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Offended by lyrics they deemed too sexual and violent, Tipper Gore and Susan Baker campaigned to put warning labels on albums in 1985. Years later, warning labels have ended up in unexpected places.
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[@demmer44]

"we have to do something".. obviously talking to your kids and setting boundaries was out of the question lol

[@babyvia6712]

lmao whats "talking to your kids" gonna do?

[@ziggyfrood]

Yeah, when did effective parenting ever work? Smh

[@TheJanieLee]

I've seen so much corruption you must be some part of it. What is your part?

[@maxheadrom3088]

@@babyvia6712 If you start early they might learn to really listen!

[@maxheadrom3088]

Ironically there's a very nice VH1 movie about this. Because, as far as I remember, the worst music was always on VH1! lol

[@kassi420]

The parental advisory label is now iconic and pretty badass when you have it on your record.

[@Bjorn308]

It's like a seal of quality, LOL.

[@km5405]

explicit lyrics aww yeahhh

[@makaylahill6557]

true thooo

[@thejack0fhearts43]

I’ll never respect parents who think those labels are good a good idea. They must be truly clueless about child psychology. That label just makes it more attractive. For me the self titled Rage Against The Machine album is a great example. Had the album just been the monk self immolation picture, I wouldn’t have picked that album up. But with the parental advisory label, I absolutely had to have it. To this day it’s strange for me to see that album cover on a streaming service without the label.

[@melissacooper4282]

I agree. All it really did was increase sales in records!

[@DogfoodCake]

Question: How would Baker have reacted if her daughter was asking what a virgin is because she heard of the Virgin Mary or the Virgin Queen (Elizabeth I) as opposed to a Madonna song?

[@pollysshore2539]

DogfoodCake That still cracks me up. She said virgin... gaaaaasssssspppp! That ship had sailed long ago.

[@Echnaton1954]

Wasn´t the virgin Mary callad >a Madonna< in the old Latin laungage ? What a link

[@msmarisol14]

Haha good one.

[@romanbaranovichi5375]

Or Virgin Records/Virgin EMI

[@melissacooper4282]

I remember one movie where a girl said "virginity" and her mother then made the girl wash out her mouth with soap! I'm not sure what time period the story took place but I don't understand why the word " virgin" or " virginity " would be such a bad word?

[@Gummo22]

"the kids don't get to call the shots." Only Susan Baker does. Overall I agree with Zappa. If your child asks you a question be a good parent and answer that question in a honest and educational manner. Don't let it anger you. Either educate a child or block them from culture. By blocking them leaving them to come up with uneducated opinions about said culture.

[@FukaiKokoro]

That really bothered me too! "The kids dont get to call the shots" at college age they are NOT kids anymore. What a narcissistic self absorbed christain fundamentalist she is. Like you said oy SHE gets to decide whats vulgar or not! She and people like her just need to go away. Its no ones right to censor anything becUse of their religious beliefs. This is america after all and america is a secular nation that has freedom of religion including the right to have no religion at all which would include not imposing your mority on other and letting them live their lives the ways they want and you live yours! Seperation of church and state which means people like her dont have the right to impose religious morality laws.

[@michaeledwardsson4931]

triggered?

[@annasewalson4537]

yes!!

[@fabulousporcupine3828]

the word trigger warning has been over used but the original meaning of it is good and i think it should be used. if you are going to discuss sexual abuse or suicide, witch are highly triggering for people dealing with that, you should warn the students so they are prepared and dont get a panic attack in a classroom full of people.

[@NekoMouser]

+Isaac Asjak Yep. There was absolutely nothing wrong with it as proposed. It was the dishonest spin designed to gin up a furor and misrepresent it that was the bad thing. Yet that was the part everyone was more than happy to revel and roll around in. Who needs facts or honest discussion when you have hyperbole, personal incredulity, and self-righteous fervor!

[@marymicrogram9194]

OMG this is hilarious. Those 'Parental Advisory' stickers just make albums all the more desirable to kids. Helicopter parenting in action.

