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[@SpeakOnFS1]

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[@graysonschutzman4853]

Where he explains really well how KD isnt a top ten player

[@mrlilrip10]

@@graysonschutzman4853 lol

[@martingamble4102]

It makes perfect sense Steph Curry wasn't even Finals MVP he chokes in big moments that's why they call on KD you got to be for real with yourself stop disrespecting Kevin Durant stats is better than Stephen Curry be for-real my guy

[@jonathanogundeji4342]

Wiley’s argument that Steph couldn’t beat lebron doesn’t help his argument for KD lol Because Steph beat KD on the way to losing to Bron

[@elp3035]

Also, they lost in a game 7 by 3 points then went on to destroy them the next 2 years with KD.KD was overkill. Any other good SG would've been good enough

[@D.Jackpot]

Exactly. Some of his points was proving buddy right.

[@jonathanogundeji4342]

@@elp3035 yeah I don’t understand why people act like they dont understand this. All time great performances from Bron and Kyrie, Steph injured, Draymond suspended, and it was a 1/2 possession game basically in game 7 all the way to the death KD moving to golden state ruined the league because of how good golden state was, not just how good KD was

[@Narikvp]

Seems like everyone ignores the fact that GS beat OKC on the way to the finals.

[@Atlantafan21]

@@D.Jackpot u mean Acho?

[@exia4203]

Steph beat Durant down 3-1 so comparing steph losing to lebron makes no sense when that same year he beat durant

[@enydreaddy6622]

Thank u

[@shaswatbhattarai8320]

THIS MAN just proved LBJ as GOAT defending KD against Steph.. add 4 more championship to LBJ if they don't combine KD, Steph, Thompson and Green..

[@L0UDM0UTH]

@@shaswatbhattarai8320 facts it’s sickening bruh. Didnt watch basketball for 3 years

[@AcesBeatz]

@@shaswatbhattarai8320 LBJ is the GOAT of Cleveland MJ is the GOAT of the NBA let's get that right. MJ had 1 squad never created his own superteams and couldnt be beaten LBJ lost to Mavs with Prime Wade and Bosh that will forever linger. Give MJ Prime Wade and Bosh he would go 8 or 9 straight he would do 8 if he never retired.

[@duffman1876]

No Kyrie no KLove

[@jeremiahsmith7706]

KD didn't prove himself in Golden State because he had no real chance to lose in Golden State. He performed great, but he could've played average and the result wouldn't have changed. There was no pressure in regards to losing or failing. You could've swapped any superstar in place of KD and the Warriors still win. He has to prove himself outside of GS. He has to show us that he can win when losing is an actual possibility. And btw, he's not top 10. He's top 15 in my book.

[@gmurder13905]

They def had pressure to win because of THAT team lost it would be very bad

[@MrMancreatedgod]

@ george. sure thing. And it woulda been on steph. Yall like to rewrite history and it was only 5-6 years ago? Jfc.....

[@SShaBazzz]

KD did have a chance to lose there. He just didn't lose. Any team has a chance to lose.

[@mriwaschosentobegreat4084]

@@SShaBazzz nobody was beating that 2017-2017 warriors team . Stephen curry , Klay Thompson and Kevin Durant were going to win championship regardless .. that team was stacked

[@jvtopflight796]

😭😭😭 Rockets were up on them 3-2.. Wtf are you talking about

[@darnellwillingham6883]

Curry was the one being doubled. Kd got to play one on one

[@m.bailey8537]

I think it’s more how he got swept playing poorly in the first 3 games and not even that great in the 4th game that would hurt his legacy abit

[@rustyt45]

That is the problem. He did not play well in the series.

[@mylaughingeffect3459]

Yeah.

[@clemz9013]

Exactly, the where and when he got swept does matter to an extent but the manner in which he got swept, playing so poorly is what really stains his legacy and the reason why people compare it to his time at GSW is because at the GSW he was allowed to be the best version of himself because he played with the 2 greatest shooters of all time.

[@latinaforever4892]

And last year was the size of his shoes🤦🏻‍♀️ too many excuses for Kevin Durant .... 🙄

[@bpraise517]

A bit....that's it...I agree

[@austinlavigne3977]

Let’s not forget how much Klay and Steph’s presence allowed KD to be so wide open

[@Jamalsbrand]

Thank you for acknowledging that!

[@kalanievans2341]

DING casuals never mention this fact

[@terrancestokes7315]

What about Kevin Durants presence allowing Steph & klay to be open?

[@igot5onit423]

Let's not act like Kd couldn't pull up over anybody and make it effortlessly.. I feel there's more to this story

[@austinlavigne3977]

@@terrancestokes7315 they did it with out him even being there with the system he was so against so he could play hero ball

[@MrTrini2]

I think KD has dirt on Marcellus, he's always making excuses for KD, this's what happens when you take short cuts to win a championship, it puts a smile on my face the Sport Networks taking heads anointed Nets team got sweped.

[@aatiti2011]

😂😂😂

[@jonsnipe5484]

Facts his take makes no sense .. KD was horrible in this series

[@tony17802]

Thats his fav player

[@jacobhaines6807]

This is a debate show, half of what that man says its purely just to be devils advocate. He doesn't believe half of what comes out his mouth. I'd put money on it

[@SOLO4223ful]

The sweep is bad.. but his legacy ???? Y’all tripping

[@Derpfriar]

I can name 15 players easy better than KD throughout time. His legacy has taken a huge dent. If you honestly think KD is a fringe top 10 player you dont understand basketball fully.

[@michaelwashington4408]

Lets go

[@PearlJamGuy10]

He barely scrapes into top 5 all time at SF when you think about it, there's arguments for Hill, Pippen and Willins whereas Bird and LeBron definitively better.

