Does Tua deserve to be the highest paid QB? | NFL | SPEAK

The Miami Dolphins are talking “in earnest” with Tua Tagovailoa to extend his contract. Emmanuel Acho, Joy Taylor, Dave Helman, and LeSean McCoy discuss Tua’s performance and if it merits him becoming the highest paid QB in the NFL
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[@TV-fv1ih]

The question was does Tua "deserve" to be the highest paid QB. The answer is NO! Just like all the guys before him who shouldn't have been the highest paid, including Rodgers, they will still probably acquiesce and get close. It all started with Watson and the madness continues. Its not hard as the standard is Mahomes right now and then you work your way down from there!

[@phillipfry1583]

THE ACTUAL QUESTION IS "SHOULD DOLPHINS MAKE TUA HIGHEST PAID QB?" WITH THERE BEING A THING CALLED A SALARY CAP AND IT GOES ANYWHERE BUT DOWN. SIMPLE ANSWER WOULD BE YES THIS IS MIA BEST FIT AT QB SO WHY GAMBLE ON THE FUTURE OR FREE AGENCY BECAUSE SOME LOW-LEVEL FRANCHISE WILL ALWAYS SHELL OUT KURT COUSINS CONTRACTS FOR LESSER TALENT.

[@phillipfry1583]

WELL IT WAS GOOD WHILE IT LASTED. HAD TO BRING BACK LASHAY "THE FOOTBALL SAVANT" MCCOYS SHADY TAKES. YOU'D EXPECT MORE OF AN INTRICATE TAKE FROM SOMEBODY THAT ACTUALLY PLAYED. WHERES JJ OR TJ WHOSYAMAMA BECAUSE THIS AINT IT FOX

[@Bigotes1775]

How can you justify paying the guy the bag after one healthy season. Joy is on one. Add Tua to the list of failed QBs after Marino.

[@phillipfry1583]

@@Bigotes1775 EASY WHO ELSE CAN THEY GO AND GET WITH TUAS UPSIDE? IN A YEAR OR 2 THAT QB MONEY WONT BE MUCH AND THEY CAN STRUCTURE IT TO ONLY INCENTIVIZE IT IF HE PLAYS X AMOUNT OF GAMES JUST BECAUSE A CONTRACT IS WORTH A CERTAIN AMOUNT DOESNT MEAN HE'LL SEE ALL OF IT.

[@sunnydays405]

You don’t pay top dollar for a QB that can’t play in the cold lmao

[@theliverpoolking2259]

It's not a Tua problem though, that's a Miami problem. Dan Marino is probably the most talented QB of all time (yes including Mahomes) but go look up his record in the cold. It's abysmal as well. That's just a Miami thing, the same way we excel in Hot weather conditions and teams like the Bills do not.

[@FLEX.609]

😂😂😂

[@ridoxxx_0030]

@@theliverpoolking2259then don’t pay them. Be fkn smart, invest in players that can keep you in the game in freezing cold temperatures (AKA TURN INTO A DEFENSIVE TEAM) and let tua be a game manager. The problem is that they already have star players paid with much dollar in the offensive side including tyreek hill. They didn’t need hill, only for the regular season but hill is a non factor in the post for that very reason. The Miami dolphins as an organization is terrible

[@DerQuanDoucett]

That’s just Miami. Tyreek cam3 from kc where he balled out in the playoffs and went to Miami and when the playoffs start he can’t catch

[@DerQuanDoucett]

@@ridoxxx_0030so your not go pay any offensive players ever? Because Miami is always go be a warm weather city. Yu trynna turn them into the bears 😂😂

[@anthonyray5713]

The NFL has to create a mid tier QB contract level.

[@MYKEY_1]

They have one, look at Kirk

[@estvescalders6597]

Its on the owners. They just need to let them walk into free agency. I would've let Dak go after rookie contract when he insisted on being one of the highest paid QBs. I'm not surprised at all that 4 years have passed and he has nothing to show for it. Maybe 1 playoff win against an old Tom Brady and absolutely no deep playoff runs.

[@corning1]

Look at baker

[@dwaynebanks4194]

@@estvescalders6597you must have a backup plan. Most teams don’t that’s why they overpay the quarterbacks

[@user-bk6uu5hu6o]

@@MYKEY_12 years 50 million isn’t mid tier

[@freddygaulman5493]

All of a sudden regular season stats matter to Joy😂😂😂wheres the "what do you do in the playoffs" takes she usually gives for every other QB

[@jabaricrewsellis8740]

PREACH!!!!

[@kingcaesar4817]

I guess you didn't listen to her

[@freddygaulman5493]

@@kingcaesar4817 she danced around the question, heard every word

[@kingcaesar4817]

@freddygaulman5493 she literally Saud he should be the highest paid because it's next man up and that's how it's always been which is true. JIMMY g was the highest paid at one time because he was next man up. She also stated the injuries etc. She didn't dance around it at all.

[@theGQX7]

Exactly her argument against paying Lamar Jackson top money, smh

[@gonzolo4]

Tua is the BEST quarterback in Miami since Marino. QBs aren’t easy to find, pay him and keep it moving.

[@dolphinzrwj1]

Yeah either him or Chad but Tua is 1 or 2 since Marino but that shows you how bad the Dolphins front office has been in the last 24 years.

