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[@dioneberts1715]

He killed Tracy because he was envious of the life she and David had, which caused the wrath of David to kill him.

[@ice-iu3vv]

yes alex's wife went full dunce at the end not comprehending it. "i think the baby would be 8 right?"

[@foljs5858]

Yep. And the last 2 punishments is to the killer (for envy) and to David (for wrath). David's wife death was not one of the 7 punishments of sin, just a "tool" to bring about the last 2 punishents. Oh, and David was punished not by being murdered for his wrath, but through the murder of his wife (nobody said all punishments have to murders of the sinner. It just so happened that 6 were).

[@mikemath9508]

but wrath didn't die so he didn't win

[@foljs5858]

@@mikemath9508 Wrath didn't have to die. Just to be punished. Mills was punished for wrath through the murder of his wife.

[@cnesmith978]

I always assumed David got the death penalty, completing the 7 sins.

[@chaost4544]

In the scene with Sloth, the director purposely hid from the actors the guy was supposed to be alive so the reaction you see from them is a genuine jump scare.

[@slayerrocks2]

They chose a skinny actor to portray starvation. The, already skeletal actor, starved himself, because he thought they wanted him thinner.

[@TedBrogan]

Worked especially well with the officer. He noped the FUCK outta there w a quickness.

[@Verasoul]

I love when filmmakers pull this off like with the chest bursting scene in Alien. None of the actors besides the one that had his chest bursted knew about it. Another similar scene is in Rob Zombie's Halloween when Michael smashes Loomis' car window to drag Laurie out. Michael McDowell wasn't told and his abrupt "What the hell?!" was not acting.

[@DravenGal]

@@Verasoul Sir John Hurt was the chest burst guy. An amazing actor. May he RIP. 💙

[@believeume122]

I've never seen someone so clueless and confused at the end of Seven. He literally explained the ending correctly and she ignored him and found the exact same answer. Yikes

[@carbuneskinny5797]

ahhaahha

[@DecapitatedPlaythings]

I couldn't have said it better.. That was very embarrassing for her especially on camera. How can you be that clueless.. Dear lord!

[@stephenswavely231]

You're wrong. The killed people were supposed to be the sinners. However, story isn't as good of Tracey doesn't get killed.

[@DecapitatedPlaythings]

@@stephenswavely231 LOL..

[@kristamcnair1430]

Omg 🤦🏿‍♀️ TRACY was not a sin lol.....

[@das_tapfere_Schneiderlein]

David Mill's sin was wrath and his wife died in his place. It says in Genesis 2 that husband and wife will become one flesh, so if you consider it from that perspective.. Mills didn't die himself but his own flesh did. So yes, Tracey's death stands for her husband's wrath.

[@zuzauramek9850]

Mill's own flesh is his and Tracey's kid in the womb. Tracy was only a carrier.

[@johnplaysgames3120]

Also, it could be argued that it was David's wrath at the stairwell that caused John Doe to target him as the last victim in the first place, thereby leading to the end of his family life, and that it was also his wrath that ended his career the moment he executed John Doe. The final act of John Doe's plan could be read as Wrath figuratively killing himself. That being said, John Doe never said that his plan was to kill seven people in a manner related to their sins. We, as the audience, assume that because that's how the plan starts. But, really, the only goal he ever discusses is to create a spectacle/event/art/whatever that shocks the world out of its apathy. He accomplishes that without killing David by pushing David into embodying wrath (thereby proving his earlier stated point that even the most supposedly heroic, admirable person is not above sin) and we see one result of his act: Somerset, who was going to retire, decides not to. In other words, he was shocked out of his apathy and reevaluated his decision to give up on the world (saying, at the end, that he believes the world "is worth fighting for"). There didn't have to be a seventh sin-related murder victim for John Doe's plan to be fulfilled. Tracy and the baby were just tools to get Mills to take on the role of Wrath, prove Doe's point, and wake people up.

[@foljs5858]

She didn't "die in his place". She merely died to entice him to become wrath. His punishment was his wife dying - not "dying in his place".

[@LN-Lifer]

Or his death could be execution for the murder. But probably not likely in a crime of passion

[@LN-Lifer]

@@johnplaysgames3120 Not that it would wake people up. Any sane person would be fine with him shooting the psycho. By sane I mean not Democrats. They would totally side with the psycho

[@reservoirdude92]

FYI: don't go until films you're watching for the first time wondering if it'll match your modern day sensibilities. The film is the film, no matter the year, and it should speak for itself without people worrying if it'll be "offensive" or not.

[@joelspaulding5964]

Very much, This.

[@garypasquill2355]

dirty Harry from the 1970's is being reviewed by people with today's standards, him being right wing,racist, even considered by some to be a nazi

[@pink_alligator]

Well you should go into things with an Awareness of it bcs you can't straight up measure aged works by your modern standards without taking any heed to when it was made and it's plain wrong to demand it to measure up It's not right to judge something dated by your modern sensibilities I'm not saying you can't or that it shouldn't ever be, you absolutely *can* and some things *need* to be What shouldn't ever be is judging them with the same expectations as for modern works

[@dailyreddit3290]

most people are so attached and focused on modern sensitivites that a lot of times they miss the point, and the whole purpose of the movie is ruined and it cannot be repaired. Timing and details are key in these complex films.

[@nathanpapp432]

I actually thought he meant that the film would look dated. Like the CGI wouldnt be up to his Marvel standards, being shot on film he expected it to look all scratchy and grainy. I think youre actually giving him too much credit.

