Shaka Hislop: Lionel Messi not better than Pele until he wins World Cup, 'simple as that' | ESPN FC

[@gabeg2434]

This aged well.

[@Shemzinho]

WELL WELL WELL. He’s done it. GOAT.

[@yudigunawan85]

So shaka right now, must confess messi is better than pele🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@manuchauhan1766]

@@yudigunawan85 he just ran away from the question

[@ArieL_V-]

I was looking for this comment!! 😂🤣

[@romeoyousif2403]

How Pele is better three world cups

[@Shemzinho]

@@romeoyousif2403 pre-historic times don't count

[@g0thamcityfc]

Who's here after Messi won the World Cup🏆🇦🇷🐐VAMOSSSSSSSS

[@lesegomokoena1621]

I am here, I am waiting for Shaka to crown Messi with the GOAT status

[@Linuxenthusiast]

Shaka is a clown 🤡

[@cryptodeity]

He’s going to dance around the topic and say things like “I’m very happy for Messi. He’s proven to carry his Argentinian on his back! That was impressive. Good job, Messi” And call it a day lmaoooo

[@vrajshah1494]

Who's here after Messi won the world cup?

[@kitsao4011]

Here comes the 🐐. MESSI is the undisputed greatest of all TIME

[@ducatarina]

Everybody now saw the reality Pelé died, the GOAT Died, y´all kids wake up, Messi is Top 3 perfect for him

[@rome316ae3]

@Mani Mohammadkhani no number 1 is messi . If pele is king then messi is god

[@gilfernando7623]

Messi is not nobody. He won the world cup with France B team. Maradona won the world cup pretty much alone and not with the opposition team B

[@alexis.e.davila]

The world cup is won by a team, not one player. Simple as that.

[@vaibhavmishra8403]

The argument can be made that pele never play in Europe

[@tanaloor]

Yes but the best players must score in knockouts..

[@tanaloor]

@TONE you don't know nothing about 1986 Argentina squad.. Best player of spanish league: jorge Valdano Best player of french league: burruchaga They are the front 3 of Argentina in 1986 world cup along with maradona..

[@bradyy_yy]

True that's the point

[@havertzthefuturegoat2518]

@@vaibhavmishra8403 he did, scoring more efficiently than brazil

[@TheIceMan23]

by his logic Iniesta is the greatest ever player.. scored in the world cup final, won it, four champions league titles, 2 euros...

[@ded4lyfe1]

Prem Kr Prashant *Most Productive

[@dleoner1]

Exactly. It’s unrealistic logic. But people are quick to jump on the two biggest stats that Pele has and that’s 3 World Cups and over 1000 goals. But if they dig deeper, they’ll realize it’s not all what it’s cracked up to be.

[@jakkaxn5513]

He is one of the best...

[@ddvsgd9508]

But Iniesta is though

[@Who-is-this-guy-j8z]

Iniesta it's not best but he is one of them, probably in the top 10

[@jigmetrabstan3232]

Now Messi has won it... Shaka .. GOAT IS HERE

[@xrpedro]

I’m waiting to see his FACE LMAOOOO

[@saadsalam]

He already answered in funny way: we will have a discussion on next/right time.

[@cryptodeity]

@@saadsalamLMAO! He still hasn’t answered it tho. He came out with a segment hours ago and STILL hasn’t said it 😂😂😂😂

[@ducatarina]

Everybody now saw the reality Pelé died, the GOAT Died, y´all kids wake up, Messi is Top 3 perfect for him

[@Ectooooo]

⁠@@ducatarina messi is atleast top 2 never top 3 what are you talking about who is above messi according to you besides pele? Maradona if you say that rewatch football messi has two times more goals than maradona also has more assists record much more trophies better dribbling messi literally beats maradona in everything also good to remind maradona never scored on a world cup final Messi has a record harder than pele in 2012 he scored 91 goals in a single year Pele him won 3 world cups but ronaldo won two world cups but also ronaldo got with bresil to finals against france in 1998 meaning if they didn't lose this match ronaldo would have equalised pele record so messi record since it has been beaten no one got ever close to it but pele record since it was done someone got very very close to it proving messi record is much harder than the 3 world cups of pele

[@FAZIEDITS]

Who is here after Messi wins World cup

[@xrpedro]

Me 🙋🏻‍♂️ LMFAO I’m DYING to see his reaction 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@jaycee9540]

Messi is now champion of the world he has officially surpassed Pelé and Maradona as the greatest of all time 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻

[@ducatarina]

Everybody now saw the reality Pelé died, the GOAT Died, y´all kids wake up, Messi is Top 3 perfect for him

[@nikovidovic3410]

@@ducatarina MESSI FAR BETTER THAN Maradona and Pele

[@ducatarina]

@@nikovidovic3410 he´s better than maradona

[@puntguyrko]

@@ducatarina He's better than Pele top😂😂😂 pele literally played against semi professional players, was injured for an entire world cup and has openly lied about his records...

[@ducatarina]

@@puntguyrko Stay in your bubble LOL, Messi never was better than Pelé you delusional LOL, Pelé just did better everything that Messi did

[@Tcomps31]

Who's here after Messi won it

[@Dralichane]

Messi couldve retired 3 years ago and he would still be the GOAT

[@runrafarunthebestintheworld]

No, He's still way too far from being "the GOAT" quit joking.

[@angelrosado3011]

facts

[@joecolas6965]

fuck penaldo

[@mmarwaan6378]

Run Ronaldo Run #THEBESTINTHEWORLD it's not a joke dumbass?

