Shanna "Liz" Golyar Analysis (Cari Farver Murder Case)

[@mareelovely]

One of the craziest cases I've ever seen. This woman was COMMITTED. The level of dedication was absolutely mindblowing. She burnt her own house down, killed her pets, SHOT HERSELF!!!

[@rachelraquel758]

I’m way too lazy to ever murder anyone. So much work!

[@LovingLife990]

@@rachelraquel758 😂 I never thought of that but yeah true.

[@rubytuesday5412]

Same here. You couldn't make this story up! No one would believe it.

[@LovingLife990]

@@rubytuesday5412 It's amazing what people get up too. 😂

[@alyciamarie4163]

@@rachelraquel758 it’s so sad but I’ve said this too like damn these people put in way too much energy into a murder they will get caught for in the end a way 😂

[@scheibe2791]

Dr. Grande really is a triple threat: he analyzes criminals, gives us humor AND serves looks

[@moonstruck562]

❤ this comment :)

[@dianebarrett9714]

“Serves looks”? I am sorry but you lost me. What does that mean? He serves us his good looks?

[@istateyourname4710]

@@dianebarrett9714 His facial expressions.

[@dianebarrett9714]

@@istateyourname4710 Ohhh, of course.

[@ForeverSweetx3]

@@dianebarrett9714 lollll

[@alyciamarie4163]

Oh I just learned about this case the scary thing is she prob would have gotten away with the murder if she didn’t pretend to be the victim for years! Very very odd case! So sad that one 2 second meeting could lead to this woman’s death! So terrible! This lady was all sorts of crazy!

[@mareelovely]

Crazy can be very, very crafty. She damn near got away with it. But she couldn't stop with the shenanigans.

[@anon2095]

One of the reasons why she continued this for so many years was to keep Krupa around her. He didn't want a relationship yet she did. The crazy stalking she and the guy continuously experienced gave them a reason to constantly talk and bond with each other.

[@jminogue100]

Try that chapter! It's a really good true Crime KZbin channel and often crosses paths with the sorts doctor Grande covers. But from a different perspective.

[@PardonMyPresence]

I wonder how she lured the victim to an isolated location. Did she send a message pretending to be Krupa? Definitely not a stretch.

[@sikequan4542]

@@PardonMyPresence - I believe she waited for her outside Dave Kroupa's apartment. As Farver got into her car, she attacked her there. Perhaps forced her at knife point to drive somewhere where she stabbed and killed her, in her own car.

[@ledzep3692]

When Farver didn't go to her dad's funeral, I immediately knew she was dead. The ineptitude of the original cops assigned to this case only served to increase the suffering of her family.

[@trawlins396]

The cops were not inept.

[@JHowesitgoing123]

@@trawlins396 How weren't they, exactly?

[@posticusmaximus1739]

defund the police

[@jamesm1579]

I've just watched the Netflix documentary on this case. It was very good. I knew she was dead when her mum said she hadn't seen her in over a year. And no one seemed to have seen her. Liz Golyer was then the only person that could have been doing the harassing (as strange as it seemed). The Police should have done far more to try to track Cari down as a Missing person but they assumed that because there were messages from her phone that she was alive.

[@kallenyc]

💯 If you Google the case and read the article about key pieces of information not in the documentary, you'll see that Golyar sent Cari's job a resignation email (as Cari) and named Shanna Golyar (her real name) as her replacement. How could the cops have overlooked this? Mayberry bumbos. If the 2nd team hadn't taken the case on, it never would have been solved. Poor mother of Cari Farver. 😥 Her daughter got mixed up with a dude who would stick his dick into anything and this is what happened.

[@franmellor9843]

She's probably writing letters too herself from Dave in prison

[@micheleparker8123]

😂

[@queenofzenk]

Perfect for loan payment officers

[@angiebanangie479]

Lolllllllll

[@sequoiasspiritualspa8863]

Lol 😂

[@jackiep9917]

Exactly. What a nutcase

[@sikequan4542]

I think Golyer was triggered by the fact that Cari Farver appeared to have been allowed to move in with Dave within days of their meeting, whereas Dave kept telling HER that he was going to play the field. Golyer is one truly despicable human being.

[@joshbrown614]

Yes. Dave kept it 100 with her. Something bad wrong with the lady🤦‍♂️ shits scary af

[@curi0usyell0w]

The idea that she wanted complete and total domination of Farver even after death is so chilling. Forget serial killers, this is the kind of person that gives me nightmares. I’m so glad Dr. Grande covered it! This story truly had everything.

[@rubenaerts7284]

This one is cutt from the same cloth as serial killers. A full blown psychopath.

[@peacelove7437]

@@rubenaerts7284 This lady would eat Jeffrey dahmer!!!

[@janicereed9422]

​@@rubenaerts7284i read a lit of true crime, and this woman is by far the biggest nutcase I've ever heard about...diabolical and an evil woman to the core.