[@nonbiasedreviews001]

As a washington fan, I still can not believe we had all those guys in the building at one point

[@danielgalan1920]

Sheesh. That’s a goat coaching staff right there. A bunch of young geniuses back in 2013.

[@MrDownbyme]

All held back because Mike shanahan only listened to his son.

[@kclark777v]

Painful.

[@yahcrack]

Joy be having smoke for every other QB except for Tua

[@louisgaines7400]

Yep 💯

[@jmike_rockaway]

Duhh, she’s a MIA fan

[@chetjablonski1993]

@@jmike_rockawayyeah-her bro had a HOF career for them, she’s (to her detriment) a lifer Fish fan/supporter…. We can all pray for her

[@jayflorida]

But TUA seems to have the most smoke of all time… haters really hate

[@curtisrobinson2291]

So if you are a fan of the team it is cool to not be objective, when your job is to be objective? That's wild

[@KendoAlexander]

Someone needs to ask Shady, what was Hurts before AJ Brown? System QBs deserve to get paid too.

[@gregorydunston2952]

At least Hurts tho, almost made the best out of the talent that was given to him. He did get his team to the SB & was legit 1 drive away from winning one. Tua ain’t done squat outside of put up some numbers vs losing teams

[@elgisthomas8791]

​@gregorydunston2952 Half of Tua's team was out.. remember when the Bucs owned KC just cuz 2 line men were out?

[@jrcrit8843]

@@elgisthomas8791where was Tua the year before that? Oh that’s right, injured again whole his backup put up more points in his playoff game than Tua did this year

[@neetrab]

@KendoAlexander - and what was AJ before he came to philly? Just a regular WR that nobody was talking about or feared as much as he's feared now playing with Jalen. Jalen took his team to the playoffs his first full szn. Why you mad??

[@neetrab]

​@@jrcrit8843 OUCH!!! 😆

[@playhousefilms368]

No, he cant justify being paid more than Mahomes, Allen, or Lamar.

[@TG_Kie-L0s0]

Simple

[@Icanthearyouatall]

Herbert can’t justify being paid more than any of those quarterbacks but guess what ? He is, the NFL contracts have always been next man up(unless your name is Lamar Jackson then you get colluded against.. smh) it’s simply tua’s turn to be paid nobody ever says anything like this when it’s a mediocre white quarterback up to being paid

[@chetjablonski1993]

Buffalo & KC want all these fools to pay their QB. Pat & Josh are on almost team friendly deals compared to these bums…

[@BiZZYBEAMiN]

@@chetjablonski1993which QBs are you referring to as bums ?

[@719tanker]

As a Bills fan, PLEASE do make him the highest paid QB in the NFL!!! It will be guaranteed 2 victories per season once it kicks in

[@legitdragon6202]

No. If you can't beat over .500 teams and can't play in the cold, you don't deserve it. The 'next man up, that's just how it works argument' is dumb AF.

[@RayRey028]

Exactly. Joy Taylor, the dolphin fan she is, forgot this little fun fact.

[@jackied962]

As someone from Washington DC, we've been doing the "next man up" thing for 30 years now. Hasn't worked out too well.

[@jeanfourcade]

This show turns into a clown show as soon as JJ walks out.

[@chetjablonski1993]

I couldn’t agree more

[@jessimong7690]

Oh but he has beaten teams over 500 in his career just not last year. And this cold playing thing isn't all on him

[@yahcrack]

0:46 Joy has smoke for every team but the Dolphins, stop making excuses for that bum

[@jackreacher2095]

Well yea her big brother is a hall of Famer who played for them

[@TyBless]

Said from a trailor park in New England...

[@ryancondor8078]

@jackreacher2095 he also played for the jets and won as many playoff games in 1 year with the jets as he did 13yrs with miami...

[@poppahoggg2587]

😂Bum! FACTS 💯

[@M--76]

Funny how the missing games argument is ok when it's Tua but not one word was being said about Lamar Jackson missing all those games.

[@ryancondor8078]

I like how they always say "rodgers last healthy season" talking about 2022, and completely neglect the fact he fractured his thumb on his throwing hand in week 5 vs the giants... 🤦‍♂️

[@Icanthearyouatall]

“Missing all those games “ ? Burrow has missed more games in less seasons played than Lamar why don’t you use him for your example ? Lamar is not injury prone 🤡

[@byronsmith3152]

How about Burrow?

[@M--76]

@@Icanthearyouatall the conversation centered around a contract year. Lamar was hurt two seasons in a row right before his new contract. That’s why.

[@malikmobley5466]

Or burro

[@MattShanley-bb6qs]

Can't beat good teams , terrible in cold weather's & can't stay healthy except 1 season but he should be the highest paid qb in the nfl?!

[@andrewswing9917]

Can't change the market so quit whining

[@MattShanley-bb6qs]

@andrewswing9917 I ain't whining, I'm just saying I would make him the highest paid QB when all the things I said about him

[@elgisthomas8791]

He has beat good trams..