[@mukherjee4217]

Run Ronaldo Run #THEBESTINTHEWORLD yeah well right. Ronaldo isn't even close to being called the GOAT. so plz stop joking around

[@doublef8817]

What a stupid and contradictory argument! When you believe this, you MUST also believe that Arbeloa is better than Maldini since Arbeloa achieved both the World Cup and the Euro, and Maldini did not. You also Must believe that Materazzi, an awful defender is better than Gerard, Messi, Cristiano, Raul, Figo, Beckham..etc, just because he scored in the World Cup final and Italy eventually won. I mean Shaka, C'mon, just use your brain and think for a little bit, what was Ryan Giggs's fault that he was not born in Brazil or Spain. Why would you blame Ibrahimovic for not being a Germany citizen! Yes, its fu**ing irrelevant! Most people pick their GOATS based on their performance in the field, and that's the right thing to do. We do not need these complicated and philosophical arguments that don't make any sense.

[@hellowalkman4506]

Fahad Alamer Pele was also a performer you know.

[@daprinceofhiphop]

Pele & @Cristiano are the GREATEST OF ALL-TIME.

[@tronpunk7241]

you are talking like arbeloa and Materazzi were on shitty national teams. its normal for a country with a great squad to win a world cup or euro, but to win a big competition beacuse of the influence of one player its not normal at all...

[@kamilkozaczenko8160]

Its more coplicated because Materazzi is not crutial player on his team like Messi and its defender not midfield or attacker so his performance is not so affected on overall team performance like position like creative player like Messi or Ronaldo so its not compare him to atracker only to defender like arbeloa that's why we compare Messi to Pelle not Messi to Tiago Silva or other defender

[@andrew2450]

Fahad Alamer Arberloa better than Maldini was he hell shut up you fucking dumbass

[@MCFC248]

How can these people make this massive sweeping statements before Messi's career is even over?

[@kingcalboss]

Agreed!

[@wafiishmam8667]

You really think Argentina's gonna win a world cup before Messi retires?

[@morpheussandman3984]

Will Messi won 3 world cups with 46 years?

[@omoigberalerex1137]

@@wafiishmam8667 lol 4 years later you eat your words?

[@mango3468]

@@wafiishmam8667 yes

[@yannyowane795]

A player doesn’t win the World Cup. Instead, it’s a team effort. Messi is the best player ever. The galactic of Real Madrid comprised of players like Raul, Ronaldo de Lima, Figo, Roberto Carlos, Zidane, D.Beckham, and many others never won a champions league. Never. Having talents in your team doesn’t guarantee a championship. You need to have players that have a great chemistry and are ready to sacrifice for one another. Argentina players expect Messi to do some magic every time. Messi has the ball, but you don’t see nobody around him. Everybody is there standing waiting for a magical move. How are you gonna win like that??

[@TexassMadee]

Yann yowane Roberto Carlos, Figo, Zidane, & Raul won the champions league?

[@yannyowane795]

L read what I said correctly. I mentioned 6 players.

[@4k60-i1r]

I guess you need a magical move

[@brucebanner3935]

maradona won it singlehandedly in 86. so shut up

[@Mr.A..]

Yann yowane i think you confused yourself mate

[@iAmPrice]

well pele played for a team which didn't need him at the 2nd wc they won. forget to mention there was no offside rule.

[@AH-co9fs]

Anirban Singha learn about football

[@luccavalentinw.fiorini2302]

yes there was offside rule

[@djhdjxjkc7476]

He played at 17 didn't he?

[@luccavalentinw.fiorini2302]

@@djhdjxjkc7476 yes he scored 6 goals and 1 assists in 4 matches. A hat-trick against france in the semis and 2 in the final against sweden. And a winner against wales in the quarter finals. The only other that came near this is mbappe scoring 1 goal in the final in 2018 with 19 years old

[@AH-co9fs]

There was offside, why do you need to lie to fill your narrative

[@themanwithnothingtolose]

And now that he's won a WC. They're still not giving him credit

[@akashshetty4868]

Who is here after Messi wins the WC !!!

[@KS-ep2kx]

I’m here Messi the greatest to ever do it

[@talibunajat8178]

i remembered shaka's comment! which has now been proven wrong

[@meetthereqs]

messi is a great player, pele is still the goat 🙏

[@xrpedro]

Me 🙋🏻‍♂️ waiting to see what he has to say now lmaooooo

[@tejas94]

Champions league is definitely tougher than the world cup. You got the best teams in the world with the best players in the world together in the single competition. Yes, the pitches are better than before making it less tougher than earlier. But at the same time, the quality of defenders was way poor than what it is now. Defenders are fast, tough and harder to get by. Now, why I feel why his argument against messi on pele's world cup achievements is way off. 1) He claims Pele won 3 world cups. Yes it is true. But, he sat out the large majority of the 1962 World Cup. It was Garrincha who singlehandedly won the World Cup for Brazil, not Pelé. And when Pele compiled his best 125 achievements, he didn't even mention his name who was solely responsible for winning the world cup for Brazil. 2) Pelé Was Outperformed in Every Single World Cup. He was never even a silver boot winner. For the years - (1958, 1962, 1966, 1970), Golden boot winners goals - (13, 4, 9, 10) Pele's goals - (6, 1, 1, 4). 3) Pelé needs a reality check regarding his FIFA World Cup achievements. He doesn't hold any of these world cup records: Most World Cup goals, Most World Cup goals in one final, Most World Cup goals in one tournament, Most World Cup goals in one game, Most World Cup games, Most World Cup games won, Most World Cup tournaments. Moving out of the world cup stats: Pelé Didn't Officially Score 1,283 Goals. Pelé did score 1,283 goals, but 526 goals came in unofficial friendlies and tour games. He even counted games he played for the Sixth Coast Guard in the military competition. He officially scored 757 goals in 812 games. As great as Pelé's goal scoring ratio was, it pales in comparison to Fernando Peyroteo. Overall: If you want to talk quality, yes pele was one of the greatest to ever grace the pitch. His touch, finishing, pace was unmatched back in those days. You were just mesmerized. He was a league apart from the players he played against at that time. Having said that, people will agree that Messi is also a league apart (or even from a different planet) from modern footballers. Now I just want to point out how the game has evolved since, you have tactical/data analytics, you have information about each players moves, strengths, weakness thanks to technology. The level of defending has risen since Pele played. Also, when you consider champions league, you are against the best of the best defenders and midfielders put together in a single team. Pele rarely faced such an opposition. Final Thoughts: When Messi plays, he starts from the midfield and makes his way to the box. Such a joy to watch. Pele was a perfect center forward, just like ronaldo (both the Brazilian and CR7). That's what differentiates Messi from the rest. In short: Messi - The GOAT