[@rubenaerts7284]

@@janicereed9422 scary

[@skyofthelivingdead]

This woman’s dedication is achievable only by true crazy. She went undetected for YEARS and would probably have never been caught if the police hadn’t given her case a second look. Scary.

[@BassGirlSusan1961]

"And what was your previous occupation?" "Full time phone stalker. Well experienced"

[@blyxx7450]

Lol now she's probably working at a phone bank in prison.

[@Zeldarw104]

@@blyxx7450 I hope not! 👀😬

[@kacie1567]

You forgot, “Homicide experience”.

[@SilentTrip]

I'm so sad for Cari Farver!!! She was an amazing woman I'm so sad for what happened to her and her reputation

[@bjornodin]

I'm not really commenting, only speculating about how it would look if I were to leave a comment... Thanks for being so prolific Dr. Grande, you're making isolation more bearable 🤗

[@mrooz9065]

I am not speculating but surely call yours the best commentary of this vid!

[@bjornodin]

@@mrooz9065 That is high praise indeed! The good doctor gets so many great and insightful comments on his videos. I am thankful and humbled 🥰

[@NikkiDocherty74]

😂

[@thefirm4606]

Brilliant!

[@PardonMyPresence]

😂😂😂Nice one!

[@billhildebrand5053]

Comment 36: your analysis was indeed “*instructive or informative in a way that improves the mind or character*” which is the first time I have you ever use the word *edify* and it did indeed instruct me there are *less than desirable* characters whose aim in jealousy is to destroy the mans character and the object he gets is nothing less than wounds, dishonour, and irretrievably lost disgrace. Thanks Dr. Grande for the valuable lessons you apply each time to practical life. 🍀🍀🍀😃🍀🍀🍀

[@charlieapples9373]

Love, or at least romantic infatuation, does strange and sometimes terrifying things to people. It can become an all-consuming obsession and constant source of anxiety. Never underestimate what people will do for “love”.

[@xxhayziexx]

Omggg I love your profile pic! pyramid head is awesome c:

[@charlieapples9373]

@@xxhayziexx Haha, thank you! You’re the first person to guess it correctly; I did a cosplay a while back and that was the helmet.

[@Hellakiddie]

That’s not love but okay lol

[@charlieapples9373]

@@Hellakiddie Hence the quotation marks

[@india1422]

An obsession is a dangerous thing for sure

[@lisafanucchi5939]

I just finished reading this book by Leslie Rule, daughter of the awesome true crime writer Ann Rule. This woman was sooo deranged! Great book, highly recommend. It’s called A tangled web. I would rather be single than go on any dating websites. Been there, done that. Never again! Too many psychos! Thanks for your analysis Dr. Grande. Stay safe everyone!!!

[@dianebarrett9714]

Thanks for the heads up on Leslie Rule’s book. I am an ardent fan of Ann Rule but had no idea she had a daughter who was following in her footsteps. This case cries out for a full length book. Dr Grande pointed me in the direction of this crazy crazy case but you provided the solution with your recommendation. Thanks so much.

[@dianebarrett9714]

I just ordered this book from Apple ebooks. Leaving now to read it.

[@sarah2.017]

@@dianebarrett9714 Leslie's writing style is very similar to her mother's, except that I did not see the words "pellucid" or "ebullient" in this book.

[@lisafanucchi5939]

@@dianebarrett9714 the daughter actually did not want to follow her footsteps...however she said she was compelled to write the book because sooo many of Ann’s fans asked her to. She did a fantastic job! Very similar writing. Could not put the book down!!!

[@billiemoore3394]

I was wondering if the writer was related to Ann Rule because of the true crime nature of the book.All I had to do was read the comments.

[@roseangelo4416]

What a story - yikes! It would be interesting to know what type of a childhood Ms. Golyar had, and if there is any known mental illness in her family. The big take away from this video is the need for further mental health education/training for law enforcement professionals, especially detectives. Thank you Dr. G for unraveling this complicated crime and explaining it in terms we can all understand. Wow.

[@franniepan]

Her father was very abusive towards her mother. Her mother died when she was still young and she was placed in the Foster system and eventually adopted. She states that she was abused by at least one Foster family. Not an excuse for her actions, but it's interesting to note.

[@tia2all501]

Read the book A Tangled Web by Leslie Rule a must read!

[@kevinlaleau]

watch daniel kirsty she did a lengthy podcast episode in depth into golyar case and talk about her childhood in the begin

[@vutomi9874]

Are you looking for excuses for her to justify her crimes?

[@vutomi9874]

@@franniepannothing interesting to note! There are so many abused children who became very caring and loving individuals. Don’t use abuse as an excuse to abuse others.

[@karenmazzacone5906]

I am LIVING for your dry sense of humor. Thank you for explaining the hills and valleys of bi-polar disorder. It’s often a very misunderstood mental disease. Thank you Dr. Grande. ❤️

[@poppy83.]

