Wiley & Acho discuss the double-standard between NBA teams & stars | NBA | SPEAK FOR YOURSELF

[@SpeakOnFS1]

What are your thoughts on Draymond Green's comments on the Pistons?

[@HinzRafael]

So much to unpack, not enough time and space (in the comments lol) suffice it to say, I'll be honest. I was a prisoner of the moment in Draymond's interview. He said alot, seemed unfair, and quite valid his comments. But having heard your respective perspectives i'm beginning to see the true validity of Marcellus's primary argument as well as Acho's subsequent points (contracts bind the players only). I agree with you both. I think these were not the best examples from Draymond because both Andre & Blake understand their place in the league, aging stars with heavy contracts, yet still more to give. And it's a mutual decision from both parties. I actually see it as a form of respect from the organisation to not only give the players/agents "advance" notice openly, but seems like they intend to deal them to better situations. I could be wrong, but perspective is everything..

[@HinzRafael]

On the contrary, what is also true is that organisations historically have not made the best decisions in HOW they exercise their power to terminate contracts, trade, etc.. i think this is where the "respect" argument is most relevant. Draymond referenced Boogie, Harrison Barnes.. now THAT was disrespectful.. (their public trade). Not the decision TO trade, but HOW the organisation exercised their right to. Tough business, yes. Happens to average people too.. NBA players just get theirs publicised

[@yoos24d55]

pistons or do you mean Cavs?

[@steviewonder3051]

Wiley is right

[@gibmodinero8101]

Love the show but Wiley is sooo predictable on takes like these!

[@blockburna365]

Hands dwn one of the most insightful convos ive seen on sports shows. And delivered very eloquently

[@bpraise517]

You ain't ever lying...had to send it to friends.

[@HinzRafael]

Marcellus, that point from your wife is profoundly true sir.

[@TheBrady0012004]

Marcellus really is trying to better the younger men and women with life lessons and skills

[@forcecalibration924]

Facts

[@amzijackson]

This is the abosolute best sports show on TV!! More than just debating stats and much more objective viewpoints. Love it!!

[@sportfanatic5339]

I hope this show sticks around.

[@stpark27]

Marcellus Wiley is seriously the smartest guy in television. Acho is super smart too but man Mr Wiley is just...wow!

[@BRUMSEYBOYS]

LOL

[@twodogs5395]

He's up there as one of the most racist with Rabbi Kellerman.

[@ogeezy8870]

One of the best conversations I've ever heard. These two are self aware, wiley especially. two pro athletes recognizing that their old profession does not correlate to the life of a common person. Draymond, etc, these guys dont understand they are employees.

[@hottakeapproved6340]

100% agree

[@yahshuashannonchrist5233]

Wiley on point on this one for me

[@lifeisfortheliving2070]

I be mad at marcellus tskes.. but yo be speaking facts

[@lifeisfortheliving2070]

@VETERAN facts bro

[@geemon3y23__4]

These guys hands down have this best sports talk show on TV. They dnt argue they spit facts with real information

[@RuinNationGaming]

Yes double standard in sports s player in the nba gets called for traveling but james takes 5 steps and isn't called

[@forzaacmilan36]

He doesn't actually travel that much he just gathers the ball late

[@hottakeapproved6340]

new nba standards that's not a travel 99 percent of the time, but hand checking days that's a travel every time

[@hottakeapproved6340]

Luka does it too

[@RuinNationGaming]

@@hottakeapproved6340 true but when its that bad you got to call it. if a no name player from the bench took one step to many and dint dribble you would be called for traveling.

[@hottakeapproved6340]

@@RuinNationGaming is been like that forever though... from Wilt bullying inside to Jordan and his famous push off... the best players have always got the calls in every sport and that's likely to never change Bc you can't remove the human element from the game... but that isn't even close to what Green was referring to

[@jims9205]

Marcellus is the GOAT. His arguments are on point, thoughtful, and well researched by both wordly experience and statistical analysis. Hes that Uncle that you go to advice for, and knows a something about everything. Not just black excellence but species excellence. Lol

[@2centslv]

I find myself agreeing with Wiley on almost every topic.

[@freeindeed8416]

Yup

[@carbon.the.christ5626]

@VETERAN Your employees aren't as responsible for your success in most arenas as they are in sports. So I do somewhat disagree and understand where players are coming from. But players could always choose to be independent contractors or start their own leagues. They will quickly see there is a lack of benefits in doing either one of those things in the short term at least. And more than likely you will end up with players having the same complaints about lack of power in some capacity. Outside of sports these owners were already successful,but what could they be without these players.