[@AleTitan]

Mary Microgram backfiring

[@NekoMouser]

It wasn't helicopter parenting. It was helicopter governmenting.

[@mevirosteck]

Mary Microgram i want some micrograms but I can't find any 😢

[@gideonkloosterman]

@@mevirosteck unrelated but okay

[@arcanecitygamestudios856]

Those labels were the Streisand Effect before said effect had a name.

[@Kitties_are_pretty]

I can't believe Susan Baker could do this interview and express anything other than shame and regret about her past behaviour. But she maintains her previous insane position. As if your personal shock lets you muzzle other people. Jesus what a person she is.

[@Kitties_are_pretty]

What a harridan.

[@AleisterCrowleyMagus]

Mommy? What's a virgin? I just learned the word "virgin" in my Sunday school class!!! The pastor told me that god's mommy was a virgin!!!

[@sourgreendolly7685]

That’s when I asked about it. My grandmother told me too. The horror of teaching children!

[@sethk5396]

The last comment really contrasts the two uses of warnings. When you want to control what others are exposed to, it's acceptable. When you want something labeled in a way useful to you, so that you can choose what to engage with based on your knowledge of your own mental health, naw that's just absurd and you shouldn't get to "call the shots."

[@mariagmartinho]

Emma Kuhn Exactly! Thanks for pointing it out.

[@TheKtwStudios]

Life doesn't come with Trigger Warnings though. Everybody has encountered a traumatic event. Not that I don't sympathize, but you're in college to learn about tough subjects, and sometimes what you learn *will* enrage you, or make you feel things that you might not like. That's a part of life, and just because *you* can't handle the real world just yet doesn't mean that 800 of your classmates should have their education altered. And you're really not doing yourself any favors by sheltering yourself from everything. If you're doing that, you need to go see a therapist or take a medical leave, which universities (like mine) will let you do, but to try and alter the entire educational system of your school just because you're "triggered" is the epitome of being coddled. The real world *will not* coddle you.

[@morganfaye3479]

TheKtwStudios what if the warning doesn’t alter the educational experience at all? What if it’s literally just a few lines of text on a syllabus, or beside the topic posted on the class schedule?

[@ShaunDreclin]

TheKtwStudios Content warnings aren't about changing the content, they're about making sure you're prepared for the content you're about to talk about. People on both sides of the issue blow it way out of proportion (and I got caught up in thinking it's ridiculous too because my first experience with the topic was somebody screeching about being triggered), it's really just about being courteous to your viewers/listeners/readers/students. Sure, we don't _need_ content warnings, but we also don't need to say please and thank you. I also think "Trigger warning" is a bad term for it. 99% of people asking for warnings do not have ptsd and have no right to act like they do, it really makes a mockery of people who actually suffer from it. There's a pretty big difference between "Hearing about sexual assault is pretty disturbing" and "I'm having a flashback and think I'm about to die".

[@stephaniesummer2663]

TheKtwStudios Trigger warnings are meant for people that have PTSD or othe mental illness and could be set off or triggered by the content. They aren’t really meant for people that don’t want to read about violence and sexual abuse.

[@ShaunDreclin]

"Bondage" oh no, the horror! Consenting adults exploring sexual fantasy!

[@taotaostrong]

Shaun Dreclin Ms. Gore has been in bondage for her entire life. Poor thing. 😉

[@thepriceofsalt9003]

i mean, yeah, the others... reasonable concerns. but bondage? seriously?

[@fornax4676]

lol she made it sound the last one is the worst

[@dianasilver3832]

So long as it consented upon their is no problem with bondage. So deal with it lady

[@AleTitan]

These are the type of people that expect the media to raise their kids for them rather than talking to them and explaining.

[@Ms.GreenJeans]

Amen! Exactly!!!!!

[@nothingemo]

apparently susan bakers daughter never attended church when they speak of the Virgin Mary.

[@TheSunderingSea]

To be fair, they were probably Protestants, and those types aren't big on the Theotokos.