“He said she was very pretty, and he was attracted to her right away” Wut

[@Redmanticore]

its proof guys say anything just to get some for some time

[@janedoe7229]

My sediments exactly.

[@chichinjoku9913]

@@Redmanticore same thought.

[@setaside2]

People are attracted to whomever they're attracted to. It's not ours to judge, honestly.

[@msvoyeur]

@@setaside2 Maybe observation rather than judgement in my humble opinion...

[@komoriaimi]

In my view, a person like this HAD to had something in the past, the problem is nobody had caught her until now. And I don't mean something as serious as murder but maybe some petty thieving, a lot of lying and a lot of manipulation that if she was good, she could have stayed under the radar for most of her life.

[@jguenther3049]

You're likely right, but what could be done with the information? And by whom?

[@komoriaimi]

@@jguenther3049 By the time they caught up to her it was too late.

[@jguenther3049]

@@komoriaimi Definitely!

[@corlisslee7156]

Her first child was killed by her when he was a few months old. Cody Nathaniel Goyler's cause of death was shaken baby syndrome, and she blamed it on her intellectually disabled boyfriend. She worked the detectives in that case just like she did in this case, and her boyfriend went to prison for the death of her infant son. He served his sentence and is now out of prison but he has said that she called him at work and told him that she accidentally dropped the baby. She told her boyfriend that the baby was non-responsive so she shook him to get him to breathe, and he started breathing but died the next day. The detectives believed her story instead of the boyfriends and she got away with that murder.

[@Tron4JC]

@@corlisslee7156not just that but this also was not even her first issue of stalking others.

[@AmandaLeigh1004]

Obviously all deaths are horrible, but when you kill pets you are a special kind of monster.

[@yzettasmith4194]

Her own pets at that! My "fur babies" are my world, I wouldn't hurt them for anything. Mind blowing.

[@NikkiDocherty74]

Horrible

[@Miss_Wonderful1]

Killing her pets shows her insane level of callousness.

[@caryulmer5578]

TOTALLY agree!

[@NikkiDocherty74]

@@Miss_Wonderful1 that's really beyond callous.

[@rejaneoliveira5019]

Sometimes I feel so tired with my busy schedule and the different things I need to do... Then I think to myself, well Dr. Grande uploads a video every single day, posts videos on Patreon, writes books, has a podcast, reads messages from subscribers, while also having a family life. All this motivates me to keep going. Thank you for being such an amazing role model. You work ethic is truly admirable.

[@dub2536]

Ahhh. A cold icy Friday with a new Dr. Todd Grande video. I'm smiling once again. Hope you all are well. Peace!

[@klattalexis]

No animal-lover hurts their own pets!!!

[@EsraaJaber]

Or any animal for that matter. Its sad

[@audralynn7454]

Many times people sacrifice things they love to get things they want, such as rain, other people, and sympathy.

[@ravynwoods5902]

Sociopaths have no problem hurting animals or people.

[@trawlins396]

@@audralynn7454 rain???? Wtf?? This isn't the 1400s!

[@trawlins396]

@@ravynwoods5902 she must be absolutely without a heart.

[@pudding7876]

No homicidal stalker should definitely be checked by default, along with No arsonists and No pet killers. It just seems like common sense 🤷😂 great analysis Dr. Grande!

[@courtneycallen]

Idk.. I thought that joke was pretty tasteless. I don’t like sarcastic or snarky comments involving anyone who isn’t the “villain” in these analysis videos; even if it’s supposed to be a “joke”. The snide comments about Anna Nicole Smith in her video really rubbed me the wrong way and I felt like the joke about “no homicidal stalker” checkbox was unnecessary and kinda cruel. The guy didn’t know how mentally ill and unstable Goylar was and he didn’t do anything to warrant any of her actions against himself, others, and even animals in her pursuit of keeping him in her life. I don’t know if he carries any guilt from what happened but regardless, it wasn’t his fault for trying to find love online and for assuming that his dates were not going to be murderous stalkers. That being said; I do laugh at the jabs he makes at the obviously bad people in the videos as long as the jokes aren’t making fun of their appearance or any type of handicap/disability (which to my knowledge, Dr Grande has never done). I know I sound like such a party pooper but the snark in this video really did bother me and your comment was the first one that mentioned the specific joke so I felt like you’d be a good person to share my feelings with. Which makes me sound like I have a few loose screws but I don’t have a plethora of people to discuss Dr Grande videos with, lol.

[@maniacalmadness5419]

Please analyze actor Tom Cruise especially concerning his most recent outburst and his behavior in the past. And his ties with Scientology.

[@queenofzenk]

Do they still harass people? Might be risky to go for the golden boi

[@antiquemacabre]

Good call. That would be interesting.

