it plugs into the plastic lead. Use a DuPont connector kit (like the one in my description) and affix a new servo lead to the end of the cut wire, then connect that to channel 5 or 6 - depending on which channel your transmitter expects the aileron to be connected when you've set it up as a 2 Aileron 1 Flap wing type. Once this is done and the receiver is reprogrammed, you'll have stabilization on both ailerons.

[@edwardmullen1581]

@@TwoBrosRC So, you're basically saying that you need the ailerons plugged in independently rather than y'ed. Which aileron would you move to the other channel, left or right?

[@TwoBrosRC]

I'd switch the left because the default is channel 2 for the right aileron on a dual aileron setup.

[@richardburton9032]

Hey Jon, I appreciate that you take the time to spread knowledge to show the community of this hobby. I do have a question. The Timber uses a 6 channel receiver correct? I guess I’m not really understanding the changes you make to make this setup work for this reason... the Timber is 5 channels (6 with lights) if you remove the Y harness and give each aileron its own channel, you would need 7 channels to run this setup including the lights which I can see that you still have. Could you explain the element that I’m missing please? Thanks again!

[@TwoBrosRC]

Lights go into the bind port, freeing up the fifth channel for the second aileron. 😉

[@user-rx8qq8sk9ydv1ce5ib]

I prefer simplicity in doing things. Life is full of other complications 😀. I don’t have this model, but I have the eflite Mule, I put a 4S battery pack in it out of the box, fly it, enjoy it and leave the field. No drama. I do the same with the FMS ranger 1800mm wireless / clipping wings, also no drama. The only mixing i do is rudder with ailerons (optional) and flap compensation (needed), that’s all.

[@TwoBrosRC]

OK, that was always allowed.

[@user-rx8qq8sk9ydv1ce5ib]

@@TwoBrosRC thanks , though I learned from you a lot thanks.

[@bobd676]

Jon--I followed to the "T" on your set up. Once I split the Ailerons I lost AS3X on the L. aileron. Any tip to re-set this for that surface ? I have unlocked my Receiver & updated DX-9 also.

[@TwoBrosRC]

It should be mentioned in the vid at some point in the hour's worth of footage, but you need to use a Spektrum programming cable and unlock the receiver, then reprogram it. It won't understand that your wing type uses two ailerons unless it's been unlocked and reprogrammed.

[@steven198130]

twin timber springs and 70 amp Avian lite now installed on the new rerelease turbo timber

[@TwoBrosRC]

We'll definitely be picking it up.

[@steven198130]

@@TwoBrosRC i got my sky remote id module and the esc on its every thing esle i can remove off twin timber for the spring

[@marcellowithtwols]

Hi Jon, just wondering if you could help describe why timing 5 on avian programming helps with the overheating problem. Mine overheats with every flight. Also, I noticed when I throttle up, it takes half a second for the thrust to really kick in. That annoying delay is plenty of time for the novice pilot to get in trouble when flying low and not expecting there to be a delay. Hoping you have some suggestions! Thanks again for the great vid.

[@TwoBrosRC]

Setting timing to 5 reduces the amount of thrust the engine can provide because it won't spin quite as fast as it does on 15 timing. This reduces the amount of amps the ESC has to kick out to the motor, which keeps it from getting as hot. In the vid I do believe I went over how to set it to instantly spin up - just set the Startup Time from Very Soft or Soft to Normal instead.

[@marcellowithtwols]

@@TwoBrosRC sounds good! I’ll give it a try AFTER moving the ESC up, cause it overheats and stops with every flight as it is…

[@TwoBrosRC]

@@marcellowithtwols Be sure to use a 13x4 prop as well. Otherwise it will overheat even with timing set to 5.

[@wolfgangreiner744]

Hi Jon. I’ve been re-watching two of your videos, both excellent by the way. My intention is to get more familiar with my Spektrum ix12 mixing. I find both your TimberX and Turbo Timber Evo videos extremely helpful. I’m trying to better understand how to choose the correct control surface (as in the case of mixes involving ailerons or flaps) for the mix set up. For example: in the case of snap flaps, how would I know to choose Left Flap or Right Flap when mixing with Elevator? I have separate servos on separate channels for each Flap segment. I’ve been searching the internet for a Spektrum mixing manual, something more in depth than what’s provided in their transmitter manuals. Is there a simple way to understand this, or is it a matter of experimenting? Thanks.

[@TwoBrosRC]

Hey man! It's best to ask these questions on the channel's Discord server viabit.ly/TBRCDiscord - it's way too easy to lose your comment here in the follow up. Join up and ask for help!

