Shadow Warrior 3 Tested on PS5/PC/PS4 Pro: The Digital Foundry Tech Review

[@timbird1371]

Man all these stutters in these modern games really is becoming a major problem ....

[@Rebelscum264]

Lol

[@TimmyTurner421]

@@Rebelscum264 Lol

[@gogadev]

@@TimmyTurner421 lol

[@sugarhieroglyph]

I'm playin ps3 and 3 so i don't give a shit.

[@clessili]

a shame they gave up on their custom engine. even looking at DF's coverage of Shadow Warrior 2 right now, it still looks fresh, different and exciting.

[@forasago]

my theory is, maybe they want to branch out into other genres after this. their engine was built just for a shooter, similar to Valve's engines or id tech. maybe they think getting the whole team into Unreal Engine will make them more flexible as a studio. if they stuck with their in-house engine they would be limited to shooters or face developing tools for months before starting on any non-shooter project. they also picked an inter-generational phase to make this change. I wonder if they already have a publisher deal lined up to develop something big in Unreal Engine 5.

[@Valshiirs]

Naah man. Engine is just a tool for the developer. Its up to the dev to choose the right tool for the job in order to achieve their vision. Otherwise you have publishers like EA who cause their developers a ton of headaches by forcing them to use Frostbyte, just so they can later use it as marketing ploy.

[@Chimera_Photography]

@@Valshiirs Developers don’t choose the game engine. The company they work for does. Stupid, but true. EA is FAR from the only company to force an engine down devs throats.

[@cunnyman]

@@Valshiirs While that may be true, a customized engine if done right generally means better optimizations, performance, better art direction, lighting, physics and so on. Everything is built with the developer’s vision in mind. For example, say Souls titles from From Software, sure the optimization is ass there but everything else was made with a clear vision in mind. Them switching to Unreal, for example, would mess with their visual presentation, game design, balance, physics and more. 7/10 games that moved to Unreal Engine from their own customized engine usually lose their charm from the generic same-y lighting and a generally more simplified gameplay. Devs can mitigate these of course but it will be starting everything from scratch and the result will be at least slightly different.

[@_Chad_ThunderCock]

Maintaining and updating a inhouse Engine is expensive as well as time consuming, I'm sure they realised the effort just wasn't worth the outcome. If only the could use UE5 tho... However, I understand it's not production ready yet

[@aaa-do5wb]

it’s honestly maddening how many games and especially ue4 ones have this stuttering issue seemingly no one cares enough to fix it even though it’s clearly a problem and very avoidable

[@sunspot5]

It’s literally persistent in every UE4 game it’s actually so frustrating, it’s literally the only reason I don’t buy games that use UE4 anymore

[@snchez2106]

@@sunspot5 same here :(

[@googleslocik]

Why would they care? They make those games for one platform, they dont give a shit how it runs on others. The only people to blame are people to buy it, its not the job of the devs to decide what customers want, if they want broken games and will buy them then we will get broken games. Simple as that.

[@HardDiskDog]

@@googleslocik what

[@googleslocik]

@@HardDiskDog stop preordering games

[@Dhlamedia]

Unreal Engine 4 and Framerate Stutters sure go hand-to-hand like oil and fire.

[@Lelende]

Like oil bans and gas prices?

[@TheJungaBoon]

Or like despotic tyrants and bombing Ukraine

[@Luiz48000]

Yes it happened to me in all unreal engine 4 games

[@samdixon3719]

Fr, stutters are insane on this dumbass engine

[@sushimshah2896]

Which other notable games use UE4??

[@jayofelony86]

Man, I can't wait for the next generation of consoles. That'll be the definitive way to play all of my current-gen games.

[@SrNuno-tl5kc]

Nice analogy man 😂

[@sage11x]

Yep. This, Elden Ring, Horizon FW… I want a PS5 just to play PS4 games in back compat.

[@solid_justice5855]

@@sage11x why would you want to play Horizon FW in back compat mode though? the ps5 version is better. Elden ring i get, it has a crappy engine

[@sermerlin1]

@@sage11x What has HFW to do with PS4 back compat? You are shooting yourself in a foot if you played HFW in a PS4 back compat mode instead of native PS5 lol.

[@KEVBOYMUSIC]

@@SrNuno-tl5kc That is not an analogy

[@merk2364]

I find it baffling that not only did they not make any sort of current gen native version, but they didn't even use that opportunity to make sure the versions that do exist are solid.

[@1984dannz]

Not having the volumetric fog in the levels really changes the game on console. I understand the limitations of consoles but still shocking to see. I think they should have done it for ps5 and Xbox series consoles as well.