[@maniacalmadness5419]

I think Tom Cruise is awesome but I read he came from a slightly dysfunctional household. Tom said his dad was the master of chaos(hope I spelled that correctly) . And his parents divorced when he was young . He was the youngest child he had three or four older sisters. I think he was thrust into superstardom at a young age. And everything he does is scrutinized by the press. It's probably left him with some issues. I think he would benefit from sessions with Dr. Grande. And I think adorable little Bella should sit in on the sessions because dogs are therapeutic. That's my analysis let me know what you think in the comment section 💪🏻👍🏻🙏🏻♥️✝️😄

[@AnimalsMatterMorally]

Oh heck yeah!

[@crybaby3710]

@@maniacalmadness5419 he's an abusive psycho scientologist, all that anyone needs to know about him. (but dr.grande did an excellent job of analyzing his latest freakout that happened in the past month in his latest video)

[@thereal4113]

You know your Dr. Grande addict. When you look at you phone between 5 and 6 pm waiting for his next video. Loved this one so much I'm going to watch it again!!!

[@thereal4113]

@@ginashemeth7708 yes. I caught that right after I posted. Blame it on multitasking while waiting for Dr. Grande!!! Happy Holidays 😊 🎄

[@mrooz9065]

@@thereal4113 my coworkers have learned to tell me it’s time for my break!

[@erikparent8176]

@@ginashemeth7708 I'm dyslexic so it's not a function of learning its organic. I'm also technologically challenged but I have a fairly strong creative impulse, so I carry on with the hope that people can overlook my grammar and understand the deeper concepts I ponder and deliver through my writting!

[@courtneycallen]

I had to watch it twice so I could write down all the people involved bc I felt lost the first time around . So many people and for some reason, I struggle with keeping stories without faces straight when last names instead of first names are used to identify the people involved

[@lightseeker134]

Another interesting, elucidating and edifying video by Dr. Grande! And, an important warning about the destructive force of jealousy. Sadly, this case is somewhat resonant of the Chris Watts case in that there were no indicators that either would perpetrate murder so the victim could neither prevent nor take measures to protect themselves from such violent acts. As always, many thanks for all the valuable lessons and insight you share with us!😊

[@trawlins396]

I find that very hard to believe that she had no previous history of stalking or obsessive behavior. Guarantee she did.

[@roxannemoser]

I couldn't be paid to use a dating app. Even if I checked the no homicidal maniacs box, they'd come from everywhere.

[@trawlins396]

Don't blame the cops. That's not exactly a red flag. A lot of adults who are on drugs disappear and don't attend family funerals.

[@joshbrown614]

They suck ass. I miss the hood ol days where it was easy to meet people. It’s not easy anymore unless you go to a bar. And no thanks🤦‍♂️

[@rc6251]

What shocked me was that after hooking up with a stalker using an online dating site, he still went back to use online dating!

[@SarahSmith-mu1wc]

So interested in your analysis of this woman, for lack of a better term. 🙄 I've seen this case covered before by various true crime channels, and just CANNOT believe the lengths this woman went to...she was OBSESSED. And poor Cari...just an innocent sucked into her terrible web of craziness. My heart breaks for her family. Its unbelievable that Liz got away with all she did for so long. That blows my mind. Edit: Is it mean for me to also add that I think Kroupa must have been the most gullible and stupid man alive for not noticing some of the OBVIOUS signs that Liz was behind this craziness? Just my humble opinion.

[@anon2095]

They were both getting stalking text messages at the same time while they were together. I could see how he wasn't suspicious of her.

[@trawlins396]

@@anon2095 exactly.

[@trawlins396]

Imo he definitely should've been very suspicious especially because the texts from Cari sounded nothing like her. But to be fair he had no idea her mother had reported her missing.

[@Jess-kn8vl]

I was kinda feeling like her whole family didnt really know her. Here she was this hardworking person who gets killed and her reputation is easily destroyed by a stranger? I did question their intelligence but didnt say it out loud.

[@harvey2609]

Just watched the Netflix documentary. I'm with you on this one. The guy dated 50 women after all this original drama??? Something not right about him for sure.

[@rich2316]

Great analysis doctor as after hearing this case today from Mr Ballen's podcast I wouldn't be surprised if you start hearing from much of his fans after going online as I have for a better understanding of this case & events. Great Job 👍

[@bearanov]

"I wonder if these officers went to the Frank Drebin school of police investigation". BOOM! ( Sgt. Frank Drebin played by actor Leslie Nielsen)

[@ELECTECHNUT]

Your reference to Scooby-Doo always cracks me up! 😂 I know that not all "local police" are trained in psychological disciplines, cyber sleuthing, or evidence gathering; but the suspiciously abundant drama surrounding the perpetrator reminds me of the need to be the center of attention, as in Munchausen disease. As another viewer mentioned, I lost track of who's who. (Photos help.) Thank you again Dr. Grande for not analyzing anyone, but just speculating what could be going on in a case (exactly) like this! 😉

[@Duenskie22]

Dr. Grande I’ve really got to say, I really enjoy your perspective on these cases whereas most other videos simply say “pure evil” or “born to kill”. There is obviously more here than those cliches. Thank you!

