Are Some Sins Worse Than Others?

Mike Gendron calls belief in venial sins a "doctrine of demons," and Evangelical Protestants often claim that "all sins is deadly." So why does St. John teach the exact opposite of this?
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[@FrJohnBrownSJ]

This is one of my favorite channels. Thank you so much for all of your work.

[@OPiguy35]

Hear hear!

[@J-PLeigh8409]

Amen

[@modernsaints7881]

Amen

[@jcf150_9]

Another great video! I read RC Sproul’s book on the gospel of John (given to me by a family member when I was investigating Catholicism) and noticed the same tendency you mentioned here. He came to John 3:5 and said “I have struggled with this text for more than 40 years, but I’m still not completely sure what it means. I know what Jesus meant by the reference to the Spirit… but I’m unsure what he meant by his reference to water. Some see this text as an oblique reference to baptism… but there was no reason for Jesus to expect a teacher of Israel to understand this(this being baptismal regeneration essentially)”. He acts like it’s an extremely complicated passage and then goes out of his way to imply the only one that is definitely incorrect is the idea that it is teaching the necessity of baptism. His theology forced him to ignore the plain reading of the text. I’m Catholic now…

[@keksteig387]

Virtually all criticism of Protestantism can be boiled down to this: They made the individual the ultimate authority of the interpretation of Scripture; hence the bazillions of denominations. What boggles my mind is how they can read passages where believers are beholden to obey their leaders in Christ and yet making exemptions for themselves to break away from the Church. Do they think Christ will somehow not hold them accountable for that?

[@glennlanham6309]

yeah, like John the Baptist (get it) was Baptizing, so why would Jesus be referring to Baptism of Water, duh?

[@BrianGondo]

I sincerely hope Mike Gendron also caught the fact that Jimmy Akin wrote an article correcting him way back in 2000

[@midairfortress]

I was an evangelical pastor for 10 years. I got removed from my pastorate and excommunicated from one church because I refused to go along with the idea that a man in leadership having an affair while sharing his wife with his brother, who was also in leadership, was no worse than garden variety lust.

[@dave_ecclectic]

It's a shame that those people who removed you....can't be removed.

[@PolymorphicPenguin]

That's horrible. No church, whether Protestant or Catholic, should be okay with leaders being in an adulterous relationship. It's totally unfair that you were the one punished for speaking up.

[@midairfortress]

It’s OK. God used it in amazing ways to shape me more into his likeness, of which I still fall infinitely short. I wasn’t always but I’m now grateful for the trial.

[@user-jd9zm4jf3t]

@@midairfortress Do you have eternal life?

[@josiahhockenberry9846]

Sounds like they did you a favor.

[@jacobwoods6153]

Jesus answered him, “You would have no authority over me at all unless it had been given you from above. Therefore he who delivered me over to you has the greater sin.” - John 19:11

[@joselongo1601]

Excellent quote

[@GizmoFromPizmo]

That's the perfect answer and it didn't take a 40-minute video. You gotta love the word of God. You handled that perfectly, bro. Good job!

[@jacobwoods6153]

Thanks. I'll also take all of Joe's videos. He does great work.

[@jeffallanday]

I am a Protestant. And you are exactly right that not all sins are the same. Most of this comes from a Calvinistic theology which I am completely anti Calvinist. I appreciate your channel. I like to hear others opinions even if they disagree with me. I like being challenged and I don't want to live in a an echo chamber.

[@N1IA-4]

This is precisely the issue I had in my (soon to be former) Lutheran Church. The Lutheran theological system assumes total depravity and the erasure of the imago dei at the Fall. It also has a "law/gospel distinction." There is little to no preaching on sanctification, avoiding sin, or the like. It is all declaratory. A steady diet of this has consequences, and one of them is assuredly a rejection of moral and ethical development. For how can sanctification increase if it is not preached weekly? Sin is just accepted as part of life (the implicit conclusion being "so why bother trying?". This is what helped me see the subtle and not-so-subtle issues present in Lutheranism (or at least the modern version of it) and how total depravity (as taught by Lutherans and Calvinists today) is so wrong. I'm attending a Catholic church now and plan to join OCIA in the Fall.

[@alexchristopher221]

God bless you in your spiritual journey to the fullness of truth.

[@Quekksilber]

I was a Lutheran as well before converting. The fact that in some protestant systems, sin can do what grace can't, namely, totally corrupt man's created nature, and leave it totally corrupted after justification while claiming at the same time that Catholic teachings like purgatory, mortal sin and justification as a process devalue the sacrifice of Christ on the Cross... that seems so absurd to me.

[@StringofPearls55]

@@Quekksilber That's a fantastic point. I never thought about it that way. You're right, it's absurd.

[@Forester-]

​​@@oldenoughtoknowbetter6473exactly where in the bible are we told to stay home and read the bible in lieu of attending church? Jesus pretty explicitly established a Church (Mt 16:18), granted authority to its leaders (Mt 18:18-20, Jn 20:23) and Paul tells us the Church is the "pillar and bulwark of truth" (1 Tim 3:15) The New Testament also has examples of people requiring a teacher to understand Scripture in the first place so you should not presume to have understanding (Acts 8:31, 2 Pt 1:20 & 3:16). We are also told to meet together (Heb 10:25).

[@Forester-]

@@oldenoughtoknowbetter6473 so every pair of Christians gathering together has the keys to the kingdom of heaven and the power to bind and loose? Who decides what constitutes a worship meeting? Does every assembly of Christians have the authority to determine what books belong in the Bible? How does the Church settle disagreements when every gathering of Christians has full authority to do so, why not find a church that simply agrees with your preconceived notions. What happens when multiple "churches" disagree about key issues? In what sense can we be one when we can't agree on the minimum requirements to be a Christian? Your idea of Church is neither biblical nor historical.

[@BrianGondo]

Brilliant point @22:31 ... the gymnastics of protestants holding two false claims. Brilliantly put

[@billymimnaugh3998]

Ha ha ha as the Catholics bend themselves into Pretzels trying to explain how Mary was sinless .Hilarious

[@BrianGondo]

@@billymimnaugh3998 do you have an intelligent thing to say about the matter at hand?

[@BrianGondo]

@@billymimnaugh3998 even if you right about Catholics and Mary (which you not) but even if you right it does not change the false claims of protestants. Please address that issue

[@patquint3291]

@@billymimnaugh3998”Behold Your Mother” by Tim Staples might be an interesting read for you.

[@mikeoconnor4590]

When I came back to the Catholic faith so many years ago - I realized there are sooooo many verses in scripture that cannot be harmonized with Protestant theology. The Catholic understanding is so rich - and so biblical.