[@mbsfaridi]

Don’t reply to the scams in the comments.

[@kupokinzyt]

Fun-fact, Lo Wang's evil twin brother found in the first expansion of the first game, is named Hung Lo.

[@twistedpicsproductions4849]

Based

[@pinkfloyd36123]

is alex still working on that UE4 stutter/shader compilation issue video? i would love to see a deep dive on why it's become such a common problem

[@yancgc5098]

Sick and tired of devs being incompetent in handling shader compilation. Bad enough that it happens in DX12 but in DX11 as well?!? That's a first.

[@ihavenoaffinity]

I wonder if DigitalFoundry could do a video explaining what's been happening recently with PC gaming where shader compilation has become a widespread issue in games using newer rendering APIs like D3D12 and Vulkan? Apparently this has been happening in KOFXV too so is it something that's the engine developer's responsibility to fix, or the game dev's?

[@prajeetsahoo4735]

Broken gpu

[@theninjamaster67]

@@prajeetsahoo4735 Broken pp

[@prajeetsahoo4735]

@@theninjamaster67 cry more. No games after getting that 3080 for you🤣

[@theninjamaster67]

@@prajeetsahoo4735 No bitches?

[@aL3891_]

It's too bad because there is a semi simple solution for this in a type of profile guided optimization, when you basically run the game a bunch of times and see what shader permutations are used, then that list of shaders are precomputed when you start the game. Having that as a feature in the engine would be great i think since it's such a common issue

[@Vash63]

Steam does exactly this automatically by crowdsourcing Vulkan pipelines from other players and then precompiling the shaders prior to the game run for all DX9-12 and Vulkan games on Linux. That code relies on a Vulkan overlay but it could easily be used by any dev on Windows also, they uploaded it open source on GitHub (Fossilize). It fully resolves the stutter talked about in this video as long as you aren't the first person to get to a point in the game.

[@Vash63]

@Dave Davies What part doesn't? Steam has a vulkan layer that saves pipelines to disk while the games run. This cache is distributed with the game by Steam and any new pipelines are added to your local copy by that Vulkan layer, then uploaded to Valve after the game exits for distribution to other users. In the background prior to game launch Steam runs Fossilize against this cache which runs them all once which builds up your driver specific cache on your local system, preventing stutter. This works for all Vulkan titles in Linux on Steam, which includes all DX9-12 titles as those run through Vulkan due to Proton.

[@ReelFiends]

I don't know what resources they have, but, as a AA studio, you'd think that they would do a better job optimizing versions of the game considering the risk involved.

[@anthonyrizzo9043]

Man triple A studios don't even optimize lol

[@almipopp5152]

I love this game. It was short but sweet. Every moment was great fun

[@rtxmeatlug3149]

@@almipopp5152 It was a scam, lol.

[@almipopp5152]

@@rtxmeatlug3149 ah I see the scammers deleted their comment. I did too now thanks

[@cztech2631]

I do know it's more work to include the Base PS4 in the comparison, but with a user base of 100 Million people owning PS4 Consoles I think it would help a lot to show that console as well. The PS4 Pro is discontinued while Sony is still actively making the PS4 Slim, so I think it would be nice to include a few minutes of frame rate analysis on Base PS4 on DF videos since the user base is large and the console is still being produced by Sony.

[@no_misaki]

It runs worse and at 1080p, that's pretty much always the turnout.

[@cztech2631]

@@no_misaki How much worse is my question? 30FPS locked or 25-30 choppy 30 FPS with blurry textures? There's some games that are new that still run great on the base PS4 like RE Village.

[@Anatol16BF3]

At this point I think even my daughter's stuttering can be traced back to shader compilation issues.

[@Jamic9]

I do appreciate how many DF reviews now offer some additional information on the gameplay as well as the usual technical aspects of the title.

[@griffgames9538]

If the guy has experience with the series, I'm fine with DF injecting some gameplay thoughts. Especially in a shooter, after all, where game performance has persistent ramifications on play quality.

[@mraquaticnews5676]

Still looks great for RE4. Where's the Series X test?

[@paul1979uk2000]

It's remarkable that developers still use fmv with games when they take up a lot of space, tend to look worse and are less flexible than in game engine, in this day and age with how good visuals look in game, there's no reason to use fmv any more. I also wonder why they didn't use many of the enhancements of the PC version on the new gen consoles, a lot of the work is already done on the PC version, surely it can't be that difficult for them to add many of these bells and whistles on the new consoles. In any case, it looks like the game needs a bit of work on all platforms with performance and stutter and for now, it's probably best to avoid this game on any platform until they patch up the game. On that note, I wonder how well it works on the Steam Deck because I think Valve compile the shaders ahead of time.

