Shadiversity DESTROYS lies of archery critics with FACTS and LOGIC! Reply to NUSensei & Ian Coote

For those people who cannot detect irony, the title of this video is a MEME. But with that out of the way, this video addresses the LIES of archery elitists and gatekeepers regarding shooting on the right side, or outside, with a medieval longbow and replies to NUsensei and Ian Coote.
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[@sweetlifealley]

Archers: argues over left side vs right side Crossbow men: da fu*k they doing over there?

[@Strawberry-12.]

Musketeer: there is only one correct answer

[@BotSlayman]

Slingshot shooter: what if both sides the same?

[@Strawberry-12.]

@@abdulkarimelnaas7595 spearman: pokey stick

[@sweetlifealley]

@@Strawberry-12. how would it change, if the bow was thick enough to have a hole in the center of the bow, so that the arrow can be shot through the middle? (probably a dumb question, but a fun fantasy question, got the idea from the Minecraft bow animation)

[@Strawberry-12.]

@@sweetlifealley I was talking about on which side to shoot a musket, because if you shoot a musket (flintlock, I’m not sure about matchlock) the flash would go off in you face and cover your face in soot. I do think the hole in the middle would be cool

[@BreandanOCiarrai]

Coote & Company: "It's impossible to shoot from the right side of the bow and you're stupid for trying." Me: "Um, yeah. Sure." *pegs another deer while firing from the right side as he has done for nearly four decades* "Seems to work just fine for me, but I shoot prey in the wilderness to put food on the table, not targets in a controlled environment to stroke my ego, so what do I know? I'm just a dumb plebe who doesn't understand the nuances of Elite Archery."

[@TommyTheCat83]

This comment needs more likes. Breandan, you should go-pro your next kill and post it as a reply... it would prove it true.

[@dmelson7502]

Snark and Truth tied together into one beautiful statement. Today sir you win the internet...

[@kittogashi8561]

Wait, you're hunting with warbows? Full-on Welsh style?

[@gadlicht4627]

Curious, is that how you learned it? Was it self-discovery?

[@roboman2445]

Most people shoot left man, I've been bowhunting hundreds of time, never seen a single person shoot right but I'm not sharing you can't or you don't, if you do props to you man. Most archers shoot left though is idk why anyone wouldn't do it the way majority does but whatever floats your boat

[@buenoloco4455]

This is over 1 hour video. Yet someone summarized it for me like: Meanwhile in medieval age: Apprentice: "Should I put the arrow on left side or right side?" Teacher: "If you can hit the target put it in you ass for what I care ." Fucking Legend...

[@elderscrollsswimmer4833]

If I were a king or noble and this left vs. right arguement was going on -- I'd organize an archery contest to see which one wins.

[@peachtree2579]

@@elderscrollsswimmer4833 if I was a king or noble I would tax the peasants double for not getting along and extend there field hours.

[@Simon-ho6ly]

Think it might depend somewhat on the situation... like one on one instruction where limited tradition and like "thats how i do it, thats how you will learn" while armed masses for warfare would be basically "whatever as long as it gets arrows downrange"

[@IxionAC]

This isn't even a left or right argument. This is a 'don't say something is impossible or incorrect when it is completely possible and isn't any less effective' argument.

[@timhartherz5652]

If it works for you and lead to an adequate result, no one has the right to tell you that you're doing it wrong. Sure, you might be able to improve your technique somehow or archive better results using another technique in certain circumstances, but that doesn't make your method wrong.

[@lovingdragon6528]

I shoot it on the right, simply because I taught myself and it was easier for me to load. Never once had a problem with shooting. The first Archers weren’t worried about tradition with left or right, they shot the bow to hunt, to survive, it never mattered to them.

[@koreancowboy42]

Good, keep it up, don't follow the dumb train of people defending left side and saying shooting right side is wrong. You shoot on which way is more comfortable and easier for you. I plan to buy my own bow and training myself to shoot it aswell.

[@martinnielsen5851]

The warbow is'nt shot with a quiver, but with arrows staked in the ground. This tells you All you need to know.

[@andrewh1113]

@@martinnielsen5851 Quivers where attached at the waist or leg not the back.

[@andrewh1113]

@@koreancowboy42 The correct side is the right side. It is called right because it is right.

[@defalttheloner]

I just started the video and seeing your comment and thinking about what they probably said is just absurdly boring to think about " bla bla bla this is the only way cause bla bla bla " looks like twitter for archers and that's is hell on earth

[@JagEterCoola]

Shad after his surgery has like 300% more energy and frankly that scares me.

[@zatoby6705]

He is slowly becoming a god. I think he's even also lost weight.

[@Santisima_Trinidad]

@@zatoby6705 A he has lost weight, partly due to not being able to eat properly after the surgery, and B just wait until he gets the nose surgery done. Suddenly he'll start fireing arrows that hit targets behind him, circling the entire world to do so.

[@LoliMaster69227]

I know right.

[@spyrofrost9158]

The gods bestowed the blockage to restrain his power.

[@adarkwind4712]

Lol

[@rikkisan1]

Who would have thought that something as simple as shooting a arrow from the right side of a bow would cause so much unnecessary drama

[@ShadowsOfEssence]

Try living in Texas and ordering a steak well done. People are fantic about stupid things.

[@EdgyPuer]

To be fair if you like well done steak you don't deserve respect

[@gre8]

"Who would have thought that something as simple (...) would cause so much unnecessary drama." Well, it is 2020 after all. If people don't do everything with unnecessary drama, are they doing anything at all?

[@ShadowsOfEssence]

@@EdgyPuer thanks for proving the point.

[@genobreaker1054]

As a child, I shot off the right side of my bow. Granted it was a compound bow with an ambidextrous grip and arrow rest, I was just holding the bow upside down. But it seemed NATURAL to shoot on the right, you can't tell me Medieval grunt archers were trained in modern target shooting rather than put down a field from a hay bale and told to get their grouping smaller.

[@blackfang0815]

The "can't shoot instinctively" argument really confused me, personally. I can't play piano instinctively, that doesn't mean it's impossible. I never took piano lessons and have never practiced. I see people trying archery the "right" way and having all the same problems with arrows falling off, string hitting their arm, and missing easy targets - because they haven't practiced archery. Trying new things is hard.

[@AverageAlien]

No, shooting instinctively is a style of archery, it doesn't mean picking up a bow and winging it

[@AverageAlien]

@Trenton use a gun then, If you're gonna cheat. Bow hunting is only fun If done with a traditional recurve

[@cyberkat4267]

Hi Shad. Seems I'm late to this topic but here's what I would have to say on the matter.. I'm a native American of the Huron tribe from eastern Canada. In our folklore & traditions our clans were actually taught and encouraged to shoot both ways.. left for hunting when pin-point accuracy was needed to ensure the kill as to not waste the opportunity of a prey. But in war time, they used right side for faster notch and for horseback archery, cause weaving the arrow through was near impossible due to the motion of the horse. Now I do not personally have physical evidences (text & artworks) as our family has always kept these tradition from oral education, however I'm sure we were not the only ones. Suffice to say that both style are viable and offers pros & cons but as stated each were used to specific endeavors. Now I know it's not from medieval times and definately not of European origins but I just wanted to clarify that right side style is definately NOT impossible or unlikely.. they are just different techniques for different goals. Love your channel, keep up the interesting content ♡

[@galactica0433]

Supposedly the Chieftan Geronimo boasted being able to fire 10 arrows before the first hit the ground. Archer Lars Anderson proved this feat was possible.

[@Garret007]

That's one of the most interesting things I heard recently and it makes sense. Thank you for sharing :D

[@edhenn9934]

Thank you for this! I love studying history, and this is some awesome information!

[@jonahhopkins573]

I would’ve said, maybe some people know about right side shooting and others didn’t, but this makes much more sense. Right side is fast side, use it in wartimes. In almost all the art of people shooting arrows in medieval time are art pieces of war.

[@Laryon720]

thank you for the output !

[@Neljosmusic]

As somebody who has held a bow maybe 5 times in my life, this entire argument feels like a person saying people shouldn't write left handed because 90% of the world writes right handed

[@Rakerong]

LOL that's kind of what I think it feels like, too. I'm sure that there are proper ways to handle certain weapons, but people are different and there may be all sorts of deviations in history. Some to accommodate personal preferences, or overcoming a handicap perhaps? Or some people are just used to doing something a particular way that feels right to them. The left/right argument just feels like the whole left handed/right handed arguments.

[@diplocephalus]

Technique is important when handleing any kind of instrument, ofc you can accommodate to your own personal preference but at the long run u might start destroying your body, I used to play the drums and I did it the way I considered it was better for me, till my hands and arms started hurting like hell and was forced to use the proper technique (sry for the bad grammar english is not my main language)

[@AdriNox777]

True that. I'm sure there are outliers too from "traditional technique" historically and did well with their weapon. Kinda like the million ways people play/have played guitars.

[@thatguynameddan2136]

Yes, it feels entirely like that. Just "Y-you cant do it that way cause i dont do it that way! Badwrongfun!"