[@bolzac2168]

you actually presented your arguements so well, amazing, u dont see that often, btw i agree with every single thing u said, good job :)

[@howtomaketacoswithjuan3045]

NIce comment but let me put it in this term Pele was the only one who broke the bounder of football Messi learned from Pele and God gave Pele's skills to Messi but only a bit Pele was the most complete player of all time. Also everyone thinks Messi might be batter than Pele we never saw him play before then there wasn't any cameras or anything and the quallity was bad enough and before then balls we're harder and shoes were harder as well (good power but more uncofrtablness and bad aim) But Pele broke through it untill any player broke through Pele's bounders then all I can say is everyone is under Pele.

[@tejas94]

Maybe God didn't give his english skills to you :p jk @How to make Tacos with Juan

[@tejas94]

Thank you :) @BolZac

[@howtomaketacoswithjuan3045]

tejas94 uhh thanks?

[@justiceokesunday8422]

Who is here after Messi won the World Cup 2022

[@starmovies4580]

🤣🤣😂🤣

[@IcemanFreeman]

Messi the GOAT

[@runrafarunthebestintheworld]

No, He's so far from being that.

[@miguelatorres17]

Messi never won it back to back or won anything with afa

[@fernando18455]

Miguel Torres gold medal at the Olympics

[@kingcalboss]

Run Ronaldo Run #THEBESTINTHEWORLD ronaldo dick diver lol

[@daprinceofhiphop]

Pele & @Cristiano are the GREATEST OF ALL-TIME.

[@mbusigumede2033]

Shaka thinks we've forgotten 😏.......

[@intjrovert9611]

Shaka is stupid. So if Argentina didnt win the penalty shootout in the World Cup 2022 final, suddenly Messi is not he greatest ever? Even after he was the best player in that world cup (messi won the golden ball)? Football is a team sport.

[@nonsense9867]

Not everyone accepted him as G.O.A.T before but they will do because he achieved every milestone that can be achieved by a footballer.

[@alonsuberi7560]

Messi was responsible for 73 (give or take a bit, I was too lazy too check) goals for Barcelona this season alone. That is the definition of a one man show. WC argument is the type thing my older brother says once I show him what Messi numbers are like on a season to season basis.

[@cryptodeity]

Hope your brother can finally admit it lmao

[@kun490]

Who cares what these pundits say? Messi & Ronaldo are greatest players currently...

[@mannyr5394]

Messing

[@sharanpannoo5927]

messi

[@bolzac2168]

true, i dont care how bad they criticise cr7, the man has done almost everything, along with messi, 4 UCLs, 5 ballon dor's, amazing stats. NO player will ever rule football for so long as they did. I love both of them and they will remain as the best players in the history of football for me. As for which is better ill go with messi, but it doesnt matter, they are both the best.

[@TheWtnigga]

Average Student cr7 doesnt come close to pele maradona zidane R9 cruyf dont bring a poacher into this

[@kun490]

john doe I said currently... He is second to Messi. I have a valid point to bring him in here.

[@kingcalboss]

That's a stupid statement. The game has evolved dramatically since peles days. Messi without a doubt is the GOAT. Messi will get his world cup this year. That guy will eat his words! He must be a ronaldo fan lol.

[@nickvonrosk8112]

KingCalBoss Just because the game has evolved doesn’t automatically mean that Messi is the GOAT. Pele revolutionized the game and was years ahead of his time. While Messi may be the most talented player ever he has had no where near the impact on football players like Pele or Cruyff had.

[@runrafarunthebestintheworld]

KingCalBoss LoL You're just making excuses for Messi.. Typical.

[@anthonym6202]

Messi Is not even the 10 best in all time you can’t rank a man who has lost how many finals with his country as the greatest 2 copa America losses and one World Cup final loss. I think that speaks for itself. Plus when you had guys like Henry, eto, Suarez,Neymar, play with you yea it makes your life so much easier.

[@festivevibe]

KingCalBoss Messi will NEVER win the world cup

[@Prince-mb8hy]

how can messi be the GOAT if he can't win a single world cup. The GOAT should be someone who does it all including club and country. Messi can't even win the Copa america and people calling him the GOAT. LMAO.

[@emmanuelugbe7478]

It took years for Messi to win the world cup but my oh my did this age so well. It's even sweeter seeing this recommended to me after Shaka declared Messi as the GOAT 😆.

[@Krato65]

Now what, he has to win 3 more World cups to be the GOAT. 🤡

[@footballonTiktok]

I'm here just to hear him say that again....This has aged beautifully.

[@husskaraouni8050]

Been a Madrid fan for 20 years, and still is. But any real football fan knows that Messi is from a different planet. Easily the best Player I have ever seen. I cant compare him to players from another generation, cuz i did not see them play. Saying Messi is not the best, because he did not win the world cup is plain stupid.

[@nepaliguy6537]

huge respect.

[@jordanmichael3002]

huss karaouni the thing a lot of people don’t argue that he isn’t the best. That to most is a rhetorical question. The question is “is he the greatest?”

[@kevinrivera7047]

Finally.

[@jsnagra1able]

huss karaouni watch Maradona’s full 90 minute matches from the 1986 World Cup they are on KZbin. All 7 matches. You will not think Messi is better after you see that. Maradona in his prime was the most incredible player of all time. These English guys on ESPN won’t give Maradona any credit because they hate him for the hand of god.

