SFV Final Patch at a glance - Cammy

[@c.conga11]

I never imagined that Cammy would ever have the same health as Akuma

[@InfiniteTranscendence]

She did previously when she was at 900. They gave her 925 and then brought it back down. Akuma was a monster then though.

[@SamStraker]

We gonna forget about my boi seth with his health tied with Akuma and Cammy as the frailest character in the game

[@Bafael]

I actually did forget.

[@sirjeanpepper2492]

Damn, gottem

[@aadaaadasda9979]

IT'S MA'AM

[@Cunt143]

their

[@danielantonino3580]

@@Bafael savage

[@chinesemassproduction]

You're right about the last comment. She's been top 5 since the start and definitely #1 many times throughout the games lifespan.

[@Demon_Curse]

Factually wrong. Karin has always been number 1

[@b.blobbentein5774]

@@Demon_Curse spoken like someone with a cammy pfp

[@Demon_Curse]

@@b.blobbentein5774 the actual stats show Karin has been number 1

[@Angel7black]

Im gonna come out and say this shit right now, rashid is the best and has been for a while. Dude literally has no bad match ups

[@captainmega6310]

@@Demon_Curse ok Cammy main

[@CamXXL]

I don't even play Street Fighter but thank you for this video its appreciated by many I'm sure

[@Toomnyusernae]

I'm just reworking my Cammy map. Counter hit stand jab > stand strong > low forward >> spiral arrow (roundhouse) >>> CA is lost now I see. I'm glad I started taking notes so late in the game so there's less work to update I guess. Good stuff Baf. Giving us proper insights into her buffs, nerfs, and theoretical plays. I personally use VT2 so the new combo routes I find will be good since she needed heavier buttons to make the activation routes count. Edit: She still has the combo but only against crouchers and needs tweaking. Sad that stand roundhouse doesn't hit behind her back anymore.

[@nickkiller-0710]

Just a question from a non-Cammy player that sees some potential on her VT2 Can she cancel all of her VT cancelable normals into the dash? I always had a feeling that if she could get a combo from Cr. Fierce or just cancel blocked normals into the dash to keep pressuring it'd be pretty strong Having a comboable Overhead also seems good for such a quick ''in your face'' character like her

[@nickkiller-0710]

I really like the nerfs to her buttons, they're still rewarding, but you can punish her if she uses them mindlessly I think nerfing her health was a bit too much, but good players are still gonna kick ass with her anyway Karin got pretty much the same treatment btw

[@CrystalMang0]

Dude, she's literally super top tier so of course her health need s to be nerfed just like they did to akuma to help balance things out.

[@nickkiller-0710]

@@CrystalMang0 hmm now that you mentioned Akuma it does make sense, she has a bunch of options, it must be one helluva mental stack at high level I'm used to playing against auto pilot Cammys so my perspective is kinda skewed lol

[@ensanesane]

@@nickkiller-0710 problem for me is that sounds has like 5 more options then cammy does. People joke "give Cammy a fireball" but that's akuma except he also has air fireball, teleport, raging demon, etc 🙃

[@nickkiller-0710]

@@ensanesane Cammy has great buttons and confirms, fast move speed, can be absurdly oppressive up close, deletes fireball characters as long as she has meter, has dive kick pressure and gets oki very consistently Sure, Akuma has things she lacks like his beefy damage and stun(and his 999 combo routes), but they're overall very similar in power level The thing that gets me on the fence about specifically nerfing her stun to 900 is that her V-Reversal is punishable on block, so she might get into semi check matte situations pretty fast now

[@ensanesane]

@@nickkiller-0710 Wait Akuma has all of those things as well and more lol. Including a non punishable V reversal and not useless vskills. And medium tatsu goes through projectiles without meter even if he didn't already have red fireball and ex demon flip XD.

[@dot_exe5557]

Cammy is not only tied with Akuma for the most frail character in the game, but also with Seth. All of them have 900 stun and health

[@benjihuynh2970]

Goodness baf, when do you sleep?

[@cwistofu]

Between patches.

[@JasonYJS_xoxo]

I still don't get why Cammy's VT2 had to be one instant use on activation and one use later, like Urien's mirror, Kolin's glacier and Ibuki's bomb. I wonder what's the deal with this. Even till today, I don't think the dash shld cost as much as the command jump would.

[@JasonYJS_xoxo]

If Desk finds cool shits from a character, he'll make a combo video for the characters. I bet he has done the characters that piqued his interest.

[@thaisennj9781]

Wow these changes really *Devoured* her i mean if i were here i’d probably just become an Aztec warrior of the past who got buffed recently or sumn idk

[@silafim]

just noticed how clean your inputs are. do you do retakes so people don't get derailed about your execution lol

[@Bafael]

no just been playing for years. I used to retake to show proper plinks in SF4 videos though. Didn't like having clips where I messed up my plink but still hit the combo lol

[@okakokakiev787]

These nerfs removed the fun :(

[@Joseph-fd1oe]

have you ever planned on bringing back the how to play series like you did with sf4 at the end of sfv's life cycle or is it just the "at glance" videos?