[@regenia8738]

Another case I knew nothing about, but learned a lot! Thank you, Dr. Grande. Within the last few days, I read a comment about the change in your introduction. That person missed your dropping books and the mention of science. I do also. The books were unique. Also, I thought it a really good idea to stress that your presentations are built on scientific study. It certainly seems to be what your followers are drawn to and especially appreciate.

[@rayross997]

The H.H. Holmes case, please. Thanks Dr. Grande. have a great weekend.

[@kathyclark8274]

Yes, now THAT would DEF be illuminating! Schizoid or just antisocial? You decide.

[@alexander9264]

Great analysis, filling in the blanks left by the recent Netflix documentary.

[@rejaneoliveira5019]

Yes Dr. Grande, I found this video and all your other videos to be highly edifying.🙂 Fascinating case and brilliant analysis, thank you!❤️

[@rc6251]

Borderline Personality Disorder (fear of abandonment is supreme in this case) and other comorbid cluster B traits such as sadism, narcissistic rage, and lack of empathy. The fact her father reportedly abused her mother resulting in her being placed as a young child into foster care would support the BPD claim.

[@TiffWaffles]

I feel terrible for Cari. Imagine being murdered and having those who know you believe that you are some villain looking to end the lives of your partner and the crazy that killed you.

[@Ynotnow9900]

This dude dated 30 to 40 women in like a year. Man, I'm weak

[@makepeace234]

Very puzzling indeed. He works in an auto supply store, and judging by his pics., he's no oil painting. There must be a serious man shortage in Omaha.

[@Ynotnow9900]

@@makepeace234 I guess based on these women's pictures he was into all comers

[@reneet5858]

I would hope you're more "Discerning", than " Weak".

[@NovemberRain007]

@@makepeace234 🤭🤣👏🙌

[@NovemberRain007]

@@Ynotnow9900 🤭

[@rightthewrong6050]

What I don't understand is.. After five years, everyone was still receiving text messages from the victims phone. If the victim was dead.. Who was paying her phone bill?

[@Catsss1017]

Liz duh

[@rightthewrong6050]

@@Catsss1017 Very educated response…

[@juliejules7780]

Autopay was activated probably from Cari's bank account. I'm wondering if she had a lock or passcode on her phone could she have still hijacked it? I suppose if it was fingerprint lock she could've just used her dead finger. She also could've threatened to shoot her to give her a numerical code.

[@keodi1]

@rightthewrong6050 The suspect used Cari's phone for the first week, the she used various methods to include apps to send the text messages after that.

[@ilkkarautio2449]

This is a very interesting case, i cant belive that i havent heard of it till now. Thanks for yet again awesome video Dr. Grande. 👍

[@T.hunstiger]

Dr. Grande, all I can say about this video is, wow! All of those events after a ten second interaction! And she killed her pets and shot herself... Wow!

[@kallenyc]

10 seconds? You know she showed up on purpose bc she knew he had another woman in his apt, right? I'm sure she knew about Cari well before that brief encounter. The hate was already there. She just wanted to put eyes on her and create a disturbance to the romance that night.

[@TROLLDETECTIVE2]

Dr Grande is following me as I watched a documentary on this crazy case just last night 👀

[@trawlins396]

The 20/20 episode?

[@davevokey792]

When they returned to his apartment on their first date and his ex "Liz" coincidentally happened to call to insist that was the night she had to come and get the random crap she had left there for months, I immediately thought to myself "stalker". I can only imagine how quickly she appeared after he told her it was ok to come by when you consider that she passed Cari on her way out.

[@GravyGoodbread]

Wait what? Can u clarify? The time line is so confusing. He dated both women in one night? Was the same night both women crossed paths is when the murder happened??

[@moonstruck562]

@@GravyGoodbread yes sounds like it. One woman was leaving his house after the first date and the other was coming in to pick up her stuff. That's when they cross pathes for a brief second.... very odd that this woman would murder the other after such a small encounter, right

[@GravyGoodbread]

@@moonstruck562 did she kill her THAT night?

[@moonstruck562]

@@GravyGoodbread I don't believe anyone knows. It never came up, as she's still proclaiming her innocence

[@MsSonali1980]

@@GravyGoodbread No. She killed her somewhere around daytime another day. The guy told the police that she left her in the morning for work. I think she saw her after their first date. I also think she already stalked him.

[@rullmourn1142]

I saw this story done in depth, I was like 😳 Whaa? It was truly creepy, bizarre.