[@James-iu2km]

She is *FAR* too hung up on "The *Death's* must represent each sin"... that wasn't the plan. There didn't even need to be 7 dead people, the *SINS* are the point, *NOT* the deaths. And because she was so hung up on that non-point, you guys basically missed one of the greatest lines ever spoken, especially in Morgan Freeman's immaculate voice: "Earnest Hemingway once wrote: "The world is a fine place and worth fighting for." .... I agree with the second part." As in.. the world is *NOT* a "fine place".... but it *IS* worth fighting for. And that basically *IS LIFE.* I learned a *LONG* time ago... "fair" is something to be sought after but *NEVER* expected, because Life... *IS NOT* "Fair"... at all.

[@alexhefnerstvmovievault]

life is definitely not fair

[@isabelsilva62023]

They have no idea who Ernest Hemingway was nor are they used to movies where listening is important...

[@keetahbrough]

In reality, life is just, and that is enough. But in an economic power structure, life is not only unfair, but apparently a privilege or a right.

[@billymuellerTikTok]

in the movie script they specify that killing a suspect in custody is automatic death penalty for Mills

[@johnhouse9983]

yeah... these two blow

[@buddabudda]

"He's a bit of a creeper." Hell of a method actor, that Kevin Spacey.

[@V3x0r]

Creep or not he's a superb actor.

[@riphopfer5816]

@@V3x0rAgreed. If we condemned the work of every artist who had-shall we say-‘questionable’ morality, we’d have none. It’s been statistically proven, though I can’t recall where (I read this maybe 15 years ago), that geniuses are more inclined to vices in general, and addictive ones in particular. That’s one of the reasons Sir Arthur Conan Doyle’s Sherlock Holmes was so ahead of his time: AFAIK, he’s one of the first writers in popular culture to depict an archetypal INTP character as an hero, but a flawed hero. Holmes typically preferred his own company, came across as brusque, and had addictions to tobacco, cocaine, and opium.

[@gennyreese420]

Even though it was totally planned out, Tracy and the unborn babies deaths were collateral damage, innocents. In his attempt to act on his envy of a normal life, it didn’t go so well, and they paid the price, invoking wrath. The whole thing is twisted and fucked up but yeah it’s a great movie glad you guys seem to enjoy it even though it’s twisted and fucked up, you’ll never forget it.

[@clonexx]

Tracy wasn’t just collateral though. 7 people died for the 7 sins. Mills’ sin was Wrath, yet Mills doesn’t die. John Doe died for Envy, and Tracy is basically the stand in for Wrath, she died so that Mills could become Wrath. This makes her very much a part of Mills’ sin of Wrath.

[@gennyreese420]

@@clonexx I totally hear you, I was just pointing out that Tracy wasn't actually a sinner, Sarah had asked what her sin was I was just trying to make the correlations that you made without making her a sinner great reaction though huh

[@clonexx]

@@gennyreese420 True, Tracy had no sin, she was just unlucky to be the stand in for Mills’ sin. I don’t see how anyone doesn’t pull the trigger in that situation, I would have. I doubt I’d think of the consequences knowing what happened to my wife, I’d see pure red and lose control.

[@foljs5858]

@@clonexx "7 people died for the 7 sins. Mills’ sin was Wrath, yet Mills doesn’t die." 7 people were punished. Didn't have to die. 6 died, but Mills was punished through having his wife killed

[@mightybalzaq6686]

@@foljs5858 Exactly.

[@mynameisnotearl4383]

*David Fincher* is one of the all time great filmmakers. *Fight Club, Panic Room, The Girl with a Dragon tattoo, Zodiac, The Social Network and Gone Girl* - Fincher classics.

[@KRUZradio]

Yeah those are all good.. liked gone girl too.

[@Drainoboy1974]

Fincher and Nolan are two of the best directors in the last 30 years.

[@reineh3477]

Girl with a dragon tattoo is just a copy of the Swedish movie but with English speaking actors.

[@Jabber-ig3iw]

I will defend Alien 3 until the day I die.

[@spinin1251]

You guys do my biggest pet peeve when watching a movie: asking a question about what is going on, when waiting just 10 - 30 seconds would have given you the answer. For example, "Why did he do that?!" 30 seconds later, "oh, duh, that's why." It's our society nowadays, everything should be neatly explained immediately, as even the slightest ambiguity is uncomfortable. Also, sometimes it's good for a movie not to explain everything neatly, leaving you to figure some things out on your own.

[@griffinrhodes2089]

What's in the box tho.

[@kinsmart7294]

Its also why people forget movies instantly. Greek and medieval philosophers deliberately used "hard" examples that you needed to work your head around so that you memorized what was written(an very important ability considering books were at libraries and you didn't have handbooks).

[@lazarushatchette3978]

They have to do that for the copyright dude.

[@krautgazer]

Oh shit, good that I'm reading the comments. I'm definitely not watching this reaction. Don't want to put myself into frustration willingly.

[@riopato2009]

That "what's going on!?!" "I'm Confused" WTF moments make good movies very rewatchable. The question of "why" is so satisfying when realizing the answer whether you figure out the answer within 10 seconds or until the end of a movie. That's the whole point of reacting for the first time seeing it so it makes you want to watch it again to understand it. Your pet peeve is exactly why mystery thrillers are so popular, because the anticipation can't be contained. It's also why reaction videos are so entertaining. Watching someone else react to something they've never seen before allows you to relive the first time you've seen it in comparison.

[@Thepitz2000]

Tracy was not ENVY, John Doe was ENVY and David became WRATH when he killed John Doe. JEEEEEZE

[@alexhefnerstvmovievault]

we eventually got it 😂😂

[@GoVandals0605]

No. YOU did...

[@cwflad]

​@@GoVandals0605 She was referring to the death's, not the actual representations of the sins. She was correct from the perspective that she was referring to.