[@dominicmonteiro]

Thats true ...i.hav3 always been a catholic..but i believe God gave me an opportunity to study other christian denominations. Though They are good but ...there r a lot of missing links in understanding of scripture etc and miss the point....for them its either all about success and growth or wealth .

[@tknciliba4743]

I loved your post. ❤❤👍👍 Please send me a scripture about believers praying to Mary.

[@dominicmonteiro]

@@tknciliba4743 there is no direct biblical reference of believers praying to Mary. But remeber praying to Mary simply means seeking her intercession. As early church tradition has it that believers prayed with her . During pentecost mary was there along with the disciples praying when the holyspirit came upon them in tongues of fire Elizabeth when she heard mary the baby lept with joy and she was filled with the spirit, this also signifies the presence of mary inturn also manifests the holyspirit. Through the holyspirit it was revealed to elizabeth about jesus the lord being born through mary the mother of our Lord. Further elizabeth calls her blessed among woman and she feels honoured thst the mother of ou lord (god jesus) came to meet her

[@tknciliba4743]

@@dominicmonteiro Christians don't believe in that, no Mary confirmation in 7957 verses of the New Testament.

[@GumbyJumpOff]

​@tknciliba4743 Mary was likely alive during the writing of much of the entire New Testament. Of course God wouldn't include in His Sacred Scripture anything about "praying to" (this is a confusing and misleading way of phrasing the intercession of the saints, by the way. We all use it, but should explain it or use another way if not) another creature who is alive on Earth in a human body. We ask Mary to pray for/with us, but we don't pray TO her as if she were the end, because she's not. The Lord is. And we have Him right there in our hearts and minds as we address this holy Mother of the Savior. We also don't "pray to" her as if she has the power herself apart from God to do anything, because she does not. Hope this helps a little. Also, Joe has a few videos on Marian devotion on this very channel! :-]

[@deanphilipsaunders775]

I so love the way you explain the Catholic theology Joe. I use your teachings and insight in my catechesis programs. Your talks always draw engaging and thoughtful interactions between our participants. God indeed gave you a gift. Thank you for sharing it mate.

[@Essex626]

Growing up as a Baptist, i was always taught this is referring to physical death--that some sins lead to the sinner being killed. This really doesn't make a ton of sense with the rest of the instruction around there, but that's what my circle of fundamentalist Baptists always taught.

[@JosephHeschmeyer]

Right! I thought about going into more detail there. Contextually, St. John earlier says that "we know that we have passed out of death into life, because we love the brethren. He who does not love remains in death. Any one who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him" (1 John 3:14-15), it's pretty explicit that he's talking about ETERNAL life, not that we were physically dead and resurrected. In this case, none of the Protestant sources that I focused on thought that the "physical death" theory had any legs (for the reason I just cited), so I basically nodded towards it and moved forward.

[@Quekksilber]

Well, it's easy to come to such conclusions if you think of the bible as verse after verse after verse which you can take and interpret each at a time. It's essentially the same problem as demanding prooftexting (chapter and verse, please?) for Catholic claims.

[@Darth_Vader258]

​@@JosephHeschmeyerTotal Depravity is *HERESY.*

[@jeffbraun7018]

Thank you. I'm in the process of converting back to Catholicism and.I love all of your work!

[@brandonmason3311]

I think one of the biggest challenges for Catholics (not Catholicism or Catholic doctrine, but everyday Catholics) and Protestants alike in correctly understanding distinctions between types of sins is understanding what sin itself is. And sin itself can be more challenging to understand or thoroughly define than most realize until they’ve been challenged to do so. And finally, all of those challenges are made much harder if you aren’t fully aware of the incredible depth of what exactly is being offered in salvation and what happens to us when Christ saves us: that we become grafted into the vine, members of the Mystical Body of Christ, taken up into Him truly through communion with Him in the Eucharist, and are made partakers in the divine nature. It’s such a radical gift that touches us at the level of being yet the profundity of it is often lost on us growing up. But anyway, if you don’t understand that, it’s hard to understand the nuances of sin and it often becomes frightening to talk about them, as if they’re arbitrary rules or categories we must avoid. I think this is why so many people react by either becoming scrupulous (me) or adopting the seemingly “simpler” Protestant view (me before that)

[@Quekksilber]

I have come to think about sin as a wound when looking at the very large, but non-mortal wounds of a patient at the hospital. I think the passage in John warrants such an understanding. There are wounds that straight up kill you. There are some that hurt you really bad but don't kill you. If on a natural level, I avoid even a tiny cut, how much more should I be vigilant with the wounds I inflict on my own soul, my relationship with God. Not every wound will separate me from the vine that gives me life. Christ is the heavenly physician and gardener that prunes us and cares for us. He wants our Good and our healing, for by His wounds, we are healed.

[@dave_ecclectic]

@brandonmason3311 Sin is simple. It is that which distances you from God. A venial sin distances you but does not cut you off from God or His grace. A mortal sin does cut you off from God and His Grace. Without His Grace it is harder to resist sin. With His Grace it is much easier to resist sin. This is common Catholic doctrine. It isn't all that complicated. 🙂

[@brandonmason3311]

@@dave_ecclectic yes, but there is also far more depth to it than those simple definitions, as with all theological truths. For you and for anyone who accepts those definitions with docility, the simple definition is enough. For someone who is struggling with those definitions for one reason or another, greater depth is needed to help them wrap their mind around it and overcome intellectual obstacles that are in their way.

[@dave_ecclectic]

@@brandonmason3311 I agree there is more depth, but that isn't what you had stated. You claimed that to understand or even to define sin was complex. it is quite simple and as being simple only requires a simple definition. If you have intellectual obstacles, then maybe those are the problem and not the definitions. He did say to come to Him as a child. Love God and your brother as yourself. Want it complicated.... read the Ten Commandments which says the same thing with more words. But every one of them only expands on those simple two.

[@brandonmason3311]

@@dave_ecclectic are you arguing for any particular purpose? It seems like an idle nitpick from my standpoint. As it is, you’re either overlooking or omitting the important word “thoroughly,” as in it is difficult to thoroughly understand or define the concept of sin or the distinctions between types of sins. I never said it was difficult to come up with simple propositions about what sin is, so I do not disagree with that statement. Unfortunately, many, many Protestants and even Catholics are hardwired by our culture to resist such simple definitions which rest on the top of a much deeper iceberg, and require a much more thorough and deep explanation of sin and soteriology in order to be able to understand the full implications of sin and grace, and therefore to be able to accept these distinctions wholeheartedly without suspicion or scrupulosity. That was my point. I’m really not sure what yours is.