[@lysawoolley2113]

Ooohhh almost 18 minutes...excited

[@thors1fan140]

Whoa!!! Dr. grande,It’s exhausting just hearing about everything this Golyar character did...she really applied herself, didn’t she?! TY We luv ya, Dr. G!😻

[@malabuha]

Talking about fatal attractions 😨 it took only 10 sec Scary

[@melodieperkins7080]

I agree jealousy and envy are a very dangerous combination. Very good discussion

[@mrjamiebowman]

I grew up with someone with a personality like this... at the end he says she could have had "psychopathy or narcissism"... This controlling, manipulative evil behavior from a bruised ego is very consistent with the malignant narcissist that I know... other than the murder... this is very consistent with how they act. This person would hurt himself, if it meant he could hurt the person who he perceived as a threat.... he would litterally risk ruining his life to dominate another person. Mind blowing behaviour.

[@zensbleexperience3470]

I'm reading the tangled web book about this case. Why did they not do handwriting analysis on the messages she left? Seems simple enough.What really baffles me is Liz had a boyfriend he never noticed anything? And...even tho he didnt know Cari well he knew Liz well enough to see this crazy behavior was like the crazy things Liz had said and done prior to Cari. I'm glad she finally got caught. When she shot herself she didnt have evidence on her body? Powder burns or whatever.

[@istateyourname4710]

Lol. Frank Drebin quote: 'Like a midget @ a urinal, I was going to have to stay on my toes.'

[@cottontails9003]

Great analysis.I found it extremely "edifying". Thanks Dr Grande you are the best!.

[@Hibarasama]

You know, I seriously wonder why there isn't some sort of background check on dating sites; given the average age of app maker (late 20s-early 30s), that definitely should be a concern. I've read of several cases of stalkers using apps for their new playground. John Meehan scared the heck out of me. The stalkers haven't changed, just the way the find and trick their victims.

[@Zach-h2l]

I'm sorry but I don't understand the relevance of this on this video. Wasn't a good chunk of Dr. Grande's analysis about the fact that she seemed "completely unremarkable, didn't stand out in a negative way"? What difference would a background have made?

[@Redmanticore]

extensive background checks are costly. people wouldn't agree to them. go ahead, make a dating site that demands real life many months-long taking background check, and see how many registers. I guess in theory you could make a minimal background check automatic if the government database on prison records opened up to dating sites. though I imagine only china would allow such public privacy disregards.

[@thebest12700]

that would be too much work. and dating sites are mostly full of odd individuals so it would be pointless

[@emilyjane7381]

Thanks 🙏🏼😇 TGIF ✨ have a good weekend and make some time for yourself!! ❤️

[@cbesthelper404]

Best takeaway: "Don't underestimate the power of jealousy."

[@qiuwbr091]

Dr. Grande- You have led me to research “mate retention tactics” in both males and females. You are really, really helpful. I don’t think ANYONE would clue me other than you. They have had opportunities, and never cared that much. Not even my professors who watched me being abused on campus. Thank you!

[@debb6642]

I think the motive to murder is that, unlike the other women Dave dated, Carri was the one who moved in with Dave, albeit temporary. This could have ramped up Liz jealousy to homicide.

[@cinnamongirl4315]

Just when I was about to leave a comment about this specific case you come out with a video! 🙌 🙆‍♀️

[@mareelovely]

This was covered by 20/20 a few weeks ago, and I thinking like you that this would be perfect for Dr. Grande to deconstruct.

[@cinnamongirl4315]

@@mareelovely I saw that one! Such a crazy case

[@hangoutwithme346]

I couldn’t believe she would kill her own pets to frame the other woman. No soul. She caused so much pain to so many people and creatures. Because of her ego.

[@toasted_.coconut]

Thankfully I'm a big enough weirdo, my Mom would quickly figure out it was an imposter sending texts. With bipolar my meltdowns and mania are fairly often. She'd get suspicious if a few days went by without me calling her up to cry about something inconsequential.

[@jguenther3049]

I acknowledge your distress. It's an awful condition. It would seem you've retained your sense of humor or irony.

[@trawlins396]

@@jguenther3049 a made up condition invented for self absorbed ppl who want sympathy.

[@trawlins396]

Yeah ok. You haveBPD like EVERY other female in your demographic 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@trawlins396]

It's a very curious thing that everyone who SAYS (🙄major eye roll) that they have that condition ALL seem to look alike. Hhhhmmm 🤔🤔. What a strange phenomenon. All WW. Always.

[@unowen7416]

Many years back, I was in an abusive relationship, and my ex used to get on my phone and make posts on social media, pretending to be me, and send threatening texts to any male friend, blocking anyone he seemed a threat. Then, he would text everyone I knew, pretending to be me: My mom, my son, sister, my best friend. They ALL could tell immediately that it wasn't me, especially my mom, who asked him questions only I would know the answer too!

[@zachary1887]

You should do Timothy McVeigh sometime, i always found him interesting

[@bethewalt7385]

Livin' for Dr. Todd's Scooby-Doo analogy, Dr. You are not just a gentleman and scholar, your clever wit steps right up in such a sharp way... shows what a humorous man you are as well

[@deborahfairbanks4012]

I had a coworker like this. Thank God it didn't extend into murder! She harassed me for years while we worked together, and after we retired, she STILL insists on harassing me when she sees me. Thank God, again, I never see her any more... Our lives are totally separate.