[@old-rcplane-phart]

WISH spektrum (OR anyone) would come out with new/better/different voice prompts for the nx series. Ive seriously been thinking about dropping the 2 g's on the iX20se.

[@TwoBrosRC]

The SE is only needed if you want the gimbal upgrade. The 20 is amazing by itself. If you do get one, try the 20 first and see if you think you need the gimbals - Horizon will upgrade them for you for a fee that comes out to the price of the SE so you can save some cash at first if you're wanting to check out the radio. tinyurl.com/IX20Transmitter if you'd like to buy it and support the channel at no additional cost.

[@MrBlonde5k1]

Since you keep your gains on a slider, what would you say you typically fly at (50%?) when you're using 150% Plus a further increase in deflection from servo horn changes? thanks

[@TwoBrosRC]

Usually in the mid-range, no reason to adjust it unless it's getting especially windy.

[@stainjah]

Will the original ar637t reciver allow 150% rates ? I moved the control horn to the inner holes.

[@TwoBrosRC]

Yes, if it's unlocked. Join us on Discord and it'll be easier to get help. bit.ly/TBRCDiscord

[@morgansullivan1190]

So your video with the SMC battery and showing out the TTE made me order a few of those batteries asap (helluva price too) and following through this I've just finished my crow mod and I'm about to go try it out. Waiting on the servos to arrive so we will see if I blow the guts out of the spektrum ones lol. Now I think I may just have to get that damn IX20...or the IX12vor 14 at the very least but if you're gonna go big why not go all the way big? Thanks for not just the knowledge but the technical details as well, you've helped me wake my TTE up in the most rudest and fun way!

[@TwoBrosRC]

The IX20 is awesome. We love ours. If you want one and want to support us at no additional charge, consider picking it up via bit.ly/3BQvB0u - it's totally worth the price.

[@morgansullivan1190]

Oh I've used your links for the battery, servos, connector kit (you know most kits don't INCLUDE the female sleeves for connectors, weird right?) and while I don't think Amazon gives you kickbacks, future planes and one day my ix20 or maybe that ix14 which is more practical for my needs will be through your available links. Have you had any experience with the v2 versions of those servos that are programmable? One more thing to program I know, I know but the application gets the wheels turning

[@TwoBrosRC]

@Morgan Sullivan Thank you! We haven't reprogrammed the AGF servos yet but the B13DLM units should be easily reprogrammed.

[@HenryDoesStuffShorts]

Hey Jon! I just picked up a turbo timber and want to set it up like yours. I was wondering how to program the receiver to do 150% rates, and also how you got crow.

[@TwoBrosRC]

You need to unlock the receiver. This is done by Googling "unlock AR637TA" and using a Spektrum programming cable which you can find here: bit.ly/3P4a9Kg The comment section of this vid has info on where to cut the lead and affix a new connector to enable dual aileron setups.

[@HenryDoesStuffShorts]

thank you!@@TwoBrosRC

[@rhoanashby]

Trying to set up 150% flaps, took the servos out, adjusted to 150, attached the arms but it just doesn’t seem to want to go full “barn door”… so you have a video or any tips on how to make it work?

[@TwoBrosRC]

We can't post vids just for specifics like this, but we can say that if it's not working then you're probably not adjusting it correctly. It's a simple fix though. Adjust the flap travel to 150%. Set the flap system to pull the flaps up 100%. Place the servo arm on the servo such that it nestles the flap against its pocket in the wing without binding the servo. Set the flap system to deploy to 100% extension. It will deploy as far as ours do afterward.

[@DC-uj5rq]

Hello, I have a question. I can trim my timber to fly straight and level at a set speed but when I increase the speed it climbs and when I decrease the speed it drops. Is this normal? I have been told that this is a "normal" thing for a plane to do and I agree to some extent but I have flown planes before that"tracked" so much better. You have experimented with your CG location, what do you think? I was also wondering if the "thrust line" could be off a bit. I doubt the angle of incidence could be an issue. Thanks for your videos, DC

[@TwoBrosRC]

It is pretty normal for more airspeed to necessitate more downward trim or pressure. A more neutral CG will mask a lot of this tendency though since the horizontal stabilizer can be completely neutral or slightly down, so the faster it goes the less likely it is that it'll climb. You can also adjust the gyro to increase pitch gains which will automatically resolve this as well.

[@edwardmullen1581]

Could you do that post as you suggest for physical crow adjustments? Please

[@TwoBrosRC]

Not sure I follow you here, could you clarify?