[@ToddJambon]

It's clear even without scripture that some sins are worse than others. Everyone can think of examples where they feel particularly bad about doing certain things; whereas for other things, they recognize they made a mistake, but that it's clearly not as big of a deal.

[@timboslice980]

Imagine the dichotomy of believing your good deeds were as filthy rags to god, and no sin no matter how grave condemned you. Your deeds no matter how good dont matter to god and your sins no matter how bad dont matter to him. It makes you a psycho or lukewarm

[@shadowsteppah]

This is exactly my problem with such theology. It's logical conclusion is vile and utterly repugnant. "Doing good changes nothing, and I can do no wrong"

[@sandrametcalfe7483]

I am learning a great deal from your channel. Thank you

[@jaynesager3049]

Total Depravity is the T in Calvin’s TULIP. Sproule was a Calvinist, so of course, Mr. Sproule has to dance around it. But all sin is unforgivable to the Calvinist, unless you’re in the Elect (chosen for salvation). Then it’s all forgivable. Calvinismhas a lot of false teachings that wiggle and worm themselves into any Protestant church. Another reason I’ve chosen to become Catholic.

[@alpha4IV]

I’m am glad you corrected your mistake, when I heard you say that it bothered me, as I have read through Trent as a study recently and it seemed like a “dumb thing to say.” Even hyperbolically to make a point. But unfortunately, I fear someone like this guy or those who follow him will just use a slip of the tongue like that to label you dishonest or bad faith, and they will never hear the rest of your amazing message.

[@edwardgarsia2078]

Thanks for your terrific insights! I’ve been debating an Evangelical for years now and I wish I had this great content to have been able to share it with him over the years!

[@christinemcguiness9356]

Thank you Joe, I like how you explain everything in detail making it easier for us laity to comprehend. God bless you and your family🙏 from Scotland.

[@steverobey4682]

You do a wonderful job of laying out facts, and questions to let watcher make the decision. Definitely hooked.

[@johnflorio3576]

Mortal and venial sins are described in 1 John 5:16-17 for those who want to look up the relevant Bible verses.

[@scribblingscribe1184]

Thanks, Joe. It always seem obvious to me that if there is a hierarchy to the commandments, which Jesus himself affirmed by speaking of the greatest commandment(s), then there would also be a hierarchy with sin. If there is a greatest commandment, that would entail there is also a greatest infraction.

[@canibezeroun1988]

Why is someone who doesn't believe sin can keep you out of heaven mad that Catholic teaching says that's only true for venial sins? It would make more sense for them to believe all sins are venial than to say all are mortal.

[@claytonhull1277]

This was the video that I’ve been waiting for. It’s funny because some of these objections are the same ones that my best friend (a Baptist) has used against me. Saying that all sin is practically mortal sin unless one is saved (basing this off of Christ saying that the two GREATEST commandments were love God and neighbor but since we fail in that every day we sin mortally all the time). And that all of this is subjective because we don’t have an infallible list of mortal sins or that we, at least me that moment, could not give a good example of venial sin or a good definition as to what grave matter meant. I’m still researching this but it seems that the best from what I can summarize from different catechisms and the Summa is that, and please correct me here, the object, the act, is inherently diametric to God’s law no matter how one looks at it. Like murder, no matter how one looks at it, it is always wrong because a person always has the intent or will to kill someone out of some personal gain or hate or vengeance, while self defense is different because you want to protect yourself or your family and killing the aggressor is not necessarily your intent or will.

[@canibezeroun1988]

Someone who's studied grammar can correct me, but it was interesting to see Mohler accept the common noun form of sin, but not the collective form which we also use. I guess it's the difference between referring to plural events and actions and the concept outright.

[@JosephHeschmeyer]

Right! In both English ("sin") and Greek ("hamartia"), the word can refer to either a specific offense or the collection of offenses. For instance, when I ask to be forgiven my sin, you'd have to know from context whether I'm praying for the forgiveness of all of my sins, or asking someone to forgive me for something specific. So the text COULD refer to a single, specific sin, but it doesn't actually say that. They're reading that into the text.

[@bricat5798]

Thank you. I truly enjoy your shows.

[@sigmacronos9382]

Joel, perhaps one thing to consider that may add another dimension to this discussion is the sacrament of reconciliation.

[@paularnold3745]

At 2:30 Mike Gindron seems to not realize that Adam and Eve's sin was a MORTAL sin.

[@djo-dji6018]

It's hard not to think he's completely disingenuous.

[@JosephHeschmeyer]

Right. It's hard to read "of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall die” (Gen. 2:17) and not say, "Okay, this is a mortal sin!"

[@erikb3041]

@@JosephHeschmeyer would they understand death though, having no full understanding of its meaning, as they were the first?

[@Darth_Vader258]

​@@JosephHeschmeyerGod the Abba Father WARNED Adam and Eve I think. That if they ate the Fruit of the Tree they would surely die.

[@ShepherdMetalBand]

Excellent video!

[@shlamallama6433]

What a great video!

[@academyofchampions1]

Protestants believe that once you are “saved” you may go and sin willy nilly…. I am LDS.. we believe similar to Catholics in this regard. Some sins are certainly worse than others. And one is not saved until he stands before the altar of God and is allowed to enter. The atonement is for everyone, but one disqualifies himself when he sins and does not repent.

[@MisplacedTXN]

I recently found your channel, and I want you to know that I subscribed today!

[@michaelgrantham4994]

Thanks Joel that was great!!!

[@patricksauls1012]

Great show. A little correction. Bill Bright founded Campus crusade for Christ not Billy Graham I only correct this because i heard you say it on either your podcast or Catholic Answers. Anyway excellent job. Pat

[@JosephHeschmeyer]

Thanks, I couldn't remember the name of the group they co-founded in the moment. Billy Graham and Charles Templeton co-founded Youth for Christ International.

[@TheThreatenedSwan]

It seems most protestants tacitly believe in venial sins, but when more Calvinist types, like James White, emphasize their sect's views on this, it's usually to push their holier than thou attitude

[@willberthepig]

Even though I profess these things as a Catholic, it is so good to hear them and gives me better clarity on my own sins and understanding. Thank you

[@jaydowning5001]

Hey Joe...really appreciate all you do to put these episodes together. Great content, great explanations. I do want to ask a follow up to your final comment this episode in regard to a sin being either a "speck" or a "log". While a agree with what I think your stances is that one sin (let's say not attending mass on a Sunday or Holy Day) being done by one person could be considered mortal, that same sin could be considered venial to another person due to their lack of knowledge. With this in mind, how, why, or should, we try to help the person with the venial understanding of their sin deepen their knowledge of the offense? I am pretty sure we should, but I would love to hear you expand on why.