[@rohitpandey9920]

@@jsnagra1able maradona did that for 7 matches with a good team and a good coach. Give Messi both of those things and he will win every trophy you want

[@faizanshaikh3270]

Pele was playing in the 50s and 60s in the world cup and winning them where their was no compitition , today Messi does everything to prove that he is the greatest of all time by playing among the best in the world and beating them😎😎 Can't judge a player with world cup .

[@tcminyc]

faizan shaikh who ever you are go and watch the World Cup finals where Messi is the best player on the field and nobody knows where he’s at

[@faizanshaikh3270]

That's what I'm saying Messi is the best of all time players who never played world can't judge him!!!

[@jamesbacharles3502]

Santos destroyed European giants Manny time in club world cup

[@bowsergp]

sure i wont judge him on not winning the world cup.. but i will judge him on losing in the finals of a international competition 3 TIMES IN A ROW

[@Juveenyle]

But he choked in the World Cup 🤔🤣

[@edward1412]

Steve Nicol in this video claimed that Messi is the best ever, however, after Messi winning the world cup, he picked Maradona ahead Messi. I'm confused.

[@bigbosscafe2467]

hahaaa....thts true😂

[@alyjam]

Not only the CR7 fanboys are salty about the ascension to godhood of Messi...

[@rogger972]

​@@alyjamNah BRO IMAGINE MESSI IN PORTUGAL . NI WC FOR SURE . CHANGUNG CLUB 4 TIMES MESSIS STATS WILL BE VERY LOW. THERE IS NO GOAT IN FOOTBALL .

[@Freezyfreezymarira5555]

Messi has just won the world cup

[@beast29399]

Messi was once asked 5 ballon d'Or or world cup to which he replied "obviously world cup because it is all about the team and world cup is the biggest achievement in football" so I think Shaka is quite right

[@cletosnyika]

Just here to say....the GOAT did GOAT things in 2022

[@meetthereqs]

Pele is still the goat period. Messi has 2 more to win before that debate.

[@fcbballer1032]

@@meetthereqs 😂😂😂 stop it Messi is the Goat Pelle is just Under Messi and Above C Ronaldo

[@meetthereqs]

@@fcbballer1032 Its Pele, Marodonna, Messi, CR9, CR7 anything else is incorrect.

[@fcbballer1032]

@@meetthereqs heck nah Messi,Maradonna,Pelé,Cruijf, Cr9,Cr7

[@meetthereqs]

@@fcbballer1032 you still have it mixed, pele has 3 wcs . Messis up there though.

[@Dralichane]

Pele and Maradonna are icons in the same categorie as ronaldinho and brazilian Ronaldo. If you have ever played soccer you would understand why Messi is the GOAT

[@eldio2124]

Driss Alichane So footballers that don’t say messi is the goat, those people never played football? Looooooool delusion of grandeur

[@forshigity5000]

ok 8 year old

[@mightyreyes3020]

Club 🐐

[@xaviervega468]

Ronaldo 9 is better than Messi.

[@tt0702]

Xavier Vega r9 best season is Messi when’s he’s playing bad literally no comparison Messi is level above r9 and even cr7 is better

[@nimishwarikoo6556]

Rest in peace Paul 🙏

[@09fj23]

One thing I can tell you ,when Messi played bad game >= other played good games.

[@amitmayanglambam]

No one should be called the GOAT... different era mark different challenges. Pele's time and present are quite different. It is almost impossible to invent an idea out of nothing without any stimulus... almost every invention is due to a stimulus conducive at a particular time and place to evolve...and so is Messi. Had Messi was born in a country where football is not popular, he will not be the player he is today. As a child, he must be exposed to such football for him to pickup and evolved. As an example let me ask one thing.... Aeroplane was invented by Wright brothers but the aeroplane they built by today's standards ...after understanding the aerodynamics..if someone build a supersonic fighter aircraft...is he greater than the Wright brothers? Greatness should be measured in terms of the era how Pele was as compared to other players in his era because every other players were exposed to almost the same situation and environmental stimuli which shape a player.....

[@abdoulkarimsako2977]

Fully agree!

[@aranighosh3945]

Agree

[@thiagohavoc]

Precisely

[@izukwacha]

I love Shaka Hislop! Man knows football like hell! Excellent thought process. For the lil kids that started watching football in 2006, Non Europeans stayed in their leagues back in the day, Brazilian league was one of the best leagues in the world, European leagues was not what it is today. Santos, Flamengo and Vasco Da Gama beat European teams when they met in nation club tournaments. Brazil and Argentina won the world cup 4 times outta 6 from 1958 to 1978. The Champions League was garbage then, overhyped by European media, Ballon d'or given to only Europeans before 1991. Pele bossed that generation, went against all time defenders like Beckenbaur, Gentile, Vogts. Maradona bossed Baresi, Sensini while Ronaldo delima bossed Maldini, Nesta, Stam. Lionel Messi is in the GOAT barca team. A system that buys the best players to 'support' you. Not even a single Copa america, not even a single world cup goal in the KO stages, not a stellar performance in a world cup final. Not a stellar performance in a Copa final, ballooned a penalty kick in a Copa final and retired, not a leader, not decisive for Argentina. In Argentina, it's Maradona, Kempes, Batistuta, before messi. Even Cannigia won them their last Copa in 1993. The term GOAT has been thrown around alot. Messi has done NOTHING exceptional outside Barcelona and that ain't GOAT behaviour for me. The Higuain blame game is the dumbest thing I've heard and that old reporter in the middle should be ashamed of himself cos he thinks like a toddler.

[@andyramirez7954]

izu kwacha so by your dumb logic gotze is better than messi just because he win the world cup

[@PlayboiOck]

wya now 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@andrewgriesel1049]

​@@PlayboiOck Bro typed all of that just to be proven wrong 😭😭😭

[@ugawinner7731]

This a difficult debate comparing different eras but Pele still got the stats on his side, record number of goals, club championships and 3 world cups. Messi at club level has been phenomenone. But surely if he doesn't help Argentina win the WC, people will argue that it was because at Barca he was equally surrounded by all time great talents like Xavi, Iniesta, Eto, Pique and now Suarez

[@megasalexander927]

Pele played against villages lol. He were surrounded by greatest generation of Brazilian footballers. He was injured whole tournament (1962). He won best player if the tournament just once!!! Messi won it twice.