[@johnbach2380]

I think KD running to the Warriors affected his legacy... this was just the icing on the cake.

[@myishacausey6199]

In a way because KD’s game was elevated by GS offensive strategy of TEAM ball. KD was able to get his numbers up through open looks as defenses focused on Step and Klay (who were happy to forego their stats in order to win a championship). So yeah… if KD’s legacy falls on his seasons at GS… then people should think about that.

[@furikakez]

Had KD won a ring with the Nets this year or last year, that wouldn't matter.

[@enigmaticgenius7717]

@@myishacausey6199 KD didn't win a scoring title nor a season mvp as a Warrior, but he did in OKC!🤔

[@myishacausey6199]

@@furikakez the “HAD” you mentioned, DOESN’T MATTER.

[@furikakez]

​@@myishacausey6199 Maybe not to you, but It does to John Bach's argument. He says going to the Warriors and not whatever he did with the Nets is what ruined his legacy. I disagree.

[@jide5756]

Marcellus so clearly lost this debate. Its hilarious.

[@jjordan6066]

This is what happens when you your pride is talking. Lol

[@micmuzique6432]

So correct. Like you can literally tell from his talking points. Especially after listening to Pancho's talking points. Like you said when you first started. I don't know why you don't like Kevin durant. But if you like them like I do. And then he went down the long list of excuses. Not reasons excuses just like they do with LeBron james. Excuses.

[@C2Poke]

Getting swept in the 1st rd is not the "same outcome" as getting swept later in the playoffs. If you get swept in the Finals, it came after you won 3 playoff series (including a conference championship series). You can't ignore the accomplishment. A 3-1 payoff series record (that ended with you getting swept) is not the same outcome as a 0-1 playoff series record (that ended with you getting swept).

[@chadbinette3201]

Agreed, not to mention every round of the playoffs gets tougher and better competition. LeBron getting swept in the finals is a testament to LeBron DRAGGING some of those Cavs teams to the finals. And the 2018 finals I still see lebron making that face to Jr Smith like "what the f... you thinkn" And I'm not a lebron fan at all but I'm not gonna deny him be great, him being an all time great. In years past Im sure #7 or #8 seeds have been swept in the first round, but probably not with 2 all-nba players and quite a few other very good players. Though past thier prime, Blake Griffin was the face of a team for years, Dragic was Miami heat leading scorer when they went to the bubble finals just 2 years ago, Seth curry played pretty well in this series, believe he had a couple 20point games and let's not forget the Ronald McDonald impersonator Ben Simmons, with all that, this sweep falls on Durant and kryie, your Max players and to have 4 games in a row of not being able to get it together. Kyrie played his best in game 1 and Durant played his best in game 4, both had 39 points in thier respective "best " game I think? Ironically. Even though it took Durant 31 shots to get 39 points, and that was with 10 free throws? Maybe more. Either way they are both considered top 20-25 players no matter how you rank them, Durant being a top 5 player a worst.

[@judahmourneth1466]

Superstars are not supposed to get swept in the finals.

[@dwhitestan9]

@@judahmourneth1466 superstars aren’t supposed to get swept in the 1st round Thats even worse bro

[@youraverage90sguys7]

@@judahmourneth1466 one super star vs 2 and better all round cast, stop acting as if things were equal. nets vs celts, nets had 2 superstars, tatum fringe superstar and still lost, stop it

[@judahmourneth1466]

@@dwhitestan9 Boston was a better team. What are you guys not getting. I had Boston winning in 5. It was the 2 seed vs 7th seed. Boston winning was not a surprise

[@123puppo]

Bruh he talking like it was just KD on the warriors.. KD was playing with the two best shooters of all time in his back court… so teams had to play against that plus KD?!? KD can’t lead his own team to the finals, he needs steph and klay.

[@stan219]

He already led a team to the finals

[@treblackwell7559]

@@stan219 a team that didn’t need him. You could’ve put just about any 20 point plus scorer in KD position and they could’ve won. KD only balled out because most attention was towards Curry and Klay

[@myishacausey6199]

@@treblackwell7559 If you could get Marcellus to say that you could get his spot on Speack for yourself!

[@jvtopflight796]

He lead OKC to the Finals.. Actually know basketball history before saying that

[@stan219]

@@treblackwell7559 what he said fool ^.

[@sy12]

Sorry but curry got more attention from opposing defenses when KD was there. Kd left GS cuz he knew he wasn’t getting the credit even after winning back to back finals mvp. I think this became crystal clear to him when draymond told him “we were winning before you”

[@gmurder13905]

Curry did not see those kind of double teams like KD has and curry struggled in the playoffs with KD and Klay there

[@boonebeasley9622]

@@gmurder13905 seriously stop making up excuses for kd it’s ridiculous

[@almightyderic527]

@@gmurder13905 KD was wide open 70% of the time because of Curry…

[@allenmobley8444]

@@almightyderic527 I’ll also add Klay also got a lot of attention from the defense too.

[@tamarcusmcconnell3606]

@@almightyderic527 bozo doesn’t know what he’s talking bout curry was getting tripled and quadruple teamed even with kd and klay on the floor I have picture of it in my phone right now whole defense was on Steph kd was on the wing wide open wit his hands up calling for the ball

[@luffydono1129]

Steph was doubled and tripled guarded by the opposition team while Durant was not.

[@KonaTheDragon]

100% and that's why that Cavs team was the only ones who could stop the Warriors because Delevedova was able to take him on by himself. LeBron better have paid that pesky player a nice bonus for that!