[@Miguel_Aleman]

I actually loved that you both took the time to find meaning in the seven dead people in relation to the sins. I really like the interpretation that the seven sins caused seven deaths. The idea, as explained by Doe is that Mills and himself are the last sins, but it did slightly bug me knowing that an innocent woman died without herself being a message. I like thinking her purpose is a side effect of envy existing in this world; that envy kills as much as wrath does. @alexhefnerstvmovievault

[@Miguel_Aleman]

​@@alexhefnerstvmovievaultSo... who cares you had to think about a movie you just saw? That is a good thing.

[@gelfling3077]

Y'all: "Oh, 1995 LOL I was 1, you were 3, LOLOLOL" I'm over here weeping cause I was watching it in the movie theater during college. Sigh. ANYWAY, seeing this in the theater was a trip. Grown adults, tough guys all around, screaming and yelling at the screen, it was absolute chaos. Great times.

[@roberthorne9017]

I had just gotten out of college in 1995, and you are not wrong. We had to go to the nearest coffee shop to wrestle with this movie because you couldn't just forget it, much less its ending.

[@alexandersteinmetz6857]

Well, i were 26, and watched It with 2 female Friends, and we just did sit and beeing silent for some Minutes right after the Watch in the Bar at the Cinema. After 5 Minutes one came up: so much for an funny Saturday Evening downtown(or how you translate Altstadt-Oldtown?). Some Moments later we were on our Way to our Homes. Really punched us at that Time. It surprisingly lost an good Amount of its Horror somehow for me. Perhaps bcs the last 20 Years did escalate in the Medias in Cases of Brutality and Extremes, Ppl doing literally anything to be noticed or simply dont care about other Human Lives to reach Their Goals. All live televised ofc. So back Then that was an whole new Level. Horrifying its not anymore today for me, got to Think that one out ......

[@ScientificallyStupid]

I had just started college, it was a really strange time for me, and my friends (from high school) and I went to see this movie- it was really telling that I was the only one who loved the film, my friends all absolutely hated it. I had never seen anything like it and was amazed that a movie like this, with such an ending, could exist- nothing I had seen before could have prepared me.

[@veggiesaremurder]

WOW. Trying to get her to understand the ending which was EXPLICITLY STATED IN THE MOVIE was like pulling teeth! John Doe was Envy. Mills was wrath. He used the death of Tracy, then taunted him about it, to get the reaction he wanted out of Mills. She wasn't one of the sins: she was a tool to get Mills to kill him. Det. Mills had a short fuse the whole movie. Good grief!

[@MrLegovas]

The only logical explanation is the one i saw in comments: "David Mill's sin was wrath and his wife died in his place. It says in Genesis 2 that husband and wife will become one flesh, so if you consider it from that perspective.. Mills didn't die himself but his own flesh did. So yes, Tracey's death stands for her husband's wrath.' But its a complicated one. I think her point was - everyone died for his/her own sin and representing the sin. Tracy died "with no sin" and that breaks the logic of all other murders

[@IcyTorment]

@@MrLegovas That's not a logical interpretation of it at all. The logical interpretation is that John Doe's plan was to make someone representative of each of the seven sins suffer for that sin. So he got himself killed for envy, caused Mills to have to live with his wife's and child's deaths and also destroy his career, made the lust victim live with having been forced to kill a prostitute, made the pride victim choose between death and disfigurement, etc.

[@MrLegovas]

@@IcyTorment Thats true, the Lust dude did survive too, thank you. In that case i like the concept itself a little less i think

[@shenard6222]

That is one of the most disturbing movies, I've ever seen - and one of the best! That ending is just so well done

[@tinasjostrand2677]

The acting in that car is the best I have ever seen.

[@Draugheim]

"He's a really good creeper". He sure is :D Both in acting and real life.

[@MajaZaguan]

Dude, everyone's attracted to Brad Pitt. My seventy years old straight as an arrow dad said "well, damn, that is one fine looking gentleman".

[@citisoccer]

Facts. Admitting someone is an attractive person doesn't make you gay or something, just means you're not a hater. And if you're attracted to men, I gotta think you're attracted to Brad Pitt lol.

[@thereisnopandemic]

Your dad might not be as straight as you think, maybe bi

[@amandawalker7739]

I'm not attracted to Brad Pitt LOL So there's a few of us out there

[@VelkanAngels]

@@amandawalker7739 - I'm not either. I don't think there exists a human that ALL other humans find attractive. Which country one was brought up in plays a role as well, as different parts of the world have different beauty ideals (to an extent, anyway).

[@mrjackpots1326]

Too short.

[@stephenzepp6536]

So you can't focus on trying to equate Tracy's death with any Sin at all--she and the unborn baby represent Innocence, which is a victim of Sin. The overall purpose of John Doe's "storytelling" is to demonstrate the raw brutality of each of the Seven Deadly Sins, and as he mentioned in the ride to the last scene, people have become so inured to the sins around us every day that he has to illustrate them in the most brutal way possible--death by murder. Tracy's death was also of course the trigger to get Mills to become the last sin: Wrath. To put it another way, the deaths in the film are all incidental to the story John is trying to illustrate: they are simply an in your face underline with multiple exclamation points to highlight the corresponding Sin itself.

[@TedBrogan]

I think you have to view the final 2 sins as "un-scripted", in a way, since it seems like John Doe became quickly enamored with Mills who had only arrived a week prior. I agree with you regarding Doe's plan to illustrate the sins in a very specific way, but for the final 2 he had to create a new ending on the fly.

[@dailyreddit3290]

It might sound brutal for most people on today's society but he's right, if you want to get someone's attention, tapping on the shoulder might not be enough, you need to slap them on the face.