[@Alex-ls8ih]

Let's be real he lost to the Superbowl champs Ima a pats fan bro pay that dude y'all have a good team in Mami and y'all haven't since I been watching football.. 1998 till now I'm born in Boston raised in Boston and I'm telling y'all PAY THE DUDE

[@jrcrit8843]

@@andrewswing9917stating the obvious is not whining tool

[@eugenepaolella1270]

This is getting ridiculous paying these type of salaries too freaking average quarterbacks average quarterbacks this is getting ridiculous

[@gr3415]

Average QB? Go check out his numbers when he got a real coach. Guy lead the league in passing last year 😂

[@MikkiChavez]

​@@gr3415& went home in the 1st round. Was 1-6 against playoffs teams & had the best WR & RB tandem in the league. Gtfoh

[@josephbattaglia6120]

Everyone (pundits, media) keeps calling brock average, does he not deserve to get paid next year?

[@eugenepaolella1270]

@@josephbattaglia6120 yes Brock purdy deserves to get money but I wouldn't call him elite Patrick mahomes Josh Allen Justin Herbert those are the ones that deserve top dollar

[@chetjablonski1993]

@@MikkiChavez0-6 vs Buffalo, KC, Baltimore & Philly. In 2 of those games (Buffalo & Baltimore)-they gave up 50.

[@Davo2times]

“we was praying for him” 😭😭😭😭

[@Yoyo-fu8ul]

Acho saying CJ is not a playmaker got me feeling some type of way...lol...for someone that has been living thru the sh* show in Houston the last few years I beg to differ.

[@Slickmac2323]

Exactly! CJ is definitely a play maker. He does not need to use his legs that much bc his processing and accuracy is elite. But if he needs to he can beat with his legs. Archo is dead wrong about CJ.

[@TuatagaloaTeo]

He has only played one play off game. Seriously son.

[@gregorydunston2952]

@@TuatagaloaTeo& has 1 more playoff win already than Tua does lol

[@damioncappello9431]

Brock purdy has 4 playoff wins therefore he is better than cj​@@gregorydunston2952

[@jrcrit8843]

@@TuatagaloaTeoumm won his first playoff game in rookie season and won his division in his rookie season. Better than Tua and Herbert with less talent around him

[@SayDatShiii...]

Did Justin Herbert deserve it? Absolutely TF not..

[@BentleyVB]

thank you

[@thewhitedevilfromthebible5899]

Facts they always m😢excuses for the white boys

[@peterkaufman5624]

Very true, monkey see monkey do?

[@LKS-M9323]

They hate on Tua so much it's sad

[@MrFreakazoid23]

No he didn’t and that’s the point. Don’t shoot yourself in the foot just because you saw another organization do it.

[@clarenceturner9065]

Shady is talking about a player that’s always hurt. Maybe they should check Joe Burrow stats he’s always hurt but no one talks about it because he had one good year.

[@jtworkowsky]

Joe burrow is statistically Kirk cousins

[@cameronzwicke5761]

So is Lamar

[@TyBless]

Tua has NEVER been bottom of the barrel, even when he was throwing to practice Squad WRs running offenses built for Ryan Fitzpatrick.. I agree with not THE HIGHEST PAID, but he deserves his long term deal RIGHT NOW.

[@martinwalker2501]

Tua should either get tagged or get a dollar more than Daniel Jones.

[@miamiman24]

He can't be top paid but definitely a decent more than daniel jones. He's quite a bit better then jones

[@elgisthomas8791]

And this is why ur on YT instead of a GM for a team

[@africasupreme3]

Don't forget people wanted to pay Daniel Jones over Saquon, smfh

[@ImportAl]

BIG NO on paying Tua the most, if Miami isn't 1 Seed, he's probably playing outdoors and throwing beachball-velocity screens for 3 yards.

[@Jordan5s]

😂

[@ericespinoza373]

He’s the 3rd best QB in the state of Florida

[@AmazingXpectationz1982]

💀

[@HockeyDudeJames2]

@@ericespinoza373 Lawrence is a bust

[@LKS-M9323]

Lol yall delusional

[@jabbarperry5020]

52 years as a Dolphins fan... paying top 5 money to a qb that can't win in the cold or the post season... CRAZY CRAZY CRAZY Team Shady McCoy! And don't even like McCoy.

[@dadarkknight36310]

So Marino should not got paid

[@1inchpunisher715]

​@@dadarkknight36310Tua ain't Marino 😂

[@sapchapo8351]

@@1inchpunisher715Look up Marino in cold weather games, He was the most talented but this is a Dolphins thing not a Tua thing

[@1inchpunisher715]

@@sapchapo8351 How often was Marino injured??

[@alcozar5905]

Trade him the Dolphins are like Chicago terrible when it comes to quarterbacks you better enjoy what you have. Marino is the only quarterback Miami has ever had.

[@Carters2Cents]

So y'all are all good to pay Tua and make him the highest paid QB but not D4K 🤔

[@Bigotes1775]

Paying Tua will set back my team. Tua is not a franchise qb. Tua added his name to the list of failed QBs from Marino.

[@champ2233killad]

Dak had the type of talent that Tua has now in he's 2nd year were as Tua had to not only wait til year 3 he ALSO had to overcome a potentially career ending injury while ALSO playing behind one of the weakest offensive line in the NFL. Let's also not forget the AFC east has been a stronger division also.