[@Ryuko-T72]

The Original ‘Karen’ and ‘Susan’ standing up to free speech, 1980

[@facetiousbadger]

It's the parent's job to determine what's appropriate for kids, and involving government groups to determine things for everyone ultimately satisfies noone.

[@EternalxAutumn]

A million times yes 👍

[@Loomismusic]

"It's ok when I got to decide what was inappropriate in the 80's but it might not be ok now for someone else to decide whats not ok" - Tipper Gore

[@sabrinam4021]

Those parents should educate their children and tell them why they don't agree with, don't take it away! Musicians are artists, comic book writers are artists! Don't take away their freedom of expression

[@edinchvek2784]

You should really check "the freedom of expression" of this dude kzbin.info/www/bejne/mquYgaGZeJ2Nnrc , enjoy some freedoms :D :D :D

[@cftvdata]

That's what my mom did when I brought home a Dead Kennedys record at age 11. She read the lyrics with me and explained the messages behind the songs, then made me a cassette of the album with a few of the more lyrically explicit songs left out. Then when I was 14, she gave me the album back.

[@SanDeep-lq4vs]

​@@cftvdata W mom

[@bobtinklesnews]

Says that they want to protect kids: labels on everything Kids want protection themselves: kids can’t call the shots

[@TheaterRaven]

1:33--"Our daughter was only seven and she came to me and said, 'Mom, what's a virgin? What does that mean?' and I went, 'Oh, my gosh!'" Right? Gotta stop those kinds of questions right there! Your daughter must be taught to view sexuality and her own body as unspeakable sinful, like all good Christian women.

[@melissacooper4282]

Why didn't Mrs. Baker sit her daughter down and explain the meaning of the term "virgin " ? I'm sure there was a way to explain it to a young child in a way she'll understand.

[@Withbackpack]

If it weren't for these ladies, as a kid, I would have never heard of 2 Live Crew and other musicians. Good going ladies.

[@tomservo5007]

same here

[@2126Eliza]

Adults shouldn't have to explain their likes and dislikes to the government. If a parent is offended, that's their problem. The world doesn't have to coddle their children in any way.

[@AleisterCrowleyMagus]

Glorying bondage! Oh my fur and whiskers! What would these ladies have done about the Fifty Shades phenomenon? Lmfao. Now Tipper and Al are divorced. Yeah, family values.

[@christiangasior4244]

Still a better love story than Twilight.

[@patrickkelly5009]

"Glorying" I think you mean Glorifying

[@thepriceofsalt9003]

though i do notice that this comment was posted two years ago and that the fifty shades comment was made to reference the boom of people talking about bondage etc in media, i would like to point out that bondage is not just fifty shades. in fact people i know who are in the bdsm community or have dabbled in it even a little, would say that some things that happen in fifty shades isn't what the bdsm community stands for. and i'm not even gonna go into the writing. to each their own, i guess, but i'm tired of any mention of bdsm or bondage always being tied to fifty shades.

[@3letterox]

"When performers outrage the members of a community...." Oh but Susan dear your type of people arent the only members that matter in a community

[@erikmuniz7832]

this country always had the tendency of ruining the little bit of fun that kids had back then and today.

[@NekoMouser]

I absolutely LOVE the hypocrisy with which this piece ends. Well done.

[@dogscott7881]

Parents will do literally anything to not have to communicate with their children

[@Loveroffood41]

I know right?

[@AtOutoftheBlue]

So if a parent wants to coddle their child from the dangers of the world, it’s perfectly reasonable, but if people who know they would _actually_ be harmed by these things want to have a warning beforehand, it’s “going too far.” Why don’t we just put away all pretenses and recognize that you think anyone younger than you is a mindless baby who cannot, nor should be able to, make decisions for themselves? Good lord, these are college students we’re talking about, not six year olds.

[@2L82Pray1]

The prefrontal cortex, which is responsible for logic, responds to situations with good judgment and an awareness of long-term consequence is not fully developed until the age of 25. So yes, you do need someone older than you to make Rational, logical decisions based on good judgment with a full awareness of consequences until you are old enough to understand them. Biology....it sucks, but it's Science.