[@juanausensi499]

@@dailyreddit3290 Yes, but nobody is entitled to have the attention of anybody else.

[@theConquerersMama]

I think by having the woman choose to kill herself and the sex worker killed by the person lusting after her (she was the object of lust, she did not go to his office to get him to go looking for sex - she could have been anyone. The device was made to punish & break the person wearing it. The one who was lustful.) I think each were acts involving death but not necessarily everyone killed was guilty of a sin. It was the whole artistic tableau of playing God.

[@RolandDeschain1]

This is one of the most memorable theatrical experiences ever. I knew nothing going in, and by the time I walked out I felt like I had been hit over the head with a bat. I also knew I had just seen an absolute masterpiece.

[@stefanformgren4978]

same here, very few movie have that effect, and its wonderfull when it happens :)

[@krisfrederick5001]

This film leaves a dense...deep...dark...led blanket on your soul.

[@richardlacey4923]

What about the boom operator on the set?

[@hjr_official]

I remember watching this in theaters, not having even seen a trailer for it beforehand. Weirdest feeling I ever felt after a movie. I didn't want to talk and my legs felt weird and numb walking back to my car. What an amazing movie, still top 3 of all time for me.

[@danielwong5378]

I saw this in theaters at 14 and I understood everything the first time. It was so frustrating watching her not understand something so simple.

[@nicktaylor3747]

i was going to say the same thing, like every time he asked her "did you see that"? "do you understand whats going on?" Every time shes like a deer in headlights and responds "no, or i dont get it." Not too bright, definitely shouldn't be reviewing movies

[@d3l3tes00n]

@@nicktaylor3747 Maybe you shouldn't be watching them then instead of being a dick.

[@riopato2009]

Yes but did you realize how many died or suffer because of those sins the first time you watched it? or did you just limit your understanding it to just the sins itself? Because so much more than 8 deaths happened besides those who suffered due to these sins.

[@danielwong5378]

@@riopato2009 You're taking this a little too deep than the topic of discussion suggests. I'm not here to give you the opportunity to intellectually masturbate on some irrelevant topic that I never mentioned in the first place.

[@strider5119]

Except it was completely against the point he was trying to make. He killed people he perceived to be sinners. The wife wasn't a sinner, she was innocent. He killed her to make the cop become wrath. So while all of that makes perfect sense, the fact he killed an innocent person threw her (the viewer) off. It was completely contradicting the point he was trying to make. I understood the film the first time I saw it too, but there's a good reason she's confused by it.

[@SaraReffler]

In case no one else mentioned it, when they yell "Dicks" it's not meant as an insult, it's shorthand/slang for detectives, because PIs and detectives "watch" things, and "to dick" means "to watch." It started as mafia/mob slang, and then became mainstream with Dick Tracy, and still happens in departments today.

[@natedawg8778]

"This movie was made in 95', I was ONE?" WOW!!! Way to make me feel old 😧

[@johanneabelsen1644]

And I was 27...😢

[@katnisseverdeen81]

Why is she having such a hard time understanding? Alex made it pretty clear

[@leob4403]

Low iq

[@marianogonzalez1977]

Into the same genre I recommend you watch "The bone collector" with Denzel Washington and Angelina Jolie. Another very good movie.

[@michonneokoye4990]

Very underappreciated movie!

[@marleinasmom]

Just don't read the book first! It makes the movie suck.

[@robertreichle1]

I bought a TV a couple of days ago, and the instruction booklet had a page titled: What's in the box. I laughed uncontrollably at that. There's also a moment in the old classic To Kill A Mockingbird film where Jem has been collecting things from the Radley's tree by the street, and Scout sees him messing around with the stuff on his bed, and she says: What in the box? I can never see that the same way. I love "What's in the box." Especially since I can't stand Gwyneth Paltrow! LOL

[@interghost]

Wow, your wife ruined that whole reaction with that argument over the ending! - That movies has one of the best endings to a movie EVER! - Never seen anyone so confused over that ending? - Jesus! pmsl

[@topkidproject]

womp womp it's 2024 been 2 years

[@Lestat13]

I’ve never seen anyone so confused by the ending, lol! Mrs. Hefner...you’re being too literal...Tracy was a means to an end. Mills “was” the 7th victim. He didn’t “literally” die, but his career, his life, everything important to him was destroyed. So, he, essentially, died. Does that clear things up? 😸

[@billymuellerTikTok]

he died according to the movie script - automatic death penalty for killing a suspect in custody

[@Lestat13]

@@billymuellerTikTok Wow. I never heard that, all these years...I could’ve sworn that his partner was going to see that he gets the very best leniency...I imagined an asylum situation...

[@billymuellerTikTok]

@@Lestat13 they changed the ending when they made the movie and left it ambiguous as to what happens with Mills by having the police captain say "we'll take care of him" which either means we'll lock him up or we'll make sure he gets a good defense lawyer (if there are any left - one was killed and John Doe used another) and had Somerset stay on and not retire and added the Hemingway quote about the world being worth fighting for. there are several different versions of the screenplay, one where Mills shoots Somerset in the shoulder and then kills John Doe. Another there Somerset throws his switchblade at Mills to try to prevent him from killing John Doe. Personally, I think any good lawyer would at the very least plea bargain to avoid the death penalty or get the charges against Mills lowered to temporary insanity over hearing about his wife and baby's murder.

[@Lestat13]

@@billymuellerTikTok I definitely believe, with his record & the fucked up circumstances, he’d get an insanity plea or homicide, with a suspended sentence, irl. I’m happy with the direction that they went with the ending.