[@yuriguimaraes410]

And its Canon, you are evil in the medieval period if you do it

[@isaace436]

This is seriously the biggest case of gate keeping and goal post moving I have seen in a while. Every time you disprove their arguments, they change the argument. First it was impossible. Then it was impossible with a certain style of grip. Then it was "dangerous". Then it was just "impractical". Then it was only historically inaccurate. Then it was just "unlikely". Literally they can't just be humble and say they were wrong and shut up....

[@isdrakon9802]

Unfortunately most people are stubborn are best and children at worst. Even worse is that they don't recognize it most of the time to either fix it or at the least tell people they have that problem

[@ThatGuyBobby]

Cool name man

[@gbormann71]

I guess these are people that just can't stand losing face or admit that they are wrong. They then double down and cherry-pick supporting data (from the wrong sources nonetheless 🤣). They'd rather die a fool than to admit they're wrong. Some would love to let it go but painted themselves so far into a corner it'd feel very unsettling to give up their position exactly because it has become so ridiculous. It takes courage to stop the bullshitting, raise your hands and say "what was I thinking?!"

[@koreancowboy42]

They can't stand facts. Look at the eastern cultures most of them are using the right side of the bow because it works very well. Mongols known for their horse archers and cavalry. They conquered half of the world larger empire than Alexander the Great.

[@isaace436]

@@ThatGuyBobby cool name to you too :)

[@khaitomretro]

I always shot from the right. Shooting from the left feels clumsy and not instinctive. Only got told I was doing it wrong once. My response: "You can keep telling me I'm wrong but l'll keep hitting the target."

[@Stein871]

This reminds me of a chad who ended an argument between two people, one was a regular at the range and the other one was a self proclaimed gun expert and they were arguing over revolvers. The "gun expert" shut down the regular every single time he mentioned that revolvers with more than 6 round cylinders existed. Chad casually asks the "gun expert" to spot for him since he wasn't "very good" with revolver iron sights and the mad lad pulls out S&W 686 ( which has a 7 round cylinder) and makes the dummy count every single ping on the steel.

[@josiahfugal5407]

what a chad

[@yogurtofthemultiverse2200]

Yeah isn't there like 9 round revolvers even? I think that's on the high end but ik for sure 8 rounds was a thing for some

[@Stein871]

@@yogurtofthemultiverse2200 i've never seen one myself but they probably exist

[@reaperreaper5098]

​@@yogurtofthemultiverse2200 Ruger makes 10 round revolvers, chambered in .22LR, but there's no reason that can't be scaled up to .22 Magnum. Same for 9 rounders, there might be larger than .22LR models out there. Going larger calibers usually drops the count to 8 or less.

[@Sodalis_]

This reminds me of a story my biology lecturer told me. So these two scientists discovered that stomach ulcers are caused by bacteria. They informed the medical community, but they got ridiculed and yelled at, being told that, no, ulcers are caused by stress. They presented all the evidence. They showed their results. Medical community didn't care because it was believed for so long that it was indeed stress. One of the scientists eventually was like "Na I'm done" and got himself checked for ulcers. He didn't have any. Then he chugged a culture of the bacteria they were studying. Got checked again. And would you look at that, he had ulcers now. Sweet, he just took some antibiotics and he was cured again. It literally took a scientist to DRINK STRAIGHT UP BACTERIA just to convince people a common belief was incorrect despite their evidence.

[@clayxros576]

Whenever people describe scientists and the community as perfectly logical and that peer review is a good system, I point to situations like this (my favorite is John Snow and the Broad Street Pump) that are fairly modern that show a clear cognitive bias in the wider community. The number of times I've seen people go into circular logic arguing a point and refuse to break out is astounding.

[@dudemanbroguy3464]

ClayXros it’s the human ego, these people want their names in the discovery. And let alone for it to be wrong, no way someone so “smart” can handle being wrong

[@Immerayon]

@@dudemanbroguy3464 Being smart, and being humble aren't mutually exclusive.

[@nubbmarr1774]

According to the doctors my friend has consulted, some are still not convinced! Lol. New ideas are very hard to introduce when they threaten to prove our understanding wrong. It's sadly the same with all of history.

[@Immerayon]

@@nubbmarr1774 That's not how science works. It's founded on scepticism. People will attribute it to any reasonable factor, or will find another reason for a certain thing happening before they believe the claim of another scientist. This attitude is healthy for science, it helps stop the spread of ignorance and misinformation. It isn't perfect in this, but it's much better than just believing every claim you hear.

[@Haapanen12]

I wonder if in 1000 years, historians will be arguing over whether we used hokey sticks on the left or the right side.

[@UntiltedName]

Most modern hockey sticks are made of carbon fiber so it isn't going to biodegrade in 1000 years. Also, the blades are curved for left and right handed players. Though it is funny imagining somebody naively trying to shoot right handed with a lefty blade. Their shots would go way off to the side. Trad bows without a shelf are not so obvious. They pretty much look ambidextrous. Sensei usually shoots with a shelf from the few videos I saw of his. So those bows are strictly right or left handed in their design. There are countless varieties of bow designs. Many which necessitate completely different techniques. Hockey sticks? Eh, you got wood, aluminum and carbon and left hand, right hand, flex and curve and thats about it. But your coach is going to teach you to shoot the same as the rest of the team regardless of what you got.

[@joebobjenkins7837]

And whether we shook it all about or not.

[@danielwest8301]

the answer would be both

[@Zhengrui0]

@@UntiltedName took this comments way to seriously. Also, using the historical evidence of the Simpsons, hockey sticks had no curve so could be used on either side :P

[@koatam]

did we used the left shift key or the right shift key.

[@DevinDTV]

It really annoys me when someone puts a decent chunk of effort into experimenting, uncovering, or explaining practical knowledge, and the response is the lowest effort brainlessness such as mockery, dismissiveness, and/or strawman arguments. It's happened to me several times and seeing it happen to others pisses me off as well.

[@AlphaLeonidas]

It's quite common in all field of knowledge Truth is unfortunately mere interpretation

[@nafereuskortex9055]

I love how a large point Shad makes is basically "Skill issue"

[@colingarcia95]

Shadiversity: The archery community can be full of belittling, authoritative, and derogatory people. Long time archers: First time? 😅

[@michaelmartin9022]

People building a hi-fi system who asked for advice once: That's all?

[@calumbell2276]

@@gronthgronth2628 You avoid all forms of social groups within hobbies due to some people in the world being assholes, doesnt that kind of self isolation just make you lonely?

[@VonOzbourne]

@@gronthgronth2628 Sad isn't it? It's just that sort of self interested protectionism that led to the loss of the knowledge of the method to produce Damascus steel. (Yes, yes, possible trade route and supply chain issues didn't help either, but it wouldn't have been a problem if any of the old smiths would have just written it down)

[@Unkn0wnCharacter]

In line behind him stands the usual hema trainee laughting - Day one in HEMA training - "Ok, forget everything your lerned in your old HEMA club. We do things different here and dangerous half knowledge will only harm your progress."

[@daplayzmc0772]

Any community would be just as cruel to anyone with a differing view.

[@yaboikiba4302]

So, people accept the fact that swordmen used to grab the sword by the blade and bonk people with the pommel but can't stand people saying that archers might had loaded the arrow on the right side? Aight, fair enough, I guess

[@andrewh1113]

They had to due to the armor.

[@yaboikiba4302]

@@andrewh1113 Yeah, I know they used the pommel as a mace and sometimes even the hilt to pierce the armor or even grapple the enemies, but the fact that people saw that and went "Yeah, that seems about right" but can't accept that some people loaded arrows on the "wrong side" of the bow seems dumb as hell

[@casthedemon]

@@andrewh1113 a real knight just grabs a hammer in that case lmao.

[@thehuckleberry8349]

@@casthedemon The point was regular foot soldiers vs knights not knight vs knights though it most likely happened then too

[@n0wheregrrl]

It's because target shooters have their egos built up around the idea that they're the only "real" archers. That they might not be the only "real" archers or even necessarily be all that close to what was likely used in warfare at all, and that some upstart may have shown them up completely in this regard, is intolerable.

[@deanherde805]

A brilliant and eloquent dismantling of somebody who is destroying his own credibility.

[@synthwolfe8906]

I also want to add that there are many other variations of shooting. I've been banned from public ranges for my draw style as its not "safe", primarily because I draw with my draw hand wrist out, while 90% of archers draw with their draw hand wrist in. However, due to a childhood injury, it puts massive stress in my wrist to hold that much weight back, even just long enough to get to full draw, that the pain become unbearable. Until I started spinning my wrist outward. This has allowed me to work up in draw weight (starting at 25lbs, now I'm drawing 65, about to move up to an 75, as I can shoot that 65 all day without tiring), and strengthen my wrist again. But as has been mentioned, people get stuck in a rut that "this is the correct way and any variance to this is a safety hazard and must be stopped".

[@andrewtomlinson5237]

The Elven Archer in Rings of Power uses that draw... there was a lot of nonsensical hate about that show, but that one was deemed to be one of the most "genuine" because no one in the history of archery would ever do that. First time I saw him shooting like that I was straight out in the back garden with the bow, and "Holy Shit! It really does work!" I got an extra inch or so on my draw from it. Still feels a bit weird, but it works. Next time I go to a range I'm going to try it with a right hand rest, and see how many people lose their fucking minds.