[@Carters2Cents]

@@champ2233killad Sucks for Tua

[@champ2233killad]

@@Carters2Cents this is a dumb useless reply fr

[@dssorley4174]

I really think next man up argument is horrible for the game

[@shofiulrahman8988]

It’s horrible but it’s the reality especially when it comes to QBs. Realistically there’s only 10 QBs that are franchise QBs. If you don’t have a top 10 QB, you’re going to almost certainly not be in the playoff hunt. So because of that you need to pay them because you don’t have a backup. You can lose any other position and the impact of that loss won’t be as much as a franchise QB

[@user-bk6uu5hu6o]

@@shofiulrahman8988and even some of them aren’t worth it like Jared goff

[@shofiulrahman8988]

@@user-bk6uu5hu6o he’s worth it now, but I get what you’re saying. It’s just how it is with QBs. With WRs only the top 3-4 will be getting “next man up contact” and that’s because the difference between the 6th best WR and 20th Best WR isn’t that large of a gap, whereas the gap the between the 10th best QB and the 20th best could be 7 wins.

[@jordanwatts9419]

Shady talkin bout how bad he was two years ago. Can we not act like Tua can't improve? I more agree with Jo, its just the nature of the game until the next QB gonna be highest paid. Lets also not act like decent QBs are everywhere in this league and its easy to find a replacement

[@ExpandingCounsciousness]

Next man up is the most ludicrous argument for a pay negotiation ever. If you can't consistently do your job to the highest level you don't get the right to command top dollar.

[@hansphilippe7250]

I know Tua’s not all the way there yet but given his work ethic and how much he improves every year . I’d pay him

[@burst1172]

Paying tua like this would be hilarious

[@whitneycooke713]

The only people talking trash on tua are uneducated media voices and dumb fans. I've been a dolphins fan since marino and this by far is the best qb and team I've seen put together. No question and for people to trash him like this just shows how far from reality the fans and media are. Blame Tua for all the dolphins short comeings 13 starters out and the 31st pass block win ratio o line vs pat mahomes and his number 1 defense. PLEASE DOLPHINS FANS WATCH THE GAMES OR SHUT UP.

[@curtisdunn7112]

Hilarious Tua fans

[@guiseppejacobs2357]

@@curtisdunn7112they’re always in denial

[@TuatagaloaTeo]

Well said

[@jrcrit8843]

Lmao look at this tool fanboy crying over Tua on the internet. Are you Tua’s daddy or something? Jerking him off that much ehh

[@robertschoelerman7496]

What was ruas excuse before that if he don't have elite players around him he can't win the QB should elevate the team the team shouldn't have to be leave the QB that's the problem if tua don't have great players on offense he can't win against good teams period his over all record speaks for it self not a dolphins fan but do watch a lot of football tua dint pass the eye test Josh Allen had half his team hurt and look what he did last season QBs lift there team up

[@5609802741]

This the only time shady and joy don't agree is when they talk about the dolphins 😂😂😂

[@chucknagy5616]

Did Acho just call Stafford non playmaking, timing QB? He is a big armed gunslinger who is not a runner but mobile enough to move in the pocket to throw it down field. The reason the Rams traded Goff for him is they need more playmaking than Goff could provide.

[@finzblazin]

Fans gettin limbs amputated left and right from that Chiefs game and these comments talkin bout him losing in the cold. That game was beyond cold.

[@therealgoat98]

All due with respect but can shady also bring up who hurts was before he had to work on his mechanics, can he also bring up how he’s only been healthy 1 full season or how he looked without last years offensive coordinator. Tua is the next man up and that’s how it works.

[@JoseRamos-sv6cl]

Dak still waiting on his check

[@demonslayer-ds9vo]

Shady is biased af. He just has his favorite players.

[@juancamilovelasquez6212]

Hurts had a great post-season and Superbowl, Tua won't ever perform like that, when it matters the most

[@elgisthomas8791]

​@@juancamilovelasquez6212 didn't know losing the SB made it a best post season

[@jrcrit8843]

@@elgisthomas8791did you watch the game tool. Hurts played great in that Super Bowl minus the fumble. Had more post season success than Tua.

[@ShaqsBlurryVisionNetwork]

😂😂yeah shady heard “Tua is better than Pat” instead of “he had his best season ever”

[@ronc6927]

No actually shady was in awe of the fact that acho had the AUDACITY to imply that tua is the reason why Tyreek hill had a career year. I am a die hard dolphins fan and completely agree that if we plug in an average QB with the system we run along with the pieces we have he could be just as if not more successful than tua because of tuas lack of arm strength

[@ronc6927]

Tua is most definitely replaceable but unfortunately due to our lack of production over the last decade you have to stick with tua because ON PAPER he is playing a huge part in our success at this point so unfortunately he is going to cap strap the team for years to come and we will not be more than maybe a wild càrd team as long as tua is the QB of the Miami dolphins

[@elgisthomas8791]

​@ronc6927 Funny then why did Teddy and Skylar fail it?

[@elgisthomas8791]

​@ronc6927 the extension lowers the cap hit. Ur gonna have to pay a QB like this because it's the MARKET

[@gr3415]

​@@ronc6927then you're not very bright 😂

[@thelaseringtrespiker4006]

as a dolphins fan i believe in tua getting paid but not at the pivotal top of the market. he’s a certified top 10 qb so his pay check should represent such, simple.