[@rollingwins]

Wiley always make me look at things differently

[@nickalton]

These two have a LOT of wisdom! Great take!

[@kennycorrea7578]

I appreciate the healthy discourse. The best way to inform and educate is to put forth your argument debate it with someone of the opposing side and let the people decide where they fall. That’s the problem we have today we want to people to arrive at our destination and not there own.

[@ajtuiafiso]

Well these 2 get better every episode 🔥🔥🔥

[@njongomato]

Now THIS is how you conduct a debate on a sports talk show. Keep it up gentlemen!

[@charnelveil669]

I think that all of these Sports Analysts are good at what they do. They all have their own style and approach to sports debate, but overall, Marcellus, Emmanuel, Shannon, Skip, Stephen A., Max, Nick, Brandon, Chris B, all of them are fun to watch and listen to.

[@MrSportyguy2012]

One of my favorite sports talk show. Great convos!

[@lukinhaxjr]

Maaaan, marcellus is totally right!!! Its simple, employer and employee

[@jaywilliams4770]

Does not make it right

[@hou-tanclan7612]

@@jaywilliams4770 What's not right about it?

[@freeindeed8416]

Yup

[@cy4069]

Yep, and employer-employee is what makes it a double standard :) It's an inherently unjust relationship.

[@andrew1ups]

@@cy4069 it’s called having a job 😂 not being a partner lmfaoo

[@pillowspam]

I have to agree with Marcellus. Athletes always use the narrative that a sport is a business when it comes contract negotiations etc, However, that narrative is conveniently ignored when a team acts accordingly. Employer / Employee dynamics. Each role comes w/ a different set of responsibilities & priorities. An owner has a whole team/facility & construct to think about. A player does not. So while there is a fan perception of a double standard & i agree that to be the case (i.e. Anthony Davis Forces his way out of New Orleans = he's vilified by the fans, but a team moves on from a player & it's BAU) At the end of day compensation is the ultimate form of respect in any job. if you don't like dynamics. find a new profession & see how that works out for ya.

[@matthewbond4088]

I loved this conversation, they hit all of it right on the nail.

[@isaabdullahi9097]

You guys have the best, objective commentary on sports and issues. All sides considered and no views shoved down our throats

[@nikopetropoulos3026]

Unreal convo. These dudes are next level insightful

[@mambamentality6148]

Marcellus is so Fuccing smart I love his takes smh 💯

[@BRUMSEYBOYS]

LOL

[@kingchino6179]

Great episode 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾

[@rodriguezpierre81]

They’ve been on fire 🔥! A recent one was even better than this one. They’ve officially grew on me ✊🏾

[@Hopper830]

Harrison Barnes a few years ago got traded from the Mavs while he was on the court in the middle of an NBA game. The league didn't bat an eye. Yes there is a double standard.

[@ced9938]

There isn't and besides according to barnes agent he already knew what was going to happen. Even if he wasn't informed about it so what they already understand without the no trade clause and the trade deadline you can be moved at anytime

[@Hopper830]

@@ced9938 Clearly you just missed it. If a great player take matters into his own hands and says he's going to holdout until he gets a trade his reputation is dragged through the gutter. But when the organization/NBA Franchise decides that's the best course of action its no harm no foul as long as it's happening on their terms. Clearly there is a double standard on player empowerment in the NBA. I guarantee most of the NBA owners can't stand how much power Lebron has with Rich Paul and Klutch Sports

[@jasonthomas9319]

@@Hopper830 There is no double standard because an employee is not on the same level as the employer. Double standard refers to two individuals at the same level. O and in the contracts that players sign, tell them that the employer can trade them, if they don't like it, don't sign it.

[@ced9938]

@@jasonthomas9319 thank you sir it's not that hard to understand

[@jennagg5223]

I loved this conversation

[@mosthatedlegend930]

THIS IS THE MOST EDUCATIONAL SPORTS SHOW EVER

[@HollyG95]

I see both sides. Great debate.

[@waynehead3106]

Wiley hit the nail on the hammer

[@jefffu3563]

So well said!!! Great debate.

[@benalvis6722]

LOVE THESE GUYS

[@darrennevels796]

Idk if Marcellus even answered Achos question about the second part of Draymonds statement

[@forcecalibration924]

Marcellus the Wise

[@kingcali6507]

This my show right here ... respect ny brothers keeping on pushing 💯

[@dessy073]

I haven't seen an analyst yet respond to Draymonds actually point. Acho did just what

[@ramsinessapour8906]

God I love Wiley!!!!! Tells it like it is!