[@Hatypus]

I feel like a Socrates quote sums up a lot of the "critics" here. When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser

[@2adamast]

Me too I don't call people 'loser', I quote Eric Trump and what did Socrates do for us anyway.

[@hyperion3145]

@@2adamast He gave us a cool name

[@Hatypus]

@@2adamast Assuming you mean what did Socrates do other than: Teach Plato and Aristotle, create Socratic irony and the Socratic method, lay the foundations of modern Western philosophy, and have other students that went on to continue a philosophical chain that would also teach people like Alexander the great. So assuming you aren't including those, and several things I'm probably missing as I type this before eating, he didn't do much.

[@2adamast]

@@Hatypus All that, but this 'Socrates' quote was created just a few years back.

[@Hatypus]

@@2adamast No, it wasn't invented a few years ago, like most well known quotes of Greek philosophers it has documented history.

[@mrzeebub5284]

"You can't shoot on the outside" is this decade's version of "Japanese steel can cut through tanks"

[@squirrelknight9768]

You know. Funny thing is I've never seen someone unironically attribute unrealistic magical properties to katanas. I only ever see people complaining about all those katana fanboys I've never seen...

[@kaijupants9095]

@@squirrelknight9768 I actually have met someone that genuinely believed in the superiority of the katana as a weapon in general. Like, this dude genuinely and deeply held the belief that in a one on one fight between a samurai and someone manning an MG42 the samurai would win. He was . . . odd, to say the least.

[@dark_khan2232]

@@kaijupants9095 please tell me you're making this up? lmao

[@kaijupants9095]

@@dark_khan2232 Wish I could man, but reality is a cruel mistress.

[@itashious]

1000 years from now people will unearth some usb and find anime depicting legendary battles of a man and his sword and people will think that’s how it was smh

[@galetalon3133]

I just got introduced to this concept due to a friend. I fire from either side of my bow. However, I should note going into this that I'm blind in my left eye. This will become relevant, possibly, in a moment. I was discussing this with a friend. I have a home made pvc bow and a hand carved long bow. The second wasn't made by me. A friend of mine that I used to go out hunting with enjoys bow fishing so we often get on the topic of bows and various connotations with them. They have seen me notch and would often point out that I notch my arrows funny. This isn't an entirely self taught art for me and I'd explain that it was the way my grandfather showed me. He would notch "Right" if he knew his first shot was off and felt the need for a second, quicker shot. I tend to notch based on the position of my bow at rest. If I'm still holding it upright I notch Right. If it's held relaxed and down across the body I notch left. I'm sure there are proper terms for this. I never bothered. However when showing him my home made bow he commented on it. We talked and he mentioned that there was strife in the community of whether to notch left or right. I simply asked for clarification on this and got the reply that "People assert that notching to the right is wrong." I pointed out that when resting the arrow to the right I use my thumb to keep it in place by lightly elevating it. That I didn't know what to tell him. It worked because it worked. We got on the topic of depth perception possibly being a factor due to being blind in my left eye. I told him I couldn't honestly validate or dissuade him on that. After all, I've always been blind in one eye. So can't really make an argument based on two eyes. I tend to see the world how I see it. I manage just fine from my perspective. But he wanted to test. So we spent a bit over Skype shooting. Lots of immobile targets which, for me, are a lot harder to hit than a moving one. But it was this philosophy and line of questioning that brought this to my attention. I'm genuinely surprised this is an issue. " You shoot how you shoot" is what I was taught. Then again grandfather can fire a long bow from his back. He braces it with his feet, grips with both hands on the string, then notches an arrow and let's fly. Usually using his legs to elevate the bow. To me it's an interesting trick but it works. This argument made me ponder the philosophy of "If it works, is it stupid?" I can't fire with my freaking feet. First time I'd ever seen something like that. And sadly the old man is now dearly departed so I can't ponder further with him on it but I do know he considered it showing off. Nothing more. His view was "Make sure you can use a skill you develop." So to me it's rather silly to say you can't do something that people do all the time. Sure, being blind in one eye might have some influence on this. But if not, then why is this such an issue?

[@ordinarybro1241]

I didn't even knew putting arrow on the right side was "bad". I just kept doing my thing since it worked, and I was hitting the targets.

[@akifaiman7388]

Shad: tried shooting from the right and actually can The entire archery community: wait that's illegal

[@madhatten00]

and yet you shoot from the right if you do kyudo :/

[@jsn1252]

@@madhatten00 It's my understanding that the different grips used by different styles of archery effect which side is the "proper" one. Something about how the string, fingers, and shaft interact.

[@DimIsHigh]

This pretty much sums it up. I have no idea why Nu and his whole fanbase are so triggered by this thing.

[@lancepage1914]

@@DimIsHigh simple answer. They are elitist. Their opinion of techniques is absolute based on their own empirical research. It's their way or the highway and they teach their pupils this too. Just like any other high level sport.

[@yeetman1344]

Larz Anderson destroys this

[@Im-Not-a-Dog]

Lol "If the arrow falls off during a left side draw, youre doing it wrong, but if it falls off during a right side draw, then the draw has fundamental mechanical and technical issues."

[@Riokushinaku]

Listening to NU say that was obscenely infuriating.

[@thenexus8384]

If anyone tells me this im gonna beat them with the bow

[@buenoloco4455]

Meanwhile in medieval age: Apprentice: "Should I put the arrow on left side or right side?" Teacher: "If you can hit the target put it in you ass for what I care ."

[@thenexus8384]

@@buenoloco4455 i love this reply

[@Im-Not-a-Dog]

@@buenoloco4455 _In Narrator Voice_ "And thus, the Frankish Bung-Bowman was born."

[@timothywright778]

The fact that I didn't know anything about archery prior to watching this video, and yet I watched the whole thing, is a testament to how entertaining and knowledgable you are. That, and your style of being mature, gracious, and logical. You can take that as high praise.

[@RuralRootsLiving]

When I was little I saved up for a recurve bow. I went to the archery shop and the owner was super nice and helpful. He helped me find a bow I liked and he let me shoot a few arrows from each bow until I found one I like. The first time I drew the bow I drew with the arrow on the right. The man immediately told me i was wrong and the arrow needed to be on the left side. I just looked up at him and asked why. The look he gave me can be easily summed as, you gotta a point kid proceed.

[@RaidenHeaven]

-Here are my historic sources. -Sir, these are from yesterday. -Yesterday is history.

[@skoniramont]

...tomorrow is a mystery, today is a gift, that's why it's called the present,...

[@luciafrau125]

My thought exactly lol

[@kovenmaitreya7184]

I don't know anything about archery but I listened to the whole thing. Does that mean I'm officially part of the Shad cult?

[@thomnasilikeswordfighting5506]

Welcome!

[@FNPetersen]

I've never forged my own sword, nor built my own castle, but I have read and enjoyed Shadow of the Conqueror.

[@kovenmaitreya7184]

@@rifftamson4394 On it. I shall find a forge first and foremost (already working on becoming a mechanic, sooo this should be doable lol)

[@greywolfwalking6359]

Koven Maitreya nope... You've been in " tine" toooo long! Could not watch more than 5 minutes of this prattle n will not sit thru such drivel with anyone! He talks like a used car salesman ! I'm oooouuuttt! CCC YYYAAA!!!!!!!👍😎👍!!!

[@pRahvi0]

@@rifftamson4394 Funnily enough, I seem to qualify... although the book is only the e-book. And the sword is a decorative item I forged in the middle school. And the castle is in Minecraft. But I assume those details can be overlooked, since most importantly, the castle has... MA! CHI! CO! LATIOOONS!

[@kylerstorm9260]

In 1995, I was 10 years old and was a Boy Scout - we learned archery and it was 100% on the right side of the bow (or left for a left handed shooter). My mind is blown this is even a debate.

[@NateTheScot]

When i learned, the fibreglass (or something cheap like that) bows we were taught on only had the plastic arrow rests on one side... left for right shooters, and right for left shooters, so i learned to shoot with it on the left, but since i heard about the "debate" i tried a bit of shooting from the right just using my extended thumb as a rest, instead of my knuckle (on my practice barebow... my recurve is set up for shooting from the left side only since it's not ambidextrous). Didn't really take much practice to get used to it. The biggest difference was just having to try and adjust my aim point hugely since now it was going off the right side instead of the left, and since it's a cheap practice bow i used to use as a teen in our woods, with my regular arrows, they're not balanced for it even remotely, so huge archer's paradox issues. But even with all that, it doesn't take long to adapt, and with a properly balanced bow and arrows i assume you'd probably be able to shoot it from either side reliably and consistently, if you had a good aim point.

[@AverageAlien]

You learnt wrong then. It works on both sides of the bow equally

[@hugoboncar]

Never thought I'd watch an hour and a half of beef over how you shoot an arrow, when I've never touched a real bow in my life. It was still interesting and informative though.

[@shiro703]

Theology debates:❌ Abortion debates:❌ Political debates:❌ Debate about wether you can shoot a bow on the right side:✅

[@dylanezell295]

the best part about this is that i cant shoot a bow on the left side because i can only use one eye and it is impossible to aim when the bow is on the right side for me its honestly not bad

[@moviemaker2011z]

There doesn't need to be a debate for abortion, its obvious that it's morally and ethically wrong. No debating that. As for the arrow on left or right I always thought the arrow was shot from the right side, this is the first time I'm hearing that it's not.

