Shapiro Doesn't Realize This Big Mistake & Gets It All WRONG

SCOTUS Makes A Decision & The Left Goes INSANE
► • SCOTUS Makes A Decisio...
Trump Is Immune
► • Trump Is Immune
Date: 4 Jul, 2024
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00:00:00 Teasers / Intro
00:00:45 Destiny summarizes the supreme court ruling
00:23:22 NoahPinion cited thread
00:36:28 Ben Shapiro "SCOTUS Makes A Decision & The Left Goes INSANE"
01:12:11 Legal Eagle "Trump is immune"
#destiny
#politics
#debate

[@destiny]

THIS IS INSANE! Trump Says False Elector Scheme Was An Official Act ►kzbin.info/www/bejne/q4GkpKGrn512hLM

[@ticklefights]

This is easier than people are making it. If the president uses S6 to eliminate everyone he needs to eliminate to create a SCOTUS of his choosing, then he has whatever rights he wants, because SCOTUS makes that determination per the constitution. This question is - and always has been - a question about what orders a hypothetical S6 would obey, not about what the president can do. He could have always given such orders. If you think S6 is a magic wand the president can wave to get rid of people in his way then he could just take out prosecutors or whatever as well. It obviously doesn't work this way. This is basically bluanon. For it to actually happen it requires WAY too many people to conspire and cooperate.

[@God-Almighty]

Love you 🤟

[@scotchbarrel4429]

Alitos wife called it, theyre all having a laugh, lets hope enough people vote 💙

[@IPUTmyBALLSonYOURdrumset]

BTW tell Dan to pay for my trip to Miami. I wanna go I'm just scared of gators. Merica. BBls and fake boobs.... lesssgoooo. I heard Florida is the Kentucky of the far east.. I'm joking.... I'm joking

[@IPUTmyBALLSonYOURdrumset]

@@scotchbarrel4429 Biden is done. If any democrat "wins" everyone knows American democracy is a farce, No democrat has high enough international polling. CNN faked a poll saying kamala is right behind Trump. That is ridiculous. When she ran no one backed her. It's Trump or no one believes elections are real. Even big Mike Obama can't beat Trump. "Her" polling is ridiculous. No one gives a shit about the wife of a president. In 2016 CNN would have Trump - 10 to 14 points to drag him in the aggregate. It's not real. Biden is low 20's and trump hit the high 60's. Steal it again and see what happens.

[@LowTempDabr]

For the first 10ish seconds of this video I thought they were having a back and forth conversation lol

[@jmh4ggg]

Same, even though I watched part of it live, it still fooled me.

[@seanmurphy2365]

Why don't they actually debate about this issue

[@ActuallyEvil]

@@seanmurphy2365 They have!

[@seanmurphy2365]

@@ActuallyEvil not on this

[@seanmurphy2365]

@@ActuallyEvil the actual debate they had was disappointing for those of us who had been wanting them to debate for years. There needs to be a heated debate like on this subject

[@Enkarashaddam]

Justicetiny arc now in full swing

[@aSSGoblin1488]

i miss the jewlumni😢

[@Pemmican1871]

@@aSSGoblin1488 miss the lion of zion arc 😔

[@eivindnyborg3369]

@@aSSGoblin1488

[@ataridc]

one weird trickstiny

[@CutACrow]

He's on the Supreme Court along side count dankula

[@Ifslayanct]

oh shit, Nebraska Steve is now Lawyer Steve.

[@MrImportantGuy]

Vyvanse Steve

[@steveng6704]

He should just study hard and take a bar exam to see if he can pass just to prove the doubters wrong that he's not a lawyer and his opinion is not valid according to constitutional law

[@alexd4566]

@@steveng6704You can’t just study for the bar exam and pass if you have zero legal background lol. I’m not denying Steven is intelligent enough to obtain a JD if he really wanted to, but no shot he would ever pass the bar without a multi-year formal education program.

[@steveng6704]

@@alexd4566 never watched catch me if you can? 😂

[@TheFenrirulfr]

@@steveng6704 Its a fictional movie, inspired by the tales of a guy that ironically FOOLED everyone he came across that he was this giant fraudster. none of the things he did were substantiated by anyone but himself.