[@ShmeeGrim]

It isn't necessarily about the difficulty in enabling some settings on the current consoles. They have to have more time spent doing QA to make sure nothing breaks and that the game runs at their performance target, which they likely didn't have enough time to do for launch.

[@MikeHeldTheWorld]

Looking forward to seeing your tech review of GTA V for PS5 and Xbox series X and comparing it across 3 generations of consoles. Hopefully Rockstar updated it enough to make an interesting comparison.

[@barnburner1238]

i wouldn't put money on it, but we'll see

[@RandomGamingMoments925]

Might be their biggest comparison yet, if they cover all platforms

[@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe]

Im curious about what the Ray tracing on console will be. No doubt its just there to test in the rage engine for gta 6 lol.

[@123doomdoom]

It's still shocked that people struggle to move on. I quit caring for that game after beating it a few times on me ps3 and started looking forward to newer games when I got my ps4.

[@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe]

@@123doomdoom people still love to play the online years later for some reason. i personally think the online is a load of crap filled with hackers and just stupid shit. i guess i am lucky that i only bought gta 5 once on xbox 360 and got a copy for pc for free from epic games. i wont be buying this crap upgrade for my series s either

[@ghosface353]

I love the first two game, but I refunded the game after playing 80 minutes as it was missing a lot of the cool stuff from previous games (there is no fortune cookies or secrets!), and I read it was only 6 hours long, and at $50 6 hour is way too short, both of the other games was at least twice as long. If you play on harder difficulty you might get over 16 hours, and SW2 had a lot to do, that might made you play over 30 hours. Of course I don't need 30 hours or even 16 hours, but 10-12 hours would be nice. If you want to copy Doom Eternal, why not copy Slayer gates. That would probably add a couple of hours, if they are really hard. Also there is no Insane difficulty, only easy, normal and hard.

[@fireaza]

I find the slayer gates to be the weakest part of Eternal. Putting you in a small room and just throwing a crap-load of enemies at you just isn't that interesting.

[@bestledisthe]

Resident 3 remake, 3 hours/$70

[@Vulpas]

This a good game to start with storyline-wise?

[@NicolasREVA7X]

And I was expecting a game as good as Shadow Warrior 2013... What a mess :(

[@KakavashaForever]

Shadow Warrior 2 was trying to be Borderlands. Shadow Warrior 3 is trying to be Doom. I wish they would just do their own thing instead like with the first game.

[@Ye_B0i]

What’s wrong with taking inspirations from other games and do their own twist, Why is that such a crime?

[@KakavashaForever]

@@Ye_B0i Why are you being so melodramatic and putting words in my mouth? I never said it was a crime, I said I wish they woud go back to doing their own thing because Shadow Warrior 1 is the best game in the series.

[@shawnkay8649]

Love your review. That's why you guys are the best at what you do. I remember having unrelated but similarly unbearable stutter in one of their first games Hard Reset where any frame rate other than intervals of 60 would cause micro stutter. I hope they start taking the issue of stuttering more seriously. I can't bear it.

[@ganjahtron]

i feel like they give the best reviews of games now days.

[@MunkeyChips]

Not true about the sword. You can unlock 3 elemental attacks that activate based on your directional movement and charging the attack.

[@petrlazar5240]

Shader compilation, the bane of current PC gaming. How does it run on Series S?

[@snight01]

alex is basically doing god's work... really happy you mentioned the stuttering cache issues on the pc version. Great job!!!!

[@FungeHucker]

Damn. Think I'll be waiting to see if they do a native PS5 version...

[@fpstechtesting7653]

Alex, the sorrow in your voice at 12:55 is truly haunting.

[@BenchARTVideos]

I can't blame him. Usually this is a thing with DX12/Vulkan games because developers don't generate shader cache during loadings (or first boot of the game), they instead expect our PCs to take the massive CPU Spike hit to generate that shader cache (which gets destroyed with a new driver update or a game update). Aside from Forza, Warzone and maybe a game or 2, no games pre-generate shader cache before, forcing the system to generate them on-fly causing this annoying stuttering. But hey, that is with DX12 and Vulkan games which is mandatory to happen. But Shadow Warrior 3 runs under DX11, so it is even more stupid that this is happening, especially in Unreal Engine games, which is a well aware issue since Unreal Engine 3, a more than a decade have passed, and we still activelly see this issue happening all the time. It's outrageous, honestly! Even some Stadia games pre-calculate the vulkan shaders before the game starting just to not stutter, but on PC nooooooo.... I'm pissed!