[@FAFOMGENT]

Tua not being able to play in cold has nothing to do with Tua honestly it’s a team situation but soul searching for a QB is crazy when u have the most accurate qb in NFL numbers don’t lie give him his money he’s got better every year plus not no more qbs out there

[@carlosmoncada5535]

Tua gets the most hate it’s ridiculous 🥱

[@jrcrit8843]

Aww I’m sure your mouth can make him feel better. Be sure to zip his pants up before getting off your knees

[@Icanthearyouatall]

Definitely don’t it’s definitely Lamar Jackson but I can say that all quarterbacks of color get hated on and it has nothing to do with football

[@byronsmith3152]

@@Icanthearyouatall Just top. You look foolish here. Mahomes is the most loved QB in the NFL. Lamar just won the league MVP. You want to talk about a QB that gets hate, Brock Purdy is his name.

[@staceylee7957]

It’s not hate…he’s just not top tier, why should he get top tier money?

[@brendanroy452]

Acho, you missed the point where none of those coaches payed top dollar to system QBs. You absolutely don't pay Tua. You dont pay a guy who needs so many pieces around him to perform. You need to pay those other pieces.

[@guiseppejacobs2357]

You do pay Tua you just don’t pay him top dollar. He needs what jarred Goff got for now and maybe u look to trade him if someone becomes available. Kinda like the deal Kirk cousins just got

[@gr3415]

What's the system? I'm curious 😂

[@Boogywoogiehimself]

Tua’s not a bad QB, Shady bringing up his success prior to McDaniels when Coach Flo didn’t want him there and our offense had absolutely no weapons. As a Dolphins fan my only gripe is our postseason success and against better teams especially. I feel like in a lot of those situations McDaniels was also getting out coached as well. The team as a whole needs to make the next step but Tua is definitely the biggest factor for us to win.

[@africasupreme3]

You got to pay the system around Tua. The WRs, the coach, doctors, the weatherman etc

[@chevblake92]

Why big tummy shady doing Tua like this? If Tua don’t throw the ball good to Tyreek does he get the yards? Tua is just as important to Tyreek as Tyreek is to Tua!

[@whitneycooke713]

Lol so funny how people are so against tua. What has joe burrow done. O yea hes not been healthy the last 2 years. No hate his way. And Herbert what a joke hes done nothing except loose games. People are so dumb it hurts. The dolphins in the playoffs with 13 starters out. I would love to see the qbs winning playoff games with 13 starters out o yea they lost to kc at home with the number 1 defense. It's just a joke the hate he gets.

[@johnhickson1095]

Burrow went Super Bowl in year 2

[@champ2233killad]

​@@johnhickson1095 Yea he also had a team with a good amount of talent on it too. Let's not for get Tua spent his first 2 years throwing to UDFA, UFL players, and Devonta Parker while also playing behind the WORSE offensive line in football.

[@johnhickson1095]

@@champ2233killad burrows line was horrible too but he still make plays and he is mobile. Stop making excuses you got it or you don’t. Burrow has moxie and doesn’t need to be coddled and told he is a good player to believe in himself

[@johnhickson1095]

@@champ2233killad and Parker was a jump ball specialist. Tua doesn’t excel in the vertical passing game. I can’t even remember last time he threw a “jump ball” because with Fitzpatrick he went off because Fitzpatrick understood Parker’s strengths. That is real quarterbacking

[@champ2233killad]

@@johnhickson1095 You just lying 🤣🤣🤣 DP is theoretically a "jumpball receiver" but he's NEVER had a high contested catch percentage in his career, on top of that he's rarely healthy. Joe played behind a bad offensive line (still had better defensive and offensive talent than Tua did), and let's not forget Tua had 3 OCs in 2 seasons.

[@Archangelmychel]

You sign Tua for as little as possible for the next 2 to 3 years, but you do sign him.

[@andrewsdew7439]

Did Acho say Stroud isn't a playmaker???

[@jays8664]

Joy been telling us all year we have to see a body of work but says tua should get paid for one good season😂😂😂😂.

[@champ2233killad]

Wouldn't that constitute as a body of work?

[@davoneallen4014]

If my team was going to make Tua the highest paid QB in the league I would be upset. He can’t lead a team when the talent is not elite.

[@theGQX7]

They argued to not pay Lamar Jackson, a former MVP and playoff game winner, top QB money, but say Tua deserves it. Highest form of hypocrisy in this segment

[@Marcus30547]

If we have to have home field throughout the playoffs to win games then we have the WRONG QB wtf.

[@andrewswing9917]

Nobody likes road games. In the NFL 89% blacks. Since, 1997, 76% of black athletes have admitted to not wanting to play in Denver and in Philadelphia because of oxygen tanks. Just to give you knowledge you didn't have.: Not just professional but I believe only middle schoolers like road games 🤣🤣

[@VP20001]

@@andrewswing9917of course players don’t like playing in the cold but they still perform Tua did not perform well at all

[@elgisthomas8791]

​@@VP20001yea let's not count his 2 lineman out out the 9 out on defense..totally all Tua's fault..