[@festerbestertester9935]

Krupa said Golyar was "pretty?" I disagree. Farver was an attractive woman, but Golyar was a bridge troll.

[@thebest12700]

lol

[@harvey2609]

🤣🤣 That's cold.

[@niftynic115]

I can't help but think Liz would have gotten away with murder had she not sent all those texts and emails.

[@ET_Bermuda]

I was lost during everything after: "I'll leave the link to Patreon down below."

[@ET_Bermuda]

@@ginashemeth7708 For real. I think it would've helped if he'd have displayed each individual's photo while discussing their respective part.

[@yogadork_namaste]

Look up the names in the case and watch a true crime youtuber cover the case in detail. I know some have, because I've heard of it! Try Eleanor neele, Joshua miles, That chapter, Stephanie harlowe, Georgia Marie, Rachel Shannon, Kendal Rae. I forget who all has covered it but it's beyond insane and worth getting more details.

[@bebe553]

@@yogadork_namaste TANGLED WEB !!!

[@carolinarios2994]

I heard it tree times and I'm still confused...

[@racheljohnson7421]

There are a lot of crazy, messed up people in this world. SMH

[@chewychibi03]

Hope all is well with you and your family, Dr. Grande.

[@fatiskitchen7724]

Who are these people not liking Dr.Grande’s videos. 🤨 Another in depth analysis, highlighting unhealthy behaviour patterns. Family can fail us Friends can too Potential love interests go awry Worst is not knowing nor dealing with your own flaws. All Golyar had to do was move on the situation. The guy owed her nothing! Her own life is what she should have taken care of or taken help when needed.

[@SunShine-qk4rb]

What a wild case! But so devastating for all involved.thank goodness justice was finally served

[@barbarastone9785]

Watching this very episode on ID Discovery and you summed it up so well by explaining personality disorders. Very clean and concise.

[@CharlieHumphreys0106]

Dr. Grande I love the Frank Drebin comparison. Thank you for the video was excellent as usual.😊

[@estellehank8959]

It's the randomness of it all I think that gets to me - you never know how someone else is perceiving what is anodyne to you, and that is scary. Well done once again.

[@matthewneufer1758]

She was Jealous of one girl she was very scary

[@Dunitagin93]

This is such a sad, yet fascinating case. Real life is SO much stranger than fiction, is it not? Psychotherapy, psychotherapy, it’s what they’re give to me...you are so right about not making sense, and so much planning-yes...a full-time job. It’s almost as if she couldn’t stop the enjoyment she seemed to get from this; she seems determined to continue the murder, for years on end-I think you described this as an addiction. Why Cari-could her decision to murder her been so spontaneous to be sparked by a few-minute meeting at Dave’s front door? I saw a documentary on this case and found it interesting that they described the photos she had taken of the victims legs and tattoos as ‘trophies’. So tell me, is it just as common for women to engage in this type of behavior as men? What is behind the significance of that, especially when the discovery of those items would, in all likelihood, seal their fate? Is it to simply relive the crime at any cost? Dr. G., your take on this was, as is your usual-very interesting and right on. I agree that she most likely would have gotten away with it (not that I’m supporting her in this endeavor) had she simply moved on. But, again, she seemed unable to let the deed rest. I think it should also encourage anyone who dabbles in on-line dating (or ANY dating, I suppose!) to put a potential ‘match’ under very severe scrutiny before pursuing the individual. It really shines a light on that when you consider that Dave even commenced seeing Liz AFTER she had killed Cari. One would think he must have noticed some sort of instability throughout the years he maintained a relationship with her. There appears to be so many attention-seeking behaviors going on that are particularly disturbing to me; the setting of the fire that she must have known would result in the demise of her dog and other pets, and shooting herself. Both would certainly seem to garner sympathy and cement the role of victim for her. I wonder if this is the goal or just a perk that she finds as beneficial? Geez, this woman needs help, huh? She undoubtedly needs to be kept separate from the rest of society for the remainder of her life but would also a great case study for law enforcement. Forgive my lengthy comment. Getting to the point is not one of my strong suits. I do wish safety to all and Happy Holidays!

[@mrs.reluctant4095]

Since doctor likes it the hard way, I would suggest, in this time of the year, a "Christmas-case" (not really, but it happened on this day) the Covina massacre of the family Ortega, that happened december 2008 in Covina near Los Angeles.

[@liznocomma]

Your subtle sarcasm gets me every time 😂

[@bellavida8846]

Ladies remember, if a man wants something serious, he would ask for commitment. Eliminating “competition” won’t make him be with you for anything else but sex.

[@PardonMyPresence]

Anyone else had to replay this many times because they couldn't keep up with the names? Good work Doc VERY thorough review.