[@sketchturner73]

Pelé played against workers, his teammates were at his level, offside was not as strict as it is today and defense tactics were archaic back then.

[@MrIncredibleGuy]

Pelé didn’t play in the 1962 WC and in 1970 Brazil would’ve still won without him. But hey, now that Argentina has won, it’s safe to say this debate is over.

[@MargaritaRodriguez-bh5ho]

The UCL is basically a World cup every year, maybe better. Because some players like Jovic, Bale, Robertson, Matic, Oblak, or Son heung min dont have the chance to play in the World Cup because of the country they play for, or age. But every year, prove themselves on the big stage where all the great players play in the UCL no matter what country they are from. Díd Maradona, Pelé win a UCL. Maradona played for Barcelona, and Napoli, Pelé played for a brazilian team, but could have made the move to europe to compete. Plus Pelé would score like 7 goals a game because of the level of competativness in the brazilian league.

[@kypriee]

Mate they will always set obstacles for Messi and he will keep conquering them 😂

[@jipster7028]

They played in completely different eras. Can't be compared

[@trumpetmusic5672]

Shaka's thought process: "Pele is the goat because he was born in Brazil"

[@bradyy_yy]

What a stupid mention he made tho 😂

[@angadgrewal7386]

Pele is goat bcoz he made Brazil a powerhouse of soccer messi is not great national player a great club player

[@angadgrewal7386]

Argentina is failing having messi augers higuain what makes messi great if he can’t win one trophy pele made it happen thrice even cr7 did it

[@fidelomondi3514]

Angad Grewal even people dont compare cr7 with legend s its only messi

[@zerotwosixty7416]

Angad Grewal cr7 is surrounded by world class player Messi is surrounded with Higuain 😂

[@leroyamon6540]

I love how you see pundits arguing on messi being the best ever, but only Ronaldo fanboys saying he is

[@apc7076]

Here comes Lio Messi AKA GOAT to answer every hater's questions by his achievements.

[@michelnaouss748]

Pele didn't play in his second world cup.Wast voted the best in his first and wasn't the top scorrer in his third

[@mulukifle8087]

Messi is not the best until he wins world cup period

[@ollyv26]

@@mulukifle8087 well what about pele with club football he not the best cos he didn’t win naff all in club football

[@mdzaidshaikh1863]

​@@mulukifle8087 Where are you boy come out

[@masimbasaruwaka653]

Messi GOAT has won the 2022 world cup! Eat your words Shaka!!!

[@raulsanchez7157]

Messi will not win the World Cup not because he is not the greatest player of all time (can’t believe that is even being questioned) but simply because he does not have the squad necessary to win it. Argentina simply does not have a squad. It sucks because if he won it he would be able to shut all the haters up once and for all. People will feel so bad once Messi is gone from the pitch and only then will everyone look back and feel ashamed of ever debating this man’s brilliance.

[@runrafarunthebestintheworld]

I won't miss Messi. He's an overrated stat padder.

[@mcduru9079]

Raul Sanchez Thank you! Finaly someone who makes sense.

[@kromexstylezzkromexstylezz9636]

Run Ronaldo Run lmao shut up

[@andrew2450]

Raul Sanchez even with a brilliant team he wouldn't win the world cup sit down and shut up

[@SomeySasami]

Run Ronaldo Run #THEBESTINTHEWORLD Not like he dribbles past 5 defenders with ease or is a deadly playmaker it's not like when Argentina play without him they lose everything

[@t.m.7192]

Shaka thought Messi would never win World Cup 😂. Poor guy 🤡🤡🤡

[@sld1776]

This is possibly the dumbest thing Shaka has said, and it takes some doing.

[@neurophilosophers994]

IF YOU CANNOT SEE THAT MESSI IS THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME. THEN YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT FUTBOL, YOU ARE UNFIT TO TALK ABOUT FUTBOL, AND YOU DO NOT FEEL FUTBOL WITH YOUR HEART.

[@aktharchowdhury2379]

Pele is the greatest. The only reason he didn't win 4 World Cups was due to the foul play committed against him in the 66 World Cup. He was the most complete footballer that ever lived. A finisher as good as Romario. I can't think of anyone better than him in the air. All the moves and skills you see from the modern footballers, he was doing in the 50's. The classic BS argument about the standard of league yadayada is dumb given that Santos destroyed the great European teams of that era in 'friendly' games held every season. One big thing not factored in is the quality of the pitch, the hardness of the ball and the footwear used in Pele's era. I'd like to see Messi do what he does on a Sunday league pitch wearing those boots and using the old style football. You also have to factor in that Messi plays his football for Barcelona. He has been surrounded by all time greats his entire time there. The Argentina squad has been stronger than it ever has. The 86 squad had Maradona and 10 other players and he carried them to victory. Shaka is on point but where I disagree is that even if won the next World Cup, he'd still not on Pele's level.Read more Show less

[@FranciscoGarcia-wc5mf]

Messi is cursed with his crappy international team!!!

[@samvanderas8450]

Francisco Garcia true

[@btmz1753]

Francisco Garcia have you seen their international team? Argentina is stacked with world class players

[@samvanderas8450]

Prominent Style But they fail to work as a team. All they do is give the ball to Messi and expect him to do everything

[@eldio2124]

Francisco Garcia “Crappy” loooool, now you fanboys will resort to calling world class players “crappy” to protect your hero who hasn’t won the World Cup or copa America with his country

[@patrickchan1373]

Prominent StyleHave you seen them played without Messi? They were jokes. They almost didn't get qualified because Messi missed a bunch of games. However, I think the coach has a large part to do with that.