[@caper087]

Acho on this show is way better then whitlock ... keep this smart dude around for a long time ... the chemistry is unreal with these two

[@steveyoung4584]

Wiley is missing a huge part of Draymond’s point. Draymond didn’t say owners don’t have the right to make moves to benefit the team. He was simply saying why do owners get a pass from the fans while players get punished (castrated) when they do the same thing. That’s the double standard. It has nothing to do with owner and employee status. It’s about being fair in your assessment of both parties. We all get that it’s a business.

[@napmcdan3437]

What is a "double standard?" Is it that players aren't treated like owners? Well, that was known when your signature went on the contract.

[@andrew1ups]

Thank u Wiley ❤️

[@tristanmleonard]

I love these two! ❤️

[@Zdragon888]

We respond differently because we are fans of a team not a player. If a player wants to leave and that makes the team worse of course we are going to be mad. If a team cuts a player who is playing poorly or trades somebody and it makes the team better so we aren't mad about that

[@carlingram8316]

That's a really good point. Never thought about it that way.

[@ced9938]

It's that simple

[@yahshuashannonchrist5233]

Acho too!

[@Pinkgreen190]

Wiley is right though. There are at will states where employers can hire and fire people at will. The NBA is the same way. They just shouldn't do it in a disrespectful manner, like during a game.

[@swisscloud4309]

Agree i think harrison barnes should of at least finished the game just for the optics

[@jamesmoore2812]

I don’t think fans get mad when players ask for a trade but it’s how they go about it sometimes. Like oh I’m gonna sit until you trade me. I don’t think the fans care when guy asks for a trade but will still play until he can get out of there. Players are some of the most privileged group of people in America

[@swisscloud4309]

Agree look at the way Westbrook got out of houston compared to harden He did it behind close doors without taking shots at the team or the players

[@goham5481]

It is binding the ability for a team to cut someone is in the contract.

[@Kingdj7-g1m]

This show is underrated All love all way from isreal 🤙🏻

[@michaelx1511]

Draymond doesn't know the difference between employer and employee.

[@RevoVansen]

and he runs a couple of businesses so go figure lol.

[@michaelx1511]

@@RevoVansen Not sure if he's the one actually running the businesses though.

[@RevoVansen]

@@michaelx1511 right. The point being is that he benefits from someone else's work and he's definitely not looking at the relationship like a partnership.

[@geronimopratt7976]

@@michaelx1511 he owns businesses, did you not think a millionaire could own a business?

[@jordanziegler5009]

You guys are great! I feel at home watching uou show. I enjoy many others but the way you deliver your views, as a black man i feel the culture!

[@jpg6113]

Marcellus needs a statue

[@Wolversquall]

Retail workers : what’s this respect you speak of ?

[@miguelarias5193]

I think a simple way to resolve the trading and cutting of players would be a 2 part negotiation. Kinda like in European soccer. If team A wants a player from team B they usually have to negotiate the price of the player and negotiate with the player on their salary. This doesn't fix how players feel about being disrespected but this could give them some sort of security that they don't currently

[@Johenz]

Nba have salary cap unlike soccer

[@miguelarias5193]

@@Johenz and the NFL has a salary cap and while some teams are building super teams and doing salary cap gymnastics other teams are filled with bums, your point is?

[@Johenz]

@@miguelarias5193 nba and nfl you can’t negotiate the salary because there’s a cap. And you can buy out players but they have to take a bare minimum after the buy out then can sign a huge contract. They already negotiate the price as in trade value. Having a cap makes trading hard. If you’re trading for someone who’s making 25 mil the value giving up have to equal 25mil

[@MrDelgaan]

Cell, speak the truth...

[@RevoVansen]

Harden dogging his way out of Houston put Drummond in this situation so what is Draymond talking about?

[@shanepringle]

MW is spot on WRT to the dynamics of owner/management and labor. Labor has little to no leverage in most negotiations, because there is usually thousands who would gladly take those jobs. However, when it comes to jobs where there is labor scarcity, then labor has much more leverage. What Green and others are pointing out is that folks like MW and fans are not used to labor using their leverage, when players act as individual entities, rather than as a collective, I.E. the team. We've all been conditioned to think that ownership makes trades or other personnel decisions for the betterment of the team. That may be true, sometimes it's not, like cost cutting to prioritize profits over winning as an example. But if MW and all of us are consistent in our thinking, in that owners, players, or any actor in the economy, will use their leverage to best negotiate what is their best interests, then Green is right, the fans and media have no right to be upset. Just because ownership has traditionally held much of the negotiating power, doesn't mean that pendulum can't swing a bit the other way. I think what is really at work here is twofold. Most people have employers. I think they put themselves in their situations with little or no leverage and think how dare he (the athlete). But dare they do, because they have far more leverage than you. Secondly, people have a problem with others acting individually, selfish when others do it, but how many folks in their owns lives have done things that benefits them individually, and not collectively? Everyone.