[@latinaforever4892]

Damian L will win a championship too with the Warriors 2017 - 18 , anyone, not just KD , very easy ride for him 🤡 he knows that!!,

[@oraynewildman3503]

Without Steph and the Warriors KD’s legacy wouldn’t look so good. He owes Steph. Couldn’t win a chip without him, realized that he wouldn’t get by him in the West after KD blew a 3-1 lead. So what Kevin did, if you can’t beat them, join them.

[@gmurder13905]

And how many rings would Steph have without those rings KD helped him win

[@jesseortiz45]

Idk everyone thinks the warriors couldnt win a series without him.. They won the first one non contested.. So what they lost the 2nd in a super close,series to the cavs we actually dont know what eould have happened if golden state kept it fair.. Was total bogus to go get Kevin ducant and only won 2 outta 3 rings possible with all that talent they had 5 all stars starters... While the cavs had 3

[@myishacausey6199]

@@gmurder13905 1 how many would KD have?

[@repentyasharahla7632]

@@gmurder13905 he would have more then KD

[@bishopbad373]

@@gmurder13905 bro Steph won a ring without KD, and before KD!! What is you talking about 🤣🤣 you kd fanboys are delusional

[@tristingarcia4347]

This man really said KD was a top 10 player all time…

[@patsyjongski5766]

I already got used to people saying that he was top 15 all time, but this is new

[@JOHN-zl5kw]

They want to give awards before the project done ✔. Kd not top 10. Potential dont equal success

[@snippetsonly1453]

KD is a 6’11 bag less cj McCollum

[@cajeb5396]

KD top 10 is a complete joke. Jordan, Lebron, Kareem Bill Russell, Wilt, Bird, Magic, Shaq, Duncan, Hakeem, Kobe. That's 11. KD beats two of them out? No way. He's borderline Top 15, not 10. He belongs just behind names like Steph Curry and Moses Malone.

[@mrj5695]

That’s bologna

[@justpassing6643]

The only thing that messes up his record is that he hasn't been able to get to the top unless he's in a team that's already clocking 73-9 without him. KD is a beast when it comes to skills, no one can deny that. Probably the most skilled 7ft'er. But it is what it is, he got his chips on easy mode.

[@KonaTheDragon]

He's not 7' so no, Duncan has that title.

[@M.Ray95]

And nobody will ever forget that

[@mikeygaming9402]

@@KonaTheDragon kd is 7ft

[@KonaTheDragon]

@@mikeygaming9402 In 2011 the league cracked down on it and got accurate measurements. KD claimed 6’8 when he entered the league but then officially measured 6’10 in 2011. I don’t think he’s grown in his 30’s…

[@Messigoat1033]

Marcellus energy is completely different 😂. Man was acting so sassy picking the nets

[@masonneal3893]

Right said they was gon win in like 5

[@riverjao]

“If you hate KD he’s a fringe top 10 all timer.” And if you’re just objective he’s top 20-15ish when he’s all done

[@youraverage90sguys7]

adding to that, in no way shape or form is he ahead of curry, he got one more mvp, and one more ring, while with kd, was the driving force behind it. ty lue said so himself, planned around steph not kd. i also have kd in 15-20 range, and steph 10-15 range. its hard not to argue steph isnt top 10 if he wint anotger ring with fmvp and would absolutely solidify his case if he adds another regular mvp as well, kd is an all time great, but not as great as people make him out to be

[@youngsa942]

@@youraverage90sguys7 2017 finals: Stephen Curry averaged 26.8 points, 9.4 assists and 8.0 rebounds in 5 games KD averaged 35.2 points, 8.2 rebounds, 5.4 assists, 1.6 blocks and 1.0 steals, while shooting 55.6 percent overall and 47.4 percent from deep 2018 finals: Stephen Curry averaged 27.5 points, 6.8 assists and 6.0 rebounds in 4 games Durant averaged 28.8 points, 10.8 rebounds and 7.5 assists

[@FatStarZzzz]

Marcelus is loccked on a single angle about this matter. He's trapped and drops things "u ain't selling me this" facing someone outrageously outsmarting him with multiple angles on a matter. it's sad to watch a grown man act like a fanboy.

[@michaelwashington4408]

Stop it? He been a top 3 player in this league for what like 15 years...hes top 15 all time

[@riverjao]

@@michaelwashington4408 Are you under 30 years old?

[@karu2995]

The most important detail they didn’t mention, “how did you play?” If you balled out, but your team still lost it should be very different then if you played poorly and were one of the main reasons they lost. KD played like trash the first 3 games. That’s why it matters

[@nimahanna1709]

Celtics defence had KD figured out, which was evident after the first game. They kept running iso plays to KD cause they didn’t have the talent or chemistry to do much else. “KD just played bad” really diminishes the celtics defence.

[@swelly84]

@@nimahanna1709 🤣🤣🤣

[@wesleycuban8649]

Exactly. In 2015 they thought about giving Lebron the MVP even though he lost, so you know how hard you have to be balling for them to even consider that ?? That wasn’t Kd. He had one good game, played poorly in 3, and didn’t win one single game even though every single game was winnable.

[@wesleycuban8649]

@@nimahanna1709 That’s the coaching staff fault. They know Kd and Kyrie like to play iso so they shoulda had a backup system in place for when that wasn’t working, something like idk “Team Ball” so they would still be able to excel when one of them got shut down. Then if you really think about it the rest of the starters and bench were fine ! KD and Kyrie played bad !

[@youraverage90sguys7]

@@wesleycuban8649 not saying nash is a good coach, but that style of play is exactly what kd and kyrie want, kd even said last year with dubs that kerr sould use more iso ball, despite winning games by doing the opposite, thats why they cosigned on nash and kyrie said they dont need a coach. they want a newbie who would be a pushover with gameplans

[@radellcombs471]

I mess with skip and Shannon heavy, but I truly love listening to these brothers. Continued blessings 💪🏽👑

[@challiray]

Yes marcellus. Let's look at when they play together. What were the win-loss ratios when Steph and KD played without each other?

