Sexuality, Autism and Gender Identity: What’s the link? (Autisic and LGBTQ Panel Discussion)

[@carolinejames7257]

Yes: autistic and asexual. And utterly fed up with people who jump into a discussion that isn't about them or for them, which has nothing whatsoever to do with them, which does them no harm, but where they feel compelled to be hateful, derogatory, infantilising, obnoxious, and/or just plain rude. To those in the video who shared their thoughts and experiences, thank you. To Paul, well done.

[@initiatorhater0688]

are you saying you never desired sex?

[@mjangelvortex]

@@initiatorhater0688 Not all asexuals don't desire sex. It just means they have little to no sexual attraction. To use another feeling as a metaphor, people can still eat despite not feeling hungry. Similar thing.

[@theslitherbee]

​@@initiatorhater0688That is absolutely not what they said. You jumped on a random assumption out of nowhere, I hope you realise this makes you seem aggressive and speculating

[@linden5165]

I love our double rainbow community. There are so many of us, the overlap is significant 💛🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️

[@Leena79]

I'm kinda shocked by how negative the comments are under this video. I'm queer and autistic. I live in a rural area, so I don't really have a community on either, especially because I was in my 20s when I figured out I'm demi-bisexual, in my 30s when I accepted I'm somewhere on the nonbinary spectrum, and in my early 40s, I was diagnosed with autism spectrum disorder. It has been great to find a community online to talk about these things, and it's great to see how we all, allover the world, struggle and find joy in getting to terms with our true selves. Thank you for making this video.

[@mjangelvortex]

I have sadly. Before the videos were made public and were just waiting rooms there was a lot more on both this one and the sexuality one. That and this is just usual repeated behavior I've seen on any LGBT positive video. It hurts to see.

[@mjangelvortex]

​@@wormwoodcocktail No. I won't stop. A lot of gay, lesbians, and bi people wouldn't have the rights we have now if it wasn't also for trans activists. Trans people have existed for a long time (they were just called transsexuals and genderqueer back in the day instead of transgender and non-binary). Their roles have been important and pivotal to LGBT rights. And even disregarding that, they have the right to live their lives like anyone else.

[@sandwichqueen]

​@@wormwoodcocktailRemember when biphobes thought being seen with bi people will make people think they're less real? Wait, you mean it still happens today as well? Well golly gee, maybe we shouldn't try to put people who are fighting for the same exact thing against each other. Trans people share a history with gay, bi, and lesbian people. Trans people were just written of as gay all the time. But you seem to forget history to push hate. Also, some trans people are gay. Some are bi. Are they somehow not part of the community now? You wanna know who is the next target if transphobes force trans people to hide or be killed? Gay people. How do I know this? Because that's exactly what happened in history. If you stand for gay rights, you can't get mad when people want rights. Or are you one of those people who think gay people should just blend in. It's delusional to think that trans, queer, ace, 2-spirited people, and intersex people aren't fighting on the same side as gay, bi, and lesbian.

[@stefansauvageonwhat-a-twis1369]

@@wormwoodcocktail Nah you gotta look at the information, at history, at other cultures, and realize, it aint a simple cut-off the hate, the hate for all of them come from similar places, the label was made to create a larger stronger group without which any individual group could not really rise, shared history in pain, but switching to the hateful can be easier, tho I never recommend easy over good

[@SarahG-vz3ki]

I’m bi and I’m on the spectrum. I don’t look down on gay people at all!! I just think that a lot of autistic people obsess over gender identity so they make it their entire being when it shouldn’t be like that. I just happen to be a girl who likes girls.. it doesn’t define who I am and there’s way more about me that’s important then who I decide to sleep with!

[@_Oh-deer_]

I’ve never heard the term double rainbow before, but I love it! Proud double rainbow here! Happy pride month everyone 🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️

[@Miss_Lexisaurus]

Some of this was super relatable for me. Really appreciate you having this discussion.

[@rekall76]

asd/audhd & ace/demi... i suppose it can be said that my questioning & inspection of my mental process vs. what is deemed 'normal' (to me, a one-word fallacy) also led to doubts/questions as to the role of my chosen gender in that same unfair/dismissive world-at-large... but, i know what and who i am, wish to be, and have embraced being unapologetically me... and, this has led to fostering richer friendships in my late 40's than in my early 20's when i was masking and attempting to be someone i'm just not.

[@anteshell]

Every time when neuro-divergence and sexuality is combined in one talk, each and every time it leaves one point absent from it; increased need or want for sex, The talking points always revolves around different sexualities and the closest to the 'amount of sex' ever mentioned is always strictly limited to asexuality. I don't know if this reflects the statistical reality, but I really feel to be the odd-one out even among other spectrals in that my sexual need are higher than your average non-asexual/allosexual and certainly much higher than among my spectral peers. Why nobody talks about it? Is it still a strict taboo to talk about it or what is the matter? I am 100% certain I'm not the only one with this variety of sexuality as it is statistically near impossible for me to be a one-of-a-kind, but I still haven't seen a single person talking about it. Couldn't even find a term to describe this. And no, it's not sex addiction either. And to attempt to make things more clear, here's some need to know context for my comment: I'm not talking just physical needs. I'm talking about the sex and sexuality in their broadest definition. For me, I'm somewhere between fluid and demi. This lack of information really frustrates me

[@doublejointed4964]

Good point, its not talked about a lot. Dr Kojo Sarfo talks about it in some of his content, if that helps.