[@ericbizzell5933]

Draymond has been doing a lot of talking these days for someone scoring 5 pts a game just be quite and play like you deserve that 25 million a yr.

[@geronimopratt7976]

Are saying he should shut up and dribble 🤔

[@bpraise517]

They straight MURDERED this one...BRAVO BROTHERS

[@geronimopratt7976]

These two kings remind me of "The Great Debaters"💪🏿🖤

[@leetraviusmckay2919]

Owners/GMs can trade players and say 'it's just business' but players ask for a trade and they're called 'locker room cancers' or 'bad leaders'

[@BaithNa]

Pretty obvious to me

[@robertrios1732]

Marcellus nailed the god complex!!!

[@shawncain882]

Nobody thinks of it like this, but players are actually partners with the owners, it's a limited partnership, but it's a partnership nevertheless & it's called the players association, therefore on that fact, players do need to negotiate better options/terms for requesting trades & how teams handle trading them when the team wants to

[@ced9938]

They are not partners

[@deljones07]

The owners pay the players, theyre not partners just because of a contract

[@shawncain882]

@@ced9938 , Wrong, they are partners with the players association, it's literally called the CBA

[@shawncain882]

@@deljones07 Wrong, they are partners with the players association, it's literally called the CBA

[@deljones07]

The CBA is a union for players to ensure labor and pay is correct, CBA does not make the nba partners with players, good try thou

[@anhtannguyen5577]

Wiley big ups of late and I use to be a Wiley hater

[@rodriguezpierre81]

Lol, Life is like that ! I used to hate Whitlock and I’m now one of his biggest fans. It doesn’t matter who you like or don’t like , just have an open mind.

[@jermainee26]

I agree w/ ALMOST EVERYTHING Wiley said except the part about “You showing me how much you Respect me by the amount of Money you pay me”. I believe you can be BOUGHT if you look at LIFE like that🤷🏾‍♂️💯

[@geronimopratt7976]

He used a wrong choice of words. In better words, "pay me what I'm worth at doing my job".

[@madscrillaog5703]

Acho- I live in nc. U can get fired for any reason here no matter what. It’s a huge difference being employees and employers

[@goham5481]

James harden thing is a wildly slippery slope.

[@qrste81]

Don't they have contracts with no trade clauses?

[@ced9938]

Yes

[@qrste81]

@@ced9938 so not sure I agree with Acho’s take then

[@dimitrisbright9807]

@@qrste81 Not all players get those clauses my guy. In fact, that's another example of the haves and have nots and certain double standards between star players and role players

[@drusif85]

It depends on the type of job though. Many jobs you give two weeks notice before you leave. I work as a lobbyist right now, I’m under a contract. I can’t just get up and tell them to transfer me. They could sit me, I will get paid a percentage of my contract, but also fined for days missed depending on the event. Depends on the architecture of the contract you sign. The players Union need to get that changed in the next CBA meeting so this discussion can end.

[@dimitrisbright9807]

You're a lobbyist? I hate your guts already😂

[@drusif85]

@@dimitrisbright9807 😂😂😂 FYI I work for a renewable energy lobbyist firm. But, hey, it’s the profession I choose so I get it. I’m used to that response. 😂😂

[@hottakeapproved6340]

the difference is the team has to worry about a roster and overall success whereas the player is just that and, effective or not, are mostly concerned about themselves (understandably so) and their legacy... the problem now is two fold #1 the entitlement of the players...VS...#2 the arrogance of the owners

[@akarshshekhar5233]

NBA players are not partners, they are employees. Ofcourse the employer will have some leverage over the employee. Green acted like an entitled, delusional fool who doesn't understand how a company works.

[@gwest9076]

It was a postgame press conference. Last time I checked in a post game press conference you are asked questions by the media. There for he's entitled to his opinion by answering those questions. Since you want to talk about the employee. Media obligation is in his employee NBA contract. Do yourself a favor and don't speak on things you know nothing about Kevin.