[@raejonnriggins]

😂🤡 he pinning himself down with a huge bolder bringing that up. Everybody and their entire generation past , present and future knows the order of importance as a defender is STEPH KLAY theeeeeen kd lower cased.

[@Marmy40]

I think the bad part with KD getting swept on this series is that the Blueprint is now laid out on how to shut down KD. Shutting down Kyrie is not that important cause it's been done before. But actually, the worst part is that the Blueprint is laid out on how to shut down KD and Kyrie together. So I don't think KD is going to win a chip with the NETS as the Driver. Unless He goes to another team, where another superstar is the one driving the bus, He won't get another Championship ring.

[@kgar5]

There is no blueprint, you have to have the Celtics players, they are different.

[@durrellyoung1496]

This wasnt a blueprint they did this to him when he was on okc it was impossible when he was on the warriors with two snipers on that team

[@latinaforever4892]

KD can go to Dallas or Celtics and he will win more rings ! 🤔

[@FranciscoLopez-hp3kf]

This bus driver analogy is funny lol, Kenny be salty lol

[@inidbil7277]

Steve Kerr and the warriors shut kd down in 2016 when they came back from a 3-1 to win that series

[@joselibran8163]

Marcellus wouldn’t accept the “L” in this debate lmao good stuff fellas

[@TrunxKraft3000]

Bruh! Because he got TORCHED 😂😂

[@antmyrick2063]

And that man went to a Ivy League school smh!!

[@TrunxKraft3000]

@@antmyrick2063 Ivy League school doesn’t make him perfect though lol.

[@sandwich6208]

Marcellus has been taking an L on the nets for weeks and his arguments are getting worse

[@jerelmerrill7100]

For real, tho lol

[@ChroniclerOfJudah]

Durants wasn’t the driving force of the team, Durant was the ultimate version of what Harrison Barnes was…people make all these excuses as to why the warriors lost when the real reason was from game 5, 6, 7 on the Cavs let Barnes shoot to his hearts content and he went 5-32 in those final games…now replace those shots with Durant shooting them and that’s how you tilt a series that went down to an all time great block, shot and close out FTs into 2 straight years of dominance from the warriors, teams focused on suppressing Curry over Durant which led to Durants offensive explosion, it was the best situation for him because that team and organization covered up all his weaknesses…GSW Durant was the closest thing to a flawless player there was other than 96-98 Jordan. Still to this day I am in dismay as to why Durant fans fail to acknowledge this seemingly apparent point…it seems like they want to believe Kevin Durant is something he isn’t and that’s also what’s fueling this backlash

[@kennydyer3034]

Ima say it…I feel like they slight Curry because of the number he did on Lebrons finals record. I love both legends🙌🏾

[@Tell-ys6xd]

I disagree curry has no fmvp good team player he did nun to bron finals record the Warriors did

[@snarf0596]

Curry wasnt even the best play on the floor in those finals. They gave a FMVP to iggy over him lol

[@johnmonster1001]

Nawl he feeling them asterisks by his name imagine warriors winning them finals without kd, we would be debating lebron and curry

[@mikewilliams9069]

idiottt

[@Brantley_ZA]

@@Tell-ys6xd Curry deserved 2015 & 2018 fMVP.

[@vastralorde]

as chris brousard said, any other superstar can join that 2016 golden state team, and still win a championship. that golden state is already champion, they already have a system. already a contender. KD left because he wants his own team. coz he said no matter what, gsw will still be stephs team. and so far, failing miserably leading his own team.

[@fatigh6711]

Steph disrespect is outta hands,,, shameful

[@manfromwuhan5876]

Lebron been at the Lakers 4 years. Got to the playoffs twice swept the West and won a ring in year 2. In that timespan he won an assist title and became the NBAs top two scoring leader at just 37 yrs of age while also surpassing Karl Malone. KD been at the Nets 3 years year one missed the playoffs year 2 got humbled by Giannis with a big 3 then got swept in round 1 by the Celtics and didnt win one single game in the postseason

[@joelgriffith1654]

With what big 3? Harden had a hamstring injury in game 5,6,7 after missing the first 4 and kyrie got injured in game 3

[@Messigoat1033]

@@joelgriffith1654 AD got injured in game 3 up 2-1 last season. I never heard any excuse for lebron? The fact of the matter is Lebrun won and KD hasn’t reached conference finals

[@oguzer7]

Lebron missed playoffs 2, got bounced in the first round and got a mickey mouse bubble ring gifted to him

[@luckilew]

bubble champion when nobody wanted to play

[@bigboner23]

@@luckilew who didn’t want to play? All these lame excuses for mentally weak players

[@kennydyer3034]

Context Cel…Steph “make that old” remember that campaign?? Remember that knee injury?? We all seen the man was not himself. Still took a very questionably officiated series not to mention a SUSPENSION

[@myishacausey6199]

When the truth hurts and there nothing left to say! 👏🏾 👏🏾 👏🏾

[@lawrence208]

KD got exposed. KD is not that guy. KD is finding out life isn't so easy when you don't have Steph and Klay on the wings keeping the defense honest. No Draymond watching his back making him look like a better defender than he really was. Welcome to the world of half court traps and triple teams--what "real superstars" have to face on a nightly basis. KD got the easy ones out of the way in Golden State, but he has to win one without Steph Klay and Dray if he ever wants to validate those first two.