[@magnigames1256]

Republicans want nothing more than to control you, keep you ignorant, and shove their religion down your throat.. All of those were displayed here pretty clearly by Ms. Baker.. There is literally no explanation for social conservatism, apart from "I want to tell people what they can and can not do"...

[@sourgreendolly7685]

Saw It Good luck getting the legal age of majority changed to 25 but until you do, that’s not how it works here. 18 year olds are legally allowed to make adult choices so that biology is clearly irrelevant to how we treat them. Something being science doesn’t make it relevant.

[@Jess12786]

The amount of hypocrisy the explict warning advocates have when saying students shouldn't call the shots about trigger warnings on curriculum is crazy. Both the moms and the students are consumers they're paying for something and they want that warning so there is no damage. Their arguments are almost identical, yet the older generation still looks down on the students. Why?

[@SilverWalker84]

thank you so much ladies for getting that legislation passed. you two made the sales of explicit lyrics increase overnight. when I was young I looked only for music with the black and white label👏👏👏👏

[@kathys1285]

Seriously if was a badge of honor on the music 🎶 you listening to what they should of done what they do now with cigarette and alcohol is if you were a minor you wouldn’t be able to buy that album so simple but no they wanted a label which did nothing to solve the problem 🙄

[@SilverWalker84]

@@kathys1285 counterproductive comes to mind😂

[@l.tc.5032]

Oversensitive prudes. I'm not going to censor in front of my kids there is no point they are going to find out one day and I'd rather they found out from me than other places.

[@colincurrie2431]

I think Frank Zappa said it best "the PMRC's demands are the equivalent of treating dandruff with decapitation"

[@shinybeast8946]

Zappa for the win, man we could use him now.

[@Lynn-rv4ty]

Lmao I spent this entire video (well the majority of it) coming up with new and creative ways to say "fcuk you"

[@mariagmartinho]

Lynn Grimm 😂😂😂😂😂

[@melissacooper4282]

That would be like a parent gives the kid a thesaurus to detour him from using four letter words and he ends up using it as new ways to insult his peers.

[@Joshverd]

They did it with comics, they did it with music, they did it with video games. What's next?

[@jonasdahm190]

Virtual Reality

[@melissacooper4282]

KZbin.

[@saltysoysauce954]

next is the newspaper. "WARNING! It's not all lottery winners in here! Avert your children's eyes!"

[@noeller6217]

Melissa Cooper Holy cow, you called the whole COPPA mess

[@shadowcrazy911]

Baker's final comment is very hypocritical, in my opinion. The thing about proposed trigger warnings is that it is meant as a WARNING, not a restriction. The advocate in the video even said that they can help prepare students who have experienced traumatic events for the sensitive material they will cover. Trigger warnings aren't made to restrict a certain demographic from speaking or learning about a touchy subject, but rather allow them to emotionally prepare themselves so they aren't abruptly shocked or triggered when they are brought up. Baker's actions towards the music industry was censorship, yet she complains students who are subjected DIRECTLY to potential disturbing content shouldn't "call the shots"? Her issues seem to be more about her own discomfort in educating her children honestly about difficult subjects than the difficult subjects themselves.

[@damoos3.]

Shirley ur hawt

[@dogguy8603]

Guess what, life doesn't come with trigger warnings, nor should it, I am against all censorship and adults shouldn't be coddled

[@williamgregory1848]

Susan Baker: “We need to protect the kids from any shocking and dangerous material! This could make them uncomfortable and destroy their innocence.” Also Susan Baker: “Kids shouldn’t try to protect themselves. They need to confront uncomfortable subjects to grow.”

[@rotoscopic8757]

Thanks Tipper. Nothing creates publicity quite the way an EXPLICIT LYRICS warning can.

[@janedoh2625]

Haha! Starting around age 5, I used to pick dirty words out of magazines and songs and ask my mom what they meant! If she wouldn't tell me, I'd give her the silent treatment until she did :D Kids are curious about the world around them, and that world includes sex/drugs/violence. If you're not okay with that, don't reproduce. Problem solved.