[@arhael3594]

@@moviemaker2011z Morality and ethics are subjective, so a bit dishonest to say there is no debate.

[@moviemaker2011z]

@@arhael3594 no, there is no debating abortions whatsoever and i can not stress that enough there isnt a moral or ethical scale to be tipped here, its murder and nothing more. i can see the possibility of the ever so rare case that the mothers body cant have the child or it will kill her but those cases are so rare its basically a non-issue, say somewhere around 1 in every 1 million abortions are actually due to this problem. the fact of the matter is that abortions are wrong. there is no sensible or justifiable means for performing it. theres a reason why most if not all doctors that perform them are ones that LOST their medical license either due to malpractice or literally people who couldnt pass the tests needed to be a doctor in the first place. dont even try to defend murder.

[@arhael3594]

@@moviemaker2011z We are debating right now, so you are proven wrong as we speak by saying there is no debate. Which would make you more sad? Stepping on a snail or stomping a kitten into a pulp? Feeling of empathy and compassion are targeted to beings that have consciousness: ability to experience life and have feelings. Snail is a rudimentary organism solely driven by instincts. Kitten is a much more developed being, it can have advanced feelings and experience life like we do. Fetus before third semester is a conscienceless organism, it cannot feel or experience life, nothing matters to it, it is hardly different from a snail in terms of its ability to experience life. You attempt to equate it to murder is quite frankly absurd and incomparable to killing a fully developed human or animal for that matter. As of ethics, open map and find out where abortion is legal or illegal. Abortion being legal is part of ethics of every modern civil society. Only shithole countries with backward thinking and lack of human rights still have abortion legal. You choose to value human life in any form and shape. Sure, your belief, your prerogative, you have the right for that. But it's all subjective thinking, your opinion does not have authority nor objective merit. People will have different beliefs and that's why people will disagree with your stance.

[@DZ-1987]

"That car is wrong! The steering wheel is on the wrong side!" Bloody sodding hell... how do you raise a person to be like this?

[@kolamoose8717]

JoeRingo118 saxophonists In high school bands

[@Tfin]

@JoeRingo118 Hey! ALL good bands have flautists. Why are you attacking Jethro Tull?! XD

[@aarroncross3801]

@@kolamoose8717 I personally had that experience with Trumpet players rather than Saxophone players

[@olesams]

The car is the perfect example though. A Japanese, Australian and British person would draw the steering wheel on the "wrong" side from my perspective.

[@omfggala3913]

@@olesams Yeah but that's not saying that people don't use it on that side. and if say a British person was drawing lets say an american road (with cars) this would be a thing to try to get right. its like in a tv show i saw the Police officer holding his hand behind the slide of the pistol, obviously if he fired that the slide would hit his hand and probably jam. it makes you realise that the Director and actors have no clue as to what their doing with guns. if you paint a picture of an american city and everyone goes WHY ARE THE AMERICANS DRIVING ON THE LEFT you realise the Painter has no clue as to what hes doing, so this is one of the details you try to get tight. and nearly everyone who was asked to describe a car could "HELP I'VE BEEN AROUND CARS FOR YEARS AND I HAVE NO IDEA HOW MANY WHEELS THEY HAVE!"

[@syalem]

It's crazy that I watched 1 hour of this video even though i don't even like archery that much.

[@robertocatrone715]

Hello Shad, it's been 2yrs. since i saw this video of yours for the first time. I had to watch it again just for the humor and passion you put into it. Like you i get in a twist when someone acts like a authority when they're completely off the mark. This bit gave me a chuckle, because there's so much more of this guys ridiculous self righteous attitude today in every category. I hope you well. Looking forward to your next video

[@TravelerZ24]

"Attack the argument, not the person" some of the best advice I've ever heard

[@hunghung9537]

Actually that is the first sentence you need to know in debating, especially if it is in politics, science, etc.. Other like culture, historical may be some what a little bias here and there.

[@scourgi5274]

It's like the age old advice of being kind to people and brutal to institutions. You can just replace institution with argument in this case.

[@rafaelcastor2089]

Two other great ones are to "Accept your losses" and "Know when to leave. Not everyone is going to accept their losses". Saves you a lot of time and effort on the long-run, and keeps you away from frustration or helps you deal with it when it does happen.

[@gamelandmaster3680]

That almost no higher-ups do.

[@sebastianriz4703]

I got taught that lesson in 9th grade. Oh yeah, School doesnt teach kids shit anymore. Whoops

[@triangulum8869]

“Shooting on the right side is impossible and stupid” Left handed archers: 👀

[@ajcsinclair]

Kyudo (Bishu Chikurin Ha) archers also raise an eye. Then go back to meditating till everything is settled again.

[@Malamockq]

That's a really bad argument. Left handed archers hold the bow with their right hand and span the string with their left.

[@wonniethepoop7856]

@@Malamockq your argument is bad too. Left handed archers hold bow with a hand which is opposite to their primary eye. Also, there is no correlation between handedness and hand strength. I'm left handed, but my right side is stronger and I can't aim with a weapon on the left aiming line (don't know how to call it).

[@Malamockq]

@@wonniethepoop7856 No they don't. They hold the bow as I described. Strawman fallacy, I never said there was any such correlation. You're an idiot.

[@Kevin-jb2pv]

I'm right handed _AND_ blind in my right eye. _EVERYONE_ hates the way I shoot.

[@matthewjardine8719]

Shad thanks for talking about this I used to love archery but stopped doing it because people would tell me I was doing it wrong when I was very young I didn't know that other people even used the right side so thanks perhaps I'll try it again.

[@mikeh6109]

Man I've got mad respect for your level of tact, and conviction, and respect, as well as your principles and personal conviction.

[@pougetguillaume4632]

Shad *gets angry, loses his composure and starts saying mate* Me: oh yeah i forgot he was australian

[@kylethomas9130]

When he said Bonnet in reference to the car part as well.

[@Micky_D_B]

He also said damn.

[@seanthompson367]

Aussies can tell the aggressive mate.

[@Stettafire]

@HYSTERIA MCR Depending on where in the UK you're from "love" can also be used in the same way. Especially if it's a woman talking to another woman xD I prefer mate for my passive-aggressiveness. We also say car-bonnet :)

[@TheFiReLoRd777]

Dude draw with jazza is his brother lmao

[@gammafighter]

53:12 "When the arrow is on the right side and the arrow falls off, it's an inherent flaw in the method, not a flaw in the execution. When the arrow is on the left side and the arrow falls off, it's a flaw in the execution, not a flaw in the method." That's some pretty dense cognitive dissonance.

[@Jrez]

Yeah talk about a double standard, sheesh.

[@jonreno4389]

Nu Sensei seems to have narcissistic tendencies...

[@NWolfsson]

Argument for shooting at the right: You have a thumb. Seriously it may have been a huge advantage for beginner archer at the time, not having to fumble in order to keep the arrow on your knuckle... (Also NUSensei says that the arrow can be deflected by the thumb... It's not like most modern elite archery bows had the arrow set in a crease that may or may not do the exact same as your extended thumb rather than having a smooth shaft... And those are SUPPOSED to be the most accurate!)

[@munkiemedia3323]

I just keep thinking “I loose on the right” but then I am left handed so that is my inside of the bow not the outside.

[@teaser6089]

@@jonreno4389 He really does, he sounds like a prick

[@KamuiAlmighty]

As someone who's never shot a bow in his life, I always thought that the "correct" way to shoot the arrow was on the right side of the bow. From just a logical standpoint, I think shooting the arrow on the right side of the bow makes the most sense. It's much quicker than threading the arrow through the string and bow (as is done on the left side), and as Shad mentioned, the extreme precision wasn't needed in medieval warfare. It's just my gut reaction. I would have *never* thought to do it the way that it's "supposedly" done.

[@SinStar87]

reminds me of the invention of jogging "No you're running wrong, got to heel strike, it's the natural way. you'll have to train yourself to be natural" then you destroy your legs cause it's wrong and need special shoes the inventor of jogging just happens to sell.

[@mihailhadjiev2872]

-Mommy, why is daddy yelling at the camera again? - You wouldn't get it

[@zefa6093]

Van Ivanov an opinion supported by a mountain of lies and withhold information

[@therevanchist1123]

A lot of this just comes down to the way people see the world today. “You are allowed to have an opinion, as long as it doesn’t go against their beliefs.” I find it frightening how people have completely reverted to pure tribalism, and have completely shut themselves off from entertaining new ideas and concepts. This is a general statement that applies to almost everything now. This line of thinking if you can call it that just stifles innovation and creativity. If you don’t give yourself room to fail, then innovation becomes an impossibility.

[@michaelguenot6177]

Jay Laforge Tribalism between people with bows? This can only end well.

[@ranaoblivious2122]

Now this is a word from a very kind, thoughtful and wise person. Or at least I want to believe it be

[@M.M.83-U]

Today? Humanity was allways like this.

[@pillager6190]

@pierre persson I'm going to need to research this intriguing concept.... hmmmm

[@masonponton3077]

A, FRIGGIN,MEN MAN. HOLY CRAP SO TRUE!