[@USCFlash]

@@Lestat13 totally i wrote the exact same thing, when someone said he'd get life in jail on another se7en reaction 2 months ago....here it is: "The interesting thing to ponder about the ending (just to think about)...i don't think they'd send mills to jail. He'd probably plead temporary insanity....which is completely understandable. No way he'd go to prison due to the circumstances. A judge would be sympathetic, he'd have top notch defense attorneys provided by the police union. Somerset would testify as to his state of mind at the time (finding out his wife & unborn child that he did not know about had been slaughtered). The District Attorney had been in the room with Mills & Somerset with John Doe's lawyer, who said Doe himself would plead insanity, if Mills & Somerset won't go with him. The Attorney said that they all knew that he could get him off o an insanity plea due to the extreme nature of the crimes. The D.A. would likely immediately offer an easy plea deal. No way it even goes to trial. He'd leave the force for good, & receive a very light sentence to spend two months in a private mental hospital receiving counseling. IMO, of course."

[@chelseacarpenter2302]

"what's in the box?!?" Such a great movie!

[@markwood9934]

First, I found your channel a couple days ago and I binged your marvel playlist. I can’t explain how much I enjoy your joy in those videos. Well done. Secondly, I worked in a pawn shop and every time someone brought in a closed box I’d say “what’s in the box?” like Brad Pitt. Honestly, 50% of the time they’d respond “It’s Gwyneth head.”

[@nicolem376]

This is a film you’ll remember for a long time. Here we go! 🤗

[@BlackieNuff]

LOL!!! Alex's reaction to the Sloth jump-scare (14:30) was priceless!! He jumped more than Sara did, haha! That is why I watch reaction videos! 😀

[@alexhefnerstvmovievault]

haha thanks for watching!

[@Kamenari37]

Tracy is not part of the deadly representations of Sin. You have to remember, John Doe was not killing people as the endgame, he was punishing them as he saw fit. It just wound up that his punishments tended to result in the victim's death. With Pride he gave a way out by giving her the phone and the pills. She could have called 911 for help but instead, she chose to take the pills and end it due to how she'd look. John Doe didn't just envy people with a normal life, he envied Mills specifically for what he had so when he killed Tracy that would likely be interpreted as a manifestation of jealousy on his part, which of course he would feel the need to be punished for given his own morals. That's why he pushes Detective Mills buttons so hard during the final scenes. He wants to be punished, and he also wants Mills to be punished with the consequences of letting himself succumb to wrath and taking vengeance on him. Trying to do the math by the body count doesn't work, and also misses the point of what John Doe was trying to do with his message, not that a person like that makes much sense anyway but, yeah. You kinda got hung up on the wrong things there towards the end.

[@riopato2009]

Tracy had to die in order to justify John Doe's envy. I'm curious what John Doe would've done if Mills and Somersett didn't cause Doe to expedite his plans. Doe didn't know nor did he plan on Mills to be the wild card that basically became his next victim. All the other sins were methodically planned out except for Mills since Doe couldn't have planned for Mill's involvement in the case since he's been on the job for only a week. Most likely Doe's target would've been Somersett who would've worked on his killings. If Mills didn't fight to be transferred to that office, would John Doe be able to finish Envy and Wrath the way it did in the movie?

[@RyoHazuki224]

The "sins" aren't necessarily the one who is dead. Remember the Lust one, sure there is a dead woman but also the person who killed her is also a part of Lust, and he's alive but he's the one that actually killed the woman. Same with Mills. He's not dead, but he is one of the deadly sins of Wrath. His wife is just a part of that. This is one of the few movies in which the villain wins. Such a great movie. Sick movie, but so damn great.

[@IcyTorment]

In fact, if things had gone a little differently, John Doe's plan would have resulted in fewer deaths. The greed victim might have managed to cut himself in a way that didn't result in him bleeding out. The pride victim might have chosen to live. And, of course, the dead prostitute can't be the lust victim because she was motivated by greed, not lust. Her customer was the lust victim.

[@TheScottSlater]

Life was simpler before we knew what was in the box

[@Manders13]

Definitely watch "Fight Club" - fantastic movie, very well-directed, and just a visual treat! Loving the new channel!

[@michaelkey9549]

seconded. Fight Club, if you haven't seen it. I'd watch that reaction. I'd watch it twice.

[@tinasjostrand2677]

I don't think both of these people will understand that movie...

[@trumphatesyou]

David Fincher is an amazing Director. Gone Girl, Fight Club, and The Game are all pretty amazing.

[@leob4403]

Gone Girl overrated

[@steved1135]

Right on. Yet another shining example of why the 90's were the golden age of film. Fincher hits hard here in mood and atmosphere. And of course, there's the plot resolution... And, Spacey knocks it out of the park and steals the film. Brilliant.

[@laurenceholloway2359]

Golden age of film... Wow...

[@randywhite3947]

​@@laurenceholloway2359 what do you mean?

[@ranaskip]

She reminds me of a first date I had with this women, we went to see a film, she talked thru the whole movie predicting the next scene, at the end she didnt understand what it was about. It was the last we had date to

[@lukasjandik3359]

yep. Bit overreacted at the end...

[@kaydawgy1999]

You should probably cut out the girl's commentary at the end as she is getting obliterated in the comments.

[@Fanaticforfilm]

At the end she made my brain hurt....

[@Cirillarose]

[@Fanaticforfilm]

Nothing but love...but Alex was right...killing his wife fulfilled Envy and when Brad killed him it was Wrath

[@beatnpotatoes]

the crazy part with Brad pitt when he was chasing John Doe, when he fell in the garbage, he broke his wrist for real and cut himself on some glass. thats his real blood on him in that scene.

[@joselobalderas]

I just want to give you props for going through the comments, and even though some are kind of mean, you replied to a good bunch of them in good spirits. Keep the reactions coming.