[@guiseppejacobs2357]

@@elgisthomas8791kid watch the games please, defense was actually good despite injuries especially in the redzone they weren’t an issue. Tua could barley complete screen passes and was not spreading the ball all around the field like he should’ve

[@elgisthomas8791]

@@guiseppejacobs2357 defense was good vs the Titans? Allowing Levis to score at will? I watched every game..The entire team is at fault.

[@DRINKNaCOLD1]

Not saying Tua deserves top money but Shady saying processing and throwing on time is the easy part about being a QB is wild lol… that’s the number 1 reason why super gifted players don’t make it

[@legorovers9838]

to be fair throwing on time is not difficult when u are literally never asked to play out of structure. the hardest part of being on time is identifying who to go to. ive seen tons of times where tua just throws it to tyreek no matter what lol

[@kipp6138]

Great to have Dave back on consistently lately. It’s a good change of pace/style from time to time.

[@ineedhoez]

😂😂😂😂😂!!!! Shady had me crying!!! He is right though. Tua needs to take a team friendly deal.

[@fwkira864]

Joy looks like that one image, where the lady says "We can do it"

[@jmf9888]

Rosie The Riveter? Lmaoooo

[@fwkira864]

@@jmf9888 yes

[@Mysterio-hk9gj]

Tua Making anything above 40 Million Per Season would be a Crime . 💯💫✨🌟⚡🔥💥😶‍🌫️😵🤔🤨

[@gr3415]

Thinking you have the slightest clue to anything football related is criminal 😂

[@Mysterio-hk9gj]

@@gr3415 I know more about paying NFL QBs than you chump . Go ahead Genius , Pay this Tin Man Tua 60 Million per Season and see if he lasts 5 Games or more without getting smacked in the Head again with Concussions . Then watch the Dolphins Roster be Thinned out because of this Albatross Tua Contract . 🤦💯🤨😵🤔🫣🧐🤯🚨

[@nathanrice5636]

Shady will never understand that quarterbacks will always get paid for regular season wins it’s the only way you can get to the playoff

[@tonyd7582]

It’s great that they all gloss over that with these salaries getting as high as they are it’ll be really hard for people to afford to go

[@arturoreyes5220]

As a dolphins fan I think Tua needs to prove it this year and no qb should be making 50mil when they haven’t won a superbowl let alone a playoff game.

[@yahcrack]

Who are we to say what someone deserve? We aren’t writing the checks.

[@kaaaiga]

Welcome to sports talk TV. If you have been living under a rock

[@jackoneill1336]

Every time I try to give this show a chance I instantly regret it. Making Tua the highest paid QB is insane

[@mariotubin]

Y'all, this doesn't have to be discussed cause of what Joy said; Next man up. Two words: Ryan Tannehill. If he can get the 'bag', then yeah... give him the money!

[@tychildofthemosthigh4394]

Trust in the Lord Jesus Christ he is our only hope, just repent and have child like humble faith God bless!!!

[@user-ts2jr5mf9x]

Amen

[@jamesyates4319]

Child like humble faith? So , gullible.

[@timothycortez3007]

Cj not a playmaker that’s crazy yea my boy buggin

[@roderickburrell2060]

People keep acting like you "win with mobile qb's" the last 5 Super Bowl winning quarterbacks- Patrick Mahomes, Matthew Stafford, Tom Brady, Nick Foles, and Peyton Manning. The only one of those who could be classified as a mobile qb was Patrick Mahomes, and he is an excellent pocket passer as well. Also, it doesn't matter that Brock Purdy was "Mr Irrelevant". The scouts obviously got their evaluation wrong just like Tom Brady was taken in the 6th round. You aren't finding Tua's replacement in the 6th or 7th round.

[@TeamConnors]

Shady keeps saying that Tua was at the bottom of the barrel… but I don’t think that was right. Tua’s offensive line was bottom of the barrel. Tua’s head coach was bottom of the barrel. Tua’s offensive playmakers were bottom of the barrel. (Except for Waddle, who Tua fed to break the rookie receptions record.) Tua elevates players.

[@felixolivares9129]

I am a bills fan please pay Tua...

[@Oxilus_B]

😂😂

[@LKS-M9323]

You do know yall done right?😂😂😂

@LKS-M9323 they owned the dolphins and that will continue. Lol

[@LKS-M9323]

Lol, they got some wins, but the video footage of Josh Allen crying and getting burped like a baby on Tuas shoulder will always be around. And that reign is over fam. Hope you enjoyed the ride it's gonna be awhile 🤣🤣🤣

@@LKS-M9323 again they owned the dolphins . 6-1 the last 3 years 😂😂 let me know when pillow thrower tua wins the division lol. Tua 1-7 career vs the dolphins including a playoff L lol.

[@Coco-qz7fn]

Famous last words .. we pay him because thats the next man up thats what we do.. ummm no lol

[@africasupreme3]

Shady saying Daniel Jones shouldn't have never gotten paid is opposite of what he said last year, smh

[@AyeGreggyy]

My thing is if he don't believe tua is a top 5 QB. Who were the 5 QBs better than tua last year? Tua was literally in the conversations and had considerations for MVP and offensive player of the year. Make it make sense... 5:45

[@user-zm7de7ec7d]

Tua is the 20th best qb so...good luck with that

[@knowa745]

Yeah the 20th best QB is the guy who led the league in passing yards and completion percentage and was top 5 in most other categories

[@user-zm7de7ec7d]

@@knowa745 do you know what yards after the catch is and how they can inflate a QB's passing stat?

