Wiley & Acho discuss whether race is a factor in the evaluation of QBs | NFL | SPEAK FOR YOURSELF

[@SpeakOnFS1]

Does race still remain a factor in the evaluation of quarterbacks in the NFL?

[@matthewcooper412]

How can he say no.he full of it for real

[@9doggie12]

Lamar Jackson being told to switch to wide receiver yes lol

[@texasforever8611]

@@9doggie12 tim Tebow was told the same thing 🤷‍♂️

[@texasforever8611]

No 👎 dwayne haskins got a second chance if the league was rasict they'd find any reason to never give him a second opportunity.

[@9doggie12]

@@texasforever8611 because he could not throw lol he literally has an awkward motion that’s took 3 times as long as a regular QB and was very inaccurate

[@Niko-br9ql]

5:48 "when black person has an issue with another black person its just hate, if a white dude has an issue with a black person it's automatically racism." As a white dude myself I cannot state how many times I've gone to criticize a black man but in the back of my mind consciously think about the right way to do it because I don't want to sound racist.

[@marcusbelanger3489]

Facts. I feel like I’m walking on eggshells constantly

[@HomerunsamSOSA]

All in how u speak yall I respect ur take tho

[@matthewgarvey7600]

This is a grown man discussion. Great takes as always.

[@nateguerra319]

Yup these dudes come ready, quickly became my favorite sports talk show

[@matthewgarvey7600]

@@nateguerra319 same here, they actually debate and discuss. Which is significantly better than the Skip/Shannon or Stephen/Max normal of just disagreeing to disagree and then calling the other wrong, dissing, etc.

[@nateguerra319]

@@matthewgarvey7600 I like skip and Shannon because they are entertaining but when I want to hear some good debate syf is the best

[@mikeconley6331]

Yeah..I literally want to say that on every video....they bring 2 sided to the argument but not arguing just for the sake of arguing..they both always make great points

[@nateguerra319]

@America Hard did you watch both sides of the discussion or did you just see the title and assume?

[@Rider997]

Marcellos, has it right. We as people look for racism. When there might not be any racism at all.

[@derrickluv4002]

Naw, bull 💩 it's a factor no doubt.

[@dertythegrower]

It is proven all over the internet by black non-biden voters for years (non biden, not trump but non-biden) You all are called 'fake woke' Look up Anthony Brian Logan, or Officer Tatum, and especially Candace Owens... she educates on how you all got played by media manipulation and trendy code words from the 'fake woke' companies

[@dertythegrower]

@@derrickluv4002 Nah, youre fakewoke

[@TheOpulentmale]

“Might not be”

[@HomerunsamSOSA]

@@TheOpulentmale exactly answered his own statement

[@DallasTheRhyno]

Great Talk! Both of you guys are always so consistently able to represent opposing takes intelligently while always being reasonable and logical.

[@clementdecker9725]

With so much stupidity in the race dialogue, these guys are a breath of fresh air

[@robertk2007]

Is that because they agree with you?

[@soda8736]

Yes better than Shannon or Stephen a .. Thier too emotional

[@lyk-yt9630]

@@soda8736 maybe it’s because it effects them on a day to day basis

[@MrAdmvp]

Haha Shannon Sharpe just does it for the camera’s

[@clementdecker9725]

@@lyk-yt9630 Why would it affect them more than these guys?

[@jontubine3910]

“Stop trying to stand in their shoes and start standing on their shoulders” That is an all-time great quote. Is that an original Wileyism?

[@otn9225]

What I appreciate the most about these 2 is that these types of convos are always nuanced

[@jedipatriot3256]

Although I disagree with Acho in politics, this conversation is so refreshing. Both men, though they disagree handle themselves respectfully and intelligently. This is what brings us together. Respectful debate and clear dialogue. Beautiful. Thank you both, gentleman.

[@9doggie12]

The way y’all talk about Lamar the answer is yes

[@markbelin9869]

Exactly

[@17thN.O]

Completely agree.