[@canyonmoon3850]

Thank you, finally someone does broad research about archery styles. Especially with short and recurve bows, the arrows were kept in the off hand, loaded between the fingers. Using a bow without an arrow shelf your able to fire arrows far quicker off the thumb (or right side as shown in the video) most cultures besides the latter European styles of archers used this method. There’s plenty of books and manuscripts about the subject. one In particular is a book about one of the chiefs of the Cherokee who could shoot eleven arrow before the first hit its target. Also different styles of Mongolian horse archers and many others shot from the right side

[@hockeyinalabama]

This is great! I love that this is a incredibly spirited argument over something as...trivial is the wrong word....maybe esoteric...or maybe nerdy...as whether medieval archers put the arrow on the left or right. It brings me joy.

[@BornStellar-yp5st]

Longbowman 1: Hey dude, lets switch it up a bit. Longbowman 2: Switch it up? LBM1: Yeah, like, lets try sitting the arrow on the right side instead of the left. LBM2: Woah bro, I like to live on the edge but that's just crazy. LBM1: Yeah but like, when the enemy sees us, they'll be so stunned by this technique that they'll be too busy criticizing us to realize we've already planted arrows in their skulls. LBM2: Lmao, you're right bro. Only idiots would think shooting it from the right side would be near impossible.

[@pillager6190]

My laughter woke my boy up! Thanks

[@anxiousearth680]

Doesn't horse archery has the arrow on the right with a thumb draw?

[@travis3571]

@@anxiousearth680 ya, but I think the thing they are arguing is when it's done with a European draw technique. Things like Mongolian Horse archery is usually done with a thumb ring so it's a different hold and release technique

[@dahelmang]

It seems like you should shoot with your dominant eye or hand. I'm right handed and left eyed, so I shoot left handed.

[@Spectacular_Insanity]

@@dahelmang I am also left-eyed and right-handed. Makes shooting really awkward sometimes. I end up just closing my left eye because I don't have the coordination to switch hands. :P

[@tods_workshop]

The most important thing is to have an open mind and accept that we don't, can't and won't ever know for sure. History is like having a 1000 piece jigsaw with you having between 1 and 200 pieces. With 200 pieces you can get a good idea of the picture, but little more. For me putting the arrow on the right is madness, but of course it would; I have put it on the left for 45 years. Did they do it? Who knows. Artwork supports it, it shows arrows on both sides. Of course it can be unreliable to use this as solid information, but when you see it again and again........This takes me right back to point one. Be open, don't shut others down and accept that whatever your opinion is, it can NEVER be stated as fact, not on a topic like this and Shad has an open mind.

[@shadiversity]

Thanks heaps Tod and totally agree with your comment, very true. We probably will never know for sure, all I can say is that it's possible and effective, which simply means this style might have been done in medieval times, I personally think it was but I won't be stating that as an absolute fact going forward, because as you mentioned, it's simply my opinion of the past, not a definitive fact. Cheers mate and all the best!

[@Chroniknight]

Well put both of you!

[@WortexCZ]

I have put it on the right for 35 years. Like our ancestors - provable from about eleventh century (Certainly much earlier, but i say: provable) until the time, when in middle Europe expanded big archery competitions. Not "nobody knows". Provable. Every child (More precisely: every child at the time I was a child. So more than 30 years back. I don't know anything about today's kids.) knows that when shooting from the right is to set up an arrow easier, faster and in the case of riding horse even basically only possible. Respectively - only possible if the shooter wanted to be in battle more than just target. And no one is arguing about it. No one doubts. It's just a fact... Therefore, this video and information discussed in it seems to me totally unreal! I can not wonder more, what's there to overly argue.

[@rem700vtr]

@@WortexCZ personally i think that holding the arrow on the right, obliges you to have the bow as vertical as possible, therefore you have to be standing (or be on a horse)! Holding it on the left, permits you to incline the bow therefore to crouch. This is more handy in forests for hunting etc etc... ( i shoot from the left, always have)

[@Santisima_Trinidad]

@@mortenjacobsen5673 I thought king James (it was A James right? Or was it one of the Henrys? Can never remember the timelines). Said for his troops to kill all the French knights before the battle, rather than capturing them. Maybe I'm wrong, but I seem to remember hearing that before. Additionally, from what i have seen, learning how to shoot to a standard that the majority of your shots hit a human sized target on the right side of the bow is no more difficult than learning how to shoot to that standard on the left side of the bow (which I gather is a relatively easy thing to do, if you have the upper body strength for it). Also, do you mean the arrows bounced off target dummy's (or other targets which imitate a unarmored human torso) or bounced off of some form of armor/solid target, because arrows tend to bounce off the latter when fired from the left, which could put a small hole in your argument.

[@remnantryku7112]

When I got my first bow, I felt the need to shoot the arrow from the right side over my thumb because I wanted to "line my eye with the shaft." Eventually, I did find that drawing and firing from the left was more comfortable, however when it came to moving targets running from my left to my right, I often fired with my arrow on the right.

[@carllightowler6670]

Id also like to add, while as a literal newborn archer I have found Nu's videos very helpful, when it comes to medieval history, im definitely siding with you shad, being a longterm viewer of your content.

[@Thor-Orion]

So you were born about a year ago?! Your English is fantastic!

[@ColoradoStreaming]

I am a big fan of Nu as well and see where he is coming from in some of his arguments. He really cares about archery and helping people.

[@t_c5266]

people normally: an hour and 20 minute video? man idk. people in quarantine: QUEUE THAT BAD BOY UP

[@Leotheleprachaun]

Longmen normally: only an hour and twenty minute video? Longmen during lockdown: *ONLY AN HOUR AND TWENTY MINUTE VIDEO?!*

[@Leotheleprachaun]

@@dreyn7780 thefuckyouonaboot?

[@Malkontent1003]

@@dreyn7780 M8. I think it was a joke? Also, CAPS LOCK is apparently DIFFICULT to turn OFF. XD I'm just teasing, don't worry, but seriously, maybe if youth is wasted on the young go find another audience to banter with. Best of luck!

[@sirrabbitthered8496]

I'm glad to see another T C in the chat

[@Malkontent1003]

@@sirrabbitthered8496 Hahaha. Clever. XD

[@nightfall89z62]

In my high school gym class we had an archery module. During that module the instructor stated quite plainly, that the now should be Shot and loaded in a way that is comfortable to the wielder and he described both ways of shooting, inside and outside from both the right and left handed perspective. That was in 9th grade, 16-16 years ago.

[@potato-yo1dv]

Well which is it, 16 or 16 years ago?

[@nightfall89z62]

@@potato-yo1dv it was supposed to say 15-16 years ago. As in 15 or 16 years ago. I'm 32 now, I was 31 when this was posted.

[@potato-yo1dv]

@@nightfall89z62 lol, I'm just teasing. I do think it is interesting that some experts understand people should do what works best, and others are very focused on a single "correct" way

[@TripleBarrel06]

I had an archery module in high school too, but the only things we were told was how to string the bow, and not to shoot each other. In his defence he was the Soccer coach, not an archery teacher.

[@ravenouself4181]

@@nightfall89z62 That Instructor deserves a raise

[@nerdyempress6745]

My dad had a bow and arrows 🏹 when I was growing up and I often practiced with it in the ash down forest in Sussex. We practiced on the right side. It’s easier to quickly mount the arrow on the right. You notch it onto the string, hold it in place, lift, aim, pull, and release. Easy. I can’t believe this is a thing to debate.

[@teliosausdenwaldern1033]

I did archery for quite some years now. Im still learning new stuff. And i love to try out new techniques. I shoot on the left side, because i have learned it that way. I would even do that in combat that way, and in close combat (10m and below), use a sword. But i also say, that if other people do it different, and it works ... that is pretty cool. And i see no reason, why people in the middle ages wouldn't have put the arrow on the right side. I think both ways to shoot are valid. If you need high accuracy, for example because the enemy is 50m away, you use the left side (if its more accurate). If he is closer, you use the right side. Just do it the way, wich suits the situation best. There is not THAT ONE WAY to shoot. In the german military for example, the sniper instrucors have a saying: "the success prooves the shooter right." Conclusion: as long as you hit your target reliably, you do it the right way. Good video btw.

[@Duranous.]

“When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say.” - George R. R. Martin

[@RowbotMaster]

I've heard it said differently but never with a name attached so you might be more accurate

[@Duranous.]

@@RowbotMaster It could be miss-attributed, I just did a quick search because I didn't want to use a direct quote without siting

[@SonsOfLorgar]

@@Duranous. it's a quote G. R. R. Martin used in his books, but he isn't it's orgin.

[@gideonpedari9881]

Ok, when shad said “Please don’t attack NU personally, if you have a problem with his arguments, attack his arguments” I just had to pause the video and go THANK YOU cause seriously, that’s a lesson all of us need to learn. Thank you shad for being so gracious and respectful (also I love your videos)

[@raifthemad]

The thing is, if someone keeps up the same shitty behavior(misrepresenting) and doesn't change that behavior from just being pointed out to him, verbally repremanding that person should be your next step if you want them to change. Unless of course you want him to keep popping up as an issue every time you veer into their area of interest?

[@raymondwiggins354]

Two years and shadiversity's style of debating still holds up nicely. It should probably be taught even.