[@dleoner1]

I will start by saying I’m not here to offend anyone, I’m here to speak from research and knowledge of the game that I’ve played, respected and loved over the last 40 years. The majority of the people that say that Pele is the greatest player of all time have probably NEVER watched a match of his besides highlights or stats on a sheet or maybe your dad telling you he saw him play once. Do yourself a favor and find some matches and watch him play, look at how skillful his teammates are and look at the level of competition he had during his time. It’s easy to form an opinion on a current player because we have the ability to watch them play several times a week. I’ll admit that Messi is one of the greatest, but not THE greatest. Top 5 easily. I do believe he will jump Pele if he wins the World Cup, but if he does, he still won’t be number one in my eyes. But that’s for another day. These are the two main reasons people jump on Pele train: 1: Pele won 3 World Cups. You can’t doubt the mans hardware. He was the youngest player to play in the finals at the age of 17. Amazing feat. However, in one of those World Cups, Pele only played half the tournament and his absolutely stacked team went on to carry Brazil to a World Cup. During those World Cups, Peles teammates consisted of the likes of Clodoaldo, Didi, Tostão, Rivellino, Carlos Alberto, Nilton Santos, Gérson, Jairzinho and most importantly, Garrincha. If you don’t know who the last one is, do some research. I’ll wait. Concerning those World Cups, how many teams were in the tournament at the time? How many games did a team actually play? Also, does anyone know how many Copa America’s did he win? I’ll wait. 2: Pele scored over 1000 goals!! How many of them were unofficial friendlies and tour games against extremely subpar competition? Yes he scored at the National team level. However, he only played for two clubs throughout his career, Santos and the Cosmos. One would ask why he never left to play overseas. My answer is would Messi ever leave a STACKED team like Barcelona while he’s winning championships? Doubtful. When you’re surrounded by the best players in the world on your team, it’s easy to stay. Pele is undoubtedly one of the greatest players, if not, athletes in the history of soccer. However, I believe that people are quick to claim he’s the greatest just because. This will always be a heated topic, but like I said in the beginning, this is only my take.

[@ucheokeke4780]

so who do you think is the GOAT?

[@davies93313]

........'''''' Bella Kona 1 year ago Between the word "official" and word "friendly", people doesn't know that a lot of "official" games are less competitive than "friendlies"! Which is less competitive? : 1- A friendly match between Santos and European elites was like a war to prove who is the best in the World. 2- An official match between Barcelona and Getafe (or any second division team) in the second leg of Spanish cup after everything was finished in the first leg. 3- An official match between Olympic Brazil and Olympic Panama. From another angle, friendlies are not that easy to compete in and to shine, if anyone plays 3 matches a week (1 friendly + 2 officials) this will effect his stamina, power, concentration, and it will effect his entire season. This has to mean something. Some young people are trying to delete more than 500 goals in 500 games of Pele's rich career for the sake of debate just like that, but only with his official goals he is still way better than everyone. I remember a friendly tournament in 1997 between Brazil, France, Italy and England, The tournament which Roberto Carlos scored his wonder goal .. This tournament was much more competitive than league games against weak and midplaced teams+ Friendlies of Santos against Europeans in the time of Pele were a bigger event than local matches. Artur Koort said: "Pele usually, if not always, played against the best teams of europe (top 4 teams) while Maradona played against outsiders and midplaced teams as well. at least, 75 percent of Pele's games against europeans were against top teams while 10 or 20 percent of Maradona's can be against top teams. It is like: Pele plays against 20 games Milan, Juventus, INter and Maradona plays 3 games against them and the remaining 17 are against outsider clubs." Show less 3 REPLY Bella Kona 1 year ago "many goals scored in friendlies". people really don't know much about the context of football at the 60's right? There was no TV, shirts incoming or big sponsors. What clubs were used to get their money from (Santos kept the base of a team who won 3 of 4 WC, do you think it was cheap?).... TICKETS. How many games Pele played? Do you think is easy to achieve such a constant pattern? 1 REPLY Bella Kona 1 year ago 4 gerações de jornalistas, cronistas, pesquisadores, historiadores e biógrafos que fizeram a contagem dos gols e estatísticas do Rei do Futebol não contavam com os tais gols oficiais e não-oficiais, porque gols oficiais e não-oficiais não eram a coisa mais importante, nem sequer tinha qualquer importância até 1971, quando Pelé jogou seu último encontro pela Seleção Brasileira. Se alguém falasse em gol oficial ou gol não-oficial naquela época, diziam que era maluco. Read more 1 REPLY

[@davies93313]

REPLY .....'''''Leonardo Guerreiro1 year ago John Cazie, Formerly, the Copa Libertadores was not important for the Brazilian teams. There was a lot of violence, the transport system was precarious and the champion did not receive money. There was no advantage for Brazilian teams to participate. Santos and the biggest teams in Brazil did not participate. The Paulista Championship was more important than the Copa Libertadores. The Copa Libertadores only became important for Brazilians in the 1990s. For Santos, it was more advantageous to tour the world to pay their players. There were no sponsors, marketing, commerce ... etc. teams would only make money if they played. A month's salary for Messi, is much more than Pelé received throughout his career. Show less 3 REPLY 0 01 year ago Thank you very much Leonardo for these useful information. I always wondered why did not they play more in the Libertadores Cup as I felt it would enhance Santos reputation as the best club in the world. It seems that the Libertadores was not as important for the Latin clubs as the European cup during that era REPLY '''''........

[@thiagohavoc]

I hate how R9 is left out of when arguing who's the best of all time this guy was absolutely phenomenal and should be given more recognition

[@jsnagra1able]

Messi doesn’t have a single goal in the World Cup knockout stage. Shaka is right. Maradona is the best ever.

[@jsnagra1able]

Messi is not the same player in the World Cup as he is in Barcelona. Even his body language isn’t right in the World Cup. In Barcelona he’s surrounded by superstars that help him.