[@rubinturner8233]

No. Because black folks can't look at the facts with Lamar. Is he an MVP? Yeah he was. But...in regard to his passing ability he needs to improve! Flat out. But does he also need help? Yeah! Now...when we mention he needs to be looked at honestly not well he threw 36 TDs in his MVP season ok....but what about now?

[@9doggie12]

@@rubinturner8233 look up Lamar contract extension and people say it needs to special structured because of injury concern but won’t say that about Josh Allen who has actually missed games due to injury while lama has never missed a start

[@rubinturner8233]

@@9doggie12 bro, haven't we just seen players like Dak who ended their whole season after a freak injury where he shatters his ankle totally? A franchise is now on the hook for that salary against their cap where their season needs to continue and they were fortunate to have the backup they did. He plays and gets concussed. First game. I can't be mad at a team who looks at Lamar and says we love this guy but he's a potential QB who could end his season on an ACL tear or being concussed or anything freakish as well as his freakish abilities. Cam Newton also had to battle through that where he was beloved and STILL cut. Why? Because he couldn't play through the shoulder or foot issues. Injuries he sustained as a "running" QB. He knew that he might get hurt. But many believed oh Cam is husky and super tough. That won't happen to him. We now say the same thing about Lamar. Bronny who dad NEVER suffered any type of serious knee or leg injury now has a torn meniscus at 16-17. Every school in the country wants to recruit him. Now what will they say?

[@bh2980]

I feel like my IQ jumps 10 points every time I listen to these guys. Along with my vocabulary! 😂

[@MarkelXL]

The coverage of Lamar and Josh Allen are the perfect example for this conversation. Both great young talents with comparable skill sets that entered the league at the same time. The media is constantly questioning Lamar’s throwing ability yet he has 68 passing TDs to Allens 67, 18 INTS to Allens 31, and a passer rating of 102.6 to Allens 90.4. Those are just facts. Lamar wins the MVP with 36 passing TDs and no legitimate WR #1, still questioned as a franchise QB. Josh Allen has his breakout year this past season, is an MVP CANDIDATE, and has an All-Pro WR to target and all of sudden he’s top 5. I like both of these guys but there’s clearly a huge difference in the EVALUATION of these players and the way they’re covered by the media.

[@tycobb8621]

Lamar gets shade because he’s been a bust in the playoffs. Just got his first win this year. Didn’t look amazing in the second round. Pundits talk about his passing because he’s a run first QB. Has nothing to do with his race. We’ve become race obsessed in this country and it’s not healthy.

[@justinbellamy1399]

Thank you 🙏🏾

[@AntwonDorsetti]

@@tycobb8621 guess u blind

[@RizeUp8083]

I’d say other than asking him to switch positions his rookie year which they do for a lot of players high and Low profile I don’t think the criticism is too off base it’s all built of what we see on the field

[@tycobb8621]

@@AntwonDorsetti I’m blind because I don’t view everything through the lens of race? I suppose you see what you want to see.

[@almondshackleford715]

We need more people like Wiley on sports shows.

[@HomerunsamSOSA]

Why

[@reginaldinoenchillada3513]

One day I hope my kids' kids are well off enough to see this situation like how Wiley says he does instead of the way my life has conditioned me to feel.

[@tyrannosaurus696]

They both went to private high school, had their college tuition paid for them and went on to earn millions in the NFL. Wiley's experience is nothing like the experience of the majority of minority people in the US.

[@reginaldinoenchillada3513]

There's rich ppl, and then the rest of us r just trying to survive.

[@spaceghost4628]

@@tyrannosaurus696 yea that’s the ugly truth. To no fault of his own.. black athletes, especially stars... grow up completely different lol my brother got drafted to the nba and wound up out of the league due to injury 2 years later but even him.. someone that made it to the league for 2 years that nobody knew grew up completely different than I did and we were in the same house

[@godisgood3805]

The answer to that question is yes. Marcellus Wiley, you work so hard to dispute obvious fact. While all QBs coming out of college has to go through rigorous evals before and after draft, those black QBs that are properly compensated have to go through much more and if you can't see that then I don't see how you are even given a platform like SFY. All the black QBs in the NFL today were drafted later than their games show and those coming out of college today are still being looked at with the same biased process (Justin Fields).