[@giannis_tar]

@@BenchARTVideos isn't Shadow of the Tomb Raider DX12? Did it have those issues too?

[@BenchARTVideos]

​@@giannis_tar Yes, it does have DX11 and DX12 with DX12 having much better framerate than DX11. As far as I remember, Shadow of The Tomb Raider didn't had shader cache issues, probably it did generate them sucessfully during the loading screens. Like Call Of Duty have been doing for half decade now.

[@fpstechtesting7653]

@@BenchARTVideos yeah it's maddening for sure. Of the top of my head Horizon Zero Dawn is another game that pre-generates shaders. It's not mandatory in DX12/Vulkan, it's up to the developers to handle when the shaders are generated but it's definitely more common than in DX11. Unreal engine shader issues are the most common, and I find them the most annoying. That's because, like you say, it's been over a decade of stuttering. I recently done a test with the UE4 GTA remake which showed just a ridiculous amount of stuttering. It would be funny if it wasn't so annoying!

[@giannis_tar]

@@BenchARTVideos I assumed it would be coded really well since DF used it very often for benchmarks and stuff

[@Blastros01]

I love how inspired this is by Doom. I think that shooter genre is very open when everyone else wants to copy CoD or Fortnite. There's a lot of innovation left in other shooter genres

[@MrHorst38]

First Elden Ring and now Shadow Warrior 3. Shader compilation stutter is becoming the bane of pc game releases it seems. Thx DX12.

[@Schizm1]

Hate me all you want but I loved the replay value, graphics and loot of SW2. SW3 imo is huge failure. Levels are linear, no loot and graphics is good but IMO not a massive improvement over SW2

[@purebaldness]

I couldn't stand the loot and randomised level design on SW2. I like SW3 for what it is. Am I supposed to hate you now, or something? All I know is that I welcome more 90's style shooters in today's market, good or bad.

[@jose131991]

@@purebaldness I like SW3 enough but I have to agree with OP. The lack of replayability and limited weapon types/varieties hamper the excellent combat and enemy design which excels the previous two FWH shadow warriors. Hope they add new weapons and levels or maybe a randomized mode where you can just play with the combat in randomized arenas. Would add more replayability.

[@purebaldness]

@@jose131991 I can respect that. I felt about SW2's launch the same as people feel about this new game. Nice to be at the other side this time. I don't think it needs more weapons but some endless mode and higher difficulties would go a long way with minimal resources, I would have thought

[@ottokern1001]

Great review as always! As an xbox SX owner would be great to see a review on how it runs on the one x since this determines the performance on next gen

[@nimbulan2020]

Personally I'm not a fan of the Doom Eternal style of gameplay. I find it very limiting how it forces you to use weapons you don't want to in order to deal with the extremely limited ammo, and takes a ridiculous amount of attention to juggle the insane variety of weapons that you need to use all of, constantly. In Shadow Warrior 1 and 2 they provide more options but you're not railroaded into them - you can play how you want to.

[@teehundeart]

I guess it depends on preference and how well developers pull it off. I like the fact that Doom Eternal forces you to utilize your full arsenal. It feels almost like an action/fighting game where you have to chain moves together for combos.

[@bearpuns5910]

To each their own, but I don’t think I agree with Doom Eternal having limited ammo. Just press the G key next to a fodder demon and boom - all your ammo is back

[@skysmusic__7666]

@@teehundeart exactly. The game is designed for constant strategy changing in the blink of an eye. It’s why people love it so much. It’s not just an arena shooter that asks you to walk around and kill everything with ease, it constantly sets up pieces on a chess board and asks you to us the correct piece before your caught in checkmate.

[@Mustafa_9628]

@@skysmusic__7666 So true I couldnt have said that any better

[@LN.2233]

Be better man

[@ZashikiWarabe]

What about the Xbox version?

[@konxol4978]

Started it on my spiderman ps4 pro (upgraded with Samsung 860 QVO 2TB 2.5 Inch SATA III Internal SSD (MZ-76Q2T0B/AM) yesterday, i didn't experience quite a few of those stutters you displayed from FMV transitions, it ran a bit more smooth as well. While still not as perfect as the ps5 back compat version looked, currently installing now on the ps5, it was definitely stlil quite enjoyable. Those FMVs really do break immersion in such a bad way😪. Love what you guys do!

[@pixlax9037]

nice work Alex Battaglia!.

[@mash2481]

The Series X version doesn’t have these drastic stutters. Maybe that’s why you guys decided against comparing it.

[@griffgames9538]

Is there a native 'Series X version'? Or BC+ using One X presets/res.

