SFV Final Patch at a glance - Juri

[@timeparadox999]

whenever they buff her vt2 they do it in a way that feels like an apology for making it

[@Neogears1312]

That is such a descriptive statement. I’ve never felt someone perfectly described something better than this.

[@Bafael]

It's very hard to quantify how useful "steals meter" is which unfortunately means it's very hard to balance. It's easy to find useful things she can do with VT1 so that one's immediately attractive to any player.

[@deathbringer9893]

@@Bafael the only one i can think that a meter steal worked was terumi in od off the top of my head

[@Kenzamaka]

@@deathbringer9893 Let's not overlook Morrigan's ability to steal meter. Neat in her own game but terrifying in UMvC3...

[@deathbringer9893]

@@Kenzamaka forgot about that tbh

[@apinkdslite1833]

so nice to see Juri got her 9th and even 10th plus frames on block

[@robertbarber1198]

She is worlds better now then she was when she first came out holy crap.

[@bootysensei]

Sucks that it took this long though. Many people have left already

[@Neogears1312]

I don’t think there was ever a character that let people down harder than Juri. Even I remember how defeated everyone felt with this character for the first 3 years she was around. She’s like a modern day Sean.

[@nixuniverse5240]

@@Neogears1312 She was so drastically changed from SF4 it's like the devs didn't know what they wanted her character to be. She's a glass cannon with poor damage, long limbs but with no way to take advantage of the spacing, somewhat fast but with no mix up game..it's like what even was this character on release ?

[@apa123APA]

Never forget when she couldn't even combo two mediums into each other.

[@13thKingMu]

@@nixuniverse5240 iirc,the devs didn't think about adding Juri in this game at all but like mileena fans from mk community,they basically forced to add her into the game just to pleased fans with no testing like Alex(remember during early 2010 to 2016 is easily Capcom's worst time until RE7 and Monster hunter world saved them) but at least unlike mk11 Mileena where the devs just straight up quitted the live service even though they said they'll support more than mkx and leave her being incomplete boring playstyle compared to her mk9 and x,Juri is finally complete even it took 4-5 years to do so

[@JB_CY]

the juri is out on if these buffs wi-

[@nivyan]

that one physically hurt, take a like

[@CidemNK]

Booooooooo

[@BritishTeaFGC]

I really like this comment, James Chen

[@Neogears1312]

👏

[@animaIpath]

don’t get it

[@senzen623]

That stand strong buff is so legit. It felt like putting together a good blockstring was one of her biggest weaknesses. Now that area feels up to par.

[@ensanesane]

Famously the "1 plus on block button besides lights" character

[@eyeh0]

Absolutely! That buff was something she deserved several seasons ago. Why she got only stMP > stMK as her only medium conversion, which she didn’t even have during release, was outrageous. It was obvious they were reigning in her confirms but for no good reason at all.

[@BlueLightningSky]

"Juri has a total of 8 plus frames on block"

[@blyat8832]

ngl I feel like Juri is the character that perfectly represented the state of sfv when she came out each season. I mean, season one she was god awful, limited, and downright painful to use. then over time she became more and more playable, getting newer stuff that didn't really matter. and now in the final update she got everything she needed and more, which basically summerized the final patch of the game. I can't be the only one who noticed this

[@Czulki]

Yep you nailed it

[@Antifrost]

As someone who's believed in VT2 for the longest time with Juri, this is one more change to help me feel validated.

[@Toomnyusernae]

More ex, improves overall fundamentals rather than depend on VT1? I like the meter gain honestly. Anyone who jumps gets a nice CA from me.

[@apa123APA]

The feels when after all these years she finally got a plus frame in a patch.

[@曉p-p7t]

Justakid meanwhile : 80 wins streak with Juri

[@ScrotumJoe34]

my juri main soul feels like it has closure now 💜🖤

[@nebiyuesayas5600]

I'm glad she got these buffs, Juri players have been asking for them for a while. She changed a lot from SF4, and I know it sucks that she launched arguably worse. Also, random side note, Juri’s flipkick is just Kim’s Hangetsuzan from KoF. Change my mind.