[@edwardcoit9748]

No. Cam Newton and Kyler Murray went first over all. And notice how different they are.

[@soda8736]

@@edwardcoit9748 Exactly.. Its been numerous black number 1 picks or high pics. And Aaron Rogers was skip over and he's not black..

[@dabankopen156]

Wiley hating point was a jem though

[@BhBraaq]

Wiley is wise af

[@werm1818]

That segment was gangsta ! Straight up spitting knowledge back and forth ! 🗣🔥 Arguably the best 1-2 punch in the game .

[@jefecaseclosed7498]

Lol to answer the question “whats the difference between Philip rivers and jameis winston...” 😂😂😂

[@rubinturner8233]

We had Eric Couch. We had Kordell Stewart. We had Tim Tebow. All were not seen as pocket passing QBs. We had Johnny Manziel won a Heisman trophy! But we didn't see him as a pocket passer either. Hines Ward actually made the switch. So did Edelman. So did Anquon Boldin. We look at Christian Mccaffrey as sneaky athletic because he plays normally a position black men are assumed to play. Jason Sehorn as a corner and John Lynch as secondary players.

[@worstcaseofcrabsever5510]

There are differences in the physical attributes of each race. Asians have better vision. Black guys have stronger legs. White dudes have better upper body strength. These differences are only slight, and of coarse they aren't universal. But it does factor in to why some races have advantages for certain football positions in my opinion.

[@jordanjames3306]

I'll always say this about these two guys, even if you agree or disagree with them you are still willing to listen to their points and say " I don't agree / I agree but I get your point too " bravo gentlemen 👏.

[@vincentmedley5091]

Trevor Lawrence is considered a better prospect than Deshaun, when he isn't a better qb.

[@dupreehundo3070]

Deshaun way better then Trevor Lawrence he actually balled in the big games

[@markosekulic119]

How can you know how good any qb is good when he didnt even played 1 game or even been drafted yet? And you have Deshaun that played like 4,5 season.

[@moneyyyyy9642]

I agree we shouldn’t keep drowning in history, but we can’t act like everything is just so utopian and perfect enough to stop discussing how race affects people.

[@mizal321]

I agree with not drowning in history but racism still exists today and still affects everyday life

[@christopher9320]

These two are the best debaters on TV. Even if you don’t agree with their opinion they always bring substance to their opinions.

[@elijahgonzalez6225]

They both heavily prepared compared to every other show out there it makes it that much better that they actually know what they’re talking about

[@jvtherrien]

Agreed, these two are fantastic. I love listening to these two

[@vitaliysmirnov4229]

Great take, Marcellus...

[@9doggie12]

Race isn’t the factor it’s the inconsistency. You can criticize Lamar but you have to criticize all players with his style of play like josh alllen who get banged up all the time

[@rubinturner8233]

I can agree. It's the inconsistency. And how players are assessed as races at different decisions. Just like those African Americans as potential owners and executives.

[@bryb2644]

Race is a factor in most things. Many refuse to admit this.

[@jrthehunter4309]

15:25 Don't bring up how Cam gets criticized as immature or egotistical ,and act like Baker isn't criticized the same way, if not WORSE

[@travistoole8238]

Baker and Cam don’t belong in same sentence EVeR!

[@Disastrousmedia]

@@travistoole8238 why not? That's why this topic exists. Y'all always want to talk about status as fans and not the real situation.