[@knowa745]

@@user-zm7de7ec7d Tua was second in yards per attempt, Mahomes, Purdy, Dak, T-Law, Goff and Stroud are a handful of QBs who had receivers with more yac than Tua’s

[@KELAY24836]

Stop the cap😂 tua top 12. Top tier.

[@user-zm7de7ec7d]

@@knowa745 You just listed off 6 quarterbacks who are all better than Tua. If you think Tua is worth 60 million, you would be fired in two years if you were the GM.

[@quintinbracamontessital4525]

No, Tua, wich is a really god QB, with a really good team, top WR, great Coach, still can't beat good to great teams, I understand this show is pro player at all cost, sometimes too much and with no real arguments.

[@theliverpoolking2259]

The only knock and criticism Tua should get is the playing in cold thing and really that's a Miami thing overall. Been an issue for us even before Tua T got there. Even in Marino's hay day.

[@SayDatShiii...]

Tua led the league in passing yards.. the current highest paid Justin Herbert didn't even make the playoffs be serious..🤣🤣🤣

[@quintinbracamontessital4525]

@@SayDatShiii... You need to be serius, Herbert is no the highest paid QB. still have over 30 TDs and almost 5k yards more than Tua, who has only 2 more more wins with 2 top 10, maybe top 5 WR, in a waaaaaay, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better team and HC. Yes Tua has leess games, so even after been beat down, Herbert has play more, is more durable; both have same play off record.

[@elgisthomas8791]

​​@@quintinbracamontessital4525yeaaaa lets not talk about the fact that Herbert had talent around him since he entered the league..Name Miami's starting 2 WRs in 2020 without Google

[@S.Tua.Thousand]

So on one hand, Shay complements McDaniel and Shanahan for identifying and coaching talent.. but then disrespects them by telling them they shouldn’t stick with their vision?? They consider FA’s and trades year-round like every other team and they still choose their QB. In Miami’s case, it produced the #1 offense. That roster just improved more than people realize. Making a change and jeopardizing that momentum would be silly, considering the available alternatives. So stop taking about Mahomes because he’s not available.

[@MixMaxim]

“don’t forget who tua was before mcdaniel and tyreek arrived.” so are we paying tua for who he was with little to no help or for who he is right now with his current team? that don’t make sense at all.

[@randomupdates4013]

I’m not an Acho hater but the balance undeniable. Joy is a good moderator but so so panelist, so helps her skill utilization when is moderator. Dave brings a journalist skill, stats and can talk positional scheme and draft/trade analysis. Shady and James different personalities but former players to bring personal experience. 🔥

[@miamiman24]

Shady was off on things dogging on Tua for his first two seasons, which Tua still had a winning record and close to playoffs. Tua didn't ball out because first, his rookie season he should've been red shirt. He was still healing from his serious hip injury. His throwing didn't seem to come to form until his third season. The offensive line was horrible Tua's first two seasons, it was ranked near last his second season. They had no rbs. PS guys basically. He had parker and nobody his rookie season which parker spent most of his time on IR anyway. His rookie season he had Waddle but that's hit because parker never could stay healthy. Horrible o line still, no run game and a coach that didn't support him at all. It was something people were waiting to see if and when Tua actually had some protection, some wrs and an actual run game and coach that will work with him And look what happens, he actually gets talent and he goes off

[@VP20001]

@@miamiman24get off your knees

[@PeteZam]

lmao, tua isnt even worth 30 million a year. he is literally the reason they will never win anything, and they will be nothing but a bunch of break dancing regular season champs that get bounced in the 1st round of the playoffs every year. this is one of the dumbest questions this show has ever asked

[@elgisthomas8791]

Funny..til he got there..they haven't made the playoffs in over 20 years..but yell us more you seem to don't know

[@khaleel9508]

@@elgisthomas8791 Lies

[@champ2233killad]

​@@khaleel9508He's literally telling the truth. Does Tua "deserve" 50M+ per year? No. I'm a Dolphins fan but I'm a football fan first so I'm not being biased but Tua is the next man up. In a perfect world Tua would take a deal that 43-48M per year BUT realistically he doesn't have to. Imagine he doesn't get a deal done and he has a undeniable MVP season (and don't say its not possible cause it'll be obvious hate to say that considering he was a MVP candidate up until week 9 or 10) then Miami finds themselves in a hole bigger than they already are in

[@kinggeorges5491]

Y’all be hating on Joy but she has great takes and literally makes sense.

[@LeaveItToTheWolves]

Need to get Tua paid whatever it is to get him extended so they can get Waddle, Phillips, and Holland extended. Those are 3 core players and Tua’s contract extension will go a long way in freeing up the cap room to extend those players. Sometimes one contract can get done to benefit the team in terms other ways.

[@sonseed7541]

Nah, he chokes in the playoffs over and over, especially in the cold.

[@brandonguido933]

He’s played one playoff game and it was the 3rd coldest game in the 100 year history of the NFL lol

[@brandonguido933]

Pretty sure your thinking of Dak son son

[@freddygaulman5493]

​@@brandonguido933lol always about dak

[@BigKahunaKai711]

lol so Allen chokes over and over then 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@SayDatShiii...]