[@elijah7924]

Got a new TTE, when it’s hooked up to a battery, all the controls work except for the throttle, Esc keeps beeping with different batteries, any suggestions.

[@TwoBrosRC]

Cut the throttle before connecting the battery.

[@johnswan6161]

Does it have the pre-loaded or pre-installed BNF templates already installed on the Spektrum ix20se? Thanks

[@TwoBrosRC]

Nope.

[@MrUltimateRC]

Sir, could you display a crow wiring schematic. which leads need to be or which plugs require replacement.

[@TwoBrosRC]

Read the comments, we've covered ya.

[@GOOGLE_IT-00]

Hey. What things did you do to reinforce the elevator or rudder? Flaps and ailerons? I was thinking just adding more glue around some of the base points of the Plastic hinges? Also the plastic arms that attach to the foam..

[@TwoBrosRC]

Nylon steel-pinned hinges were used to upgrade the elevator and rudder. Flaps and ailerons are already plastic hinged.

[@GOOGLE_IT-00]

@@TwoBrosRC Awesome would you be so kind to tell me where you purchase these parts?

[@TwoBrosRC]

@@GOOGLE_IT-00 Amazon has them.

[@davidmarchand-smith4105]

Hi Jon. Can you recommend an alternative to the stock motor which seems to be on backorder everywhere? Seems like the Spektrum 4250 might fit, but I'm new to this and pretty unsure about sizing the motor. Cheers!

[@TwoBrosRC]

The Power 20 or 25 is probably a good replacement.

[@fastmaxxcooper]

I had a couple Kyosho Calmato planes that came with a BLS-30 motor. It's a direct fit on my TT Evo. I can't compare performance, but with a 13x4 prop, it'll climb vertically QUICK with a big 4S 4300 mah. I'm using a Castle creations 75 amp ESC with it. only because I wasn't using a Spektrum smart battery. It's an option.

[@brandonseals6732]

Where do you run motor timing? What do the timing adjustments mean and do?? A picture of ur wiring would be helpful...

[@TwoBrosRC]

We run stock timing. Higher timing means it gets run harder with more thrust.

[@enriquech4041]

Jon, hello¡¡¡ I was thrilled with your video, it was very helpful. I have a question regarding the AGFRC Micro 9g Servo you used to upgrade your timber. It seems that one of the gears is made of plastic, have you ever had a problem with that? Regards

[@TwoBrosRC]

Never had any problems that could be attributed to the one plastic gear. It's one of the biggest gears and doesn't strip easily at all. These servos get tossed into most of our models flying 9g class units and we've only had two fail in nearly two years of using them.

[@enriquech4041]

@@TwoBrosRC Jon, your comments are very helpful. I was wondering also if you had tried any of the Corona servos similar in size and characteristics as the ones you use normally. Regards

[@TwoBrosRC]

Nope, never tried them.

[@WHBVERDE69]

Jon, can you get 150 rates out pf the stock servos? And how do you unlock and program the stock reciever for the 150 rates. Thank you!

[@TwoBrosRC]

You can, but the stock servos don't throw as far as the B11DLS units do. Spektrum's guide on unlocking and programming: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fGTMpJWsZrprm68

[@WHBVERDE69]

@TwoBrosRC thank you for your help! Definitely my favorite rc channel!

[@h2osmokey]

I don't find a segment about flap to elevator mix for keeping the nose down when full flaps are deployed. What say ye for such percentages?

[@TwoBrosRC]

That depends on your CG and also on whether you're using floats. Experiment with about 5 to 10% down elevator with full flaps and adjust as you see fit.

[@h2osmokey]

@@TwoBrosRC CG is as instructions. Input the down elevator. I tried to adjust the down speed (DX9 xmtr) to about 5 seconds but speed only works on the flips going "up". Can't sort it even with reverse switch, reverse movement percent. Lost on that one. Geezer flying on S3 !!

[@GOOGLE_IT-00]

Hey, can you send a picture of the wiring setup for the crow setup? Edit* You need another servo for the crow correct? Also, did you replace the servos for only the elevator and rudder? Or all servos?

[@TwoBrosRC]

The comments go over what you need to do, be sure to read them over. We replaced all the servos with the ones recommended in the description.

[@nathanzieman2521]

When you shove the battery all the way back like that, aren't you moving it way closer to the RX antenna(s)? No issue?

[@TwoBrosRC]

No issues at all. The antennas are placed in such a way that the battery isn't interfering with them. The only active part of the antenna is the very tip.