[@CanadianRoadRunner3]

+Jane Doh Your mom probably enjoyed the silence.

[@TakumiJoyconBoyz]

My mom always said "If you are smart enough to ask the question, you are smart enough to hear the answer."

[@marymicrogram9194]

Mad because you weren't a very bright kid, @Vincent Cuttolo? Waaah.

[@mychaelabeauregard8389]

Vincent Cuttolo and you are faceless BWAHAHA

[@mrchoochoohead9033]

frank zappa we love you so much

[@diamondsngunns88]

+mrchoochoohead He was a champion for the First Amendment and a bright, creative spirit. We miss you and love you Frank!!!

[@melissacooper4282]

You go Frank Zappa!

[@RobertBrown-nk7wj]

Made it weird for me to have the name Bobby Brown though... hahah

[@ikimawsome]

Why are trigger warnings bad? It's not the restriction of content its literally just a heads up......

[@Mimi-cq4bg]

It wasn't a label they wanted. They wanted these artists to not sell or perform these songs and that is censorship and a restriction of free speech. A label was the compromise.

[@FlyingGrunt28]

The babying of a nation...

[@TheHoodedMenace]

I see nothing wrong with having warning labels or trigger warnings. You can easily ignore them if you don't like them, and if you do like them, you can use them.

[@TakumiJoyconBoyz]

I disagree with trigger warnings because I think that if you have the option to skip out on part of a curriculum, you should not be allowed to pass the class. Like if you take Criminology, you are going to have to deal with some rape and murder cases. If you aren't prepped on that beforehand, you aren't fit for the job. At minimum, it needs to be something companies can look up before deciding to hire you.

[@johnmac4020]

This turned out good for the artists, with that sticker it would guarantee more sales, sum estimated up to a half million just because kids wanted to hear what there weren't suppose to.

[@pollysshore2539]

Come Inside Exactly how many actual PTSD suffers do you think are running around on college campuses? Please explain why feminist law students have asked that rape not be discussed in their classes, when they are supposedly concerned about victims, and have asked that their professors not use the word "violate". Because they are hysterically ignorant authoritarians that's why. Trigger Warning should not be allowed at all. Any good psychologist or therapist (the word good automatically excludes feminist Psychologists who have a horrific and dangerous track record in the U.S) will tell you avoiding sensitive topics is the worst thing someone suffering from PTSD can do. It is detrimental. However, in the case of colleges, most asking for this are not suffering from PTSD or speaking on behalf of anyone who does have it. TW's have been used to censor, control and stifle conversation/debate. They allow a people/authoritarian trash to place their subjective opinions on content as if it's fact and often prohibit adults from making their own judgments about the content.

[@mksabourinable]

It's not a free pass to skip out on assignments, it's just a heads up so people can do whatever they need to so that they CAN do the assignment ffs. Like you are still allowed to talk about it. It's just that you give a heads up. Also I have both PTSD and several allergies. To avoid negative reactions from EITHER I always check labels when they are available! Like content warnings and trigger warnings really are just like allergen warnings. If you don't have any allergies, you can ignore them. But if you do? They can help prevent a health issue. Also people get triggered in different ways. Like some are ok with descriptions but SEEING the thing can send them over the edge. Or even if say the triggering content is necessary for an assignment or something, the person can make preparations for it. Take a friend to the lecture. Schedule a counselling appointment right afterwards. Bring a comfort item. Etc, etc. Not to mention they can brace themselves for it. But if it comes out of nowhere it has the potential to do a lot of harm to their mental wellbeing. Also one of the core symptoms of PTSD is dissociation. Hard to pay attention to or remember a lecture or whatever when you're dissociating. So they end up missing out on the important info ANYWAY because of their own brain trying to protect itself the only way it can at that point.

[@myme8208]

yes at least parents would know the content of what the child bought.