[@dannyed42]

It’s not the same. Baker was criticized when he was losing. But when he is winning everyone says ooh he’s playing with a chip on his shoulder. Also baker has done things that were disrespectful not immature. But the year Cam went to the Super Bowl and won mvp the story line was Cams antics will be the downfall of the panthers

[@gmfbishop5794]

@@dannyed42 turned out to be Mike Remmers 🤷🏾‍♂️😂😭

[@lynza3566]

@@dannyed42 Well I also do think people catch on to asshats and cam certainly seemed like one...same with baker...they're egotistical frontrunners but when they're losing they don't handle it well...Jump on the ball cam...but in any case I do think Cam has been humbled and could teach baker a few things

[@p_squaredd8323]

Definitely the best sports debate show. Wish y'all could get Uncle Shay Shay on here.

[@HpArtcraft]

No way. Shannon says some alarming things about white people.

[@soda8736]

Shannon is too emotional..

[@HomerunsamSOSA]

@@HpArtcraft white ppl are alarming sometimes lol

[@donaldphillips8312]

Look at the coaching hires an promotions! Look at how they describe players. Whether they say it or not. Race is a part of it.

[@Daniel-pr2tp]

Buddy stereotypes exist for a reason

[@nicholasburnett9269]

Look at how Sam Darnold is talked about compared to Lamar.

[@jefecaseclosed7498]

Word...great point Matthew stafford vs dak prescott, they throw daks win-lost into his contract discussion everytime

[@jsphblw]

They’re saying Sam Darnold might be traded and Jackson might be getting a huge contract. What’s your point?

[@jsphblw]

@@jefecaseclosed7498 - If Dak wanted Stafford money Dallas would given him his next 2 contracts on the same day. He’s looking to make Mahomes money. He’s a mediocre stat-padder and I don’t blame Dallas for balking at the price tag.

[@OGCxDaizy]

I think at higher levels it isn't as prevalent but at lower levels it is. If your good and your black you will get paid and be a starter however black QB are held to a higher standard and arnt given as many 2nd chances if any as a white QB. With that being said I think acho is correct here. Just because some instances of non racism exist that doesn't mean that racism is gone all together. I don't think it's a driving factor but I think biases do exist still In the sports world.

[@2rad008]

Acho putting Stephen A on blast for his Dwayne Haskins rushing qb take

[@SaxrebelHD]

The way Acho looked when Wiley said no as fast and as confident as he did lol

[@anthonywelford1379]

Wiley with the " if thy black its a hater if thy white its raciest" comment was right on point!!

[@christopher9320]

My opinion of a “Running” QB is a QB that has 5 or more plays design around running plays with no intent to throw. Russell and Steve Young, Rodgers where scrambling with the intent to pass first.

[@Familyman617]

Love how this show has taken off since the "changes" that were made. Pure gold, these 2!

[@anelefelixkunene1154]

Excellent take by Marcellus! Acho is also right about proportional residue, but it's negligible/not worth mentioning. Race isn't negatively affecting quarterbacks these days, this is merely an impression - as with most factors that influence bias.

[@soda8736]

This was an intelligent debate . Better than if Shannon or Stephen A debated, because they talk with too much emotion and not logic on topics like this. That being said, Both sides made good points, but Wiley won this and once again exposed Acho victim mentality..

[@THE1ONE2016]

I couldn't have said it better myself brother. You're on point.

[@NickBusbeeFunkSchoolRadio]

lol I knew that Wiley was going to say "no" before I hit the play arrow!😆

[@highwayhero6930]

Conversations should be awarded

[@moses9647]

Marcellus often brings up the "double standard/reversal of roles" argument but what is always left out is that you can't reverse roles without reversing the history which informs the intrinsic power dynamic. It's a very short sighted and naive way to think through a complex topic like race relations

[@rubinturner8233]

Reversal of roles is not an ignorant way to talk about race. Because we see examples of that EVERY SINGLE DAY in society.

[@moses9647]

If you're gonna reverse roles without reversing history you're intentionally leaving out the most important factor. The history informs the current social dynamic. For example, referring to someone as "boy" doesn't have the same effect regardless of who is saying it to whom. There is a history that informs why that would be inappropriate in certain situations and a non-issue in others.