[@Elenheru]

I just got this on my update feed, watched the whole thing and then just realized I am watching it 2yrs late lol. Great argument, good presentation. thank you for the vid! sorry I didn't see it 2yrs ago

[@theveganwujeeta]

"Don't argue with stupid, they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience" - The Internet

[@racoonlittle1679]

Not necessarily by the internet, although I have heard it from a friend before. This deserves more attention.

[@theveganwujeeta]

@@vanivanov9571 Did you actually watch the video?

[@theveganwujeeta]

@@vanivanov9571 So, you have no actual understanding of context? Being that his frustration was with how he used the source. You've also claimed you carefully watched the video and contradict that claim immediately after by showing a blatant disregard for the arguments made you stated " I wrote a full-length rebuttal of his many, many lies. A fun one was when he blew a gasket for Nu using a source from 1515" If your example of a "lie" is that someone got mad, you're an idiot. That's coming from someone who doesn't give a damn about archery, I just care about decent arguments. Another important factor that is that even in the event that Shad was to insult this guy, that doesn't invalidate any argument he makes, it would make him an asshole, but being an asshole doesn't make you wrong. That'd be a genetic fallacy if you tried to apply that reasoning so I'd suggest avoiding it. I suppose it's always easier to claim the opposition is a liar rather than accept fault

[@dakotamartin3119]

@@vanivanov9571 And Nu Sensei doesn't avoid interacting with him. They have talked alot in emails

[@Warutteri]

@@dakotamartin3119 Shh 🤫 The NU fanboy didn't come here to listen to reason, he came here to regurgitate stuff NU has said... I mean he clearly either didn't watch the video, didn't watch it attentively and carefully enough or simply lacks the intelligence/knowledge to understand what is being said in the video... Sorry if I was a bit mean there, just fed up with the guy, seen his comments in a couple comment threads here and he clearly isn't here to have a debate or a discussion but to regurgitate his already held opinions and blocks out any logical arguments that do not support said opinions...

[@williamberne]

Paul Harrell: How to spot a fake expert, rule number 1: Someone who loves to say "There is no such thing as..."

[@MrPibb23x]

I am so glad Paul and Shad both know how to quickly and efficiently clap back.

[@PhilBagels]

I don't remember who said this, but I've always remembered it: If a scientist tells you that something is possible, he's probably right. If a scientist tells you that something is impossible, he's probably wrong.

[@tsumikiayato1560]

It’s impossible to win The Game unless you never heard of The Game

[@chaserose5127]

@@tsumikiayato1560 You... You sneaky boi...

[@thenecrolept]

Very appropriate quote from a good channel.

[@enhancdreality]

This is the third old video from this channel that cone up in my recommended feed since Shad made that video about declining revenue! It was extremely rare i would get recommend an old video and i watch every single new video on this channel. This can't be a coincidence.

[@thefallenonelucifer6]

I love how he says that it can't be possible yet a lot of traditional Japanese archery actually shoot from the right side and put their face off against the bow and turn their head before shooting even though the bow is as big as them they do it because they can draw all the way back

[@jbrizzle4725]

You don't draw back on a Japanese bow, you draw down and out using your back muscles.

[@AverageAlien]

@@jbrizzle4725 that's still drawing back lmfao

[@jbrizzle4725]

@@AverageAlien no it's not, Western bows primarily draw backwards with one arm, a yumi isnt drawn as such but opened with back muscles equally separating the tsuru from the dou.

[@antonioyeats9595]

Who would have thought archery could be so controversial 😂 Like which over dramatic anime did these people fall out of?

[@Akhen.]

okay best comment, had a giggle

[@bigredwolf6]

Gun owners: First time?

[@theredfox22]

We fight over the things we value

[@Dracarot]

Heck, the whole hot-blooded vs cold-blooded dinosaur debate was controversial among paleontologists back in the day and things got quite heated between paleontologists. Humanity has a knack for finding things to be passionate about and then arguing it to death with others passionate about the subject.

[@Johnnisjohnnis]

Tsurune.

[@Yulfyr]

Ian Coote : "As I've said before, I'm not in the slightest bit interested in your opinion of me or what you think of archery." Also Ian Coote : Comments on everything Shad posts with sentences that obviously shows his pride and ego is being attacked.

[@dangerdan2592]

That guy was an ass. I hate mods that act that way. They get a tiny amount of power and then their ego gets the better of them. He made himself look bad.

[@corymcinnish1516]

Ian Coote: Keep it clean *insert derogatory name calling here*.

[@serketenglish5963]

Ian Coote is a piece of work. Gatekeeping is just wrong. Even worse when the gatekeeper is hypocritical, and suffering the world’s worst case of self serving denial.

[@koreancowboy42]

Peeps like Ian Cote don't deserve such admins power. I've met acouple people like those and whenever they don't admit to being wrong and crap. I just legit make an essay of how many times their wrong and how they been proven wrong. I event shown pictures from.beginning to end of the argument and conversation to make it a fact. He couldn't say anything except "are you an admin? No? Good" Like bruh some people don't know when to chill the fuck out and no one gives two shits about pride and ego. Which is why I say owners or modders are stupid at times and shouldn't live if they act like that

[@danielmorgan9544]

I've had the feeling of someone "gatekeeping" me and it's rather annoying. Good on you for multiple points including the punching with the vertical fist aspect. I have been doing martial arts for 10 years and I see multiple styles that have punches that align their hand this way. Not that we always punch this way but it's in our arsenal. I've actually experimented shooting a bow with the arrow on the right and it personally bothered me so I stopped. I might go back and give it another go just to see if it can be more comfortable. Lots of points you raised that I had not considered while I was shooting longbow so I'm glad I gave this one a watch. Keep being awesome good Sir!

[@ihcterra4625]

The one thing I noticed is that Nate said noobs torque the arrow off the left side of the bow when learning to shoot from the left side. Then they have to learn to correct that. My point is, if it is so natural to torque the arrow to the left, shooting on the right side of the bow would not only be more natural, it would make it easier for noobs to learn how to shoot.

[@BarokaiRein]

Military And Sporting Longbows Page has been made private now by the way. Lol they really took gatekeeping to another level with this one.

[@NoFormalTraining]

It seems to have vanished altogether as of this point. I saw this video coming up on my recommendations and decided to give it another watch and decided to go and take a look, and they seem to be gone. I'm sure if this Ian Coote was in overall charge of the page and decided to close it down, or if someone else was in charge and decided to take the page down, but I get the feeling nothing of value was lost.

[@dumchican]

Showing 300,000 people that someone was wrong on a public facebook page will do that.

[@RyanRad01]

They do realize that they’re playing with sticks and string, right.?

[@stanisawzokiewski707]

This is just what is going on with all face book and twitter groups. They see ads for things that make them feel like they are brilliant and smart so they only get feed from one side. Then they see how large the base is and think yeah, we are completely true and no one can prove us wrong. Speaking to like minded people, then shows how wrong they are since they only see the beauty on one side of the fence, and never turn their heads to see the equal beauty.

[@elias_xp95]

What would be funny as a scenario playing out is those gatekeepers in a war getting killed by an arrowshot in a style they claimed to be impossible. No i'm not wishing death on them just pointing out reality doesn't care for your opinions, if it works then it works regardless of your belief.

[@yuhihe]

I just watched 80 minutes video about shooting arrow from left or right side of the bow when I've never done archery in my life.

[@AxelVb]

Same

[@SojiroEX]

Same. Except literally once with a cheap bow at the Renaissance festival.

[@jmarch_503]

I shot bows a few times going to all white church with me being mixed me and my bro and one black guy but besides indoctrination was fun . it don't surprise me people levels of ignorance knows no bounds.

[@SolomonDragon]

I just joined the club. 😀

[@huyenly7603]

...I didn't even notice it was 80 minutes. 😳

[@ravensharpless]

This is cathartic. Forum elitism has got to be one of the worst and most destructive things to creativity and passion. When I started my craft I has come from the world of car forums, the whole time I was learning I was so careful of these kinds of people only to eventually ask "where are they?". The people enforcing these over inflated extreme unachievable standards where nowhere to be found, only people that were genuinely interested in what I was doing and some that would give me critique in a friendly fashion

[@Nat1videos]

I don't know anything about Archery but I do enjoy someone passionately putting across their opinion with conviction. These days everyone is just friendly and nice ... fair play for constructing well thought through arguments and putting it out there with gusto ! Enjoyed the video :)

[@stack5774]

Me before the video: "Bit of an exaggerated title there, DESTROYING huh" Me after the video: "It was not exaggerated"

[@SoI_Badguy]

@@mortenjacobsen5673 Are you one of the reddit guys?

[@youareallbots7536]

@@mortenjacobsen5673 The toxicity of your own reply immediately invalidated your complaints about toxicity, also the statement of "reading is a lost art" is one of, if not, the dumbest things I've ever read. Edit: Also you never provided any evidence as to how this video was "lies and rant" which is terrible grammar by the way.

[@youareallbots7536]

@@mortenjacobsen5673 Alright, I'm not going to attack your spelling, but please tell me you see the irony of saying people don't read things and then having terrible spelling. Anyways, read the first line in the description of this video then actually watch the video because I know for a fact you didn't with the points you're making. I don't doubt the archery community is toxic and never stated as such, was just pointing out the fact that you have a toxic energy especially considering how the second line of your reply is essentially, "Have you read the comments" You are commenting several times talking about how this is a bad video and you still have yet to provide any evidence to support your own claims. In the end, I hope you have a good rest of your day stranger from the internet, while I don't agree with you I hope you can see where I am coming from with my arguments.