[@mango3468]

now what

[@jsnagra1able]

@@mango3468 Messi had an angry determination in this world cup than he didn't have in previous ones. Bravo to him he deserved to win it

[@Wow-mo3os]

Rational

[@jsnagra1able]

@@Wow-mo3os he finally proved me wrong in 2022. I'm happy for him!

[@yupadej4361]

Differentiator between Messi and Pele ...LOL it ain't even close . Don't compare the guy who scored 0.3 goals per game in Brazilian professional league to the GOAT . Guys like Raheem Sterling can score a lot against all those amateur sides he played against in a weak era with just pace. Pele doesn't even come close to CR7 let alone Messi.

[@wcallstar4]

I think the main point where Shaka’s reasoning falls apart is that in Pele’s time the World Cup was the pinnacle of world football. Today, I think the Champion’s League is the pinnacle because the best players are able to play in it regardless of country of origin. So it’s somewhat irrational to try and negate Messi’s accomplishment. It is definitely a valid to factor in international play, but it’s not like Messi isn’t performing. He’s gotten unlucky in multiple finals. I mean even making three back to back finals says something because Argentina rely heavily on his play. I think Shaka is very stubborn and using an flawed line of reasoning which he’s entitled to.

[@MotivatedStudent2000]

The CL is a piece of low quality.

[@lincolnkwim4284]

When He won the world cup Shaka was still hesitant to give messi his honors. He certainly ate his words coz he never thought messi would win the world cup 😂

[@matthewknoesen6341]

Pele was an amazing player of his time don't get me wrong. He might of won 3 world cups but it was in a different era of football. Back then Brazil had a team which out ranked all the other countries in the world and ruled football. Back then not everyone was PROFESSIONAL so it would be a lot easier for people to score goals and there were less games in the world cup so it was easier to get to the final. Also Shaka half of Pele's goals were NOT official. Now getting to Leo Messi he can do it all score headers, firebricks, penalties, left foot , right foot and assist. Messi has been at the top of football for 15 Years. He has so many trophies- team and individual. Messi is the greatest player of all time. The difference between Pele's Brazil and Messi's Argentina was that Brazil ruled the football world in the world cup during Pele's time and now Messi is the only player even though he is first in the top 20 best players in the world for Argentina.

[@forshigity5000]

Pele is the best ever. He could do everything, literally. I'm 59 and saw pele and Messi.

[@seds94]

Messi isnt a number and scored 91 goals in a calender year. That is the record

[@kamhushan1664]

No you never

[@MuttonBiryani1994]

Pele scored 127 goals 1959

[@pratikgazelli]

Comments from Shaka will age well

[@xrpedro]

Hahahah I’m waiting for his reaction

[@frizza241]

Messi MUST WIN the world cup to be the GOAT.

[@apollohellen9018]

1.pele 2.maradona 3.di stefano (didn't play in wc) 4.ronaldo lima 5.beckenbauer 6.cruyff 7.zidane 8.messi

[@NeonLeonNoel]

"Better" is subjective, and if you want to settle it, you should come up with an agreed upon set of criteria by which to compare the two. If it's simply, the variety of what you've won, then sure, Pele won the world cup and Messi hasn't. But theoretically, if Argentina won the world cup, while Messi laid in the middle of the pitch and took a nap every single game, by Hislop's definition, then he's better than Pele based on the sole fact that he won a World Cup. Hislop's analysis of who's better isn't actually a comparison of who's better, it's just a matter of who won the world cup and who didn't, he's not taking abilities, consistency, or challenge of opposition into account at all...

[@michaeltrumph121]

Wrong. Shaka doesn't say that everyone who won the World Cup is greater than Messi, he's just using that criteria to compare ATGs, and he means those that have had a big influence in their team winning it, not about those who simply were part of a winning team.

[@akshayakki670]

@@michaeltrumph121 So had higuain scored or aguero scored that goal in WC final ,then messi would be the GOAT huh because Messi contributed to Argentina path to WC 2014 by scoring 4 goals ,2 assists and also creating chances

[@michaelmaccrazy]

Thanks, KZbin for having this on my recommendations list. This aged beautifully.

[@BrunoLombardi8521]

The Supreme King PELE The Kings: CRUYFF, DISTEFANO, MARADONA and MESSI

[@lexico8165]

People seem to get butt hurt when someone say Messi isn't the G.O.A.T. & for some reason people get butt hurt when you look in history & say anyone but Messi

[@hellowalkman4506]

Lexico 81 not all people. Only Messi fanboys

[@lexico8165]

It's nice to know some people know about the history of this great sport!@@hellowalkman4506

[@hellowalkman4506]

Lexico 81 :)

[@nikolajakovljevic2706]

Pele with Santos beat every European team at that time

[@car10ss.aassjr]

Nikola Jakovljevic dude he played in weak ass Brazilians leagues, he scored 5-10 goals a game, and when he did face off against european teams he never scored😂😂

[@simphiwemhlongo6943]

Clearly he's never of johan cruijf he never won a world cup but he's considered one of the greatest players of all time

[@Biswajitjena.]

Pele scored some goals in his dream, He is even counting them also🤣🤣🤣

[@coraxhowedese9898]

Sad that Paul couldn't witness Messi lifting the world cup😢

[@kellymaharaj804]

Shaka never even won a tea cup

[@cremedelacreme1214]

pele couldve went to any club in the world he aint have to he did his thing every 4 years and he is goat nobody can change that

[@daprinceofhiphop]

Pele & @Cristiano are the GREATEST OF ALL-TIME.

[@abadedo]

Maradona won a world cup, cristiano didn't.

[@adam84657]

Show me footages of Pele dribbling with the ball past 3 players consistently, then I will consider the comparison. We are comparing players on their footballing abilities not their trophies.

[@marcoklaue]

Plenty of footage of that, bro...