[@Catholic1391]

According to St. Paul, no matter how “born again,” “saved,” or whatever you think you are, if you commit these sins and you do not repent, you will not go to heaven. That is the essence of what “mortal sin” means. Mortal Sin Lists We’ve already seen examples of “venial sins” in I John 5:16 and Matt. 5:19, but when it comes to mortal sin in Scripture, there are actually multiple lists of deadly or “mortal” sins in various places in Sacred Scripture. Our Lord himself provides us with several of them in Matthew 15:18-20, Revelation 21:8 and 22:15. St. Paul gives us the rest in Ephesians 5:3-7, Colossians 3:5-6, Galatians 5:19-21, and I Corinthians 6:9-11. Any one of these biblical texts makes very clear that the biblical data is clearly in favor of mortal sins, but for brevity’s sake I will cite just one of them (Eph. 5:3-6): But immorality and all impurity or covetousness must not even be named among you, as is fitting among saints. Let there be no filthiness, nor levity, which are not fitting; but instead let there be thanksgiving. Be sure of this, that no immoral or impure man, or one who is covetous (than is, an idolater), has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for it is because of these things that the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not associate with them…

[@Lucas-dc3hu]

It may be interesting to have a look at Mohler's short book on the Creed. When he comes to the "Remission of sins" he points out that the Catholic understanding is wrong, justifying it by a simple "The Bible, however, does not make such distinctions".

[@mikelopez8564]

Too often, Protestant ministers sound like Ricky Bobby pleading for his friends to cut around the blade of the knife in his leg. The plain reality escapes them because they’ve come to will a perspective that doesn’t exist.

[@TheThreatenedSwan]

The way they proof text these verses would also mean the effect of the sin doesn't matter at all if you're righteous and also that goodness doesn't matter if you're unrighteous which is clearly opposed to other verses in the Bible. So it's protestants making the Bible contradict itself through false interpretation

[@mpasaa]

I think the biggest question anyone can ask themselves is WHO DO YOU THINK JESUS IS? Until you answer this question issues like SIN will always stop at some list of DOs and DON'Ts rather than a wounding of your relationship with the Father through Christ. That fundamental question is the center of everything including how you view sin. That said, I always wonder why many Protestants don't welcome Catholic theology on this issue because it is merciful and gives us ALL a chance at repentance and salvation? Looking at sin as an ALL OR NOTHING proposition means NO ONE will be saved unless you erroneously believe you can go through life PERFECT....uh, the only person to ever do this was Jesus Christ and I certainly hope they aren't claiming to be perfect like Him....

[@TravelingBabyCompany]

Hi Joe I listen to four of your shows and I plan on going through all of them. I'm big on repetition so I'm sure I'll be listening to some of these multiple times. My question is that much of what you talk about sounds like it's also applicable to Eastern orthodoxy which I am more of a recent convert to. If you could speak to that in any way it would be greatly appreciated.

[@stephaniewallman8115]

I understand Mt 7:1-5 and Lk 6:42 to mean that the bigger deal, the more important thing, is to deal with your own personal sin before judging your brother's sin. The bigger concern, the log in your eye, is dealing with your sin; that is the bigger matter. Get that straightened out with God first, and then concern yourself with another's sin, the speck. I believe the log and speck represent the level of concern, or attention, to be given to our own personal sin before judging our neighbors sin, not whose sin is greater. Anyway, that's my two cents worth. 😊 This was informative information. Thank you for sharing.

[@kkhickman2532]

Amazing!

[@IsaiahINRI]

The concept that some sins were less severe than others was actually the first brick in my road to Catholicism. I had decided to go through all the commsnds of Jesus and write them down. And then when I started to categorize them I realized that some of them Jesus expressly says committing them will lead you to Hell or prevent you from Going to Heaven. This made me realize Sola Fide was abiblical. I was still firmly Protestant at the time, but knew that Sola Fide wasn't what I believed anymore and that my belief fell closer to Catholicisms.

[@zachpeterson8341]

"There is sin that is not mortal"

[@user-hm8dd1nk2m]

As always, Joe, you've again helped me to see deeper why we believe what we believe as Catholics. Why these prot-pasts claim to teach things that are obviously contrary to the unambiguous scriptures under the "guidance" of the Holy Spirit still rattles my mind. Do they have a different "Holy Spirit"?😕 Because I do know that the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead cannot reveal two contradictory "truths" regarding our salvation to Christ's church and to individuals. If they are both from Him they must agree, but if they don't agree then one must be untrue. And if one is untrue, then both are not from Him. God bless.

[@vonitaesse4307]

If my sister is not committing a serious sin by refusing to believe in the true God of the Bible and staying in the Mormon church by account of her lack of knowledge and willful blindness, but chooses to believe in the lies of her church, then why should I continue to show her the evil of her ways? Should I refrain from talking about those subjects on account that there is no sin when there is no knowledge? I have tried to wake her to the lies of her church and the truth of true Christ and the true God the Father in our Catholic faith but she rejects it all. She and her husband had the blessing of a Catholic baptism but they have withheld that blessings from her 7 children. I am so sad and pray for them all the time.

[@alonsoACR]

What she's doing is STILL a sin. Just diminished. Also you don't know how much she knows and to what degree she's being wilfully blind. When in doubt, assume the lightest sin, but never fail to correct (with gentleness!) just in case. In the end, when all things are added up... you or I could be the graver sinners. In any case, even in the odd case her sin was pretty much venial... venial sins add up, and Mormons don't have the tools the Church has to clean those up. Her sins will be there and they _will_ add up. But still remember there's a good chance we may actually be the worse ones, after accounting for our greater knowledge, which is why you should NOT assume a position of moral superiority.

[@vonitaesse4307]

@@alonsoACR Very true! Thank you for the rebuke.

[@TheThreatenedSwan]

It's striking that almost all the problems protestants point out with Catholicism come back on them exclusively or at least much worse. The problems that hit both are problems that hit every religion or just society like the problems of language and how is it intelligible, etc

[@billprorok8115]

I am a Protestant going to an evangelical church. I have been reading Catholic teaching for awhile and have bought into everything. If I bring out that the all sin is not equal in a Bible study I get a big push back. I would like to become catholic but I feel like maybe a kid on the edge of very high diving board hesitating because the board is so high.

[@geoffjs]

Have faith, you will be rewarded if you follow His One True Church which is the pillar & foundation of Truth 1 Tim 3:15. My own opinion is that Protestantism is like the lower school years & you now have the opportunity to progress to high school. Jump at the opportunity & grasp it with both hands

[@grosty2353]

Hey Joe - I was curious what translation of the Bible you’re using. Most seem to say “sin that leads to death” and not “mortal sin”.