[@rainynight02]

@@mortenjacobsen5673 Shad went over each point individually and discussed why each point was incorrect or a lie. Either you don't know what logic means or you're just trolling. And I would assume you only watched the first but of the video seeing as only in the first bit going over how we got to this point was "debate decorum" mentioned. Everything past that is, well, logic and evidence. He's passionate and annoyed so that somehow discredits everything he says is idiotic at best. People can be angry and correct just as they can be angry and wrong.

[@youareallbots7536]

@@mortenjacobsen5673 That moment when the person you're arguing with doesn't respond to any other criticism besides the spelling one which was the smallest one I had. Pretty safe to say I think I've won this argument, you seem to refuse to respond to anything I say as legit criticism of your arguments. Good day to you.

[@A_Moustached_Sock]

Man the battle between left and right Twix got intense

[@TheDeinonychus]

I honestly always thought it depended on what side you drew the arrow from, and was done for speed more than anything else. If you draw from your right hip (assuming your holding the bow in your left hand), you'd place it to the right of the bow. If you drew from the left hip or from over the shoulder, you'd place it on the left side of the bow. Purely so you didn't have to move the arrow around the bow and thus take more time.

[@WillsBeard]

I've thought about getting into archery and honestly the biggest thing that puts me off is the difficulty in finding bows that allow ambidextrous use. It doesn't matter if i an right handed or not, i don't want some random manufacturer deciding which side i will notch an arrow

[@Dreymasmith]

Albrecht Durer, known for his accuracy in his drawings, and for his careful observation of the world around him, shows the arrows on the right in numerous drawings and prints. Two off the top of my head - the Four Horsemen and St Michael Fighting the Dragon. While rabbits jousting on snails may not be taken seriously (and I think the artist concerned would have been disappointed if it was - it's a visual joke), Durer's observations should be taken seriously. And if Durer were alive now I think the accuracy of his car drawings would be highly regarded.

[@tobi_n]

Inspired by you I just went through a Dürer reprint catalogue and I found 5 images with archers in it. In one the archer was asleep, so no results here. In the other 4 the arrows were on the right side. The only difference here was in two images the arrow rested on top of the thumb, the same way Shad shoots, and in the other two cases the arrow rested between index and middle finger.

[@MrTheGameNarrator]

From experience in other groups. Admins are often the ones with the weakest and fragile egos. If they get proven wrong they take it as a personal attack and then simply berate the person because they can't stand the idea that they've been upstarted on the very page they run

[@MaliciousMollusc]

Can confirm this as fact, lol.

[@BlackTempleGaurdian]

As a former admin in my youth, can confirm.

[@TheNetterRiese]

it's true, I felt it myself. I thought I was an expert at a certain topic. My friends told me what I was saying wasn't true, I tried to belittle them because I learned it in uni and they didn't. Then I realized that I was wrong and felt absolutelly terrible. Your ego gets so blown by your dissolusional believe in supirior education, it's crazy.

[@SirSpence99]

Can confirm as a "head admin". Like herding cats that treat a funny look as though you are trying to kill them. (Also the tendency to flock together when someone is "hurt" even when that person is being stupid and overly sensitive.)

[@chuuzu]

This is 100% the truth.

[@IIBloodXLustII]

I was taught basic archery in the Boy Scouts as a kid. They didn't teach which side to shoot on, they taught to shoot which every way feels comfortable.

[@shougaijin]

Oh man... Shad... It would seem that I'm a couple of years late to this video but I loved every minute of it. Good job.

[@xXCORRONXx]

"Tradition encourages dogma" A-frickin-men, Shad. As an avid martial artist I love watching those videos, also I chuckled when Nu said you dont punch in a vertical fashion, and immediately you brought up Bruce Lee

[@cesaralejandrohernandez4840]

I only took one month of martial and one of the first movement they thaught me was a counter attack to the ribs after deflecting a punch by punching in a vertical fashion

[@robharwood3538]

Bruce Lee: Probably one of the earliest proponents of modern competitive 'mixed martial arts' with his Jeet Kune Do, the form without form.

[@FranciscoTornay]

Even funnier: Lee got that punching style from Jack Dempsey's famous book on boxing as self-defense, where he argues (very convincingly and adding diagrams) that punching with a vertical fist _improves_ your alignment and mades your structure stronger (line of power), particularly if you're not using gloves. It makes also easier to keep your elbow from flaring out. This page expands on the idea, adding Dempsey's original diagram and an example from art Greek: revgearsports.com/vertical-straight-punch/

[@morgulusthetrollslayer6672]

Hi Shad, I'm from Russia, and I'm a member of historical reconstructors club (actually, only few club members are true reconstructors, most of us just having fun with swords, bows, spears etc.) Watching Your videos and how slow was our club's archers were, I decided to tell them about right side shooting. And it really helped them to grow up their shooting speed, thanks You a lot! (Sorry for my language)

[@condor-yz6bo]

Your English is better than many native speakers.

[@luckycries2683]

7 months slow on that roast but your right and your English is pretty good.

[@cerb1221]

you sound like a native, friend

[@sergeyyagelskiy8141]

Хороший у тебя англ, бро. Не парься. Реконструкторам привет.)

[@sleepier9433]

Morgulus comrade your English is very good

[@tonyspencer692]

Good video, great debunking evidence, and all delivered with passion. Good on yer mate!

[@BloodCross74286]

Lesson to learn here: If you don't know, just say it so. There's nothing with wrong not knowing everything, but it's just so wrong to misrepresent something to establish a stronger foothold in a community. This is the internet. There's always someone more knowledgeable than you, and will eventually call you out and iron out the facts.

[@shadfacts6465]

Shad Fact: Shad participated in a disc throwing tournament, so far three four forests, two cities, and one mountain have been destroyed. His second throw should cinch the compition.

[@BlackTempleGaurdian]

He's gotta stop using pummel instead of discs.

[@cliche_5860]

*ArMsTrEnGtH*

[@laden5568]

This seems like a topic to further *discus*

[@bigernbladesmith]

Still waiting on the insurance check. Shad do me a favor, throw it in the opposite direction this time please.

[@Katniss218]

Pommel throwing tournament lmao

[@lukeskywalker8543]

I see through the lies of the critics, I do not fear the opposite side of the bow as you do!

[@jacket6213]

Master Skywalker. Lend us your wisdom. Will there ever be Good Star Wars movies in the future?

[@karlvincentdispo316]

@@jacket6213 Probably not tbh

[@SuMaSLo]

@@jacket6213 maybe a decade or two after Disney let it drop. So about 2350

[@Coty_Lee]

Wrong Skywalker

[@Killerbee4712]

@ALSO-RAN ! Cant tell if this is satire or not

[@thewickedjester7495]

I've seen people shoot bows with their feet, who gives a flying fuck how you shoot a bow as long as you can actually hit the target

[@Macovic]

Keep up the good work and enjoy yourself. Thank you for great contributions on youtube.

[@BlutigerTroll]

Shoots bow differently. "Hey this works. Interesting and cool, isn't it?" A few loud people: "Wait, that's illegal. How dare you."

[@MrProthall]

A few loud people in their heads: "This bastard didn't give up on experiencing new things like I did. He might make me look like a fool. TEAR HIM DOWN."

[@crwydryny]

and this is the very reason that even after more than 25 years of archery, and 30 years of martial arts I stay away from those communities. toxic doesn't begin to explain some of them. "oh you don't do things the same way I do, that must mean you're doing it wrong," heck I've even had someone complain at me about being "too agressive" with a sword during a demonstration because I treated it as a weapon not a fairy wand. (needless to say that guy's head was so far up his own faecal excretion chute that not many people in the organisation liked him lol) this is one of the good things with people like shad, metatron, skall, matt ect, they at least are open minded enough to look at other ways of doing things, sometimes they find those things don't work for them other times they do. and that's how we progress in life, by experimenting and trying new things and seeing if they work. for example when shooting my bow, I don't draw the string back but rather I push the bow forward with my body weight while holding the string in place. I've only ever met one other person who did it this way until I taught a friend how to do it (due to an injury that made it hard for her to draw her bow normally)

[@TysonDylan0]

"Because the string is gonna hit your arm" is the funniest argument. Leather gauntlets and other wrappings for the arm exist and have existed (i assume) for as long as the bow has

[@johnmarc1986]

It's still bad form for the string to constantly impact your arm as it throws off the accuracy of your shot.

[@koreancowboy42]

Most eastern archers avoid this by doing a slight twist in the wrist so that way when they shoot and loose their arrows. Check out this movie called War of Arrows a good one to check out how they used recurve bows and shooting the right side of the bow without issue of string slapping the arm and without the arrow falling off the right side. Don't give me the excuse "oh because it's a different bow!" No no. It's like saying "hey that's a different gun so it should be used in this kind of way" Edit: and also the fact people like Ian Cote are delusional admin/modder is outstanding how dumb people are when they can't accept their wrong. Nah they hang too much to their ego and pride.