[@FreezyEveryday]

Facts

[@RustyShackleford997]

Last year GS missed the playoffs and the Nets were a hair from making the conference finals…

[@forzaacmilan36]

KD literally made conference finals 4 times and made the finals as a thunder. Just last year he was a shoe size away from sending the bucks packing by himself

[@lawrence208]

@@RustyShackleford997 No Klay and they were still deciding whether or not they wanted to keep wiggins. besides, gsw already proved they can win without kd. kd still has to do the same.

[@rafaelguasp1141]

If kd got exposed what did lebron get?

[@irmulc]

Cel, I don’t agree with you on this one. The way they formed this team and all the issues they had, then the fact that they got swept hurts.

[@demask8894]

I can’t say that I know enough about the high level details of pro ball so I could be wrong but wasn’t KD able to do what he did in Golden State because of how teams defend Steph?

[@youraverage90sguys7]

yes, ty lue as head coach for cavs even said so

[@Jarel_317]

Wiley turn to Skip Bayless about KD

[@jeffjames1869]

When and where you win or lose matters❗️

[@kgar5]

You can use the excuse the Kyrie and Love was not there because they were there the next year and they was down 3-1 where none of the games was close, all of them were blowouts and then something changed (Defense) Bogut got hurt did not play last 3 games, Iguodala back was hurt not as effective on LeBron, Draymond suspended, the defense changed. GSW should have won 4 straight.

[@DwayneTheFoolosopher]

They can't tell that part. It'll poke holes in "the warriors couldn't win without him" argument.

[@Messigoat1033]

KD was a luxury not a necessity. The warriors wouldn’t win those 2 rings without him and he was never gone make the finals without them. However he needed them more than they needed him cuz they already made 2 finals and win a ring before him and we seeing how they look now they healthy. That 73-9 team was already great they jus needed another great player to replace Harrison Barnes

[@3rdCoastAlliance]

Golden State acquiring KD was just a way to make sure they didn't have to play against him. I agree that they didn't really need him.

[@angellovesjazz]

Even the 73 win season. I think they just ran out of gas.

[@RamaSivamani]

@@3rdCoastAlliance Actually I think it was injury insurance. Steph Curry the year before the got KD was hampered in the finals from a nagging injury. He was a step slower then he should have been. This is not to take any credit away from the Cavs for coming back from down 3-1 and winning that title because they locked in, focused and played great the last three games to do what they had to to get that win. Adding KD meant if Steph or Klay goes through a stretch where they are injured or need some rest then they can get it without it greatly sacrificing the team's chances of success.

[@sportschool3537]

@@angellovesjazz they lost because of injuries... the media just hide that fact cause it would collapse the "miracle comeback" narrative that they built for Lebron... Steph played 8 games in a row on a very bad ankle he injured against OKC, Iggy played on a bad knee and Bogut was completely out injured in the last 2 games where the Cavs made their "epic comeback"... they literally beat half the team of the Warriors... if Warriors were healthy the Cavs didn't have a prayer... that team went 73-9 for a reason ffs...

[@jsmooth8655]

@@sportschool3537 it goes both ways though cause the year before is a completely different series if you have a healthy Kylie and Love. Both teams fully healthy GSW “should” have won each matchup but without KD I think they both win 2 between 15-18

[@clemz9013]

I could say a lot, but Willey will be choking on his hate for Steph Curry when Curry wins chips 4 and 5 in the next few years.

[@youngsa942]

Yea sure hahahahaahahah

[@owtkvst]

I don’t see Curry doing that but I definitely don’t get the hate for Curry over KD

[@jml5100]

Acho: "facts and history" Wiley: "I don't know why you don't like kevin durant" There was an antagonist character in the show "A Pup Named Scooby-Doo" named Red Herring. Perhaps that character was based off Wiley. Acho destroyed him in this argument and seems to do that quite regularly now.

[@jazzymars30]

I do agree sir

[@SOLO4223ful]

They never gone talk about how GOOD the Celtics was 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@biggz48aperry54]

That’s not the topic of discussion. The Nets underperformed and played poorly relative to their talent. Yes the Celtics are good, but the Nets were way better than a first round sweep. That’s the point!

[@TheMaddBlackMann]

That Made man argument was a classic beat down

[@armaniax1120]

These Steph haters act like he’s the only superstar to win against an injured team lol

[@jrsmith1998]

Real sports content with real arguments. No characters. No gimmicks. The best debate duo right here.

[@Brantley_ZA]

There's actually only one person making sense here and it's not Cell.

[@200800701]

He is comparing Michael Jordan 38 years old after been out of the league for 3 years to KD 33 years old playing with Kyrie, man lol

[@MrNathan1575]

Amazes me these guys keep missing the most important part. It was the “how” it happened. Durant got shut down completely. Even his so called better last game was horrendous shooting & efficiency. A 1st round exit playing at that level is the biggest mark. Celtics were clearly the better team but if you are a superstar you need to play as one. That will affect his legacy the most. But there’s always next year to forget this one lol

[@OscarUnrated]

It also depends on the Celtics this year. If they slow down Giannis, lock up some other stars and go to the finals or win the chip this loss will be looked at less harshly. If they lose to the Bucks next round then it looks worse for the Nets

[@liamdoesdis2376]

Spot on. It’s all about the how and this will probably go down as the biggest superstar meltdown since Lebron in the 2011 when the dust settles and rightly so Lebron bounced back and won the championship the very next year. Let’s see what mr thin skinned KD does next year

[@MrNathan1575]

@@OscarUnrated I think Celtics vs milawaukee is the east conference finals personally. Without Middleton I don’t think they can survive though. I still think Boston will go to the finals. Will be interesting to see if they can stop Giannis I agree. Historically it’s Middleton that does the most damage against Celtics though

[@OscarUnrated]

@@MrNathan1575 Yeah I think it'll be warriors vs celtics finals

[@JJ-zy3zv]

Kobe or Lebron would have never laid down like KD did. He’s not built like the all time greats, he’s weak

[@dad2569]

Once again, a horrendous take by Wiley

[@ambadale]

Lately, I find myself skipping past Wiley’s pablum, particularly regarding KD. We come for the intelligent repartee but Marcellus seems to feel that being a snarling contrarian is the upper hand, nah, dog, that ain’t gonna fly. Get real, Cell. KD and Kyrie are never winning another chip. They simply have no fire left in the belly

[@NotebookLives]

Leave it to Michael Jordan stans and they’ll have you believing he only played 6 years and the other 9 years were a myth. Three first-round exits, a second-round exit, and two conference-finals exits. Let’s keep pretending that even the greatest players in the league never had low moments, though…

[@jerrellwinder6453]

If KD saved Curry. Why can't he do it his self without Curry?