[@JosephHeschmeyer]

I'm using the RSV:CE, which uses "mortal sins" (as do other translations in that same family, like the RSV and NRSV). "Sin that leads to death" is a fine way of saying the same thing. If I've been mortally wounded, I have a "wound that leads to death." The Greek is "sin unto death" (hamartia pros thanaton).

[@grosty2353]

@@JosephHeschmeyer makes sense - thanks for the response.

[@jonashamilton6978]

Don't venial sins gradually Create weakened condition leading to mortal sins ?

[@TheThreatenedSwan]

"The subjectivity" 😂

[@richardjackson7887]

“ Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye...” (Mat 7:5, KJV) "But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.” (Gal 3:22, KJV)

[@djo-dji6018]

I can't sneak my theology into the Bible and it's all the Bible's fault.

[@jpanduezadlf]

It is true that there are deathly and venial sins (depending on the degree of consent, intention, etc), but is it the same to God a mortal sin of killing, stealing or lying, homosexual sex, sex outside of marriage? If all of these sins are mortal (with intent, consent, etc; and the only condition that changes between sin is the name of the sin), are they all the same to God? Or is it better for someone to lie than to kill? Or is it better to lay with a woman who's not your wife than to lay with a man?

[@tabandken8562]

Mortal sin cause a loss of heaven. It doesn't matter which it is.

[@alexchristopher221]

What this pastor proposes is a corollary of Sola Fide and Sola Christo. One false doctrine leads to another.

[@josiahhockenberry9846]

Protestants: ALL sin is deadly!🔥 Also Protestants: But surely you don't need to confess it! Me: 👁️👄👁️

[@grosty2353]

Hey Joe, I was wondering: Couldn’t the Protestant make the claim that specifically the sin that leads to death is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, and that’s the only kind of mortal sin?

[@bethanyjohnson8001]

I'm pretty sure he mentions that in the video.

[@jameskeith352]

I have watched a few Mike Gendron videos and the way he argues is sort of frustrating. He says, “Here is a claim about Catholicism. Here is my interpretation of a Bible passage that I will either read or paraphrase. This Catholic idea doesn’t align with my interpretation so it’s against the Bible. Roman Catholicism is heresy.” My question to Mike is, on what authority do you claim your interpretations of the Bible to be right???? I wish he would stop saying that he relies on the Bible. He doesn’t. He relies on his own readings and interpretations.

[@njh8277]

why did your pope tell us to take the safe ad effective?

[@J-PLeigh8409]

How would that hold up or even be reasonable to ignore the first 1500 yrs of Christendom but instead look to the Protesters of even after, to which today's Protest is even vastly different..its a bit nonsensical

[@user-oz2ki8fr2y]

It is true that God refers to some sin as "abhorrent" so in one sense God peceives some sin as more serious than others. However scrpture also teaches that "all have sinned" accordingly through Christs sacrificial death on the cross , all those who repent of their sins , whatever they may be, and put their faith in Him, may obtain forgiveness and salvation. This is the "Good News" of the Gospel.

[@philippbosnjak4183]

Was it a sin? My Scrupulosity: Yes.

[@GizmoFromPizmo]

The KJV translates 1 John 5 as "sin unto death", which is the same meaning as "mortal (dead) sin. But I've always understood this to be talking about a person who is sinning to death - as in an unrepented sin. Paul talks about such sin in Romans 6, where he talks about yielding our members as servants (slaves) to sin. Rom. 6:13 - Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. He goes on to say: Rom. 6:16 - Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of _sin unto death,_ or of obedience unto righteousness? "Sin unto death" doesn't really specify any certain class of sin but habitual sin that one can give himself to. So, when John uses the same expression in his epistle, that's what my mind goes to. A sin that you're a slave to until you die. Seriously, if "sin unto death" means a certain classification of sin then _obedience unto righteousness_ must also have a certain classification. "I have obedience unto righteousness but you just have regular vanilla obedience."

[@Wgaither1]

Is breaking the greatest commandment deliberately, a venial or mortal sin?

[@tabandken8562]

What do you think?

[@alonsoACR]

Were you forced to do so? While you say deliberate, did you know the implications? We don't know, and this is by design. If we always knew for certain when another committed a grave sin, we won't help ourselves from being judgmental all the time. God willed it that we don't, for our sake and others. This is why when someone tells me a fault of theirs, even if it seems like a log I try to assume there're factors I don't know that would make it a speck. Then if help gets asked we work from there, see what works, see what doesn't. If we fail it's fine, we try harder next time.

[@xoneninja2339]

If any man, &c. - As if he had said, Yea, he hears us not only for ourselves, but others also; see his brother - That is, any child of man; sin a sin which is not unto death - That is, any sin but that which is marked out in the awful words of our Lord Jesus Christ as unpardonable, namely, the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost, of which see on Matthew 12:31; Mark 3:29. Or, which may rather be intended, the sin of total apostacy from both the power and form of godliness; he shall ask, and God shall give him life - Repentance unto life, and, in consequence thereof, pardon and salvation for that sinner. There is a sin unto death; I do not say that he shall pray for it - That is, let him not pray for it. A sin unto death may likewise mean one which God has determined to punish with temporal death. All unrighteousness is sin - Every deviation from perfect holiness is sin; but all sin is not unpardonable, nor does God determine to punish every sin with temporal death.

[@user-jd9zm4jf3t]

Any unforgiven sin is mortal. "He has forgiven us ALL of our sins"

[@thedon978]

Sins against the faith are the worst sins.

[@annemariekoutsky5054]

ISAIAH 22:21-29 Notice He willbe like a " Father to them" papa= pope= spiritual father who is in charge while the king is away. Matt 16:19 & John 21 :17 Jesus puts Peter in charge of His earthly kingdm while He is away. This responsibility is passed down like Elijah's cloak to Elisha to each generation. We see Linus then Clement ( or vice versa) from the New Testament taking this position after Peter is killed.