[@businessproyects2615]

Because the greatest concern when you are trying to use an item meant to kill is the string damaging your arm. Is not like in the context the bow is made to deal with there's already bigger things to worry about. I found that barely a non issue anyway.

[@alganhar1]

@@johnmarc1986 WIth a big war bow, say 120 - 160 lb you are going to want a wrist guard just in case anyway. If the string does catch your wrist you are going to seriously know about it if shooting a big bow like that! Also shooting in battle is not like civilian target shooting, generally you are not shooting at individual targets but clout shooting at an area. Its only if the enemy is close that you are picking out individual targets and shooting at a flat trajectory. Its a completely different style of archery compared to competition shooting.

[@OmniDan26]

@@johnmarc1986 That wasn't part of the argument, nice shifting the goalposts.

[@olizion7093]

Never do I want to get into an internet debate with shad. I think the weight of his crushing comebacks would give me a heart attack

[@ardent8463]

Shad. The world needs more guys like you. Stay honest. Love your content.

[@jhaybz29]

Shad, man you should stick to swords... here's why. . Sword Guy1: Hey! you have a sword? Sword Guy2: Yeah! I have a sword :D Sword Guy1: Alright! we should be friends! XD . Archer Guy1: Hey! you have a bow? Archer Guy2: Yeah! I have a bow and I kinda like shooting on the right side Archer Guy1: ... Archer Guy2: ... Archer Guy1 & Guy2: WE ARE MORTAL ENEMIES!!!!

[@ottersirotten4290]

Kinda like AR-15 and AK Guys^^

[@smeghead765]

Should I swing the sword with my right hand or my left hand? Edge alignment is edge alignment!

[@Shiratto]

otter sir otten | So all in all only trust people that like to fight in close quarters!

[@crwydryny]

just don't tell a longsword guy you own a katana... or vice versa. though my favourate was the time I demonstrated half swording with a katana to a katana nut (yes it can be done in a modified manner, you just have to keep your fingers off the cutting edge) the advantages of training in both eastern and western styles. you get to p**s everyone off tehehehehehe

[@dudemanbroguy3464]

crwydryny I don’t understand why people think some aspects of human invention cannot be changed in anyway, like it’s hit it functional peak. Reality is change and if you can’t change you get forgotten

[@mitchjr77]

Using NU’s “Logic”: Shad had an injury from Archery... Jack got an injury from Archery... I, myself, NEVER got an injury from a bow because I don’t do Archery.... Therefore, not doing Archery is the BEST Technique! 🤔

[@carlosdelfino3589]

genious coment ^^lmao^^

[@playerdude2]

The archery community is filled with circle jerking elitist pricks when I checked them out. Makes me wanna puke. You can't have any type of discussion with them even if you disagree by a lil bit.

[@mitchjr77]

playerdude2 I know! I found that out the hard way! 😫 Ever since I was a kid, I’ve ALWAYS wanted to get into Archery. I was EXTREMELY FASCINATED with it. Especially with its use in various cultures. Unfortunately, I never had the opportunity to do any archery until adulthood. However, after meeting a few “Experts” from the Arching “Community”, I was so turned off because of their Elitism and how they would belittle you if you don’t ALREADY know EVERYTHING or do Archery THEIR way! Also, I found it funny how Nu wants to use something he knows nothing about (like Martial Arts) to support his argument for why HIS arrow placement IS the “Correct” way. I couldn’t facepalm hard enough! Well, NU, I do practice several different Martial Arts, and I can tell you, sometimes we DO straight punches the way you demonstrated! So again, by YOUR “logic”, Shad’s placement of his arrow is just as CORRECT as yours!

[@LukeSykpeMan]

@@playerdude2 To be fair, though, basically every sufficiently niche interest community is filled with elitist gatekeepers.

[@Azazantei]

@@LukeSykpeMan But to be fair, most of the Community in this World even though had an Elitist in it, it doesn't mean that they were led by it. Having a Community that was led by an Elitist is just Bad.

[@aray8266]

One topic I do want to ask about that you brought up is the wrist twang. Ever since I first picked up a bow I have always fired it from the right and not trying to toot my own horn but I'm pretty damn accurate with it too however nine times out of 10 I always have to have a wrist guard or it will hit my arm, now it might simply be because I am talented but not learned in the proper ways of archery and again simply for the fact that every time I have asked for correction they always say oh you're doing it wrong, if the first two arrows Miss and the other eight group nicely in the center when I fire on the right side but almost all of them Miss or aren't even in the same vicinity as the Target when I fire from the left obviously my instincts are (right) but again I ask how do you prevent arm twang

[@kennethng4805]

I am a subscriber to both of your and Nusensei's channel for years. I personally am a practicing archer. I am also a medieval weapons and armors enthusiast. This video makes it very clear about both draw styles. By the way, where can I get the shirt that you are wearing?

[@kennethng4805]

Ha. I found the link to the merchandise at the end of the video.

[@lokidtt]

Hey Shad! A quick note: I looked into this book, "The art of archery" and discovered a couple things. Fisrt of all, the date (1515) is not very acurate. It was printed in France by Michel Lenoir, but we don't know exactly when. What we do know though, is that Michel Lenoir was a printer from 1492 to 1520, so could well be in the end of the middle ages. Second thing, concerning the little note "8. i.e. nock it", well that comes from the translator, H. Walrond, who did it in 1901. In the original version, it is only written "Et en la tenant par le mylieu la doit on bouter dedens son arc" (it is old french, which translate in "holding it by the middle, must put it inside his bow". Finally, and most interestingly, the conclusion of the book is : "I did not intend to say all that there is to say concerning this pastime, but only what I have seen and known from good archers, and also the result of my own experience. I beg all who read or hear read this treatise that they will kindly correct the mistakes, if there are any, and of their courtesy supplement my ignorance." That does not confirm nor deny any theory, but that was, I believe, worth mentionning.

[@blackguitarmaker1925]

Loky Tales 👏 interesting how this actually hints at the possibility of there being a variety of methods other than was written by the author. Thank you for the insight. Maybe this debate was just as heated back then as it is now 😆

[@alejandroochoa559]

I would like to add that the discrete division of historical periods is a fruit of future historians impossing ideas on the past. Time periods are a useful model through which we look at history and discuss it but the dates on which one time ends and the next one starts are ultimately arbitrary. Especially since what defines time periods is often different in different locations at different times. So, when dealing with dates as close to the transition you can't categorically say what was medieval and what wasn't, the line is a blurry one. Obviously, you could not say the 1600s is part of the medieval period based on the consensus understanding of what medieval is, but the early 1500s its really debatable.

[@stanbartsch1984]

The term "pastime" is probably the most telling of all. If he is approaching archery as a pastime, then I doubt he is talking about battlefield techniques by archers in combat.

[@darkrite9000]

@@stanbartsch1984 I'm quite certain that in battle you're far less concerned with seeing how everyone is drawing their bows, and more with shooting at the enemy. So the only times to really study and look at how people are conducting archery is either when learning archery, or watching others in a more relaxed setting. So referring to it as a pastime in that doesn't mean that the author only viewed it as a pastime, and was probably aware of it's war time applications. And who's to say the archers he saw weren't ever soldiers prepared for war. Medieval society is incredibly varied, and what one may call a pastime is rarely if ever just a pastime to them. For instance I can say that drawing is a pastime, but I also draw things for my profession. Likewise I'd called archery, kendo, or any martial art as a pastime, but not because it's not something that people take seriously, but more because I personally do not have to fight to live. Which is why the argument that most people wouldn't pass for good fighters in the medieval period has some truth to it. Doesn't mean that all people fit that, and in fact many would far just as well if not a bit better (due to how healthy people are is usually a really big factor). So kinda just phrase your comment a bit differently if you're being misunderstood. Otherwise it's gonna be taken in quite a way.

[@acesburned]

@@blackguitarmaker1925 he wasn't talking about Shad he was talking about the printer of the book please reread the comment that begins this thread

[@cassiopeia9701]

holy crap the difficulties with "putting it in the bow" alone...imagine 500 years from now reading 1000 pages about programming "What does start the computer *mean* ?"

[@szarekhthesilent2047]

Kick it hard, so it starts sliding. But you have to kick it the right way.

[@18947ful]

obviously it means spraying it with sacred oils, incanting the omnissiah's prayer and the Starting Rites and then, after afixing a purity seal to the front of the machine, you may ask the machine spirit to "Start!", when it doesn't react you obviously used the wrong sacred oils and the Machine Spirit will haunt you forever.

[@szarekhthesilent2047]

@@18947ful You are probably joking, but pleading and hitting it works for my old Win 98 computer. My old laptop required additional cooling (carefully wet the outside with water) I haven't tried the oil though.

[@18947ful]

@@szarekhthesilent2047 more oil especially sacred one is Always better. And maybe more pleading than kicking

[@ergohack]

Clearly, it is shorthand for "startle". You've gotta show that thing who's the boss!

[@numberlover8181]

I've tried it both ways and I always preferred right handed from the right side for both long and short bows. People tried correcting me, but eventually let me be when it didn't seem to hurt me. They said I'd smack my forearm more, but I got hurt less frequently this way. I think it's just personal preference/instincts.

[@shawnyaley5114]

Hey shad, can you do a video of how the knights of the crusades dressed historically both in and outside of armor? I’d love to get some accuracy on the subject, thank you!