[@rickyfelan]

If Xbox has an advantage at any game, DF won’t show it or they downplay it.

[@griffgames9538]

@@rickyfelan Or that's just fanperson conspiracy talking, and the truth is that Alex doesn't have a Series X.

[@mayen67]

Why no Xbox coverage?

[@thesousa37]

I have shadow warrior 3 on series x and it says it’s optimized for S/X. It looks like it runs in 4k at a high frame rate to me.

[@bigkabuto]

Good to know. I don't get why there is no mention of Xbox at all here.

[@PushStart_YT]

Yep, DF should have picked the Xbox version instead of PS version for this game. On Xbox it's actually gen9aware so it's much more meaningful than the PS version. I guess they went with PS ver since it's "free" for PSNow subscribers. They dony wanna pay for the Xbox version.

[@wssayer]

Thanks for the info. I just watched 10mins of a gameplay vid, and it doesn't seem to have the pauses displayed on the PS version.

[@yomamasohot6411]

@@PushStart_YT There is no next gen version. On XSX it's still running on BC. Your speculation is stupid.

[@PushStart_YT]

so is your mother. look at the file info, it says xboxone gen9aware for a reason. if it's straight up x1 back compat, it'll just say xboxone. I've never said it's native gen9.

[@solnasonen]

Xbox? Would have been nice to see how the series X/S enhanced versions played.

[@maxmaxneolit]

PS4Pro with external SSD, never had a single freeze like depicted here. Yes, it was sluggish compared to ps5 but I played it thoughout on both and the game perforemed acceptably on ps4pro+ssd and buttery smooth on ps5. The game is short and sweet. A great psnow game. Not sure I would have paid full price for it.

[@fensoxx]

You won’t get shader compilation problems on consoles

[@griffgames9538]

@@fensoxx Right. On console the game knows exactly the target spec and includes pre-compiled shaders. You can still experience some first-time caching/stream stutters, but not of the same nature as I.e., a sloppy UE4 shader comp first pass on PC.

[@Potato_n_Tomato]

It still baffles me that the 2nd game never had HDR support and Ps4 Pro/One X support. Very half assed console ports. Oh and the windows/pc gamepass version of SW2 doesn't even have fucking coop

[@jose131991]

Ps4 version still hasn’t gotten 60fps mode for ps5 either and they tried to push it as a preorder bonus for SW3 lol

[@christophermarcil8292]

It was a weird oversight, but at least on Series X there is 60 fps and auto HDR.

[@kjul.]

I really wonder why the devs abandoned their own engine and went with UE4. I mean, the original engine was literally built for fast-paced, action-packed shooters like Hard Reset and Shadow Warrior - and these games looked and felt amazing!

[@griffgames9538]

Btw - Shadow Warrior 3 was actually a rare Game Pass-style 'day 1' release on PlayStation Now for March, if you're subscribed. stream/download. Unfortunately there's no native PS5 version, only PS4 Pro via BC.

[@Mac3Media]

Seems to have a Series X / S upgrade...but could be a bunch of bull...Wish you looked into that

[@ZByrdman89]

Yea, I looked into the file info on my digital copy of the game on my XSX, it’s still Gen:Durango, which is previous gen hardware, but does still have some current gen9 features. Another words, it’s not fully optimized for Xbox Series consoles, a shame because I based my purchase on the demo gameplay trailers that were released over a year before the game released. Thought it would be even better optimized after so much time between those trailers and the game release, but it’s not.

[@segaboy128]

Good review pc ftw. Why didnt u cover the xbox series x version?

[@Dsmarto410]

I noticed there’s an X/S version of this game making it even stranger why there’s no native ps5 version.

[@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe]

It's gen9aware not a native port. I don't know the difference but it seems to have good performance on both new xbox machines.

[@yomamasohot6411]

@@JudeTheKZbinPoopersubscribe it's still a BC version. The difference is BC on Xbox uses more of its XSX features than BC does on the PS5.

[@PaNDaSNiP3R]

They should have found a happy medium from the first game and the second game in this but it’s so dumbed down and it’s not nearly as good or fun.

[@mash2481]

Why not have the Series X version in comparison?

[@kelownatechkid]

Alex, your videos always impress!!