[@t0nyxgq]

As a Calvinist, we would say that all/any sin does separate man from God but the punishment of the sin in hell has different severity. That's what is meant by all sin being mortal. Jesus points to the spirit of the law in Matt 5:27-28 equating lust to committing adultery in the heart. Sin starts from a small thing and eventually grows and causes death of all kinds but God looks at the heart and the heart has already committed sin. Same as if you hate your brother, you have already committed murder. Again, Jesus is not saying hate = murder but hate is the seed that will eventually lead to murder if goes unchecked. It is the evil that's inside which manifests into evil actions. Evil, no matter how big or small, cannot with God in the end. Not one speck. This is what Martin Luther had an issue with. No matter how hard he tried, he couldn't stop sinning. Even saved, our flesh still sins, which is why we need Christ's righteousness to place 100% of our own works because they're just seen as dirty rags. Finally in 1 John 5: 16b where it says "There is A SIN unto death..." The reason the ESV, NIV, and various other translation says it's "a" sin, singular, because of the greek word "ἁμαρτία" which is a singular noun. It's a nominative-feminine-singular to be precise. So I'm not sure how Catholics get a whole list of mortal sins from this one singular noun. Maybe there's another Greek bible where the noun is plural?

[@Wgaither1]

Why is missing a holy days of obligation, which the apostles never taught, a sin at all?

[@dave_ecclectic]

There are several reasons but this one should be enough. _I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven_

[@contemplatingchrist]

I love holy days of obligation! The liturgical calendar makes my days revolve around Christ's life. It makes me excited! A whole day to meditate on a part of Christ's passion with a billion other believers! Before practicing Catholicism, my years were oriented around work (is it the weekend yet, summer, holidays)? The liturgical calendar makes our life so meaningful. If we can't attend the holy day of obligation, it's totally fine. It takes a few minutes to get a dispensation and not attend. From personal experience, learning the virtue of spiritual obedience makes my life more mentally and physically 'ordered.' The structure is very helpful for me. I couldn't rely on myself to just randomly attend church, pray without guidelines. I love Jesus, and practicing Catholicism in Jesus' church makes my relationship with Him more REAL! more INTIMATE! I'm so thankful.

[@johnp.6043]

1John 3 Is contrast to Paul’s epistles to us Gentiles through Jesus Christ, Because this is tribulation verses. the body of Christ is already in heaven. Revelation 5 and they were redeemed by the blood of Jesus. Revelation 6 Gods wrath starts with the opening of the seals. To rightly divide the word 1John 3 is going back to a works plus Faith gospel. The main purpose for the seven year tribulation is to bring Israel back to Jesus as Their messiah. ( the message applies to Israel) I also believe a lot of Catholics will be here during that time frame because they believe in a works plus Faith gospel. “If you are here during the Tribulation timeline,Get your head cut off for Jesus and you will be part of the number that no man could number in heaven and they washed their robes in the blood of the lamb.( to wash your robes is a works plus Faith) It’s all their in Revelation 7 2Timothy 2:15 KJV Study to shew thyself approved unto a workman that needed not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. Today it is cloudy with a chance of rapture. 1Thess.4:16-17.Trust in the blood of Jesus Christ alone that did the work for us and washes all your sins away, past, present, and future sins. Ephesians 2:8-10 It’s Jesus plus nothing, minus nothing.” Get redeemed, 😢😅time is running out. ‘The great reset is coming soon.. when it starts ,if you take the mark of the beast, you will burn in hell for all eternity. This mark has something to do with commerce, to buy or sell. My guess it is a RFID chip in your right hand or in your forehead. Wake up and notice BRICS plus twenty five other nations are trying to get out of the US dollar. ‘ Our dollar will collapse. Repent towards Jesus Christ today. Read Romans, through Philemon,Paul is our standard for our salvation in this church age of grace through Faith. The whole Bible is to us,but not all of it is for us. “ Divide the word” “No mortal or veinal sins. ( unbiblical) ‘No sin will be in heaven. ‘Jesus became sin for us, a perfect sinless God put it on himself. John 3:16

[@alpha4IV]

I feel like you are not being careful in your wording again. As to my ear it sounds like he is trying to connect mortal sin with the “unforgivable sin” of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. You should add an addendum about how, as mortal sin can be forgiven it can not be the unforgivable sin.

[@GizmoFromPizmo]

Augustine is not an "early Christian". He's a 4th and 5th century person. An early Christian would be a first century or second century individual. Clement could be considered an early Christian but the earliest Christians, who wrote anything down, are the apostles and prophets of the first century.

[@jonashamilton6978]

One one hand all sin placed Jesus on the cross. He died for all voluntary victim. How does the church move to catagorize venial sins? Seems like the murderer in the letter uses protestant theology to minimize grotesque violation of natural and spiritual law.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

I stopped sinning after I became an atheist. Now I just make a correction when I make a poor decision or a wrong move.

[@StanleyPinchak]

It's a bold strategy, Cotton, let's see if it pays off for 'em

[@vaska1999]

And you really think there's a difference....

[@williammcenaney1331]

Mr. H. make excellent points. But maybe we need to reflect on senses of the word "dearth." There's physical death.Catholics say that people die spiritually when the Holy Trinity leaves their souls. the Bible calls damnation the second death. Since "death" has more than one meaning in the Bible. Satan may have meant that the forbidden fruit wouldn't kill Adam or Eve in the Garden of Eden. But Adam and Eve may have died spiritually when they ate the fruit. The Eastern Orthodox faithful believe Adam and Even went to heaven. If they did, they didn't die the second death. Protestants who believe they're eternally secure will tell you that they can't do anything that do anything to lose their salvation. So they might argue that though Christians always go to heaven, non-Christians can and do gp to hell. Even if eternal security fans reject the difference between total sins and venial sins, they presuppose it if they believe non-Christians do things that get them damned.

[@wallamboklahong9125]

Bro. You hit the nails on the Head.

[@donhaddix3770]

All sins are equal to God in that any and every sin will keep one out of heaven. In the eternal state, the New Jerusalem will be inhabited by the righteous, the redeemed of the Lord. “Outside the city are the dogs-the sorcerers, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idol worshipers, and all who love to live a lie” (Revelation 22:15, NLT; cf. 21:8). At the same time, even in the final judgment, there seem to be degrees of punishment among the “dogs”: “Someone who does not know [the master’s will], and then does something wrong, will be punished only lightly” (Luke 12:48, NLT). So not all sins carry the same weight of punishment in hell. There is one other way in which all sins are equal in God’s eyes: all sins, no matter how “big” or “small,” can be forgiven in Christ. Scripture says that “where sin increased, grace increased all the more” (Romans 5:20). No one can out-sin God’s grace. We are all equally sinful before God. But, in Christ, we are made righteous. We are “justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood” (Romans 3:24-25). By faith in Christ, we are born again and therefore victorious over sin: “Everyone born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith” (1 John 5:4).

[@dirkfirkle73]

Yes. Of course there are sins worse than others. But the wages of any sin is still death.

[@patrickedgington5827]

The ones that say they are, might be using the Bible? They might actually be listening to Yashua? I understand Catholics are not big on listening to Yashua, after all they have the Pope for a God? For those of you that may read the Bible try going to James 2:10.