[@dot_exe5557]

This patch is great for Juri. They buffed her conversions, pressure and damage. I was asking for these stMP buffs since years and reading the patch notes for Juri made me really pop off. Same with the stHP into heavy and EX Flipkick. It was always so mind blowing to me how most characters can combo their heavy and EX specials from medium normals and Juri couldn’t even do them from a heavy normal, apart from crHP which outside of an AA or some jump in combos you never going to hit. The reduced pushback on her light DP is also super great for her to keep up her pressure. Honestly reading the patch notes I wouldn’t have thought that they would have reduced the pushback on hit that much. The VT2 changes are actually nice too and I think it is somewhat decent now, but it still gets hugely outclassed by her VT1. Juri has come a long way since S1, where she was to this day the absolute worst character in any version of SFV ever. She is really good in this version of the game, not top tier, but really good.😄

[@user-gi6hd5ol6f]

juri mains no longer need copium Ship it off to the cammy community!

[@BlueLightningSky]

Remember when the best part of VT2 was that little spin she does and being able to change what she says? I still think that's kinda true.

[@gianyrivera1082]

Brings a tear to my eye, they did her justice this patch

[@kevingriffith6011]

On the VS2 -> VT1 Cancel, I've found two useful routes now, and they're both after H.Stock -> VS2 -> VT1. The first is EX-Flip -> H-Fuha -> EX Fuha, which is a few feet shy of corner-to-corner. The Second is Dash under -> H.Fuha -> EX fuha for a side-switch that can put your opponent back in the corner.

[@CB66941]

I don't think there many moves in Street Fighter history that forces re-stand. I can think of Bison U1 in SF4 and maybe that weird glitch that can be performed on Gill in SF3 from the top of my head.

[@DreamerADV]

finally, a functional character

[@eyeh0]

I’m just glad that Juri finally got a substantial patch that has meaningful buffs instead of just minor fixes to her clunky design. It took the last patch for them to stop holding back but I’ll take it!

[@AriesWarlock]

Been waiting for Juri buffs since the day she was released!

[@Eddiegames9]

The faster CA travel time should also make it a much more reliable combo on super cancelled air connect 623LP

[@ArxGaming67]

Damn I'm so glad that they finished a character (I enjoy) after all this time!

[@gdfr365]

LETS GO BAF

[@eoeaoe12e]

you forgot to give a retrospective about her past seasons and how you think about Juri now

[@deepblue2]

Finally I can play Juri again.

[@ericjames4754]

Juri mains rise up 🙌

[@Archedgar]

JURI CHAAAAAAAAAAAAN

[@Atlas_FGC]

Yesss, it's _time_

[@nixuniverse5240]

I kinda wish they gave her VS1 cancel less end lag.

[@kevingriffith6011]

One insignificant change that I think is funny to point out because it makes pre-patch VT2 somehow *even worse*: You can now activate VT2 while there is a VS2 projectile on the screen. You couldn't do that before. I've played Juri for about four hundred hours and I can't fathom why you couldn't do that from the start.

[@damiens1998]

it only took 3 years of hrt for capcom to meaningully buff juri :) i love my new pressure options sm

[@ErikZer0FX]

I wish you went on a bit more in your final thoughts, specifically how she stacks up gameplay wise compared to SF4. She was one of few characters that debuted in 4 that made it to 5, and she was changed pretty drastically, which put some people off from the character on top of mediocre at best she was until this point. It would be interesting to hear your thoughts on which version was more fun/better/etc.

[@Bafael]

She was famously unpopular in 4. She was like the 2nd most popular character at sub 1000 PP and then dropped off like a stone above that. It got a bit better by ultra but I heard literally a hundred times "I wish I could be a juri main but she's too awkward." Her visual design is very popular but from a gameplay design I consider her a failure in both games

[@PomadaGaming]

0:55 huh

[@PomadaGaming]

1:31 damn

[@kambo954]

Cody

[@GemmaBee14]

These are in character release order so you’ll have a while to wait.