[@BlacklistBill]

It would be nice if someone could write a general tool that allows you to install a game, and then force compile all of the shades prior to starting the game

[@sean8102]

I really don't get why all games don't at least offer that option. Take the uncharted PC release. When you first launch it, on the main menu in the bottom right it says "compiling shaders x%". You can either leave it on the menu (even tab out) and let it finish compiling all the shaders, or start the game when you want. Sad this is still such a issue, look at the state Calisto Protocol was in at launch on PC in terms of the stuttering. The last patch def helped a ton, now the game seems to compile shaders (some I guess) at launch since the menu lags for a few seconds since the patch but the stuttering is pretty much gone for me. Still can't keep 60 FPS with any of the RT features turned on though on my 3080 at 1440p with FSR 2.1 in quality mode. But game still look great without the RT stuff.

[@shankly1985]

It's a shame this series never did top the first game.

[@griffgames9538]

Btw folks, they have four (4) different Xbox versions to compare (or three if they eliminate base vanilla One/S, like no base PS4 here), and put them up vs. PC. So cramming 6 different platforms into one SW3 video would be tough. Would expect a separate Xbox video. CAVEAT - If proper native PS5/Series X versions of SW3 existed, you'd be more likely to see the Xbox Series/PS5/PC face-off.

[@imadetheuniverse4fun]

Video is still weird, might be an undisclosed-paid video. Because even the description mentions that the game is available on PC/PS but no mention of xbox. Really strange for a seemingly unsponsored video

[@griffgames9538]

@@imadetheuniverse4fun The beat down is a little intense for a sponsored video. Usually there's a modicum of expected positivity.

[@imadetheuniverse4fun]

@@griffgames9538 that's true. I just meant money given to exclude mentioning other consoles. Either that or just sloppy reporting

[@jjsavior]

Thanks I've been looking for this.

[@Horrorfreak86]

Series X?

[@davepctech1559]

It's unfortunate that they didn't put their best foot forward, they really need to get the "hand to talk to the foot" and fix this shader compilation issue.

[@bluewave4019]

Is Digitalfoundry hating on Xbox and just marketing ps5 recently... Where is the Xbox version????

[@ChavChrisGames]

Thanks for doing this Alex 👍

[@lampenpam]

2:00 really? SW2 was a fantastic game. Sure it was different, but the gameplay, especially the gunplay, improved so much. Not a game for everyone but a great one.

[@pnnedbypccentric3625]

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[@pnnedbypccentric3625]

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[@zakparamir755]

What about Xbox versions?

[@gabor-toth]

Take the PS5 version, substract 5-8 fps and you have the Xbox version probably. 🙂

[@leonfrancis3418]

@@gabor-toth Is everything okay?

[@piensluc7444]

@@gabor-toth - with vrr on series x does the same even better...Come on, man. Your fanboyism is showing

[@Jetravard]

@@piensluc7444 True, but some/most people probably don't have VRR capable displays...

[@piensluc7444]

@@Jetravard - so the game can't be that good on non vrr displays !

[@dhivydhimanth1960]

Only PlayStation? Didn't this game also release for Xbox? Where's the Xbox tech review?

[@syunafrost351]

No they only released it for the actual good platforms

[@zakparamir755]

Yes there's a Xbox version

[@euj0]

@@syunafrost351 lol cope, seethe and dilate

[@2drealms196]

With only 1.2m subs (post multiple youtube adpocalypse revenue declines), 240k/yr in patreon, low Alexa traffic ranking on their website, and the proliferation of adblockers and several employees and various business overhead and a parent company that almost certainly wants to maximize profits , they probably privately partner with companies to get additional funding sources, which is probably why you see such a skew of Sony and Nvidia oriented videos. They are probably privately receive additional funding sources from Sony and Nvidia which (eg in the case of Nvidia) is why even in lackluster RT implementations they rarely admit that RT impact on some games is sometimes very very difficult to notice an not worth the often large performance hit unless you put two screenshots side by side.

[@euj0]

@@2drealms196 stop with this nonsense. Just like the Sony guy, you also need to cope, seethe, and dilate.

[@redbeardnj]

Second one is ALOT better imo. Much more replay value and different ways to play. I was done with pt3 after one playthrough, but im STILL playing pt2 to this day!

[@martinantelo7086]

I can't really recommend it. It has very good ideas, gory kills are basically like Bayonetta's executions, they give you special weapons and there's a certain layer of strategy deciding which weapons you get and which enemies you insta-kill... But there's no level design and it just ends when you start getting power-ups for your weapons. It's kinda like a single Doom Eternal DLC in length. And also it's very visually unappealing. Only the second area (the dam) looks good. The first and the final area are really bland. It clearly has a very low budget, lower than the previous two games, but given that maybe they should have tried something else, like going full boomer with the graphics.