[@bugslayerprime7674]

Gluttony versus sexual predator is a bad comparison. Whether or not sins exist on a spectrum, there are sins that hurt others and sends it only hurt the center. A person hiring one based on gluttony and refusing the other based on sexual predatory sins is making a decision between what will hurt others and which one won't, not necessarily about who is the bigger sinner.

[@alonsoACR]

Then one that ogles little girls and one that ogles grown women I'm deeply disturbed just writing this, but I think I'm making my point. Even things that don't involve directly hurting others can still be considered... and one is certainly worse. Also, open gluttony is harmful, in the sense that it sets a bad example. This is a very minor/nitpicky thing to consider... and that's the point.

[@Darth_Vader258]

The Glutton is just hurting himself. But the Sexual Predator is harming other persons.

[@bugslayerprime7674]

@@Darth_Vader258 exactly. In my original post I meant to say " sins that only hurt the sinner", speech to text garbled it.

[@billymimnaugh3998]

Jesus said “ he hath the greater sin “ so yes there are levels of sin.BUT all sin must be accounted for because God can not tolerate ANY sin. So , a murderer who hasn’t accepted Christ, is going to go to Hell the same way a pick Pickett will .That’s why you need the blood .

[@jrainey44]

While y'all figure out if one sin is worse than another, I'll just remind everyone of one Biblical Scripture, The wages of sin is death. So if you commit one sin, you're paid in death. Unless, however, you're forgiven by the blood of Christ.

[@alonsoACR]

Please, watch this video. Much of the bible is telling a different story. You can then withhold judgment until you consult with your spiritual leaders, if any. That's fine. But consider this one, I believe we all can reach a fuller understanding of scripture this way.

[@lorenzobianchini4415]

They Protestants believe no matter how much they sin they can sin as much as they like because they are ok regardless. 😅

[@aussierob7177]

Sins are rightly evaluated according to their gravity. The distinction between Mortal and Venial, sin already evident in Scripture, became part of the tradition of the Church. Why don't Protestants read all the Bible ? Mortal sin destroys charity in the heart of man by a grave violation of God's Law. It turns man away from God, by preferring an inferior good to him. Venial sin allows charity to subsist, even though it offends and wounds it.

[@dirkfirkle73]

You make an interesting comment. I cannot find the word "venial" anywhere in the Bible. The word 'mortal" comes up 6 times but is not paired up with the word "sin". What part of the Bible are you referring to?

[@aussierob7177]

The word "venial" is not in scripture, but the concept is Same as rapture is not in the Bible. committing a sin that does not lead to death is venial. Committing a sin that leads to death is mortal@@dirkfirkle73

[@dirkfirkle73]

@@aussierob7177 The wages of sin is death. No distinction between any type of sin. All sin leads to death.

[@geoffjs]

@@dirkfirkle73Protestant hypocrisy see 1 Jn 5 16-17 for reference to deadly & non deadly sin

[@geoffjs]

@@dirkfirkle73However, as we all die irrespective of sin, what happens to a sinless person like Mary?

[@clyd1206]

No Protestants I know think all sins are equal. It's just not biblical. Also. you represented the killer as being Protestant when the very audio you played says he went to Catholic School and was mostly a secular family. When Protestants talk about the Catholic Approach to sin its usually referring to how The Pope excuses certain sins for some people ect. As far as all sin being "Equal", Yes Protestants (I know) teach that ALL sin is detestable in the eyes of God and a good enough reason for you not to enter heaven BUT that doesn't mean they are all equal. Here is what I see. You are arguing against something you either don't understand or are purposely misrepresenting. One of the main issues with modern "Protestants" is that there is no universal belief or doctrine, yet people take one example and pin it on everyone. Its unfortunate but understandable.

[@Nolongeraslave]

What if John was talking about a sin that can lead to physical death? Otherwise all sins, if not repented, leads to death Spiritually. Adam and Eve committed which sin, mortal or venial? 1 Corinthians mentions a sin that lead some Corinthians to death ~ the mishandling of the Lord's supper!

[@paulcapaccio9905]

Dont listen to the Protestant !!!!!

[@tknciliba4743]

Catholic Faith is Women's faith. God said Trust in Him. Believe in Him. He will give you a measure of faith for you to Overcome. Catholics_Trust in Her, Believe in Her, She will give you a measure of faith to Overcome. God made Man in His Image! God is no woman!

[@geoffjs]

What pathetic, typically Protestant thinking!

[@njerimatenjwa5467]

Help 😬😕 picture of an ugly snake.

[@Frst2nxt]

It's actually yes and no. Saying one will do a sin beforehand is a mortal move. Admitting that all sin is a fall from Grace is humility that allows a sin to prove venial, because arrogance about the smallest of sins is a further sin. The worse you feel about a venal sin, the more venal it truly is. Eating fruit in the Garden of Eden is what brought death and corruption. Eating something wouldn't normally be thought of as a mortal sin. One sin is not better than any other sin, but other sins are definitely worse than that sin. There's no mention of forgiveness for rape or pedophilia. Paul calls sexual atrocities things not even to be named. There is no prayer for these, but there is s prayer for most others. John says a true son of GOD does not continue to sin. Mature wheat has ended sinning. But immature wheat sometimes resemble tares but must confess then stop sinning. John means that we all have sin at some point in our history, he does not say we lie if we have no further sins to confess. True maturity in CHRIST is like Mary's state 8f Grace.

[@JohnSmith-de8vm]

Interesting presentation and I found it overall really convincing, though I'll have to think it all through. But I don't think Augustine of Hippo is particularly early. Personally I wouldn't trust a word that man says, I've spent enough time in the delusion that God does not want to save all and worrying about whether I'm one of that miniscule number so I won't ever consider the Catholic Church again.

[@Qwerty-jy9mj]

Thankfully you know better that St Augustine, right? Could you explain to me why universalism isn't a heresy?

[@JohnSmith-de8vm]

​@@Qwerty-jy9mj Ah, snarky, are we? Getting our kicks online by dunking on stupid "universalists"? Don't let me disturb you, go ahead, continue your self-gratification in the comment sections.

[@Qwerty-jy9mj]

@@JohnSmith-de8vm I was done 🤔

[@christophlindinger2267]

Not sure if I understand your comment. You believed in Calvinist Theology but realized that it's false? The Catholic Church, from all i know, does not teach that only a minority is saved and I think we are allowed to be hopeful that all will be saved; after all we pray for it, "O my Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fire of hell, lead all souls to heaven, especially those who are in most need of Thy mercy."