[@justanotherotrguy]

I was chuckling the entire video bc you two are like an exact representation of my wife and i watching a movie. I talk and talk and talk, guess whats about to happen while she sirs there quietly, just wanting me to stop talking and to keep watching. lol this was awesome

[@ThirdEye...]

Good final point, but then … just remember it’s just a movie, doesn’t have to make sense!

[@Parallaxus]

Another great reaction! Your wife is like me in a movie, wanting to be quiet and absorb everything, whereas you are what I want from a movie reactor to a movie I've already seen; someone who talks a lot during the movie. Funny how that works!

[@leob4403]

What the heck is the point of watching someone who is just quiet and deadpan the whole time?

[@mrjackpots1326]

She keeps him grounded. They're a good match.

[@spinin1251]

Yeah, the serial killer reveal 3/4 through the movie was a huge surprise. Not only because of how they did it, with the killer voluntarily turning himself in with 30 minutes to go in the movie, but also, obviously, who the actor was. Real big surprise at the time in 1995.

[@jondishmonmusicandstuff2753]

The poor young lady never got it. She never understood that you got it, and she was stuck on

[@rashby69]

The opening song is Closer by Nine Inch Nails

[@Manders13]

Indeedy! Made a full-ass fool of myself at the theater blurting that out during the credits, lol

[@deedeestardust2535]

Ohhh Se7en! What a classic! The sloth victim… it still hunts me to this day and I know is coming but still I 😱 every.single.time. When this came out, nobody knew that Kevin Spacey was in it so it was shocking; Pitt, Freeman and Fincher at their best! 👍🏼

[@billymuellerTikTok]

they also left him off the opening credits and from all the trailers and movie posters

[@BigBrianBruce]

Always a great scene I think what gets you is that fact he made this guys so much that instead of killing him he made him suffer a slow death

[@mightybalzaq6686]

One of my favorite flicks. Twisted, haunting, philosophical, beautifully shot, excellent music/atmosphere and wonderful casting.

[@GhostDrummer]

R Lee Ermey was awesome as the captain in this. Also, @ 9:54 Gwyneth introducing Mills and Somerset to each other by their first names was funny. I was a correctional deputy for years. Old coworkers and I still call each other by our last names. And one more…”Dick” is slang for detective. I lied…Brad actually started filming with his wrist injured, so it was incorporated into the scenes after the shootout in the hallways/alley. The scenes without him being in the cast and sling were filmed later.

[@MrGpschmidt]

David Fincher's uncompromising masterpiece achieved with dark elan and a DynamicDuo of Pitt & Freeman with a sharp as a razor screenplay. A perfect film. Great choice.

[@MrGpschmidt]

PS: The unknown city is purposely anonymous to reflect this can happen in any American city (but it was on locations in Chicago among others).

[@Obiwankanoli]

Silence of the lambs if you haven't already seen it. Make sure you're wife is with you too. Its a classic masterpiece

[@richarddefortuna2252]

The Deadly Sin of Sloth is much more nuanced than just being lazy or refusing to work; as with all of the Deadly Sins, its existence would be determined by awareness of the sin, and the intent to commit it, just as a matter of first principals.

[@dracoargentum9783]

"SWAT before Dicks" meant that the SWAT team enters before the Detectives, they are assuming a live target.

[@scotter23]

Hehe love you guys. She definitely over analyzed the end. Doe told who everyone was :). Fun to watch you watch.

[@mamamac7069]

And as a result of this movie lots of us see someone with a box and scream, "What's in the box?!" 😁 Loving the movie reactions btw! 💞

[@alexhefnerstvmovievault]

thank you So much Mama Mac

[@jake3419]

Bro she just could not wrap her head around the ending 😂😂😂 it was pretty simple I thought.

[@charlesedward5047]

Saw this video pop up on my recommendations since I've been watching several "Seven", reactions, and the only thing I have to say is: thank you comment section for sparing me, and not making me waste more than 30 minutes of my life watching someone not understand something that is LITERALLY EXPLAINED in the movie!

[@alexhefnerstvmovievault]

lol

[@mistyxmarlboro]

It’s so sad that you missed out on a great reaction, simply because she was trying to make sense of the movie AFTER the reaction. She simply was confused about why Tracy was killed, as she wasn’t a “sinner”, & she thought for a min that he was only killing sinners.

[@Dispatchvampire]

I love watching your reaction videos. The scene in the hallway where he drops the groceries and shoots at the cops had me diving under the seat in the movie theatre. This movie was so damn intense.

[@alexhefnerstvmovievault]

Right?!

[@juliuswaxman3758]

I've been watching all these edited reactions on KZbin, so I haven't seen the full thing, but this has been my favorite one so far. "Seven" is one of those movies that's made even better when you watch it with someone who has never seen it. One of the best "reaction" movies, for sure. It's like two-plus hours of just reacting to crazy shit. It's also one of those rare films that upon a second viewing takes on a new level of enjoyment, with being able to pick up on little details you missed the first time, being able to pay attention to other things because you know what's going on, etc. Love it. My only issue with it is that it's difficult to watch movies with Kevin Spacey now, although he plays an entirely unlikable piece of shit in this one (much like he apparently is in real life), so it's not so bad.

[@shaunmarshall4504]

She’s confused because Tracy was collateral damage and expecting Tracy to be tied with a sin.

[@robertnewett5932]

Never in this story does the killer specify that exactly and only 7 people will be killed. Tracy's death was part of the game. John Doe used the theme of the seven deadly sins to construct his own work of art. His sin was envy and Mills's sin was wrath. He needed to kill Tracy for Mills to committ wrath. It was meant to be a game experiment of human nature and good vs. evil. The ending played out perfectly.