[@missnperfection9830]

Only rich old ladies with political power get to call the shots ..uhhhh uhhhh huhhh huhhh ha (in my best squidward voice & laugh)

[@polyamorousatheist2557]

Because of Tipper Gore and PMRC, When I was 13 I knew which albums/songs to listen to. Last time I checked, I turned out just fine and I still listen to all the music the PMRC was bad for me. Thanks for the recommendations Tipper

[@joshuahardin2436]

Wow I didn’t think I would hate someone from an interview as much as I hate Susan baker

[@bongos528]

Trigger Warning/Content Warnings are used so people can get a heads up on what they're about to hear its not a free pass for someone to skip an assignment, it helps someone who is affected by something be able to work normally. Triggers are really and trigger warnings arent so ppl can skip things but just prepare for them. Lots of college students have PTSD bc lots of ppl go to college. People are just asking for a heads up so they know what to prepare for, not skip out on. If someone in ur class starts crying or hyperventilating bc they literally can't control their emotions bc of their trauma then its way more distracting and causes a bigger disruption than a quick tw at the beginning

[@2L82Pray1]

Being unable to control your emotions is a psychiatric disorder called Emotional Dysregulation which can have a variety of causes based in psychiatric conditions. If you "literally can't control" your emotions, you should be checked for one of these psychiatric disorders and create a treatment plan for your mental illness--not ask others to change the entire basis of society to accomodate your disease.

[@halifaxverbeck7098]

it's idiotic that censoring artists was deemed fine by them, but using warnings so people who have suffered trauma don't have a breakdown because they were unprepared to witness involving similar themes as their trauma are out of the question for them. there's a massive difference between "blocking ideas" and simply warning someone about what's going to happen to avoid them reliving trauma. disgusting how the same adults that were advocating for parental advisories are the same people disagreeing with trigger warnings; something that will actually benefit a decently large chunk of society.

[@robbygottesman4449]

"Some say there's no harm in these lyrics..... we think otherwise." *Slow Clap* What a retort

[@joeybaloney1986]

The Karen’s of the 80’s

[@dr.spectre9697]

As an Orthodox Christian I wholeheartedly agree with Frank Zappa. If you are a good parent you should answer your children’s questions completely, honestly, properly. It is your responsibility to either force them to adjust to the culture of the day or insulate them from it not to blame the culture of the day solely

[@chr1so]

Imagine these ladies finding the internet, they would go nuts.

[@Maximillion666]

That makes me laugh when i look back at that time. They oddly got me into The Dead Kennedy's and other groups like NWA or even 2 Live Crew since they were at the front till. The staff would suggest albums i might like and sell them to me when no one was around lol. Thank you 1980-90's record store staff :-)

[@sb06phl59]

“Some of it is encouraging unlawful behavior” Cuts to shot of the only record they could find with the words “breaking the law” slapped on the cover.

[@mychaelabeauregard8389]

Music will always be controversial no matter what. It's time to accept it, and for also parents to realize that censoring this to your kids won't do any good in the long haul, they'll listen to this stuff when you're not around, or they'll throw it all out the rules of listening to "forbidden" music out the window when they're older

[@mochica96]

"I don't think kids get to call the shots" IM TRIGGERED 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@TheUnplugged1]

Its always middle class WHITE housewifes...mind your business and keep it truckin

[@randomabuserofsanityxo]

Her final statement of "I don't think the kids get to call the shots" is insensitive to the students of today. I believe that children should have a voice in how material is presented to them. Just because a student is under the age of 18 does not mean their opinions or feelings should be considered invalid to the discussion of curriculum. Another concern that was presented was that attaching a trigger warning in syllabi may deter students from exploring that subject, I do not agree with this concern and would argue to say that with a warning in place it would better prepare a student mentally and emotionally to face and learn from the subject matter without having to relive potentially traumatic experiences.

[@dogguy8603]

Their shouldn't be any trigger warnings, life dosen't have trigger warnings and nor should college

[@amefuraggamuffin]

I would really like to be able to share these videos on social media. Thank you for making the available for free, in the first place. I feel like restricting the videos to youtube is hurting awareness for this branch of NYT content.

[@plasterdbastard]

Yay! Welcome back, Retro Report!