[@Ekim1740]

does not mean you dont have power, you cant be racist. It just an excuse by some leftist to discriminate people who are against their views in the pretense of history.

[@WillyKillya]

If you're going down that path then you can just say Egyptians are the ultimate racists because they had power and slavery before everyone

[@moses9647]

@@Ekim1740 nope. Anyone can be racist. But to just ignore history and context is equally facetious. Treating people fairly and treating everyone the same are two different things

[@CommandoShepard]

This was fantastic. What a good level headed expansive discussion of the topic. You made a fan for life.

[@UprightCaucasoid]

I literally applauded in my living room for Wiley. Good takes, good discussion, good show.

[@TheBassist450]

You white supremacist

[@UprightCaucasoid]

@@TheBassist450 huh?

[@madboyreadynow28]

Race is a factor in every part of American life so yes.

[@philblack6035]

Who is your daddy ?

[@robertk2007]

In this country race seems to always be a factor in some sense

[@TriggaMaxo_]

We can all thank Mel Kiper Jr for that !

[@deliliankramo7520]

And Todd Mc Shay too..Remember what he said about Trubisky and DW4? Also this year he did it again with Zack Wilson and Justin Fields but SAS called him out on that!!

[@TriggaMaxo_]

@@deliliankramo7520 Agreed and than when they are asked about it they come up with the sorriest reason why or how , it’s like come on its Okay To give a brother his earnings . And honestly I think justin fields is better than all the QB prospects.

[@deliliankramo7520]

@@TriggaMaxo_ yeah Fields is really something.. I knew he was special but that game he had vs Clemson he showed leadership, guts he showed that he was smart and he had what it takes to make it to the NFL.

[@TriggaMaxo_]

@Tall Allen it’s ridiculous

[@soda8736]

Mel Kiper is the "sneaky athletic guy"

[@fredrebz5446]

Tebow nuff said

[@Midwest51344]

Marcellus " I don't never see racism " Wiley

[@AntwonDorsetti]

Dude smart but points are surface

[@Midwest51344]

@@AntwonDorsetti Exactly

[@jaybethatdude]

He'll get his wake up call, they always do.

[@bryb2644]

Don’t forget, they work for fox.

[@legalworks7228]

Wiley checkmated ocho! ocho needs to get educated a lil more... ... ... ...

[@bottomlineoutdoors6187]

The question was about evuation, not compensation.

[@iamking_nell]

Exactly. Those QBs he mentioned are the highly paid because they’re the top at the position. When they were coming out of college how did all the so called experts grade or evaluate those same QBs.

[@Daniel-pr2tp]

@@iamking_nell stereotypes exist for a reason

[@johnnyyork3796]

Whitley and Acho discuss race... Of course they do. They have to talk about it on every show.

[@ASISEEITPODCAST]

Let me guess Marcellus is going on say no 🤦🏾‍♂️😂

[@reginaldinoenchillada3513]

Oooohh!! That's fire.

[@RizeUp8083]

😂 lemme guess the point went over your head?

[@RizeUp8083]

@Mr. Nyce Guy let me guess sheep mentality ? Uninformed?

[@RizeUp8083]

@Mr. Nyce Guy grade school comprehension? What is it?

[@soda8736]

Let me guess what acho is going to say.. yes

[@built2jzlexus496]

I believe there is still some race involved in evaluating QBs but it isn't coming from the majority of the evaluators. It is probably an underlying factor for less than 20% of the evaluators which is why you can still see the black QB thrive in the NFL. Even some of the criticism you see about Lamar from black and white is laced with a bunch of truth. If skin color meant so much Tim Tebow would have had a longer career but at the end of the day it ended up being the play style.

[@jaywillis3150]

Marcellus is on national television claiming anti black racism doesn't exist 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@apsvend]

SABO 1920'S SO TRUE

[@skamuli]

Not at all, he is highlighting the fact that people should not be judged on colour. He is correct that black people cannot act like they are oppressed in 2021 like their grandparents were in the 40s. Black people are the highest paid players in the NFL where is the racism?