[@kristianberg4264]

Eric is correct,Tracie wasn’t a deadly sin, he killed her as you said, to make summerset wrath. The killer was Envy, so the wife isn’t getting that tracie was just a prop, to finish the deadly sins. Fun to watch you two. I do hope you react to GoodWill Hunting, such a great movie.

[@johnplaysgames3120]

The thing a lot of people miss about the ending is that John Doe never said his plan was to kill seven people. We assume that because that's how the movie starts and the pattern that seems to be forming but it's all misdirection. The only goal John Doe ever talks about in the movie is to create an event that shocks people out of their apathy. We don't see the effect his "masterpiece" has on the wider world but we see the effect it has on Somerset: At the beginning of the movie, he's planning to retire because he's given up on the world. At the end, he's been shocked out of his apathy and has reevaluated his decision to retire, stating in the final lines that "the world is worth fighting for." Also, as a bonus, by causing David to embody Wrath and murder Envy, thereby bringing David down to his level, John Doe proves his point that even the most seemingly heroic, admirable person isn't above sin.

[@nutrybe]

@@johnplaysgames3120 Perfect explanation!

[@thissailorja]

I saw this in the theater....it was terrifying. Everyone was talking while leaving saying how messed up yet good the movie was. It was really stunning.

[@alexhefnerstvmovievault]

seeing it in theaters would be sick!

[@matthew6427]

"He's a really good creeper." 😂 Guy didn't even have to act for this film 😅

[@brianmatthews1736]

OK, I agree with a LOT of these comments. Mrs. Hefner needs to work on not being quite so literal in her thinking. Plus. becoming "hung up" on ONE theory can be problematic as well. LOOK, here is the killers whole plan.....The killer murdered people who "REPRESENTED" the basic meanings of the seven deadly sins...1. the FAT guy was murdered because he represented "gluttony" which basically literally means to eat to much, and a FAT person literally represents the sin of eating too much. 2. the lawyer represents "Greed" cause he only represents his clients for money. 3. The model was killed because she represents "Pride" cause she lives for her beauty, and the pride it gives her for that beauty. 4. The whore was killed because she lived for "Lust" (which we all know lust stands for the desire for sex) for her money to live, and for her lifestyle as well. 5.The pedophile was strapped to the bed to represent someone who was too lazy to get out of bed and do anything (a "SLOTH"-ful person) when he likely actually probably wasn't really all that slothful cause he had to do something to live off of (IF not on food stamps, and some kind of government program/s) he had to do something...sell drugs, etc most likely to pay rent,and live...so the killer tied him to the bed (cause the only way to make a healthy person do NOTHING for a year would be to tie them up to a bed) so he could represent "SLOTH". 6. The killer said the he himself actually DID represent "ENVY" because he was envious of Mills whole normal life, his beautiful wife, his future kid, everything about Mills he envied. And so he murdered Mills wife who Mills obviously loved very much, and on the way to her head being delivered he berated, and aggravated Mills to get him to become angry or "WRATH"-ful...Mills seeing her head pushed him over the edge anger wise enough to murder the killer, becoming the embodiment of "WRATH" (which we all know is another word for anger). And whether or not Mills gets the death penalty for killing the killer or not his whole life is basically over..his career is finished, and everyone in the city will know what he done in killing that guy instead of taking him in cause he lost his control due to wrath. That clear it up any? LOL

[@nickthepeasant]

One of the best closing lines of any movie, imo.

[@jonchicoine]

“All those men need Botox” … that’s a peculiar thing to notice and comment on in that scene …

[@Cirillarose]

Haha I do Botox for a living! It’s hard for me to not notice

[@jonchicoine]

@@Cirillarose ahhh, well that explains it, lol. Totally understandable! Hope to see you in more videos.

[@Anon_Uh_Moose]

The amount of confusion at the end was painful. It was like watching those old videos of the British couple where the blonde girlfriend didn't understand anything.

[@kevinburton3948]

OMG sorry but the back and forth between you two over Envy and Wrath was like watching Abbott and Costello do "Who's On First?" (Showing my age here)

[@ChoppersModelworks]

Things will be great watching you two reacting to odd movies together. Would be interesting to see your reactions to the movie "Misery"-1990 especially being James Caan just passed!

[@branflakes8038]

You should definitely watch "Fight Club" or at least put it on the list and have us vote on it! Thank you for watching Se7en and you understood the ending right. I feel so good that your finally getting to see all these great movies!

[@alexhefnerstvmovievault]

definitely seen fight club numerous times! great movie!

[@KatzenbachNYC]

Watching you two both be confused about the ending was so entertaining! 😂😂😂

[@MoMoMyPup10]

Many critics (have) commented that Pitt's nip scene in this was the clear highlight of the movie, so yeah, that ought to snare a good stare from the Mrs. 🥳

[@TenTonNuke]

There are two movies where I make this face 😬 whenever I see someone about to watch it for the first time: Seven and American History X.

[@bigp3006]

Was fun watching you both reacting. The 7 deadly sins are loosely based on biblical ideas, but they were Dante's vision.

[@alexhefnerstvmovievault]

Oh shitttt! I appreciate you stopping by!

[@reckoninginc.]

Mills punishment for becoming Wrath is not death, but life in prison.