[@stevecipolla3508]

Thank you for this video! I love the idea of crow on the Timber in particular. I just switched the ailerons to two separate channels as you explained, but I am having the strange issue of one aileron having slightly reduced throw than the other since this modification. Any suggestions where I can start to investigate? I searched the internet high and low, but the most similar situations are people who have built their own plane and their pushrods were different lengths. Easy fix for their issue.

[@TwoBrosRC]

Make sure both are set to the same throw and ensure that you've reset the receiver. If you have them set to 150% rates but the receiver wasn't reprogrammed, the servo will only travel 100% instead of 150%.

[@stevecipolla3508]

@@TwoBrosRC Ok, I’ve been reading the other comments as well. I’ll have to update the firmware on the RX to factory settings, then use forward programming to increase rates? I don’t know how to do this, but I’m sure I can figure it out. If I’m understanding you correctly, the difference in throw that I am experiencing is due to the original aileron channel being restricted to 100%, but the channel where I plugged in the “new” aileron, is not restricted. Really appreciate your reply! I’ll try this out tomorrow if I can figure out the firmware update and the necessary RX programming.

[@TwoBrosRC]

@@stevecipolla3508 That's correct, basically. You set the rates in Servo Setup. Forward programming is where you factory reset the receiver after updating the firmware on your PC. Look up "unlock AR637TA" on YT. It'll tell you what you need to know.

[@stevecipolla3508]

@@TwoBrosRC awesome, thank you! Will give it a go today.

[@jacobboone6078]

Do you still suggest the same Serbia for upgrade? My rudder servo took a dump on me today…

[@TwoBrosRC]

We still fly with the same servos in this video. Absolutely upgrade to them.

[@edwardmullen1581]

I didn't see the programing for Crow on the iX, or did I miss it?

[@TwoBrosRC]

Timestamp 10:42 under the chapter called Crow.

[@schalkvs]

Did you shave a bit off on the spinner to make the 13x4 prop fit?

[@TwoBrosRC]

Nope.

[@ItAintMeBabe99]

Wow, was contemplating getting a Timber, but if I have to do all that to it, to get it to fly well, forget about it.

[@TwoBrosRC]

It'll fly well stock. This is for people who want it to be more 3D capable.

[@sean7193]

So from what I understand in order to get the AR637TA to ACCTUALLY achieve 150% rates you need to unlock it via PC, and Spektrum Programming Cable SPMA3065? is there clear/easy settings to increase the rates once your in the PC menu? or is it more of a PITA then that? thanks.

[@TwoBrosRC]

You do need to unlock any current Spektrum receiver to get more than 100% travel. You reprogram it via Forward Programming. The PC app is only to update the firmware to allow you to factory reset the model's receiver. Write down the gain settings prior to wiping it.

[@sean7193]

@@TwoBrosRC If you ever get a chance to make a video on this process I'm sure lots of people would be interested to see, including myself. thanks for the great vids.

[@fastphoton3912]

Hello, i was wondering how you got 150 travel with the stock reciever and as3x

[@TwoBrosRC]

We mentioned it in the vid. You have to unlock the receiver.

[@jvalentin62]

Do you change the wing servos? If so which ones do you use?

[@TwoBrosRC]

It's in the description - all servos were changed over to tinyurl.com/B11DLS units. These are very comparable to the servos shipping with Draco and the Twin Timber these days.

[@stevenkurtz1231]

I had met you a few weeks ago at the holly springs field. Had a new TT evo, my first electric plane, first new plane in over a decade (or two) at that. I am not satisfied with the ability of the stock servos to provide adequate torque to move the elevator and rudder surfaces to the full extent of their available travel. You speak of the b11 dls servos you have installed. I was wanting a bit more info on this and the method of install. Are there other servos that compare to these in size and ease of install. It seems like the stock servos are glued into the airframe. What is involved in replacing these servos?

[@TwoBrosRC]

The stock servos for the elevator and rudder are glued in. They're easy to pry out. You just reglue the new units in using FoamTac which will hold solid. The rest of the servos are simple drop-in replacements using screws and plastic housings. You'll have to cut the servo doors for the flaps and ailerons before you can gain access to them. Good to hear from you!

[@stevenkurtz1231]

Thanks for the advice, I got a pair of those servers you recommended. Just like you said , with a little finagling the old servos popped out although I was a little nervous that I was going to tear up the Styrofoam. I was actually amazed at how easily the stock glue just kind of pulled away from it. Used the Foam Tac like you said and sure enough it held the new servos in pretty tightly can't even see them move when I tug on them. The travel is so much better and they are so much more solid than those crap stock servos they put in. Now able to get tons more elevator and rudder travel! Can't wait to put it in the air!