[@anteshell]

@@doublejointed4964 Will definitely check that out. Thank you for the suggestion.

[@danishbutter1847]

Is it the Hypersexuality/Repulsive spectrum?

[@elvwood]

Thank you all for sharing your thoughts and feelings, much appreciated! A year ago I would have called myself NT cishet, just a bit weird. I have since figured out I'm autistic (lots of people had already spotted that). Then I wondered why I used the same phrase, "just a bit weird", for both my thinking and my sexuality. My queer daughter came to my rescue and suggested I look into demisexuality, which does actually fit me better. So I'm double rainbow, but barely; I still feel more comfortable thinking of myself as a heterosexual-ish ally. That may change, though.

[@_Oh-deer_]

Love Jethro’s comments at 8:29. What a lovely sentiment

[@theslitherbee]

They're right, life is a journey and so is queerness

[@someonesomeone25]

Neuroqueer ftw. As a ND genderqueer bisexual objectum, I just consider it a great way of life. To quote John Waters, 'the world of heterosexuals is a sick and boring life'. Same with NTs, lol.

[@peterwynn2169]

I love being part of the Double Rainbow Community. I am a trans femme, and I can relate well to autistic women.

[@theslitherbee]

Proud of you for coming forward to say this

[@mama_o4]

I like what Sita shared on safety. Very true, for me. It gave me insight into the social circle I have.

[@KaalAmba]

Would love to know the IG / social media info on the guests in order to follow them!

[@georgebmac8140]

The correlation between autism & gender dysphoria is well established in medical research. But, to portray it as a matter of social convenience does a disservice to BOTH communities. Just as nobody chooses to be autistic, nobody chooses to be gender dysphoric. And, BOTH conditions make surviving and flourishing in this world more difficult and less likely to happen.

[@YesBruv105]

I think a lot of people are indoctrinated in gender dysphoria to be honest. Unless one is sexist or homophobic why would one care what sex their body is when they have been gifted a life. How can people know what it is like to be a woman, for eexample... I am a woman and I only know what it is like to be me. Trans ideology has targeted gay and Autistic people resulting in them being sterilised and castrated, then soon regretting it. It is horrific. See Cass report and Wpath files. I think genuine gender dysphoria belongs to intersex / people with DSDs. Trans ideology has fantasised this condition as their own, like some kind of Munchausen syndrome..

[@redfishswimming]

Aspergers, no gender, no sexuality, no need to dress up like a unicorn or color my neck with crayons. No extra labels. The American or Australian is strong in some of these people. Interesting how nationality influences identity, thought, perception etc even in autistics.

[@theslitherbee]

First off, no one is FORCING you into ANYTHING. You do you man, NO ONE cares. Secondly, you appear very confused over LGBT identities so I take it you're not very educated on the topic and are running on Twitter stereotypes of what a queer person is. And lastly, I don't get the nationalism bit. Why specifically usa and Australia?? And it seems so random??

[@YesBruv105]

Check out Richie Herron interviewed by Andrew Gold on the Heretics podcast. Amazing interview everyone should see and hear.

[@conscienceaginBlackadder]

Why is there still no intersectional talk of SENSORY ISSUE IDENTITIES WITH CLOTHES, with gender ? Like for wearing shorts, sensitive to heat. I have got strong deep identity feelings for it. Sensory issue identities are logical to be the next wave of identity politics. All year round has increased in popularity with it being known from the web's existence that it is safe, does not have bad health effects, above c -10. For folks who keep active even lower, online sharing says more doable than you would think. I have a terrible robbed childhood tragedy about it, from growing up before the web in a region with a nasally irritating catarrhal climate that causes symptoms like a persistent cold, South Wales, site "generation missed knowing year round shorts".

[@stefansauvageonwhat-a-twis1369]

The very epic video

[@perceptionplace.]

I have issue with this because i dont want to be lumped into "gender identity". Its a neurological thing, not a gender thing. If it overlaps yeah i get it , theres overlap with many things. But these should be seperate. There is probably an overlap because we generally feel alien, just accept yourself, get therapy if you need too and move along with your life. Gender should not be someones whole personality! (Im currently in therapy to accept myself better, and not give a damn so much about what others think and these social issues)

[@mjangelvortex]

You don't want discussions about neurology things on a channel dedicated to autism (a thing associated with neurology)?

[@perceptionplace.]

@@mjangelvortex I didn't say no discussion, I'm just expressing an opinion on it

[@georgebmac8140]

Both conditions are “neurologic” - although the cause likely differs. I think many autistics find their bodies uncomfortable and escape into gender dysphoria. And: I am not sure it is possible for an autistic, gender dysphoric person to “accept themselves” (meaning approving of their conditions). I think it is more productive to find ways to exist comfortably in society. But the neurodivergent community derides that as “masking”.