[@MuttonBiryani1994]

Watch Pele 320 goals video

[@ViaLInVisible]

So if Ronaldo wins the WC no one will say he's the GOAT? Even though Ronaldo is the best CL player,one of if not the best PL OAT, top 3 la liga player OAT, and has the better international career than Messi

[@ded4lyfe1]

Maybe

[@factspk373]

Enrique Valencia ..fastest 100 UCL goals by messi...messi is greatest player in UCL

[@oussam123]

Because hes an overglorified goal poacher only RM fanboys believes ronaldo is the best now even his ex teammates dont want to speak on the matter becaude they respect him. Gerd muller was never considered better than cruyff but he wom the world cup thats how stupid that statement sounds

[@Hahaa99]

Enrique Valencia yep ronaldo has a better international career. I mean he was so good in Euro 2016 he had to be substituted in the 25th and won the final all by himself. Yep all credits to him.

[@TheJulienne21]

Thiyara 99 lol savage

[@TwiceBorn369]

Please please please can someone do a video of Messi’s top 3 goals in the knock-out stages of any World Cup. Oh and the one he scored in the World Cup Final. Thanks!

[@TwiceBorn369]

Balal Shah is it really?

[@shuvoroy6692]

man l love watching these...i don't care whose the best 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 ps: Messi the GOAT

[@conrathleibrandd1069]

i find it laughable bordering on a joke that an average keeper can be such a pundit on the worlds best players...what does the current crop of world class players say who is the best ?

[@Shawn17WiFi]

Exactly lmao

[@nsd3366]

Messi is a one club player. Brazilian Ronaldo is the GOAT.

[@nsd3366]

The champions league is much easier, than the world cup. World Cup is one leg, you either sink or swim, you have to score in the final and in the knockout round. Messi and Christiano Cr7 has never scored in the knockout round at the World Cupl in their carreer. Theyve only played for the best club with the best players in the world. Without that environment they are nothing thats why the consistency doesn't show internationally.They are they most consistent club players in history though. I'll give them that.

[@macrolen2003]

That bloke saying champions has more quality than the world cup is blasphemy.

[@tonisosic8803]

it without question has...its not even close

[@beyondthepage9389]

Shakas Hislops argument carries weight because Argentina Like Brazil are one of the 5 to 10 Nations that can and are expected to win Major competitions. Messi dose not play for Iceland or Greece, where qualification is treated like a major tournament victory, Argentina go to every major tournament with buoyed by a track record and the subsequent belief that they are one of the nations with a realistic chance of winning. Diego Maradona had to drag Argentina to 2 world cup finals (both against Germany) because the Argentina team and players he played with were not as good as the ones Messi played with (the 1986 world cup winning Argentina team was probably the worst team Argentina has taken to a world cup). And least we forget, Maradona won the Italian League title twice when he was with Napoli. They hand never won it before his arrival and they have not won it since. I think this conversation should still be about whether Maradona is better than Pele because as Shaka quite rightly says, Messi has not done enough where it matters most.

[@ancilditzen9377]

PELE is the greatest of all time

[@micklucas1451]

says the 12 year old

[@TheAfricanNightDemon]

Ancil Ditzen Nope, Hes been carried by a world class Brazilian team

[@car10ss.aassjr]

He’s a fraud

[@Vini9footy]

How is this guy a pundit ... there is no way World Cup is the highest level tournament ..

[@lansiquotdeterville534]

To compare Messi to Pele is an insult to the beautiful game. There are far more better players that retired muc h better that Messi. Zico, Maradona Ronaldo R9 etc. Messi and CR are club footballers simple as tagt

[@javathehut2700]

Pele did not win 3 world cups he only won 2 because he didn’t play at all in the second one he played in a time where there were only 8 teams playing at the World Cup and it was not as big as it is now pele did not score 1000 goals because he scored over 400 of those in his back yards and against farmers and not against professional footballers. Peles stats are over inflated and he is overrated

[@jogabonito8117]

Messis never even won the Copa America 😂😂😂

[@riccardoriva993]

Neither Maradona, I don't know how argentina didn't played a Copa America final during those years

[@pritam_chavan10]

I thought football is team player game

[@axelkristoff]

Messi's failures with Argentina will always be a stain in his career.

[@namedclaiming821]

@@axelkristoff Not really it depends how you see it and you take it like it’s the only thing that’s important

[@dhaanushl6465]

Joga Bonito. Now Messi has won Copa America. Delete your comment

[@jadchahhal1748]

Pele didn't win 3 World cups in 12 years, Brazil did.

[@neymarthegoldenboy4560]

Left foot, right foot, head.

[@AH-co9fs]

The Brazilian league in the 60s was the best league in the world

[@purplepump6058]

Shaka Shaka Shaka 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. Man never thought Messi could win the World Cup. See now 🤣🤣🤣🤣.

[@patricknelson1471]

losing two finals from chilie makes you the best ever

[@markarmage3776]

You can't be the goat if you can only do it in one team which is always filled with stars, Messi gets all the support a man could get, so is Ronaldo. The greatest should be the one can do it alone, for example, Lev Yashin.

[@jsnagra1able]

Mark Armage or Maradona in 86 World Cup.

[@mango3468]

messi now

[@abdelalidiazfraga1494]

1 Pelé THE G.O.A.T 2 Maradona 3 Distefano 4 Messi 5 Cruyff

[@abdelalidiazfraga1494]

Balal Shah jaaaaaaa

[@reddd-77]

Yikes

[@karlisonpereira8471]

To im Pelé is better. searching official and unofficial goals, you will get a result. I think the fact that he's black people think he's bad. There is a lot of conceit hidden in the world. PELÉ ALSO GAVE much more ASSISTANCE he was the cheeky pioneer in football. AND TO ME AND THE BEST OF ALL TIMES.

[@mrlobomau]

But Argentina are expected to win world cup with or without , before or after Messi era... just like brasil and Germany

[@DarkicaraxTFM]

are they? argentina are a big footballing nation but their 2 world cups came in an interval of 8 years. compare that to brazil and germany with their 4-5 scattered across history. the argentinians have high expectations but the truth is they rarely have a better squad than those u mentioned