[@TwoBrosRC]

@@stevenkurtz1231 Happy to hear that! Be sure to let us know how it performs for you.

[@old-rcplane-phart]

2 questions came to me just now. 1) did u have/try the dx/nx tx's before u got your (ULTIMATE! 😁) iX20se? 2) Cant you go into the reciever, reset/reprogram it for 150% throws instead of the 'factory' settings? Thank YOU Jon! 👍

[@TwoBrosRC]

I had a DX6 and an IX12 prior to upgrading to the IX20SE. You can reprogram a BnF receiver but you need to use a programming cable to update its firmware so you can reprogram it in Forward Programming.

[@jakederecki9922]

Hey I see that you were able to max out control throw with the stock receiver. For some reason It just won’t let me max it out. It says on my transmitter that throw is set to 150. But the plane ITself won’t go past 100. Any tips?

[@TwoBrosRC]

We mentioned it in the vid - you need to unlock it and reprogram it or you'll be stuck at 100% throw.

[@jakederecki9922]

@@TwoBrosRC awesome thank you so much

[@flyingfools47]

How did you plug the aileron into the 5th channel without disconnecting the lights? With the stock receiver all of the servo ports are full even with the ailerons y-harnessed together. Did you connect the lights to the ailerons using a y harness or something?

[@TwoBrosRC]

Lights go into the bind port. They'll draw power from it.

[@flyingfools47]

@@TwoBrosRC ah ok, thanks!

[@flyingfools47]

@@TwoBrosRC also have you had issues with the stock prop adapter on the timber or the Cirrus slipping off despite being tightened down really hard? I frequently have to reattach the prop adapter because it keeps sliding off, and it's getting really annoying. Do you have any tips to keep the prop adapters firmly attached?

[@TwoBrosRC]

@@flyingfools47 Hold sandpaper to the motor shaft and scuff it up a bit before placing the prop adapter on it.

[@eco_guardian]

2:53 what does 'crow' mean for the ailerons?

[@TwoBrosRC]

Both ailerons moving up as the flaps drop.

[@daleholliday8489]

Hey Jon, not sure if i am doing it right or looking at something wrong but i put all my servos to 150% rates but the travel does not increase. Even in dual rates it will only go to 125% with no increase in travel.

[@TwoBrosRC]

You didn't unlock the receiver and reprogram it. That's step 1. If you don't do this, 100% is as far as the BnF receiver will permit travel.

[@daleholliday8489]

@@TwoBrosRC hello again Jon, sorry to keep bugging you but i have watched your video over and over and i have to be doing something wrong. i unlocked my receiver and it messed up my flight control directions on my ailerons and rudder. i reversed the servos but there is no way to update AX3 unless i reset the receiver which i did. got every thing all up and running and now safe works........ Safe and AX3 in the intermediate work but i dont feel any movement when i go to mode 3 just AX3. yes i advanced the throttle. oh and i still cant get the travel to move to 150. flaps went down more but rudder and elevator show no more throw when I increase the servo travel.

[@TwoBrosRC]

@@daleholliday8489 Factory reset the receiver, then make sure all of your servo directions are correct in the transmitter. Set the receiver back up from Forward Programming after that's done and it will function as-normal.

[@cs-xd9gy]

Jon, How did you get the screen to show left aileron (LAL) I tried changing the servo name, but mine still shows the factory set name. I did reboot he TX. Is it somewhere else?

[@TwoBrosRC]

You need to set the wing type to Dual Aileron, 1 Flap.

[@cs-xd9gy]

You must have your wing config setup differently, Mine is 1 AIL 1 FLP

[@TwoBrosRC]

@@cs-xd9gy That's why I mentioned needing the wing type change.

[@cs-xd9gy]

@@TwoBrosRC Man I watched that 10 times and I missed it. Hard to keep up with you😂

[@MrLew1965]

SUBBED IN !!

[@groggykerman007]

How did you reprogram the reciever to have 150% throw? Because I would also like to do that!

[@TwoBrosRC]

It's mentioned in the vid!

[@groggykerman007]

@@TwoBrosRC but the as3x only allows 100% rates Did you unlock your reciever?

[@TwoBrosRC]

@@groggykerman007 Yes.

[@groggykerman007]

@@TwoBrosRC 👍👍

[@agenttex]

Nice video …. Great plane. I have one but broke a landing gear spring and can’t find a replacement anywhere. Have to wait over two months … can’t fly it as is - WTF?

[@TwoBrosRC]

Springs should be available for backorder on Horizon's website.

[@GOOGLE_IT-00]

Hello, where did you get the prop? Thanks!