[@perceptionplace.]

@@georgebmac8140 yeah, to fully accept I'm not sure. I'm just learning to unmask myself. But I feel we shouldnt push people into discomfort, we should try to lean towards feeling comfort in our bodies. Maybe I'm just projecting, I have issues I've been working on myself. It's hard to change, when your whole life you've felt you need to be different to fit in. But now being 31, I'm so sick of it and I just want inner peace

[@Miss_Lexisaurus]

Just to point out that plenty of cis people make gender their whole personality entirely because of their transphobia. And the LGBTQIA+ community is more than gender. I'm Autistic and my sexuality is Queer but I'm cisgender.

[@livenotbylies]

I hope you are going to be brave enough to address the previous prevalence of body dysmorphia and dysphoria (eating disorders) that is now somewhat replaced with gender dysphoria. We need to talk about that honestly

[@theslitherbee]

Nothing has been "replaced". Autistic people can experience bosy dysmorphia, eating disorders and gender dysphoria, it depends on people

[@livenotbylies]

@Genzou_My_Beloved it has clearly shifted and the prevalence of one expression of neurosis has been replaced with another. yes, and autistic person can have any of those mental illnesses but we have to be honest about the trend and what that tells us about what is happening to us

[@theslitherbee]

@@livenotbylies What's happening is people are gaining more awareness regarding certain roles and expectations that were strictly followed because of tradition but that don't make sense to everyone. You can't blame some people for feeling bad due to expectations they didn't choose to be held to

[@livenotbylies]

@Genzou_My_Beloved that's insane I did not consent to government employees violating mine and my child by having an inappropriate relationship. The fact that immoral behavior has been normalized is not a defense. I don't need your consent to have a boundary. You need my consent to cross it. If morality means nothing to you, that's your business, but you can follow the law or it should be enforced

[@livenotbylies]

@Genzou_My_Beloved if you think you have a right to have relationships with other people's children that the parents did not consent to, you should be locked up

[@timothymcglynn1935]

🎉😮🎉😮🎉 very nice 👍👍👍👍👍...

[@mjangelvortex]

​@@wormwoodcocktail What abuse of women?

[@stefansauvageonwhat-a-twis1369]

@@wormwoodcocktail So are you gonna be practicing self-restraint? Oh dear nvm clicked on the profile I should probably not engage but im humoring myself

[@mjangelvortex]

Professional trans women athletes are extremely rare. In fact, trans athletes have been allowed to openly compete in the Olympics since 2003, and yet no trans woman athlete has ever gone to the Olympics. Also, policing trans women from not being able to participate may effect non-trans women too. Just like how it did with the bathroom ban. Some women with masculine features have been harassed despite not being trans. That and invasive testing could happen of such a thing were to pass.

[@MARStheFORSAKEN]

You have gender disphoria,i have autism...we are NOT he same.

[@theslitherbee]

People can have both, trust me. Besides, it's spelt "dysphoria"

[@MARStheFORSAKEN]

@@theslitherbee i never said people cannot have both i literally just said they are NOT the same and seriously? i put an i where a y is suppose to be better send me to the firing squad, this is English it doesn't even follow its own rules you knew exactly what i meant your just being facetious.

[@faustoferrari4303]

This is the most depressing thing I've ever seen.

[@theslitherbee]

Go watch a documentary about the holocaust

[@ቤዛእንድርያስ]

It got to do with lack of anchoring identity. That is the only link. That is why autistic people are susceptible to trans ideology. People are not sex machine it is silly to revolve around their identity based on sex. I say this with great love and respect find your identity in the love of Christ. You are worthy, you are loved. ❤️

[@theslitherbee]

You appear very confused bacuse that's not what trans identity is about

[@thejdmunknown4228]

Ah yes the community that fight against each other and nobody agrees on 💀

[@mjangelvortex]

A lot of communities have in-fighting in them, including some spaces revolving around autism.

[@jinkazama9017]

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[@doctordsco]

ALONSY :3

[@jinkazama9017]

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[@doctordsco]

FANTASTIC :3

[@jinkazama9017]

Lol you are not autistic.

[@TessaCoker]

To whom do you speak here?

[@christinapankey7360]

Yes, and it is highly desirable to be in not one but two stigmatized groups. That makes a lot of sense. 🤔

[@mjangelvortex]

​@@wormwoodcocktail What attention would they be seeking from this? A lot of "attention" trans people get isn't positive. Shunned by peers and family, rates of abuse go up, chances of homelessness go up, assault, etc. Not to mention just like gays, lesbians, and bisexuals, it's also possible for trans people to be closeted. If they're closeted, then how are they LARPing for attention?

[@mjangelvortex]

LARPing for attention? What kind of attention? Risking becoming homeless, bullied, harassed, assaulted, even killed? Because that's the "attention" a lot of trans people face. Also, just like some gay and lesbians some trans people are closeted. That's kinda the exact opposite of someone out looking for any kind of attention.

[@stefansauvageonwhat-a-twis1369]

You wish, but theres more in the world any of us could possibly understand