[@apsvend]

@@skamuli Where are the black Coaches, Assistant and General Managers. Yes, we have a seat at the table. But, at the kiddie table. We're so far back .We shouldn't be using the words" first black anything".

[@apsvend]

@Cue Truth yes. UTUBE has word monitors. So they'll delete your comments. So instead of saying white you must use" jar of mayonnaise" or mayo. Or SA?BO

[@jaywillis3150]

@@apsvend 🎯,I use cavebabies

[@lavishtalks1708]

Granted it's not as much of a factor as it used to be, but it's still very much a factor. Lamar Jackson criticism, Mitchell Tribusky being drafted over Deshaun Watson & current mock drafts having Justin Fields falling whilst Zac Wilson rises, are all just a few recent examples.

[@rubinturner8233]

Randall Cunningham. Steve Young. Michael Vick. Donovan McNabb. Lamar Jackson. Eric Couch at Nebraska. Those guys were at some point all running QBs. Their whole careers? Not with Randall. Not Steve. Not McNabb, either. Race is definitely still a factor when it comes to executive, coaching and ownership in these major sport leagues. That is a obvious FACT. I DONT care that much about the QB position. We've addressed that verily enough. Most of the starting QBs now are either some form of running QB or are African American. Or both. How about why we have only 1 minority as owner in the NFL? Why is Michael Jordan the only black owner in the NBA?

[@kmoney362]

The way y’all do cam and Lamar makes it hard to say race isn’t a factor imo

[@dennisangjeli9774]

Can gets criticized cuz he’s straight trash. I watched every pats game, he’s not a top 32 qb in the league on god. Lamar just comes up short in the playoffs.

[@RizeUp8083]

Maybe race doesn’t make you immune to fair Criticism on your game

[@shill4925]

@@dennisangjeli9774 he wasn’t always trash. But he’s been getting criticized from day 1. 🤔

[@soda8736]

I think its his style of play. Not because his black.

[@spidercal9812]

@@soda8736 both. Josh Allen and Daniel Jones run...no one cares...

[@georgebutt3631]

Tampa Bay let Steve young go cause they labeled him a runner not a qb

[@nickjames1496]

Isn't he white tho.

[@soda8736]

There is a bias in old school Nfl people about running quaterbacks. Not just race

[@ronromero1216]

Beautiful and smart conversation about race in the NFL and really in life itself. We all need to move forward and leave the past behind us, only learning the lessons from the past. Some people want to live there, but it's evident you both have a healthy perspective. Acho is playing devils advocate to a degree, but he brought up great points to consider. Healthy perspective from both. 👍

[@mopmanfloyd8308]

This is the best debate show in sports media

[@johnathannabors3426]

It is and its so obvious

[@travisdempster4693]

It's not, and that fact is obvious

[@programR3]

Award winning takes. Great job!

[@jjupiter1218]

I like the stand on shoulders not in shoes take

[@soda8736]

Thats going to go over people's head.. That was deep.

[@andrew1ups]

Wiley wow. Props

[@adgee5401]

Not surprised Wiley feels like this. Pay attention to the adjectives used when discussing black qb’s vs white ones.

[@YSBG_]

To add to Acho’s point about there being racism on both sides. When CMAC was coming out of college the scouts were racist asf towards him bc he was a white RB. It was disgusting.

[@dallashanson_]

It’s a difference.

[@YSBG_]

@@dallashanson_ no

[@dallashanson_]

Oh, I wasn’t posing a question.

[@YSBG_]

@@dallashanson_ okay

[@tyrannosaurus696]

The two people debating both went to private high schools and were gifted athletes who had their college tuition paid for them, and went on to gain enough money from playing in the NFL to live in affluence in safe neighbourhoods. I don't think they're the best people to ask about whether race is a factor.