[@TwoBrosRC]

bit.ly/3VCda7p

[@mikesullivan5851]

Did you ever post a picture of the wiring?

[@TwoBrosRC]

Nope, but you're welcome to join us on Discord for help with setups: bit.ly/TBRCDiscord We had to shift over to Discord for setup guides and other info as it's just too difficult to get all of the relevant information into a KZbin video or into individual comments that get lost easily.

[@jbeattie728]

Does anyone know if it's possible to get the combi switch on the NX controller? I only see options for single switches. I am trying to replicate as seen in the chapter Crow/Full Span Flaps Aileron Mixing @ 13:12

[@TwoBrosRC]

You'll just have to create separate mixes for it.

[@jbeattie728]

@TwoBrosRC Not sure I follow..Would separate mixes work? Doesn't this require switch c pos 2 AND switch d pos 2. I don't see how this can be achieved without a combi option in mixing? I've got everything else working (thanks to your videos and explanations so I appreciate that!)

[@Propaneman1075]

Do you have freewing f15 90mm set up video?

[@TwoBrosRC]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/rYSTonaErrGpq7c

[@poker8193]

I ask a lot from because you have the most helpful videos but I defiantly need help with the wiring set up for crow on this plane.

[@TwoBrosRC]

It should all be documented in the vid - but if it's unclear, undo the screws on the fuselage plugs and suss out which plug goes to what servo lead. It should be very straightforward. Once you see which one is the aileron lead, cut ONE lead at the point where it splits off coming from the receiver. Use the crimping tool in the description to affix a new servo lead to the cut end after stripping the wires. Bear in mind that a crow setup on Spektrum transmitters (two ailerons, one flap) defaults to the right aileron being in channel 2 unless you want to mess about with redoing Channel Assign.

[@poker8193]

Actually I read through the comments and found where you explained it allready

[@steven198130]

do u replace all 6 servos and and how do u remove the wing servos cause of the enbeded design of them

[@TwoBrosRC]

We left you a comment mentioning how to do it when you asked last time - and yes, we replaced all six servos.

[@steven198130]

@@TwoBrosRC sorry sire

[@steven198130]

all my servos r replaced throws are ail 150/150 ele150/150 rud 141/126 flap 150/145 have not setup crow yet will work on that the hinges i will replace in elevator once i order the kit and prop and hinges do i do 3 in each elevator half for the hinge replacement or 2

[@stevelhamon2031]

What does the 2 blade prop do for you?

[@TwoBrosRC]

It's more efficient (draws fewer amps) and is more powerful than the 11x7 3-blade prop.

[@caseyharries2554]

Have you ever put a 6s battery in a TT Evo?

[@TwoBrosRC]

Nope.

[@Pajeot1]

Yes, would you mind going into a little more detail about the 150% flap /removing & changes to servos. Not sure what you meant. Thanks!

[@TwoBrosRC]

The easiest way to do is to remove both flap servos, set the up and down travel to 150%, then position the servo arm so it will pull the flap snug against the pocket it deploys from. It'll take a few attempts to get it just right - you're looking for roughly a 120 degree angle on the arm. After it's positioned right, you can get the flap to extend and retract fully without binding - you'll get full barn door flaps at that point.

[@STEVEJELLY]

Do the upgraded servos on the elevator and rudder give them more throw or travel?

[@TwoBrosRC]

They have improved speed, travel, and torque.

[@STEVEJELLY]

@@TwoBrosRC I’m running a DX-6e and when I program 150% travel, it doesn’t make any difference from 100%

[@TwoBrosRC]

@STEVEJELLY You need to unlock the receiver and reprogram it. It's mentioned in the vid.

[@STEVEJELLY]

@@TwoBrosRC Thanks! I’ll rewatch the video tomorrow

[@STEVEJELLY]

@@TwoBrosRCCould this be done on an old DX-6e?

[@phevosraptopoulous2241]

Hey great vid! I just unlocked my reciever but i can get the 150 rates, assigned as3x safe and nothing on different flight modes, safe worked, as3x didnt do anything, and i didnt get any difference when change my rates. Do you know how to fix that or how to do it?

[@TwoBrosRC]

You have to reprogram the receiver before you get 150% rates. Write down the AS3X settings and redo them. If you did all of this already, check the gain settings for AS3X and SAFE and ensure that they're fixed gain, not relative. If they're relative and you have no channel assigned, it will default to 0 gain.

[@phevosraptopoulous2241]

@@TwoBrosRC Do you have any videos doing this by any chance?