[@Vulpas]

If they have to go back 30 years to Wolfenstein graphics, I think it might be better to just cancel the project at that point lol

[@pyrrhicvictory5844]

I loved Shadow Warrior and was excited for the sequel, but then I played it, absolutely hated it, and still haven't gone back to it. Devs completely changed the level design, added too many weapons, and the game was an absolute chore to play, in my opinion

[@Dratio]

I've played a few pc games where shaders compile right when you start the game to avoid stutter during gameplay. Why don't more games do this?

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[@MunkeyChips]

I find the game very enjoyable. I wish we could have gotten maybe another hour or two of gameplay and the stutter is a pain, overall though, very fun gameplay!

[@griffgames9538]

Pulled the trigger on Powerslave Ex first. Obv. very different games/price, but feeling better about the decision...

[@chrisbullock6477]

I actually wished they'd stuck with their old engine, It was extremely flexible, and most importantly Hardware Agnostic and just took advantage of whatever and as much hardware you had.

[@Gorilla_Jones]

I'm really tired of Unreal Engine 4, everything looks the same. Can it go away already?

[@crestofhonor2349]

Unreal 4 only looks the same because developers don’t customize and add in their own effects. There are plenty of more unique looking UE4 games but so many just use the base lighting effects. Street fighter 5 is a good example of some engine customization of UE4

[@DC3Refom]

@@crestofhonor2349 that's true take fernbus simulator for example or tsw2

[@fabioalexandrerosendo1321]

Hi guys from DF, can you made again this Shadow Warrior 3 comparison ?? The New Gen Consoles receave its own version of this game.

[@MiltonGeorges]

Me thinks this studio didn’t want to pay its engineers to maintain the in-house engine, and instead, scaled back with a smaller team that couldn’t learn Unreal Engine 4 well enough to optimize performance before release. As you said, Alex, the charm of the games is still there, but marred by tech issues. That’s a shame, I love the Shadow Warrior franchise but think I’ll be skipping this one.

[@royce3294]

I'm surprised this game took as long as it did to hit the market.

[@RepublicofODLUM]

So they went with toned down and tame, exactly what I didn't want to hear. I know a lot of people didn't like the rpg elements of SW2 but it really wasn't that bad and gave the game some longevity. Now it sounds incredibly simple and I'm betting people want that deeper progression back...

[@chrisrichfield8906]

I enjoyed the rpg elements, but the procedural level design kind of ruined it for me. Not just because of the seams between biomes ruining immersion, but also the lack of rewards for exploring. Also the story was much better in the first game (imo).

[@RepublicofODLUM]

@P¡nned by Digital Foundry Scam. I mean its painfully obvious and one of the laziest and dumbest I've ever seen but still thought I should reply.

[@lehast226]

spoiler alert: they never fixed the stutters. :(

[@Mustafa_9628]

This game is the perfect example between a 7/10 game and a 10/10 game U know SW 3 being the 7 and doom eternal being the eternally 10/10

[@saurabhpathakYT]

Cuz Metal you know!

[@justcuzamjewish]

They should’ve just stuck to the shadow warrior 2 formula

[@Mustafa_9628]

@@justcuzamjewish I tend to agree But if doom eternal hadnt existed That borderlands-esque formula they pursuited pales in comparsion to SW3 I played it on a ps5 and it was somewhat fun No chapter select or ng+ sucks ngl And the game is 4hrs long So thats its biggest sins

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@@saurabhpathakYT Metal?

[@saurabhpathakYT]

@@Mustafa_9628 dude seriously! You compare doom and ask what is Metal? Come on.

[@ALWTunes]

Native PS5 version is out today (free upgrade). I don’t know if it fixes everything, but it claims to support 4k/60fps anyway.

[@thatonefoofrumlongbe]

Do I buy? It's on sale. Wondering what the PS5 experience is like?

[@Pyri80]

Microsoft Store clearly labels this as Xbox Series S/X enhanced. I don't think this can just mean the same thing as on PlayStation (backwards compatible only).

[@blastu2fool]

The problem is the rush in producing these games is why the developers are missing all the hiccups with freezing which is unacceptable because of the money they hit one over the head, there should be no problems but again there is always a patch to fix something 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@chrisrichfield8906]

They had 6 years to make the game, I wouldn't blame it on the publisher. They have to cut their losses at some point and ship the game. Seems like the budget wasn't handled well and the huge variety of consoles made things difficult for them.

[@theuncanspan]

I've noticed the PS5 is framerate centric focusing on mastering 60fps which is doing a solid job at 4K too. So the real focus would be on details come PS6 unless they decide to make games in 8K/30fps then we'd have to wait again, kind of a vicious technological cycle.