[@MUSBFRANK]

Tracy and her unborn baby were innocent victims, just because they died, doesn't mean they committed a sin, John Doe initially killed those who were already committing sins (gluttony, sloth, pride, lust, and greed) as gateway to expose what the world has become (in his mind), and by doing this crime and the way he did it, would be as much exposure to these sins as one could possibly do. John was envious of a simple man's (Det. Mills) good life, which of course caused him to become envy, and in turn, Det. Mills became wrath by killing John Doe thus completing all seven deadly sins, he (Mills) didn't have to die, he only needed to commit the sin of wrath by killing Spacey. One of the best endings of all time! 🤔

[@peterbernstrom5160]

Girl please… you cannot be that stupid…. The ending is epic. The way he adapted and changed his plan when they came close to him. And really easy to understand.

[@justwatching6186]

Nothing against her but not again please. The conversations during distracted from reaction.

[@shreyasmaskay5041]

As Morgan Freeman states in the beginning, the deaths of the victims aren't the main aim of the killer, but the act which he carries out upon them that holds more significance to him (the killer). So much so, that he would plan the act at length and with ample patience as was shown in the "Sloth" murder where the victim was tortured for a whole year. So, basically, it wasn't the victims, but instead, the act itself that represented the "7 deadly sins" for him. Hence, the act of killing Tracy represented "envy" and the act of David killing John Doe represented "wrath". (At least this is what I understood)

[@JMulvy]

JD was envy, he knew he was going to die at the end of it all, so he killed Tracy to incur David's wrath.

[@astragalusson]

Tracy wasn't representing a sin. John Doe represents envy and Mills represents wrath for the final 2 sins. Mills isn't actually dead, yet BUT his life is practically over after this, no wife, no kid, no career, in prison for a long time, if not for life.

[@timneale5657]

ROFL I already like her! "You said there was no further adieu and there was a lot of adieu" 🤣🤣🤣 Awesome!

[@JimFinley11]

About the being a cop as a lifestyle thing - I was never a cop, but I worked as a psychotherapist in the prison system for years, including some time as the clinical supervisor in the forensic psychiatric hospital serving the whole state prison system. In that job I saw some things I will just call unforgettable, as in it's been many years but I can close my eyes and still see them. One saving grace was that my wife was a clinical social worker and was doing essentially the same job at our local city/county jail - so when either or both of us had a horrific day, we could talk about it that night and know that the other person (a) could handle it, and (b) could relate to it.

[@chrisgoodness6531]

"are you attracted to Brad Pitt" "no" and then her nose grew SEVEN sizes.

[@davidquihuiz4240]

full dunce reply is perfect. just watch the movies by yourself alex.

[@Cirillarose]

[@Crazed3raser337]

I always say this is one of the best movies that I never want to see again, due to how disturbing it is. But I suppose it was alright with how edited it was and with your commentary added

[@alexhefnerstvmovievault]

that's a great way to put it!

[@frios011]

Tracy’s death was NOT one of the deadly sins!

[@breesybird9207]

The ending is the best ending ever. Originally it was supposed to be more abrupt and cut to black as soon as David shot Doe, which would’ve been even better

[@Animeabe]

Most headphones have the ability to turn off the noise canceling function if it has it. Better than doing whatever that was for the entire movie lol

[@jennhurl]

I watch all of your film reactions, but respectfully Alex, I choose not to watch another film where your lovely wife is reacting with you. I get what she was saying at the end but she failed to listen to you and understand what millions of us did. The commentary really ruined YOUR reaction for me. See you in the next Marvel & then poll. 📽🍿

[@JakkFrost1]

Tracy's death represents wrath, because her death caused Mills to be wrathful.

[@DarkKnightofThrones]

The Mrs. is right. She caught a flaw in the plan I had never noticed. When John Doe killed Tracy, he stepped outside of the formula, even if it was to induce wrath. Tracy wasn't the subject of any of the Deadly Sins, and her death was the "innocent" one; while he argued so hard against any of his victims being "innocent". The flaw of every serial killer. Nice catch!

[@parkeydavid]

I watched Se7en once..... once. I can't even watch somebody's reaction to it. Y'all are so beautiful together you need to watch something funny after this.

[@leob4403]

He should watch without her honestly

[@nicolem376]

John Doe told Mills that he (John Doe) was envy & Mills was wrath. I agree it’s a bit confusing because Mills was the only victim labeled with a sin that lived.

[@nexusjwf9859]

He wud likely go to death row

[@johnplaysgames3120]

The movie doesn't spell it out in super explicit terms but the thing many people miss is that John Doe never said his plan was to kill seven people. We assume that's it because that's how the movie starts and the pattern that seems to be forming. But, actually, the only goal John Doe ever discusses in the movie is to create an event that shocks the world out of its apathy. We see evidence of his success in two ways: (1) By causing David to embody Wrath and murder Envy, he brings David down to his level, thereby proving his point (from the conversation in the police car) that even the most seemingly heroic, admirable people are not above sin; and (2) Somerset, who was going to retire at the beginning of the movie because he'd given up on the world, is shocked out of his apathy by the event and reevaluates his decision to retire, concluding that the world is "worth fighting for." Whether John Doe's "masterpiece" has any real effect on the wider world is not mentioned (and is unlikely) but, in the local area of our story, he accomplished what he set out to do. The reason people get confused by the ending (me included, the first time I saw it back in the day) is because we assume it's going to be about seven murders based on the initial pattern and then never recalibrate our thinking when the actual end of the plan blindsides us with its real intent. John Doe says it straight up in the back of the police car but we miss it because we're still focused on the initial misdirection.

[@billymuellerTikTok]

they should make a sequel and call It 'ei8ht' where Somerset is called out of retirement and Mills is paroled to catch a copycat John Doe

[@thissailorja]

Not a jury anywhere would convict him of murder.

[@alexhefnerstvmovievault]

they would knock it down because it would be a crime of passion

[@alihandro420]

one thing is glaringly obvious when you watch this video...you talk to dam much, and your girl HATES it lol