[@TwoBrosRC]

@@phevosraptopoulous2241 It should be very simple to do, there's not really any way you can muck it up. Search YT for "unlock AR637TA" which should cover the technique.

[@phevosraptopoulous2241]

@@TwoBrosRC yea searched it up bu found nothing about how to specifcally get 150 rates, for you, did your prog through spektum programmer to get them or through forward programming/

[@TwoBrosRC]

@@phevosraptopoulous2241 150% rates comes from the transmitter servo settings but will only take effect on a BnF receiver once you've *unlocked and factory reset it* - otherwise it won't work.

[@Bombana01]

hi..i have trouble setting my NX10 to 150% Rates..it goes far at 125% in the D/R Expo section but the surface controls of my timber evo doesnt move over the 100% rate and after days im trying i dont manage to do it or probably understanding...please can you show a full set up video on how to do it? i would really appreciate....thanks

[@TwoBrosRC]

You change the travel in the servo settings, not in dual rates. You have to unlock the receiver to go beyond 100%. This is covered in the video. Check over it again. To unlock, visit kzbin.info/www/bejne/fGTMpJWsZrprm68

[@Bombana01]

@@TwoBrosRC ok i manage to unlock it i guess after registering it on the web and updating it trough 'spektrum programmer'....than i went into the 'servo setup' and into 'travel' section and i changed the rudder at 130 but on my timber the servo is still moving only at 100%. any idea what im doing wrong?..sorry to bother you again but im new with spektrum since i bought it 3 weeks ago plus im italian and i probably missed to understand some of your explanation about it in your video ....do you know any youtube video about showing how to extend servo travel? thanks again for your help

[@TwoBrosRC]

@@Bombana01 You have to unlock the receiver and factory reset it before you can move beyond 100%.

[@Bombana01]

@@TwoBrosRC: oh yes..i see now where im wrong…i’ll try and I’ll let you know. One last question: after i factory reset it can i transfer a new model image in it for the safe select? (switching it on/off at my will) Thanks again for your help/info🙏🕉️

[@TwoBrosRC]

@@Bombana01 You'll have to reprogram it manually. There's video tutorials on it if you search KZbin.

[@2.4g-rc]

Hey, how did you get 150% rates on the stock receiver? Cheers

[@TwoBrosRC]

You unlock and reprogram it.

[@2.4g-rc]

@@TwoBrosRC Thanks

[@argosfry]

Why don't you have your Transmitter FILE for download? That would be great. Thanks

[@TwoBrosRC]

Because most people don't have an IX20SE, and following along doesn't take much effort. It also teaches you how to do this on your own so you'll have the ability to program anything you want.

[@schalkvs]

Did you only replace the elevator and rudder servo?

[@TwoBrosRC]

All of the servos.

[@schalkvs]

@@TwoBrosRC will a servo like the savox SH-0255MG also be a good replacement to go for?

[@TwoBrosRC]

No idea, maybe!

[@richardgross2933]

Love u page.

[@poker8193]

Does anyone have ideas pertaining to What’s the best way to remove the servos to upgrade them ?

[@TwoBrosRC]

The wing servos are easy to remove. The fuselage servos just need to be gently pulled out. You can apply turpentine to the glue behind them which will soften them, or just pull the servo with a pair of pliers until it gives.

[@poker8193]

@@TwoBrosRC thanks my elivator servo is going out after 15 easy scale flights no 3D. So I’m upgrading

[@TwoBrosRC]

@@poker8193 tinyurl.com/B11DLS have served my Timbers well for years. You'll notice an immediate difference. Add more expo because it'll be somewhat more touchy with more torque and speed.

[@poker8193]

@@TwoBrosRC that’s what I ordered after watching your video. Wich brought me to asking about how to remove. Thanks again I hope they are delivered before the weekevd

[@BussiOlli]

Hallo, Ich habe den Turbo Timber evolution. Meine Frage??? Was bedeutet Drosselschnitt -130 in den Einstellungen??? Dankeschön im voraus!!!

[@TwoBrosRC]

It means throttle is set to -130.

[@BussiOlli]

@@TwoBrosRC Vielen Dank ✌️👌

[@brandonseals6732]

Can you take a picture of wiring? Or do u have it posted somewhere??

[@TwoBrosRC]

Read over the comments, we've described the process for ya.

[@brandonseals6732]

I never seen a pic...

[@TwoBrosRC]

@@brandonseals6732 We're not posting a photo - the comments describe the process.

[@brandonseals6732]

Well u said u could in the video...