[@Capb25]

That’s the question that never gets answered.

[@ohsosantana93]

Marcellus is reaching and Acho is teaching.

[@jsmooth4116]

Acho made man segment was on point

[@carolyn4520]

Just to add to what Acho said, “it’s also about what you do afterwards.” So, how will KD do going forward…🏀🙏🏼✌🏼

[@anthonyharris5121]

Facts I think K.D is top 5 in the nba right now and his legacy is still being chizzled but by the end he should be inside the top ten greatest of all time

[@MicMucique2]

Did this dude say he outscored Stephan Curry in the finals by two points. Two points????

[@duncancarter7314]

I don't even care about a player or team getting swept. As a kid I might have taunted my friends if they're favorite team lost or got swept. But I have never looked at that toward a players legacy.

[@gerrin1530]

Great point Acho, context absolutely matters, KD got swept still in his prime with another star besides him. Lebron in Brooklyn at 33 with Kyrie besides him doesn’t get swept

[@rogerswanigan6378]

Keep in mind when Golden State warriors lost to the Cleveland cavaliers in 2016 Draymond Green did not get to play one of those games because he was suspended golden state was in charge before that happened

[@kgar5]

You are correct, Kyrie and Love were there the next year and they was down 3-1 where none of the games was close, all of them were blowouts and then something changed (Defense) Bogut got hurt did not play last 3 games, Iguodala back was hurt not as effective on LeBron, Draymond suspended, the defense changed. GSW should have won 4 straight.

[@bishopbad373]

@@kgar5 well taking in 2015 LBJ won 2 games without kyrie Irving and Kevin love, I can't see GSW winning 4 straight! Plus Draymond played games 6-7 so they had numerous games to win a game 🤡🤣 if kyrie Irving and Kevin love played 2015 clv would've won!! You people love to point out these so called Injuries for GSW in 2016, but fail to mention kyrie Irving and Kevin love didn't play in 2015, GSW 3 superstars ( Steph, Klay, Draymond) played games 6-7 and they choked! Clv 3 superstars didn't finish the series

[@bishopbad373]

@@kgar5 ask yourself if GSW beat LBJ without kyrie Irving and Kevin love in 6, what makes you think a fully complete clv vs a fully complete GSW , GSW can win 4 straight games! Bro just delete your account after that comment 🤡🤣🤡

[@anthonyraye5831]

Acho is just a great analyst …. Always puts things into real life perspective

[@angellovesjazz]

GS starting 4 we're All Stars KD could've been replaced with any other All Star and GS would've won those chips. 🤣

[@hny2396]

😂 no they wouldn’t that’s why they ran and got KD

[@challiray]

didn't even need another all star. If Harrison Barnes of today was on that 2016 team the Warriors would have won.

[@challiray]

@@hny2396 KD was a free agent who chose the best organization in basketball because he knew he wouldn't ever win a ring if he didn't win one there. If you think anything else it's because you're either blind or dumb.

[@alexescutia4805]

@@hny2396 you put any other all star on those warrior teams they winning another 1-2 titles bruh

[@Milehigh_]

@@hny2396 Nah they would if Paul George or Carmelo was in Golden State instead of KD warriors would win anyway they wasn't available in 2016

[@TMartins379]

I have to say I really enjoy you two guys eloquently debating and counteracting each other without hollering like that motor mouth over at ESPN. Good job man.

[@tomf.9732]

Wiley has the worst takes. He knows deep down those GS rings look fraudulent. He did the same thing with his clippers last year. He gasses these players/teams and when they drop the ball in grand fashion he refuses to hold them to the same standard as the best player in the world. I swear he lacks so much self awareness. Stop with the excuses. He's not top 10. Like he's so confident in his take. If that's the case KD might as well retire now to solidify his "legacy" without diluting because he's not getting another chip. Not with the nets and Kyrie Irving. How do they pay these analysts for these takes.

[@Atlantafan21]

That’s the problem with Wiley. He usually has decent NBA takes but his homerism gets him when he talks about the Nets, KD, clippers, and Lebron,

[@SuperAlexis352]

GSW vs OKC 2016 Steph: 62-140 FGM-FGA 28 ppg .416% 3pt % KD: 71-168 FGM-FGA 30 ppg .286 3pt % Head to head.. Westbrook averaged more points then klay, ibaka averaged more points then Draymond..KD Made 9 more shots than steph but took 28 more shots while averaging 2 more points can argue his teammates outplayed their other star players he nearly missed 100 shots in a series.. but Wiley brags that KD shot a higher 3pt % with the warriors than steph as if steph isn’t being hounded every series even with KD on the roster.. why didn’t KD shoot a higher percentage without joining the best team he had the keys in OKC right but Russ gets all the blame.. he deserves some blame but KD Gets a pass everywhere he goes it’s ridiculous

[@furikakez]

MJ was swept by Bird's Celtics twice. But it was while averaging 43.7 PPG with FG 50.5% (1986) in his second year when the Celtics won the championship. And 35.7PPG with FG 41.7%(1987) and the Celtics lost in the finals against Magic's Lakers. Definitely not the same story. Not just when and where, but how. EDIT : It wasn't his 1st year, but his 2nd year.