[@umkirraqueen1192]

shes an actual fuckin character now but still far from her glory days, please do her right in sf6 capcom,,

[@eggimage]

i feel VT2 is still way to weak… the absorption rate is too slow. most other triggers get you far greater advantages than this

[@Ciara0]

I really don't get the general opinion of Juri in SFV. I prefer her visual design and OST theme in V, and while I prefer her IV moveset (I miss the multiple fireball heights!) I still like the V one too. Granted she's miles better than she was in S1, but I never thought she was terrible even then Not that peoples' opinions aren't valid of course, we all have our own takes, but it saddens me that people dislike the V one generally when it's actually my preferred incarnation overall! Either way I can't wait to see how she pans out in 6

[@Pandaman64]

I think the specials are the problem. The fireballs in sf4 we're really really good. So good it made sense they were gated behind charges. Her new specials to charge for are....bad. they're very, very bad. The fireball is still good but not great, but the other two are combo fodder. If you removed the charge gimmick she would still only be mediocre. That's the issue, is that she has a needless handicap. Or it was beck in s2 when I quit the game. Hopefully not the case anymore.

[@xOceanx99]

@@Pandaman64 I feel like her fireball is better in V actually. It’s so slow she can follow it in, it’s safe on block, which is a rarity for fireballs in V, and the recovery is faster than sonic boom. On top of having the ability to make her other fuhas safe with it. M and H aren’t quite as useful, but they do shoot her damage output through the fucking roof from certain confirms. “Combo fodder” isn’t entirely inaccurate though lol

[@Threxx11]

the doomposters in this comment section are really funny to me given juri has been really strong for at least a couple years now and is arguably top 10 now. from someone who actually plays this character, she's fine and she's honestly one of the more interesting characters in the game. if you liked the SF4 version of the character it's unfortunate that she changed so much but i think it's probably worth trying her again. really though, i wonder how many of those people actually played her since season 1

[@Threxx11]

on the subject of the actual changes, the stMP and stHP changes have incredible synergy and it feels amazing to finally have a useful medium > heavy CH link on this character. the super change also makes some combos where you juggle into super (mainly from light DP) a bit more consistent as they could fall out if you juggled the DP a bit too late. the vt2 changes are interesting but i can't see any MU where its worth using still. vt1 is honestly a top 3 2 bar v-trigger and the opportunity cost of not picking it is STILL vt2's biggest weakness. cool restand though.

[@kevingriffith6011]

@@Threxx11 I personally think that VT2 is still her best long range -8 punish and whiff-punish tool. In matchups where Juri struggles against long buttons I think it's a completely functional V-Trigger. It's easily her highest damage punish for a blocked sweep or Honda M.Headbutt. (At least I think that one is -8, Might be misremembering). Something like Nash's sobat is *really hard* to whiff punish without it, and kinda tricky even with it, and the "No V-reversal" change means you get offense even if you screw up your whiff punish.

[@12fullmetal12]

"Top 10". Bruh lmao Juri isn't strong, it's just people usually not knowing the MU. Both her best pokes still being -4 on block is terrible for a rushdown playstyle, not to mention the fact you still don't start rounds with Fuhas charged, despite all your specials being minus on block. Juri was bad, and now she's just kinda bad. Other characters do what you want to do with Juri way better. I main Juri, but a lot of times I wonder why I'm not just playing Akira or Seth.

[@TheOneAndOnlyJell_O]

"Arguably top 10 now" I've never seen someone cope *so hard* with their character being mediocre for the lifespan of a game than this. Kudos for being a loyalist but man are you delusional

[@Threxx11]

​@@12fullmetal12 basically everything you wrote here tells me you understand nothing about juri's neutral, her specials or her optimal playstyle so i can't fathom what you think she should be doing. > Both her best pokes still being -4 on block is terrible for a rushdown playstyle this makes no sense? how is the frame data of pokes relevant to rushdown ability? most strong pokes in the game are -4 or worse. stMK being -4 is almost never relevant in terms of being punishable and the fact it's a 5F normal on its first hit means you can often get strong range traps by just buffering a second stMK after the first is blocked, and you clip their counterpoke into a KD. stHK being -4 is relevant since it moves her forward, but it's not difficult to space outside of characters with incredible 4F punish options like sakura. > not to mention the fact you still don't start rounds with Fuhas charged this might have been a necessary design change at one point but at this stage it would make her broken. she has significantly better oppurtunities for damage and offense now without fuha stocks, and quite frankly they're not that hard to get if you're actually playing the character properly (i.e. her hit and run playstyle and not just trying to be low damage karin like you seem to think she is) > despite all your specials being minus on block. you do realize that you can just walk back slightly and her fireball is plus right? this is actually hillarious not to mention that most plus on block pressure reset specials in the game right now are arguably mediocre compared to standard stagger pressure since those kinds of cancels are very weak to v-shift. so you don't understand her neutral, offense, or her general win condition. i don't think you know what makes her strong.