[@rogerszmodis6913]

How is that clip of Susan Baker saying “I’m going to force you at gunpoint to eat me alive” clear and unbroken not the most popular sample in music?

[@sdsuman1]

They did something alright they actually helped give rock & metal an upsurge in popularity thanks to all the free pr. Nobody ever accused Tipper Gore or Susan Baker of being smart lol .

[@Tyler380]

KATY PERRY "TEENAGE DREAM" LYRICS Let's go all the way tonight No regrets, just love We can dance until we die You and I We'll be young forever We drove to Cali And got drunk on the beach Got a motel and Built a fort out of sheets I finally found you My missing puzzle piece I'm completeLet's go all the way tonight No regrets, just love We can dance until we die You and I We'll be young forever

[@Domisgreater]

Yes we know it's a bop.

[@Ryan_Alwi]

1980s parents: "oh noo the lyrics are too violent!" 2022: *laughs in trap*

[@Super165i]

I wish parents would monitor what their kids rather than banning things

[@StuckInProgrammers]

Ha! When I was a child in the 1980s, I ALSO remember asking my mom, "What's a virgin?'" after hearing Madonna. My mother told me, "A virgin is a woman who has never had a baby." I was confused there for a few years after! 😂

[@lilyzuber7334]

So you want us to be sheltered from certain things, but when we then ask to be sheltered from others we can’t? Hypocrisy.

[@laurennicole9667]

This was awesome! Make more :)

[@suggondeez2949]

If you have medically supported ptsd then you have an obligation to go and talk to the professor

[@superduper-dee9134]

To be honest, it's all about how to present it to your child. Having those awkward conversations and telling your child why what is being presented is not okay, it's a better way of approaching it. And if you don't know how to approach, that where you as a parent figure it out...Stand by your convictions and know why you stand by them. It's silly that we rely on the government to explain these things to our children.

[@alexanderkha27]

From when I was 7 to when I was 13 I thought the explicit warning label was the record company logo

[@kathys1285]

🤣🤣🤣

[@faithestherr]

I’ve been binge watching too much retro reports.

[@meme7986]

This is just like the internet and the “role models” we have today. All you have to do is pay attention to your kid and make sure you know what your kids looking at. It’s possible to be an attentive parent. People who make music or model aren’t there to raise your kids.

[@dsofe4879]

Old woman yells at cloud

[@bkppppppp]

That's so crazy that she (and others) are so about protecting the children and young people from the bad words but when young people come forward wanting to protect them selves from much worse they are denied.

[@MintyRainbow]

now people love the parental advisory logo lmfao

[@sonarbison]

Millennials are watching this thinking "what's the big deal?"

[@TheKtwStudios]

....I mean, I don't remember a time when PA Stickers didn't exist, and PA stickers didn't prevent me from listening to all the music I wanted (because...the internet), so....yeah 30 years ago this was a problem, but now it's not. Anybody can listen to whatever they like now.

[@cidila]

I'm post millennial. PA has existed before I was even born. Never stop me to listen the music I wanted to hear, see the things I wanted to see. Didn't ruin my life so

[@Kitsune1414]

Millennial here: What is the big deal? I'm of the opinion people should know what they're buying or consuming before they do it. Warning people is fine, keeping people from consuming a product they want is not.

[@peelslowly28]

Every person who has had a childhood knows that telling kids to not look at or listen to certain things will only make them more attractive to them. People don't grow up and talk about how they obediently obeyed everything they were told they talk about the the stuff they were told not to do secretly.

[@rheymarvinsalestre4075]

Imagine censoring an entire generation of music just because you don't have time to talk to your kids.

[@chelseamartin6004]

It’s interesting how a proponent of censorship (supposedly to “protect” young people) is not in favor of college students requesting trigger warnings on course materials so as to prepare against reminders of past trauma. “I don’t think labeling is a bad thing, but for curriculum and things, I don’t know that the kids get to call the shots.” College students are not “kids,” but apparently anyone young enough to be Baker’s child or grandchild should not be allowed to determine what’s appropriate for them and advocate for themselves? At least in this case, censorship is about power and control, not trying to safeguard anyone as it comes down to who’s “calling the shots,” not the possible affect of media/materials.