[@coletteobrien1224]

Anyone that is really interested in this case, there is a true crime book out call "A Tangled Web" by Leslie Rule. You will not believe the extent of stalking etc., that Shanna did. Its still hard for me to understand why no one figured it out sooner.

[@trawlins396]

The 20/20 episode is really good too. Ann Rule is one of the commentators.

[@henkbarnard1553]

1:07 check the no homicidal check box. Ok, will do.

[@jsmithsemper4848]

I have stalkers. I am leaving social media in the new year. I am wondering if that's the best idea after seeing this. knowing that your identity can be manipulated by criminals & murderers is scary & unnerving. Part of the reason why I wish to leave, I just can't handle the voyeurs anymore. Im hoping to lessen the paranoia of my own personality & somewhat enjoy life again without that feeling of someone's always watching & they really do hate you. But mostly it's just started to eat into my time like an addiction & I want to be free from that. I guess since i only use one platform, I can leave the platform I use without worrying bc when I left other ones it was fine.

[@vlili4385]

Thanks for doing the analysis Dr :)... This lady was so unreal and so very complex. I hope I never meet someone like her, or in the event I do, I know how to deal with her.

[@Adara007]

This is one disturbing case. Thank you for continuing to analyse various different and interesting types of cases with your focus on scientific objectivity mixed with a deft touch of a keen INTP wit - much appreciated by this INTJ! Would you be able to look at Michael Hutchence? He was the very talented lead singer of Australian band, INXS, & tragically a dangerous punch to his head five (5) years prior to his suicide caused him permanent damage to his frontal lobes.

[@cshanek]

Likely didn't start with Carri. Lots of suspicion around her sons death long before.

[@amyprice3661]

Happy dance!! I am not familiar with this case......Friday night is my "mommy night in with no other duties" so wine and Dr. Grande's video it is!!! :)

[@kshaw2307]

As scary as it is, Golyar kind of reminds me of my mum. I don't think she'd go as far as murder, but I see some worrying similarities. Good job I'm no longer in contact with her!

[@QueenAusetHeru]

Excellent video!

[@elphaba4674]

Never heard of this one...great analysis as always 👌

[@nicolecourtney8688]

I just found this channel and i am loving it 💞

[@nathaliemancilla2387]

I though she was borderline, she did everything trying to keep the man and her level of jealousy OMG

[@christinekrebs2420]

Fascinating case and you cover it so well. Thank you!

[@sandraromero986]

A warning to all those polyamorous jealousy is a super dark force.

[@SPK-op4rr]

Just watched Netflix. Woah insane. Those cops though wow amazing

[@KristyKins]

Morning, Dr. Grande! ☺ At 1:04 "He forgot to check the homicidal stalker checkbox. I'll never understand why this isn't checked by default in these apps". Though I giggled, I agree with this statement wholeheartedly. 👍

[@paulkuhlman5010]

Interesting view; I just attended a review of this murder a few minutes ago and found this while researching it further. I would take exception with Dr. Grande's opinion regarding the police investigation. It was the detectives and investigators of a smaller rural sheriff's office who took the initiative and re-opened a missing persons case to followed it up, rather than just dismissing the victim, Cari Farver as a person with a mental health issues (she did), who chose to disappear (check out the number of people reported missing every month just in the city of Los Angeles). Interviews, searches, reviewing physical, DNA and digital evidence (lots and lots of digital evidence) and the forensics associated with evaluating them, take time, but in the end, they were able to identify this murder. Consider this, the police put together a case, with which a prosecutor was able to obtain a conviction. This was done without either a body or a weapon. How often does that happen? However I do concur, this murders has severe mental health issues and may be responsible for another death in her past (that is still being investigated).

[@OyVeyLala]

Here’s what stands out to me about Golyar- I agree the entitlement to harass is huge, playing the victim and demonstrating dramatic (fake) harassment of herself gave her a high and she became compulsive, she was really comfortable with having this stalker and phony stalker sides hidden, and eventually she didn’t have enough self awareness to know it wasn’t anything that could stay hidden forever, it was a fun game to continue playing for years and even if she didn’t initially commit murder she probably would’ve continued this kind of harassment and phony role playing kind of self-harassment for as long as she was witnessing a reaction from everyone including Cari’s family and Dave and his friends. And once the police got involved she fed that angle more and more, too. If people just ignored it she might’ve actually stopped and then they wouldn’t have found out about Cari’s murder. The whole scheme wasn’t only born out of jealousy but was also born out of a desire to create dramatic attention on herself yet hide behind these other personas so that she could take advantage of victimhood

[@autumnedwards4448]

There is nothing better than a Dr Grande breakdown!💙 What a strange and interesting case!🤔

[@jackblack3718]

It takes a wicked, black heart to imitate a murder victim to their friends and family for years, taunt and insult them for doubting you and try to frame them for all your wrongdoing. The lesson here is: if you receive a text from a loved one telling you they're suddenly leaving out of nowhere, call the police and don't accept anymore texts, only phone calls.