[@DarkX64]

"Really tightened the screws in Juri" eh? Somethin you wanna tell us Baf?

[@ZioSerpe]

Imagine seeing the stand strong +6 on hit I called for in S2 because it was a no brainer and see it happen now when the game is at its most irrelevant and I haven't touched it in 2 years

[@Pandaman64]

Bummer

[@Intrenxic_Dark]

The only things Juri mains care about are her feet.

[@TheOneAndOnlyJell_O]

true

[@Neogears1312]

As someone who thinks this character was always lame; I’m sorry Juri fans. You. Were. ROBBED… Super hard. They got nothing right with this character to start with from gameplay to design. Here’s hoping when she inevitably comes back in 6 she’s fixed and they make it up to you in spades. I think most people can ubiquitously say this was the worst handled returning character where it’s unclear what their goal with this character was supposed to be.

[@tcchip]

Yeah, if they were going to make her a Jam-styled character who needed to load up on her charges, then at the very least, let her stack multiple charges of the same strength, or make them really powerful. Juri's charged moves could have been given to her by itself without the need to charge, and they still wouldn't shoot her to the top of the tier list. It's not as if anyone was complaining her USFIV version wasn't viable to begin with. This was just change for the sake of it.

[@Neogears1312]

@@tcchip yeah this really shows the difference in ideology between Ono and the new leads; rose also was a character with an overhaul that didn’t turn out to be too strong but rose functioned so much better and the change was to make her more engaging. Juri took a pretty ok character and gutted them.

[@Pandaman64]

@@tcchip THIS. what's the point of storing charges for specials that aren't even that good?

[@dextrodemon]

still kinda a lame feeling version of the character tbh, hopefully they do something more interesting with her next time, with korean culture being so popular it's a bit uncool not being able to leverage your sexy korean lady into a popular character

[@illgeteverythingback]

juri mains are like genuinely obsessed with her, it's so weird

[@muffin2221]

Ok

[@illgeteverythingback]

@@muffin2221 glad you proved my point

[@muffin2221]

@@illgeteverythingback ok

[@Chun-believable]

She wasn’t awful before this patch. But Juri mains are tied for 1st place with the Ryu mains for constantly crying and playing victim and overall never shutting the fuck up. I wonder what their excuse is gonna be this time for not using the character they cried so much about. Of the bases that cried season after season, only Gief was really oppressed the most. FANG too but even his players didn’t complain as much. I’d say even Vega before he was buffed.

[@chinesemassproduction]

She is still absolutely nonviable. Juri, perhaps more than characters like Lucia and Zangief, got the raw end of the deal in SFV. Her changes were a total negative and any balance patch that came out never fixed that. They took a very popular, well designed character from SF4, an installment with mediocre characters like Abel to absolute garbage like El Fuerte, and turned her into trash, gameplay wise and popularity wise. I hope SF6 will fix this, but I doubt it.

[@MansMan42069]

K.

[@Angel7black]

You have to be outside your mind to think shes not viable now

[@MlitosAdventures]

Wait a minute...you are capping here. First off...Rufus was a broken character in USFIV up and down..secondly...Juri is not a character anyone can just pick up without a learning curve. Imagine being trapped with a guessing game when VT2 is activated? Sounds like you are more upset Juri doesn't play like USFIV Juri which can be understandable...but to claim she is unviable is a huge stretch.

[@dudeofdestroying]

What the fuck are you smoking

[@HiroOfLegend]

We are all in awe of how cold a take this is. This could be used as a replacement for Dry Ice, Thanks for playing.

[@metalgrunt400]

Useful, but still a boring character and an empty shell of what she once was. Just like this game