[@KML3rd]

With improvements in upscaling tech I imagine 8k 60fps reconstructed isn’t to far off from reality.

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[@justcuzamjewish]

I personally don’t like shadow warrior 3 as much as 2, I feel like it’s a step back

[@iconofsin4578]

SW 2 sucked too

[@justcuzamjewish]

@@iconofsin4578 to each their own, it wasn’t an amazing game but I still found it enjoyable

[@Mustafa_9628]

Not every dev can pull off this looting shooting formula gearbox pretty much perfected with the borderlands Shadow warrior 2 is miles better than the first one But the RNG and the extreme variety of guns, mods and enhancements overwhelms you in the end Even enemies takes 100 bullets to die Reminds me of ac odyssey tbh And after i played eternal Man, i cant tell you how awesome it is The best fps i have ever played And im thankful that SW3 followed suit with that game Its a decent experience But the lack of chapter select, game length and ng+ really hindered the experience for me

[@SummerS95-12]

Disagree. SW2 was trying too hard to be too many things.

[@HugoStiglitz88]

@@Mustafa_9628 I would hope so. Shadow warrior 1 is one of the most repetitive games I ever played. Shame because I liked the gameplay but it was INCREDIBLY repetitive Also AC odyssey is 🗑

[@Donodabet]

xbox versions??

[@pennywisethedancingclown7139]

Had to get the important platforms done first. Xbox = Minority

[@ticksmilk]

It's obvious Xbox is the best version.

[@-INFERNUS-]

PC version will always be better but I can't stand UE4, it will always use TAA and sometimes you can disable it in the ini file but that might cause issues with some games. I wish more companies would use ID softwares engine like ID Tech 7 man that engine is just perfect 😁

[@xBINARYGODx]

IDT7 must not have as great dev outreach or pricing or something. (maybe its even worse to use, or certain things about UE's are similar and easier to port onto form previous versions)

[@-INFERNUS-]

@@xBINARYGODx could cost more to license out or ID & Bethesda do not want to do that. Sucks if that's the case either way.

[@aceofhearts573]

RIP Roadhog engine. Another game engine taken out by Unreal. Red Engine from CDProjekt got taken out as well and all new games will use Unreal Engine 5.

[@BlindBison]

I wish I could play 2013’s Shadow Warrior but with Shadow Warrior 2’s mechanics.

[@Agn0sticus]

I'm glad it isn't. Bulletsponge enemies and FPS are not that fun to play...

[@TheRacePig]

Since the game runs on UE4, have you tried seeing if you can switch the game into DX11 mode? That fixed the shader compilation stutter for the FF7 remake, wondering if it's possible here as well.

[@snchez2106]

the game runs on dx11 by default...

[@thingsiplay]

The music sounds cool.

[@rodwelpolanco9493]

Man, these shader compilation issues.... I want to learn more about why this happen, hopefully Alex video about the issue is almost done.

[@fakharakhtar8606]

Are there any UE4 games on PC that don't have compilation stutter?

[@bigt4135]

There isn’t a ps5 native version?

[@entertainmentwizard2703]

Well definitely playing this on PS5!

[@BROTRRer]

DF is doing God's work

[@purebaldness]

God hates Xbox.

[@jaytpmc]

I noticed when switching the weapons in a new level, it takes a second for them to render into full detail, it also still does the stutters when entering a new arena occasionally. I'm playing on PS5. The game could have been great if it didn't have these technical issues and was priced at $30.

[@pcgameboy8407]

Absolutely lazyness, and inexcusable. I was excited for this, but i will not buy it on PC until that issue is fixed. Also it is sad that the best experience is playing the last gen version on PS5, which looks far worse than the PC version.. Like why cant we all just play the version we are on, without bs lag spikes..

[@jose131991]

Win and lose. Everybody. Unfortunately, expensive hardware doesn’t guarantee perfect performance. Runs great on ps5 for me but a native PS5 version with PS5 features like dual sense support and activity cards along with better lighting and effects would suffice. Would have faster loading times too.

[@reylopez8433]

Here's hoping for a 60FPS capable native PS5 version.

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[@dominictorretto1713]

X box? No, not 👂

[@stylar_cz]

Why isn't there HDR support in 2022, the old engine in Shadow Warrior 2 was better in many things, like variable-rate shading, HDR10 support, destructible environments, etc.

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[@HamsterXFiles]

Bright Memory Infinite Ray Tracing man.

[@ROBALHC]

Its more like FULL FULL REVIEW wow

[@memphis_ut]

STUTTER ALARM! Oh boy, I really hate to see how often this issue is ignored by devs. I hope that will change anytime soon 😑

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