[@Brian-fk8zr]

mj got drafted in 1984 you liar. he wasn't a rookie

[@furikakez]

​@@Brian-fk8zr I did made a mistake, I mixed the years and he was a sophomore, but the point stands.

[@bluewave3417]

Marcellus misses the fact that KD was able to succeed with the Warriors because of Steph. In those Finals match ups withe Cavs they doubled Steph way more than KD. Plus Steph’s effectiveness off ball allowed KD to play his game.

[@jasonk7003]

KD is not a top 10 player Wiley, In order to be top 10 you have to have at least 3 championships and in KD's case he really needs 4 bc he bus rode to his first 2. All the 10 best players of all time have at least 3 so KD has to get at least 1 more chip before he could even be considered. top 10: 1. MJ 6 rings 2. Lebron 4 rings 3. Kareem 6 rings 4. Magic 5 rings 5. Kobe 5 rings 6. Russell 11 rings 7. Duncan 5 rings 8. Bird 3 rings 9. Shaq 4 rings 10. Steph 3 rings 11. Wilt 2 rings 12. Hakeem 2 rings 13. Oscar 1 ring 14. KD 2 rings Steph and Bird have 3 chips, Lebron and Shaq have 4 chips. Everybody else has at least 5, thats why its such a high bar to get into the top 10 players of all time

[@terrancestokes7315]

Bill and Steph over KD😂😂😂😂. Oscar too Jesus

[@turokken]

I think the easiest way to answer this question is: If KD pulls his career averages next year, and the Nets pull a #3 Seed, do you still have the same confidence in KD to get his team to the promise land after this year?

[@brandonb.5304]

I love how Wiley ALWAYS ignores that KD and that OKC team lost to Steph and the Warriors prior to the Warriors giving up a 3-1 lead to Lebron in the Finals. That just defeats his entire argument since KD's OKC team couldn't get past the GS team that lost to Cleveland. So what exactly is his point? He never seems to have one except to constantly (like Skip Bayless) try to use that Finals to tarnish Curry's legacy. Yet they without fail never mention that KD lost to Steph in the round before.

[@peezydabeatmonster8112]

lol kd extra protected bc the facts expose he couldn't win games even in gs without curry on the floor being doubled

[@sylvio1980]

KD will never admit it, but he knows his pride got in a way of him staying with the Warriors and building a dynasty for the ages. He traded great ownership, great team, great coach for Irving, Simmons, just so he could say he won a ring on his own. Which he most likely won’t.

[@jjordan6066]

Bingo.

[@MrMancreatedgod]

Why do you fault the man for that? He never should've joined the GSWs. Truth seems to be he's delusional about just how good he is. Leaving the GSWs was a necessary move for anyone with a shred of integrity and hope to be included in the 🐐 debate.

[@40yearoldman]

If Shaq admitted that's why he left Orlando, eventually KD will.

[@aruiztech]

These two have the rhythm of a great Jazz band. Love it!

[@nathanieldurgasingh6700]

Acho won this one!

[@mylaughingeffect3459]

Acho was on point. He just didn’t explain that the way of KD losing hurts his legacy more than the sweep..People always bring up Bron 2011 still and that was almost 11 years ago. Why not bc he lost 4-2, but how he played. People don’t use context in that he wasn’t a fully developed player with a great offensive package. He wasn’t even a champion like KD yet and he still got heat. KD seen the mountaintop twice and this happen. Only way to look at him the same as b4 is to see how he bounces back.

[@ValiantVisions314]

I was waiting to see if someone would finally explain it this way. I was feeling the same thing. Dude is already a champion. He played this series looking like a rookie. Celtics played great defense. KD taking 11 shots all game though. That was just ridiculous. KD was clearly rattled by this series. Celtics took him completely out of his game. That is the part that never should have happened.

[@taleweaver34]

Swept in 1st round. How can he not see how big a diff that is from being swept in other rounds. For a team that was pegged to be in the finals at the least.

[@lepidoptery]

it doesn't even really help if celtics are the champs in the end unless they go 4-0 or 4-1 for all the rest of their series

[@ralphthompson355]

When Marcellus said it won't have an impact on KD's legacy I laughed out loud! Like, c'mon bruh.

[@JoelGarcia-lu3tw]

KD is NOT a top 15 player of all time, Steph is.

[@terrancestokes7315]

A joke

[@AMansWorldPodcast]

Marcellus lost badly today

[@BigZoe99]

He didn't just get swept like those former greats, BUT he was absolutely horrendous in this series. MJ was swept his 2nd and 3rd year but go look at his numbers and the opponent he was facing. Smfh Wiley gotta stop with this nonsense, KD ain't a top 10 player or close tbh. I can name 15 better players overall than KD with better careers. No particular order: 1. MJ 2. Lebron 3.magic 4.kareem 5. Wilt 6. Bird 7.duncan 8. Kobe 9.shaq 10. Olajuwon 11. Russell 12 Isiah Thomas 13.steph curry 14. Big O 15. Dirk. KD in the 15-20 range at best

[@bcashworld7971]

Yep. Context matters.

[@bcashworld7971]

Mostly agree with your top, but Bill Russell falling outside of the 10 is wild.

[@robertanazco1264]

@@bcashworld7971 Who would you take out of the top 10?

[@JonathanRodriguez-hw3iy]

take lebron out of there he is another durant who cant lead a team without 2 all stars with him

[@alexescutia4805]

@@JonathanRodriguez-hw3iy what two all stars did lebron have 2020? Let me guess “bubble ring”

[@FactsNReason]

Acho has this one cell - love you guys!!