[@dogguy8603]

Trigger warnings are just not needed, life dosen't come with trigger warnings and nor should any aspect of adult life, including college

[@fergalfarrelly8545]

Being triggered into emotions is something you must work out as a cognitive behavior. If you cannot overcome these things they consume you. Meditation actually helps.

[@timwhite794]

These parents are blaming the artists for their own lack of parental responsibility and boundary setting. Educate your kids stop blaming artists

[@john6291]

@10:10 Baker saying kids shouldn't be calling the shots on trigger warnings is just classic... she helped create this warning culture...

[@crissd8283]

8:00 What? What the government tries to do to control behavior tends to backfire/do the opposite??? Who would have thought!

[@dropical9497]

The last two minutes were the most important part of the outcome of such panics.

[@1andonlyzara]

7-year-old girl: “Mommy, what’s a virgin?” Normal moms: “I’ll tell you when you’re older.” Susan Baker: “THIS EVIL MUSIC MUST BE DESTROYED!!!!!!!!!!!!”

[@JakobMusick]

So, let me get this straight-- Ms., the 'kids' don't get to 'call the shots' on courses they are paying for and taking, and you *do* for records you don't even listen to...........um

[@JohnSmith-zh7cj]

I remember when most of this was happening (who remembers 2 Live Crew?) and I said then that the parents should be responsible for their children and what they hear/see. I still say that now, however, it has gotten increasingly hard to keep children from information that is simply too mature (to me) for their age. For example, if you drive through Florida on I-75 you will see large billboards for strip joints that read "ALL NUDE ALL THE TIME". Should you have to explain to your child what that means? Also, children where I live must use the internet to do their homework, even submit it online, a simple typo into a search engine can lead to inappropriate information being displayed.

[@joshcohen2313]

masterclass title

[@MRPERFECT_79]

I LOVE HER DESCRIPTION OF THE CODPIECE. SHE JUST DOESNT WANT TO CUT HER FACE WHEN SHES DOWN THERE

[@pinaopina]

If you have doubts that your kids are going to be heavily influenced by artists... that means you are not setting strong foundations on your kids.

[@jaimemolerojaen294]

That last sentence... What a superiority complex, ugh.

[@reythejediladyviajakku6078]

As someone who works with children, I can understand the preemptive strike but unless a crime is committed and it was a song that gave the idea, I don’t think too many other people would give it much thought. Like with anything in pop culture.

[@livebreezybreatheasy]

Artists are not responsible for your children's education.

[@manwithamoustache4803]

Bruh she literally tried to stop music because she didn’t want to parent her kid probably and then does a 180 and says that it is wrong to sensor when someone else does it with a better excuse

[@user-yr8mu1ce1m]

When I was a kid, I decided to buy my first “Parental advisory” album, with the help of my older brother. Turned out to be The Mollusk by Ween. Best decision I ever made.

[@carolaika]

boomers: censor music because they don’t want to talk about it also boomers: reject trigger warnings because they don’t want to talk about a different *it*.

[@hephaestus6365]

A lot of the lyrics are absolutely offensive and labels make sense. However, censorship is never good. It also took the responsibility off of the parents where it belongs.

[@Chloe-sg5lo]

I was raised on those songs and im so grateful i was

[@arturoperez352]

I was not a Ms Baker fan until that last sentence. 🤣

[@erickpaolod.santos3719]

ABC (Australian Broadcasting corporation) In Australia have used the Viewer advice disclamers before starting the program

[@alexi8987]

So how did your ten year old buy purple rain? Where were you? Everybody else don’t have to raise your kids.

[@victoriajenkins1424]

Every generation looks at younger generations with some amount of disdain, from their art to not succeeding quickly enough. It’s just one of those things you have to ignore and vow not to do yourself, however aggravating it is.

[@patflynn2379]

I'm reminded of the end of the movie PCU: "It used to be us against them. Now, it's us against us."