[@gregorycostello6377]

but kapernick is ???????? thats what we've been told and everything you said about these two he had also, just saying

[@HomerunsamSOSA]

@@gregorycostello6377 I agree but what kaep is doing is bringing awareness to OTHER ppls issues not specifically just his

[@HomerunsamSOSA]

A black man is a black man

[@alonzopierce4718]

Yes, and we don't have to go back to see it. Most drafts in the past 5 years will show you that it just might be.

[@xenglor8020]

Uh... Whether mahomes is black or white. He can be consider one of the best.... Cmon dude. These race cards.

[@alonzopierce4718]

@@xenglor8020 You say that now that we've seen him ball out. That question, at least in my mind, pertains to the evaluation process of the draft. Stop with the stupid "race card" phrase. There is no such thing. Racism is real. It doesn't pertain to every situation, but to say "Stop with the Race Card" like it's all just a figment of people's imagination is intellectually dishonest.

[@xenglor8020]

Lol ur a typical racist guy i can tell.... Using the race card for everything... come back after saying that most qbs in the league right now who are being mentioned is black really...

[@alonzopierce4718]

@@xenglor8020 Typical Racist Guy??? What did I say that was racist? Oh, I forgot this is You Tube the home of fake outrage and morons.

[@travisdempster4693]

@@alonzopierce4718 99% of the time it is the "race card" that is the problem. To much projection. Using the "race card" is far more common then the reality.

[@rjtherenegade7743]

Race definitely plays a factor.

[@shawnGlobal]

Willey almost got it but that other guy always on point I promise uu he never miss a beat

[@HomerunsamSOSA]

Ever

[@tyrannosaurus696]

If anyone thinks race isn't a factor, just check the comments on any sports commentary video comparing a black and white QB. Or take a peek at the comments on the Brady vs. Honey Badger segments.

[@gregorycostello6377]

yeah that michael irvin a black man backed up tom brady

[@soda8736]

Yea is mostly brought up by black people..

[@impactzful]

dat suit fire , i see you wiley

[@whatnow5847]

Great conversation

[@rasmussenadventures6087]

Marcellus nails it. I understand where Acho's coming from, but I agree with Marcellus. Marcellus has the right mindset he does not take a victim stance. He is sharp! He refuses to be a victim, therefore he is not.

[@remyd8767]

This is a great discussion but legit two smart thinkers

[@notimetowaste1254]

Wiley is wise beyond his years!

[@drumbri]

New sub. Love Marcellos!

[@alen1179]

gotta love ACHO "The Race Hustler"

[@maintenceman9758]

Wiley is the realist dude in america

[@walaways]

Yall are fantastic

[@arvijeffery6859]

Guys, if someone says to Lamar "you should be a receiver", you, Lamar and everyone else is simply empowering this guy (whoever said that). Laugh at the guy and move on, ignore him. Do not empower him.

[@lets_play_a_game268]

Since i pretty much know where Marcellus stands on issues of race, i just fast forward to Acho🙄🙄😅

[@tomstorm7926]

You don’t know where acho stands?

[@marvezvealy3714]

Factz

[@tonyrossi3151]

Thank you Mr Wiley for speaking truth to “race baiting” power.

[@kiwidadygirl]

Achos problem is his concern over the 'influencing factor'. Instead of looking at the criticism and wondering if it's true or false, he wants to look at the imagined intentions/motivation. It's idiotic.

[@gardenpondfishgreenhouse573]

#1 Lawrence is a scrambler, not just a pocket QB, in 2019 he ran for 563 yards. Your wrong Acho!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@augusteebicemoo]

ECHO things like this is just the Truth

[@IconRadio99]

Wiley is making it harder and harder to listen to him on all occasions.