[@OhGeeGanksta]

Nah, Durant can’t be in the GOAT discussion anymore.

[@2dmartin]

He never was and never will be

[@akeemMagic01]

Steph was coming off injury also. And don't forget lebron record against kd before GS. Domination they needed each other.

[@FenUpMusic]

who needs who right now

[@leo730kam1]

Not 1 segment was focused on the winning team for this whole series. Be non bias for at least 1 show. Mix it up guys.

[@Jkeebz]

The sweep didn't affect his legacy. It definitely shined a light on how leaving gsw was the dumbest move alltime. Just like joining gsw was the biggest coattail riding move of alltime.

[@shhh_nola0309]

It definitely has made another black mark on his legacy. Outside of his controversial GS years, he's achieved nothing in terms of appearances and rings that isn't historically bad; ie: losing a 3-1 lead in the Finals and getting swept by a young Boston team in the first round when his own team was at near-full health. The fact that KD has proven time and time again that he can't win a ring on his own, nor get close to winning a ring without HOFers around him (or future HOFers like Harden and Westbrook back in OKC) is a constant reminder that he doesn't have much of a legacy other than being one of the most versatile scorers in NBA history. That's all he's got.

[@G120-j6z]

You guys talk about sports in a fun way. You can argue sports without the toxic condescension that some talkers (SAS) spew on everyone around them. Thanks for making sports talking interesting and fun again. 👍👍✌️

[@mac_94]

Difference was jordan put up 63 when losing

[@majorrussell6776]

Who ever had the idea to trade for Harden is the blame! If they kept Allen and Lavert they would’ve beat Boston!

[@bosslady83]

It’s bad because he didn’t play well and Kyrie had a good game one and the role players did what they could and had he played just a little better they could of actually won.

[@daboy6176]

" Jason Tatum, Jalen Brown. They might have next." Finally some love for my guys!

[@mneno1218]

Can’t say curry didn’t do anything after Durant Shid Klay got a major injury the same series as kd and missed all of next year. Not to mention curry got hurt the next year as well so stop it they were champs without him.

[@chrisrains6464]

Jordan got swept in the first round in 86 and 87 to the Boston Celtics who had 5 Hall of Famers on their roster in, Bird, McHale, Parish, D.J and Walton. What's worse than being swept though is not even making the playoffs. Jordan only missed the playoffs twice when he was Washington and he finished the seasons at the ages of 39 and 40. Lebron has missed the playoffs 4 times and is 37.

[@benji7332]

Steph "needed" Durant???? They won 73 wins without him!!! They were up 3-1 before Draymond got suspended! Terrible take smfh

[@PRich-ph9ue]

Pretty solid takes from both but i agree with Acho more...I might have to start tuning in to this show

[@JOHN-zl5kw]

This hurts his legacy but ONLY a little if he wins a chip on this team in 3 years it will be minor. If he never wins a chip then this will be Remembered more than the 2 chips he won

[@Youngmoneycashmoney]

No it wont

[@Itsjustlikemagic]

Marcellus hit the nail right on the head. Steph needed injuries to multiple playoff teams to win his 1 title without KD. If KD didn’t join GS, the Spurs would’ve ruled the West for years to come as Kawhi was best player in the west at the time. People often forget that before Kawhi’s injury caused by Zaza, the Spurs were dominating the Warriors leading by 20+ points in game 1 of the playoffs against a warriors team that had KD. Without KD and the Kawhi injury, the Spurs would’ve won that series and many other rematches. Remember Kawhi got his revenge on Steph in the 2019 NBA finals when he completely shut down steph all series leading to another championship for Kawhi.

[@ryandavis6290]

You’re kidding me right

[@peezydabeatmonster8112]

kawhi had a superteam in 2019 kawhi(all star), Lowry(all star) pascal first time all star , ibaka, gasol, danny green, vanfleet, vs basically curry😂😂😂 lol kawhi so overated

[@trinepimentel9693]

Swept in his prime!

[@cozyay3768]

See this is where I gotta disagree he’s not been in his prime since 2017

[@boonebeasley9622]

@@cozyay3768 so he been the best player so called alll this time and he past his prime now

[@coreythompsonTheOneandOnly]

Acho is the like a dragon slayer the way he attacks with his facts, you continue to do well and excell acho.

[@akeemMagic01]

I remember yall saying he was better than Lebron. 🤣

[@FahmeedRokon]

10:24 Killed me 😂😂😂😂

[@mrj5695]

KD and kyrie got exposed as front runners

[@gisellebailey1379]

Will dislikes Steph because GSWS kept beating his Clippers. I can't take him seriously. He keeps praising KD for joing GSW to downplay GSW for what they did do before KD got there🤫🤥

[@leetraviusmckay2919]

If the Warriors win another championship without KD, his two rings mean nothing

[@jctslice]

They never meant anything anyway. Take any of the top10 players at that time in the nba and put them on gsw. They would STILL get to the finals if not WIN it. He proved ZERO going to gsw. It’s like a great student going to harvard, raising their school GPA by 0.05-0.1 grade points & trying to take credit for doing that and graduating 😂😂

[@Jay3rd313]

Nah, they definitely count. He was the reason they won. He does fall on my list of all time greats though if Steph does it again without him.

[@leopersmithjr7137]

dude how do you sound , bron left 2 teams to group up with super teams so bron chips dont mean anything either right

[@lawrence208]

KD got the easy ones out of the way first. He still has to win another ring if he wants to validate the rings he won in gsw.

[@dparks2856]

@@leopersmithjr7137 Bron has won without whoever you say he teamed up with is the difference