[@akarshshekhar5233]

@@gwest9076 He didn't answer a question. He went on a rant. Secondly, you need to improve your reading comprehension skills (perhaps even eyesight) because they are extremely limited right now. Nobody said Draymond Green shouldn't speak or not say what he wants. He was being criticized for what he said, not for the fact that he said something.

[@gwest9076]

@@akarshshekhar5233He was asked about Andre Drummound clown. Take your own advice.

[@akarshshekhar5233]

@@gwest9076 Learn to spell. And once again, learn to comprehend. There is a difference between "answering" and "ranting". Was he asked about Kyrie Irving's mental health break and James Harden's trade scenario as well? It's strange that you are calling me a clown while you are the one making laughable comments. Give more credit to yourself. Don't let me steal your thunder, joker.

[@gwest9076]

@@akarshshekhar5233 Look who's getting mad. You can't even comprehend a guy is entitled to his own opinion even if it turns into a rant. That rant didn't hurt anything but your feelings. Pop and Steve Kerr have openly ranted on politics and Trump in the past and both are employees as well. I didn't see anyone complaining about that at the time and those are much more touchy subjects than basketball. So I misspelled a player's last name. Sue me clown.

[@mikecarter7597]

Respect is never contractual. Compensation is. Money for doing a job not respect for said job but pay for service rendered. Self actualization of talent and/or peace of mind should not be met with disdain

[@MetaGameGuides]

Players tend to oversimplify things. Didn't Draymond call Durant to ask him to come to Golden State? Wouldn't that lead to trades and releases? Didn't Lebron - who agreed with Draymond - trade 3 or 4 Lakers players to get his buddy AD to the team?

[@robertrutherfordjr355]

FACTS!!!!

[@Dixon_Cider407]

Wiley is low-key telling the players to start their own league. That’s when they will have the utmost respect. When there’s no such thing as a “boss” *Dame Dash Voice*

[@17thN.O]

That booing of Andrew Luck was one of the worst things I've ever seen.

[@Pierced2da]

It’s binding on both parties. They have a term clause and you don’t.

[@BaithNa]

Draymond is 100% right that there's a double standard for players who want to be traded as oppose to a team wanting to trade a player. It would be very easy for all of this to be done behind closed doors and that's all he wants

[@RMAhmed89]

Tell draymond mccdonalds is hiring if he doesn’t like his profession

[@jordanjenkins1671]

The double standard is upheld by the fans, is it not? The loyalty is demanded but not given in return.

[@KJ8301]

We don't know the conversation the team and Drummond agent had. This could have been mutual to sit until a trade occurs

[@yinliu5634]

Ya but the difference is, one is writing checks and one is taking checks.

[@eljefesinnaman2603]

Asking for justice; same consequence for same actions, is a human imperative. No matter how much you get paid ....ethics are not related to how much you get paid. A owner of a team or CEO doesn’t get to treat his employees like cattle, no matter how much they pay...in a decent/civilized society. It is shameful to use such coercion...and is a type of passive aggressive violence.

[@tony3879]

Man an owner of any business assumes all the risk when opening and maintaining a business. If you business does well it allows you to give your employees higher wages and better benefits.

[@therealestmc85]

All the risks? This can't be entirely true.

[@tony3879]

@@therealestmc85 lol of course they do 20% of small business fall within the first year and 50% within the first five. The stats get worse the longer they open. The owner takes all the financial risk open and maintaining the business. Most Americans are employed by small businesses. With any business there is a risk of failure.

[@cy4069]

​@@tony3879 First off, these sports teams aren't small businesses at all so that has nothing to do with it. Like they literally can't fail almost no matter what. Secondly, just because a business owner takes on the responsibility of the possibility of failure doesn't mean they deserve to treat their employees however they want. The reward of owning a business is the fact that you have ALL the control, you're basically a dictator of your franchise. Just because they might go under if they mismanage doesn't mean they don't have it much better off than their employees. The fact that they have enough capital to own a business in the first place means they are doing well for themselves..

[@tony3879]

@@cy4069 @Cyrus E. Farsad I was using small business as an example of risk of opening a business and being an owner. I should not have used that as an example and stuck to the topic. Second point how are the players being miss treated. They can't speak out about trades or get fined. If they don't like it have it included in the collective bargaining agreement. If they are going to be traded they sit them out because they are an asset and don't want them to get hurt. Not sure on how they are mistreated. Now the media is the one that has the issue with players demanding trades.