[@Bafael]

I think I've generally moved away from that style. I'd probably do something more in line with the SF3 "combo and notes" videos I did, but I've got enough on my plate without worrying about that.

[@ryanmoss2128]

I'm sad to hear that

[@thomased22legoyodagaming]

video game

[@boyikaruz8415]

video game

[@nickkiller-0710]

video game

[@Countdownsmiles]

Yeah trying to build V meter only to be rewarded with essentially a dash cancel isn't super interesting lol

[@Bafael]

I think if the dash cancel was much cheaper it would be pretty good, unfortunately they had to give the dash the same price as the command jump for some reason, and since the mixup with the command jump is pretty good they weren't comfortable giving her 3 uses on a 2 bar trigger. I wish the command jump didn't even exist and she got like 4-5 dash cancels instead of 2

[@Taziod]

Any pc players got advice for using keyboard to play this game? Picked it up after six years and I use the usual buttons (ASD-SPACE (movement) and UIO-JKL (punched and kicks respectively)) but holy fuck this hurts my wrists and forearms even for a bit of combo practice. I've been lifting for over 8 years so I'm strong but my body just does not want me to do this. (60% keyboard). Thinking of buying a hitbox just for ergonomics reasons.

[@TreyWojo]

Hold your hands like you would when playing piano. So hold them up a little more instead of resting your wrist on the edge of the keyboard. Also if you want to eventually switch to hitbox then make sure you have a script that simulates the SOCD of a hitbox. (How inputs are read, on a hitbox if you hit both directions at the same time, they cancel out. On Keyboard it takes the second input. This is important for nailing down hitbox combos). Here's a great reddit thread explaining it: (it won't let me post the link but look up "I turned my keyboard into a hitbox" and you should find the reddit post explaining everything.) Switching to hitbox could definitely be the move, I'm switching at the end of the month when I get my Snackbox Micro, but in the meantime you can try keyboard with that script to see if you like it. Also: Try changing up where your keyboard is. I bounce back and forth between on my desk and on my lap. The strain is probably from having it in the same position for too long, so moving it around every few matches could help. Have fun!

[@squeezlebub3593]

Use UIO-HJK for your punches and kicks. Trust me, I had the same setup for a long time, but button combos like Throw, V-Skill, etc are 1000% times easier when you stagger the buttons like this. It will take a while to get used to but it’s infinitely better.

[@santi3574]

Look for an ergonomics guide on how to sit and use a pc. Don't tense yourself and practice a lot so every motion flows swiftly

[@bryanleeyf87]

I use directional keys and ASDF, ZXCV.

[@xdelbarrio]

you could also try something like HUI and NJK or JKL for punches/kicks as it allows you to rotate your wrist internally instead of externally as trying to put your hands perpendicular to a keyboard does, try to keep your wrist straight and to angle it basically and make your arm point diagonally into the keyboard (search some keyboard ergonomic for visual examples too if you can) you could also try to get a hitbox if you want

[@fatalradius]

These are def big nerfs, but Cammy players just to be more mindful when poking. I honestly never thought that by default Cammy was S-tier. She is only S-tier by pro players. Her moves are very punishable on block and is why most players give up on her. Now that her health is lower the punishing will be even more brutal. Why do most players here think she’s OP? I never had issues fighting her. Super low health, and most players mis-time her moves.

[@Demon_Curse]

You would think average players struggle to fight her but her online record shows she loses across the board.

[@Youloveme4936]

Seth has 900 health and stun as well

[@akocleol3856]

im sad for any player whos char has been nerfed.

[@shitass7389]

Don’t be. Fuck Cammy.

[@briepeterson9718]

she still cant jump back + air special?

[@Demon_Curse]

She can't even neutral jump and do it, even with meter, like she could in 4.

[@briepeterson9718]

@@Demon_Curse OHSHIT! 🤣😂 im so glad i dropped that franchise!

[@SaiKisaragi]

I feel like someone over at Capcom loved Cammy and never wanted her to be anything but top tier. If at any point she wasn’t, gats get unleashed.

[@DevilJin01]

Cammy is still an extremely important character in the meta regardless of nerfs. Shes one of the few stable matchup characters that can get in and handle Dhalsim. Like all of the season 5 characters were pretty much going to lose to a Dhalsim free in tournament pre patch, with the exception of Luke. I really doubt Luke had no struggles vs Sim either.

[@nebiyuesayas5600]

The nerfs to her buttons were def warrented. I don't think she was ever top 1, but she was easily top 5, if not top 3. As for VT2, the overhead is neat, but generally overheads are more restrained in this game. The grab is pretty good, but the VT1 divekick is too good to pass up on.

[@Neogears1312]

Honestly I hope Cammy gets a break in sf6. she definitely feels like they've used all they can for her story wise and while I don't mind her gameplay wise a lot of people havent enjoyed fighting her since Cvs2 made her not only an actually good character but consistently one of the best in every game she's appeared in since that game. People might appreciate the character more if we got a break from her at least being in the base roster.