[@TwoBrosRC]

@@brandonseals6732 That was well before the YT channel grew to the size it is now - we can't give step-by-step instructions in comments anymore. Simply don't have the time given our current upload schedule and strong desire to be away from KZbin when we're not posting content - it's getting overwhelming and keeping us from having a normal social life. Read through the comments, or better yet, here's some pasted instructions we gave another fellow: All you have to do is unscrew the two wing plugs in the fuselage, unplug them from the receiver, and cut one of the leads going into the aileron plug right before where it plugs into the plastic lead. Use a DuPont connector kit (like the one in my description) and affix a new servo lead to the end of the cut wire, then connect that to channel 5 or 6 - depending on which channel your transmitter expects the aileron to be connected when you've set it up as a 2 Aileron 1 Flap wing type. Once this is done and the receiver is reprogrammed, you'll have stabilization on both ailerons.

[@lanceforrester819]

how many cells is that battery?

[@TwoBrosRC]

Six.

[@jacobboone6078]

Can you guide me to more info on the wiring changes you made to get crow?? Thanks man, love your vids!

[@jacobboone6078]

Nevermind I see you already answered below!

[@TwoBrosRC]

Glad to be of service.

[@jacobboone6078]

@@TwoBrosRC took me all day (during my baby’s naps) but I got this all setup and did a test flight. All worked amazing thanks again!!!!

[@TwoBrosRC]

@@jacobboone6078 Anytime, glad to help.

[@steven198130]

how u remove the flap servos

[@TwoBrosRC]

There's a door on the underside of each wing. Take a sharp modeling knife and cut the door free from the stickers, then gently pull it off and change out the servos.

[@steven198130]

@@TwoBrosRC i guess stock servo arms for the new servos and r there any mods to the servo pockets to install new servos or just stock

[@indianapolisrcmodelersclub9430]

I missed the servos that you used as replacements - what are they again.

[@TwoBrosRC]

tinyurl.com/B11DLS

[@bigeicikulm8511]

@@TwoBrosRC Did you change all servos or just these two in the fuselage, please?

[@TwoBrosRC]

@@bigeicikulm8511 I changed all of them.

[@thechristianbear2001]

The 9 gram 21 dollar pair or the 5 gram- or the 13gr 😬 I wanna upgrade my rudder and elevator inside the fuselage servos- just wanna make sure I get the right ones that will fit- thanks for all you do

[@TwoBrosRC]

tinyurl.com/B11DLS is what we used on all surfaces, Barry.

[@arturocaballero7208]

How do you setup dual rates and expo?

[@TwoBrosRC]

Should be covered in the vid.

[@arturocaballero7208]

@@TwoBrosRC Nope. Not even mentioned in the entire video.

[@TwoBrosRC]

@@arturocaballero7208 Pretty sure it is lol

[@arturocaballero7208]

@@TwoBrosRC Around what time in the video? I've watched it at least five times in full. Mainly because I think is very informational and I have a Timber EVO I'm having trouble with.

[@TwoBrosRC]

@@arturocaballero7208 6:26 - it's also tagged "150% Rates" as a chapter. We didn't cover expo because it's up to personal preference, but we fly ours with 40% aileron expo, 50% elevator, and 50% rudder.

[@LFLYSRC]

How do I unlock the receiver?

[@TwoBrosRC]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/fGTMpJWsZrprm68

[@LFLYSRC]

@@TwoBrosRC thanks 😘

[@ericclark852]

Hey jon can you please send me a pic of your setup for crow braking?

[@TwoBrosRC]

All the info is in the vid, including on-screen displays showing the setup info.

[@ericclark852]

@@TwoBrosRC I’m trying to understand which wire to splice into for this to work

[@TwoBrosRC]

Follow the aileron lead from the left plug to the receiver. It should be in channel 2. Cut ONE of the leads where it meets the plug going into the receiver, then crimp on a new connector using a DuPont kit linked in the description and plug it into the channel the receiver is expecting when the transmitter is set to 2 Ailerons, 1 Flap. Then follow the rest of the steps and you're good to go.

[@kokman62]

Hi just would like to not how to get flap & elevator to work together on my ix20 on a draco as I've had a look at mixers but on share cheers Robbie

[@TwoBrosRC]

Clarify?

[@kokman62]

@@TwoBrosRC yes, please show how to rewire the aileron would help me cheers

[@TwoBrosRC]

@@kokman62 Rewire the aileron?

[@jamesturncliff5960]

A how you did the crow would have been a good info video? TOOOOO bad me sad

[@TwoBrosRC]

We listed how to set up crow with this model - unless you're talking about the physical adjustments needed? That's pretty simple, just let us know and we can walk you through it quickly.