[@9ofClubs]

No sin out weighs any other sin. To be born - into sin - is just as sinful as actual murder or pride or talking shit about someone you dont give a shit about - because they smoke, drink, do drugs ect... Sin is sin - they are to God - equally bad. Only man decides which sin is greater than others.

[@JosephHeschmeyer]

Wait, so you're saying that if a guy went into a nursery and murdered a bunch of babies and toddlers, that what he's done is no better or worse than the "sin" the toddlers and babies commit by being born? And you're just claiming this like it's some self-evident fact, without even trying to support it with logic or Scripture? I'm just saying, if I claimed Protestants believed something this crazy, people would accuse me of a straw man. The idea that all sin is "equally bad" to God is a manmade fiction, invented by Protestants. Jesus clearly speaks of things like "a greater sin," and there can no sin greater than any other if they're all equally bad.

[@jacobwoods6153]

Jesus answered him, “You would have no authority over me at all unless it had been given you from above. Therefore he who delivered me over to you has the greater sin.” - John 19:11 The God man himself indicates to Pilot that there is a gradation of sin. There is greater sin, and therefore, by implication, there is a lesser sin.

[@dave_ecclectic]

@9ofClubs This isn't what the Bible says.

[@9ofClubs]

@@JosephHeschmeyer Do your your research first - before you come with bullshit. Those who mock me will be punished - Those who bless me, will be blessed. Say something again and watch your world unfold

[@StanleyPinchak]

@@9ofClubs Lol

[@johnp.6043]

To commit physical fornication is a sin, to look at a woman or a man with lustful thoughts is also a sin. Did Jesus say having physical fornicating is a “mortal sin”, and having that same sin in your heart is a “veinal sin”. The answer is a big fat no. A sin is a sin no matter what. ,”The wages of sin is death”, but the gift of God is eternal life. More Catholic dogmas.

[@tabandken8562]

Were you there? No? Then you don't know all of what Christ taught. He taught His Church everything. Besides, if you can't even feel the difference between mental lust and physical lust and the gravity of sin between them, them you don't really have His Spirit in you.

[@johnp.6043]

@@tabandken8562 My point is scripture does not give degrees of sins. A sin is a sin no matter what! Please enlighten me with scripture otherwise.

[@johnp.6043]

@@tabandken8562 Religion wants to label sin, ( Mortal and veinal sins) James 2:10 If a person breaks one of the laws they break them all ( Jesus Christ inspired words) Example if a six grade student steals an eraser from a classmate, or an adult murders someone, those two sins are both in the law of commandments. Read again James 2:10 if you break one you break them all. ( God is Holy, no sin is allowed in heaven, that is why a person must be reborn , spiritual circumcised, faith alone in Jesus Christ, faith in the blood to wash all your sins away, the gospel 1Cor. 15:1-4) the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal salvation. Why is this not acceptable to Catholics. “Labeling degrees of sins is unbiblical.” ( James 2:10 ) We are all guilty, all have sinned. None are righteous!

[@Darth_Vader258]

​@@johnp.6043Lusting after a Woman is a SIN, but physically Fornicating with a Woman out of Wedlock, that is a GREATER Sin.

[@Darth_Vader258]

​@@johnp.6043Stealing an Eraser is NOT the same DEGREE as Murder. Heck stealing an Eraser is not almost a SIN.

[@markmeyer4532]

All sin leads to death. No differentiation. No purgatory; all sin leads to destruction and there is no midway point to burn off lesser sins. All sins leads to destruction. God is very clear about this. Sorry, the God of Christian Scripture is very clear about this, not the pope-god of Catholicism. Repent.

[@mikegendron1086]

In 1 John 5:17, we read, "all unrighteousness is sin, but there is sin that doesn’t lead to death.” Every born-again Christian is living proof of this. We are alive and we’ve sinned. But in God’s purpose and plan, He has not taken our physical life by removing us for the good of the church. This is why born again Christians pursue righteous living for the glory of Christ and the purity of His church. The Bible speaks of three different kinds of death that are all consequences of sin: physical, spiritual and eternal. Physical death occurs when the soul is separated from the body; spiritual death is the state of every unbeliever who is separated from God; eternal death is experienced by everyone who dies without Christ and they are separated from God forever. In 1 John 5:16, there are two possibilities for the sin that leads to death. There is the sin of a “brother” turns out to be a false convert, that leads to eternal death. It is the rejection of Christ, which would include the sin of apostasy. Hebrews 6 refers to this sin of a professing “brother" who have fallen away put Christ to open shame. Also 1 John 2:19, “They went out from us because they were not of us.” There is also sins that Christians commit that may lead to physical death This is a born-again Christian who commits a sin for which God takes his physical life. In 1 Corinthians 11, there were some people who abused the Lord’s table, and Paul says, “Because of this, some of you have died.” God slew some people. There was also Ananias and Sapphira in Acts 5. God took their lives because they lied to the Holy Spirit in front of the whole church. There are born-again believers who have sinned to such a degree that the Lord determines in His sovereignty that the church is better off without them compromising its testimony. Yet there are some severe sins for which God doesn’t take away physical life. In 1 Corinthians 5, there was a man who committed adultery with his father’s wife. They were told to put him out of the church, and turn him over to Satan so that he will learn not to blaspheme. Everyone who has been born again of the Spirit of God will never experience spiritual or eternal death because they have been given the gift of eternal life. Every unbeliever is spiritually dead already and if they die without Christ they will experience eternal death.

[@Qwerty-jy9mj]

I don't see why it follows that you follow a righteous life because you haven't been killed. Also your explanation here has very little to do with the passage in the Bible, you're coming up with these dichotomies out of a single sentence and your own man made traditions about sin.

[@ezekielizuagie7496]

You are putting your man made traditions on that passage. We rather follow Gods word than your man made sola fide and calvinistic doctrines. Also your interpretation is plain wrong as Joe already coveres the majority of your response in his video

[@Darth_Vader258]

As a cradle Catholic even an Atheist ⚛️ who does Good Works out of Charity for his fellow man. Will go to Heaven rather than a Blood Bought Bible Believing Born Again, Christian who committed Sexual Sins.

[@Qwerty-jy9mj]

@@Darth_Vader258 not exactly, it's metaphysically possible for an atheist who is impossibly ignorant about the fact that Jesus made the Catholic Church necessary for salvation, who lived a virtuous life, to be saved. That's different than measuring their standing in comparison to a sinful Christian, particularly after they've been validly baptized. The certainty comes from the sacrament, not the quality of life the person had.

[@Darth_Vader258]

@@Qwerty-jy9mj Well God is MERCIFUL and LOVING.