[@carmeloeverhart6377]

Wiley agreed with Acho take I’m lost on who y’all agree with

[@iFreeThink]

A syllabus is a contract. But everyone wants to make it to university (rather than community college).

[@adamyang1187]

Draymond is just trying to stay relevant...that’s not how real life works. Great take by Marcellus!

[@majinLurkio]

Is there a double standard? I wouldn't say so after listening to Mr. Wiley and Mr. Acho. I mean idk what to say. Businesses are entities. People are people. I feel like if every player had a company where their "person" works for their own LLC or corporation. Then they would be in a partnership with this organization when they sign the company's name on the NBA contract. I think they are signing their own names. Example: i create a company/LLC in all 50 states called "Basketball players, LLC." I hire myself as an employee. Now, when I am at the negotiation table. I'm the person representing basketball players LLC, While so and so is representing the Los Angeles Lakers. 2 people representing theor respective entities. In that way, it's two owners (level playing field) as a table talking business. Then when you signed the contract you sign it as basketball players,. LLC. Its a partnership instead of someone "hiring" someone else. Something like that should happen to resolve this issue.

[@greatdaylor]

Marcellus Wiley lives in the real world most people live in WOKE abstract reality

[@richardalfaro4933]

I believe players forget ... if the league stopped cold turkey just was dissolved ... who would it affect?? 🤔 the players and employees of teams not the owners .... Professional Sports is just a side Hustle like they said owners are billionaires and owning a team to the owner essentially a hobby ..they have control and there wealth trickles down but I think players grossly over evaluate themselves

[@richardalfaro4933]

And its not right but it's the cold hard truth

[@jordanbrown1094]

How so only if there’s no market they could start their own league ppl still would watch and pay for entertainment

[@jordanbrown1094]

And it might have started out as a hobby but there’s not many business more lucrative than billion dollar professional football league

[@richardalfaro4933]

@@jordanbrown1094 no man u don't get it . It's a side hobby but if all the owners said ubknkwnwhar we are removing our money just cold turkey. And jeep there team rights and player rights by contracts nothing can be done

[@bryanaustin5275]

Totally disagree with Wiley because we see police officers on their phones while driving and speeding so because they’re the one who enforces the law means it’s not a double standard when they break them and they’re not subject to the same consequences they’ll write u a ticket for

[@Jahcrooks]

Are those owners making 8 bill from just football or is that figure in conjuction with their other business ventures.

[@riverofcustard5027]

I love when these two speak about more profound things. Imagine the Fat Man trying to speak about this stuff.

[@Forw1072]

people are missing the jewels. OWNERS.....MAKE THE RULES. PERIOD

[@hottakeapproved6340]

the playoffs are extra games (not accounted for unless added into incentives in a contract) for making it a bonus (not part of contract) just like the pro bowl... the owners own the franchises and I don't see what Green really meant by his comments bc players badmouth owners all the time...is that respect???

[@RevoVansen]

Acho is a fool.

[@DanyCesc83]

Both have credible arguments and just something embedded in the system, it works and we can want all the same benefits but that’s just not how capitalism works.

[@kingfree3396]

Listening to your wife will always led you wrong lmao

[@JCPRuckus]

Ironically, all of these arguments are irrelevant. Fans don't like when players ask for trades because it feels like the player is rejecting the fanbase. And they don't get mad when a team trades a player, because that's the team rejecting the player, not the team rejecting the fans. It's really that simple. I'm not saying that these aren't interesting and important arguments to have for other reasons. I'm just saying that they aren't relevant to the difference in perception between the two situations.

[@mistekefomby1888]

Yeah, the arguments were good points to be made, but if we're talking about fandom of a team and not of a player, it makes sense for fans to react harshly when the best player of scream decides he wants out. That more than likely mean your team will be less competitive and productive going forward. What can would like that? So I don't feel its that they siding with owners but rather they identify more with the team.

[@santosonly7]

Marcellus: “If we give you a few dollas, you should be good with me disrespecting you.” What? Its about common human decency. This is not just a sports world problem it’s a world problem. Finally, if a team can publicly or indirectly announce a trade, the player should be able to directly or infer they would like to be traded. If it’s wrong for one it’s wrong for both. If it’s wrong for the player to do it, it’s wrong for the team. That’s where the double standard lies. All that other stuff from Wiley was blathering banter.

[@swisscloud4309]

Not really lebron james got players traded and didn’t get backlash as it was what was best for the team The point is if fans like it they wont complain so its hard for fans to see any proper compensation for james harden no matter how hard you try