@@BigKahunaKai711 and over and over and over and over..

[@Oxilus_B]

I could of sworn Skylar Thompson (3rd string QB) almost led the Dolphins to a playoff victory over the Bills in 2022. Fast forward a year later and Tua got blown out by the Chiefs only leading the offense to ONE TD. Definitely not worth highest paid QB money.

[@Journeyhvac]

How many starters played on the offensive line, where was Chubb , Phillips, that team was devastated with injuries

[@LKS-M9323]

Skylar did his thing for sure but comparing that game to the other doesn't fit. 2nd coldest game in history players got burns and sick and all the skill positions were injured.

[@Oxilus_B]

​@@Journeyhvac Tua was sacked only 21 times in 2022 and 20 in 2021 seasons and still got hurt. Burrow was sacked 51 times in 2021 (superbowl appearance) and 41 in 2022 (AFC championship appearance). Burrow only played in three extra games then Tua did in both of those seasons. Tua gets no offensive line excuse because he rarely gets sacked.

[@elgisthomas8791]

Correction..the healthy defense did and Buffalo had half their team out..go read Skylars stat line guy..Remind us how many TDs skylar scored vs the Jets that same year..

[@gr3415]

​@@Oxilus_BBurrow has had 3 season ending injuries in 4 years 😂

[@jessimong7690]

Did shady forget that Tua only improves every year since being in the league they dolphins have had 4 winning seasons since Tua. Like the Tua hate is ridiculous

[@blackcat513358]

If you advocate for Dak, you should advocate for Tua. Dak is regular season Tarzan and post season Jane. And he's had loaded teams.

[@Lloyd28]

Post session Jane 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@DC4L1991]

Nobody advocates for Dak, stop with that nonsense.

[@blackcat513358]

​@DC4L1991 Lol. You sure about that? I hear these same people say you gotta pay Dak ALL the time. Most say that and a few don't.

[@Niall404]

Tua is Jimmy G 2.0

[@HybridEA1]

Jimmy was never as good as Tua. Not even close

[@JediTiga]

​@@HybridEA1He's played in a super bowl, unlike Tua

[@terryb3102]

for NFL QB's, when it comes to compensation, you do not get what you deserve, you get what you negotiate.

[@joshprout1726]

Why does every next qb need to be highest paid? Especially with no track record to back up and justify that much money? There should be mid tier pay level for QBs like Tua. Or make the contract very incentive based. Playoffs and even Super Bowl wins is when the huge money hits the bank account

[@glazarus1985]

Shady just loves to hear himself, Tua was never a bottom QB. He had a coach actively sabotaging him, what was Josh Allen before Diggs? What was Jalen Hurts before AJ & Smith? It’s a team sport, no QB has ever won a championship by himself. You put Mahomes on the Browns with no Andy Reid he’s out of the league by now. It takes the right combo to win, you get a good combo you ride it until it falls apart.

[@francisikwueme1688]

$150m/3yrs fully guaranteed makes sense and fair and if he proves himself in 3 years give him an even bigger pay day

[@Archangelmychel]

17:03 what about halfway through the season when Tua was number one in the MVP race?

[@jeanguerrier3101]

Remember we saw other QBs when Tua was out. The Dolphins offense was terrible.

[@malikmobley5466]

Shady be sounding like a hater. Reek had his two best seasons with tua but it’s reek making tua better 😂😂😂

[@Understandme44]

The issue is no matter the talent the next qb to sign will always get high salary then the previous signee. It’s crazy. Look how Kurt Cousins keeps fleecing teams with guaranteed money and hasn’t won anything yet 😅

[@eddurriii8214]

Shady getting mad n pointing out how he’s getting paid for one year but props up Hurts for doing the same lol

[@KCocteau15]

Tua is a year or two from being a starting backup.

[@elgisthomas8791]

Womp womp

[@TuatagaloaTeo]

What are you talking about ...he had a hip injury the first 2 years. He had lead the league last year in passing yards. Top 5 in every QB category...Ran a high-powered offense... Quit whinning.

[@Guccifinesse]

A starting backup 🤔

[@LuisRayLewis]

4 years - $150 Mill, 50 Mill Guaranteed

[@DJEASE]

Tua hasnt been the same since he went to San Francisco and faced that defense in 2022.

[@d8l835]

You're right Shady. Even Nathan Peterman would throw for 5k yards if he had tyreek and waddle.... Its crazy that giving your qb weapons is looked at as a crutch now....wtf are we talking about anymore?

[@iraislandii5092]

Love this show.

[@TyBless]

Shady you buggin.. not just any QB can do what Tua does... Stop hating.

[@bowenmarquis]

You can’t use the injury argument because burrow has missed just as much games as tua

[@DrobeTV]

DAVE IS WHAT THIS SHOW NEEDED LOVE THE GUY

[@ooty2071]

Skills apart, I wonder how they don’t talk about Burrows injuries just as much. Dudes missed 2 full seasons now

[@trashastrash9722]

tua had a coach try to get rid of him and was in and out with different coordinators before mcdaniel got there. he did fine and was a winner. remember how the dolphins look without tua