[@haydenfisher1387]

Could be controversial if they don’t have her, but I think having Decapre show up instead could be cool

[@MusicoftheDamned]

I can't wait until Capcom pulls a "monkey's paw" on this wish by deciding to go back to Cammy's roots and make her only as "good" as she was in _Super Turbo_ instead. Personally I'd rather they just stop making her the world's youngest "crazy cat lady" as far as what little character development she's gotten overall in _SF4_ and seemingly _SF5_ too. Not going to hold my breath there though beyond them maybe *finally* doing something more with Juni or Decapre.

[@CrossfacePanda]

Cammy is in the top 5 most common characters Capcom uses to promote Street Fighter as a franchise, together with Ryu, Chun, Guile & Ken. So I doubt she’s going anywhere for SF6, given how mainstream popular she is.

[@Daniel-uq8ix]

Bro she's literally almost as popular as Chun, she's definitely will be in the game

[@greggwashington4015]

I dunno I feel like you might lose out on an essential angle of 2D fighting if you leave Cammy out. She's typically one of the characters that force you to deal with aerial approaches and rushdown. Without her and maybe Akuma there's no one from he classic cast I can think of that fits the same role That being said subbing in a different character that works similarly might work. Decapre is an obviously good suggestion

[@resonmon]

They destroyed my goddess.....

[@GreenBro11]

Cammy's been a top pick essentially the entirety of SFV's lifespan and SF6 will probably launch within a year. These nerfs kind of don't mean much at this point.

[@Demon_Curse]

The top pick is Karin. Please read the actual stats before spouting nonsense.

[@GreenBro11]

@@Demon_Curse I said "a" top pick, not "the" top pick as in Cammy has been a strong character almost all of SFV, not specifically the best character. Please actually read the comment before spouting nonsense.

[@adamwall-r6f]

Kage pls

[@ThirtyfourEC]

order

[@SamStraker]

Look at the order of the PDF of buffs. He is going by that order

[@Intrenxic_Dark]

Someone always does this in the comments, lol! He stated in the first video that he's doing the buffs/nerfs in the order of the patch notes. Kage ain't coming out for at least another week or so.

[@flame_eh]

This character has the single most lackluster changes on the entire list for me. These changes do nothing but make the character less interesting to play and the VT2 changes were simply not enough as you said, the damage off those combos is really not worth the effort of using the trigger and adds nothing of value to the character when compared to VT1.

[@Stroggoii]

I don't think a tiny increase in damage is worth having to completely change your play style.

[@MS-ql8ek]

I still think she is strong

[@MrMisfortune]

"I feel like more people are gonna be happy to hear that than sad" Yeah, I'm people, RIP BOZO, rest in piss you won't be missed!

[@robertgeorge4602]

Cammy now has same health and stun as Akuma and Seth (the glass cannons). That made me realize how strong Cammy is and it doesnt sit right with me. Nerf Akuma and Seth to 875 but give them some really big buffs to compensate and we are all good though.

[@Demon_Curse]

Seth and Akuma had 850 health in SF4 and Cammy had 950 and average health was 1000. Meanwhile damage output was less across the board. There is no reason for her to 900 health in SF5, especially when they upped the average health to 1025. There shouldn't be TOD combos and yet they exist only against these 3 characters.

[@Archedgar]

I also heard many times that Cammy, sometimes along with Karin, were the best characters in the game. Having heard that, I expected the final patch to hit Cammy pretty hard but these appear to be modest changes instead. Hmm.

[@Jetanium]

Karin hasn’t been up top for a while now, no?

[@jermaineallen8310]

@@Jetanium Karin definetly been in top 10 since the beginning

[@kevingriffith6011]

In a vacuum these changes are pretty modest, but do remember that the vast majority of the cast got only buffs. I still think she's still going to be a solid A+ tier character and absolutely worth the time to learn, but she's probably not the best character in the game anymore... If I was a betting person I'd say it's Luke now.

[@Demon_Curse]

@@Jetanium Karin has been easier version of Cammy with none of her weaknesses.

[@truthseekingtroll3575]

Cammy in my opinion is still too good for being such an easy to use character she needed her Oki after CA removed her jump ins adjusted and more frame data nerfs.

[@Demon_Curse]

Ever character gets oki after super. Her normals are literally worse versions of Karin's. She has the highest execution barrier in the game. Get good.

[@truthseekingtroll3575]

@@Demon_Curse "She has the Highest execution barrier in the game" LOLOLOLOLOLOL I always knew that Cammy mains were down players but I never knew they were so delusional.

[@Demon_Curse]

@@truthseekingtroll3575 15 frame hit confirm window, TKCS, all specials negative on block, only 5 normals are positive. Not even Punk could use her effectively and always has to run back to Karin

[@ashtar3876]

Deserved nerfs