[@Jayoplantern]

He is a clown

[@IconRadio99]

@@Jayoplantern Dare I say he's becoming like Whitlock

[@22rida]

Brady Quinn issue was height. That was the main focus. That’s why ja Marcus was highly scouted

[@forcecalibration924]

I think since Russel Wilson got in the League it went away, he was the first potilital black qb that got treated like every other QB

[@travisdempster4693]

Sorry, but McNabb, Michael Vick, Rodney Pete, Don't Culpeper..Steve Mcnair

[@tacotacotington3638]

FOH with that. Half the country was all behind Michael Vick before his legal issues.

[@tacotacotington3638]

@@judagreat_8982 Donovan Mcnabb fits that description then.

[@17thN.O]

Aaron Rodgers and Josh Allen are great runners but were never was there a thought he should be receivers. So were Steve Young (former NFL all-time leading quarterback rusher) and Fran Tarkenton for the old school.

[@soda8736]

Rogers is a good runner .. Not a receiver type runner and there have been white qbs made into wr . like matt jones ,eldenmen, and they wanted to make Tebow a tight end and fullback.. Tayson hill is 31 and has never got a chance ,mabey until this year because his viewd as more of a runner

[@17thN.O]

I never said there were no white quarterbacks treated like that. It was wrong for them to be done that if they had the ability to play the position. I felt Tebow and Tyrod Taylor were not given a fair shake. Due to the fact they did win, maybe not conventionally, but they did win. Now Terrelle Pryor nor Edleman nor Matt Jones had ever apparently showed the ability to play quarterback as well as at wide receiver. Shout out to Julian Edelman for winning Superbowl MVP and a really good career. Lamar Jackson has been the MVP of the league, thrown the most touchdowns in the league one year and been to the playoffs all three years in the league and won a game this past year. But yet and still the media still says he can't throw the football, with the tight end Mark Andrews being his best and most reliable receiver. Besides Hollywood Brown name the Ravens other receivers? It's not because of lack of achievements Jackson's ability is doubted.

[@soda8736]

@@17thN.O But is that because Lamar is black or is it his style of play?

[@17thN.O]

@@soda8736 It could be both. Andrew Luck retired early because of injuries, Aaron Rodgers suffered several injuries and Ben Rothlisberger will never be mistaken for Michael Vick and he stays injured. Vick stayed hurt, Peyton Manning was the ultimate pocket passer and got hurt. Football is a dangerous game where the people playing it more likely than not will get hurt. Alex Smith almost lost a leg and died. Quarterbacks are like raw meat to an animal in the woods to the defense, cause getting to that is how they eat. Get a lot of sacks and rushing the passer gets them big contracts.

[@soda8736]

@@17thN.O i think lamar criticizm come from his style of play not his race ..thats my only point..because any white qbs that play or ever played like him get criticized. Imean run first guys that have designed qb running plays. Not qbs who can make things happen with thier legs. Its a difference

[@oneonesixbanga]

Yes.. it still matters

[@michaelwright6124]

Ya still living in a racist era....it's taboo to be real about it on your broadcast cause you will lose advertising and your job....TRUTH

[@Daniel-pr2tp]

@Mr. Nyce Guy why do you hate white males? The league is mostly black

[@Jamesdylandean]

Not just race, but height, and where in the U.S. that they play. The Eastern QB's always get a boost from their early games.

[@cspdx11]

Where are the white cornerbacks? The hispanic wide receivers? The Asian linebackers? Are we to assume that is racism? I don't think so

[@shannonsouthern61552]

Yes

[@zee9er]

Edelman is literally the height of Frodo lmao

[@tsizzle84]

If sports are a microcosm of life, then yes race remains a factor in the evaluation of qb's. There isn't a sector in society where race doesn't play a part, no matter how big or small a part it plays

[@adgee5401]

Black men aren’t allowed to be passionate.

[@jonathankim6755]

Very provoking thought. But what about Michael Jordan?

[@odibua9107]

When a black QB can regularly come out and start their career like Sam Darnold or Mitch Trubisky but still be given a chance to develop for years, or be allowed to be average starters, then race will not be an issue.

[@jsphblw]

You mean like Jameis Winston?