[@AFR0PR1NC3]

Right wingers read this ruling like they read the Bible. They point to the parts they like and ignore everything else.

[@Anonymous_Andy_]

Left wingers read the ruling and think…how can i get away with this using it as a weapon

[@stephybabs3233]

Right-wingers are not the ones who cherry pick the Bible.

[@maize3201]

And that’s assuming they even read either in the first place so yeah that tracks lol.

[@AFR0PR1NC3]

@@stephybabs3233 They do when it comes to slavery, genocide, and anything that contradicts science.

[@antonioiniguez1615]

@@AFR0PR1NC3 The Bible never says anything positive about Genocide or slavery

[@StanleyHalas]

The problem with this decision should be so simple. The president shouldn’t be protected from scrutiny he should be subjected to intense scrutiny in every regard.

[@a.j.mccann4363]

Unless their names are Clinton, Obama, or Biden.

[@RubenO.-tz5vv]

It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. Edit: Ben is a conservative's conservative. Ben's core value is being a conservative. Currently conservatives have sold out to Trump. Conservatives' other self proclaimed values are easily dropped in support of Trump, always. Judeo-Christian values Facts over feelings Rationality Morality Logic The constitution ....etc. This is why Trump distorts everything! This is why people shamelessly defend Trump regardless of how bad Trump contradicts even their own "conservative" values. Most conservatives left a cult for another, currently the Trump cult is in full force. We are NOT dealing with rational and moral people, we are dealing with dogmatic cultists loyal to Trump. Look at the criticism coming from Trump supporters. All style, no substance....just like Trump. This is a personality cult and must be treated as such. We must keep pointing out their blind allegiance to Trump.

[@yayorandel6048]

@@RubenO.-tz5vv true, when applied to destiny.

[@roymarshall_]

And it's so depressing because Shapiro is so capable and could actually heal conservatism if he wasn't so audience captured.

[@kylemetoyer8725]

@@yayorandel6048wanna elaborate on that bit, cuz destiny has many times taken positions that the left doesn’t agree with at all, like the rittenhouse case for example

[@faikerdogan2802]

@@yayorandel6048 like when destiny earns from streaming drama leage of legends watching tiktok fighting his own community ? yeah all those really require not understing stuff

[@Matick-]

Do you have any original thoughts on the matter? Or are you just going to parrot others words?

[@anthonyquigley9543]

Can't wait for people to say Destiny either didn't read the Supreme Court Decision or that he only got the Wiki version..

[@Coffeeisnecessarynowpepper]

Hasanabi said that

[@gavincotter9326]

So he read it him self with no training or understanding of constitutional law

[@KonoGufo]

@@gavincotter9326 Should you need special training to be able to understand the criminal immunity of your nation's leader?

[@zFamiliar]

the vyvanse is undefeated!

[@JimmyThree-Balls]

​@@KonoGufo I believe those are called lawyers

[@lumayne8829]

"I give Trump slack because he's like a child" - Ben Shapiro, just remember that guys.

[@user-gc1wj8tt2p]

LBH it's the dems in cities like new york that literally pushed this. Alvin Bragg was known for letting criminals go yet for trump he focused on getting trump guilty on any and all charges he could find. The election case was strong but the one with bragg was just document BS.

[@-47-]

And a child who occupies possibly the most powerful position in the world should definitely be immune against criminal prosecution

[@thereccher8746]

Imagine going into a degree and the professor goes, "well you're kind of an idiot, so I'll bump your grade up to a B."

[@seaofseeof]

Damn, I missed that. Where did he say that?

[@brucehwang9789]

​@@-47-it's only the Dems who use the gov to go after their opps

[@jessieurena7583]

Ben shapiro was mr "I'm against expanding power of the executive branch and Obama should be indicted." 😂

[@CrabyMan]

Fucking true, now the snake flips

[@Dloopgroop]

When did he say obama should be indicted? I could believe it but leftists tend to lie..... every time.

[@SAFbikes]

What has Shapiro called on Obama to be indicted for? I have only heard far lefties and Dave Smiths saying Obama should be indicted for "bombing an American with no trial" but I heard bennyboy say that that was part of his official duties. I don't doubt that I totally missed an Arrest Obama thing from Shapiro but it would be interesting to hear what he said about it

[@ImHeywood]

How does the Supreme Court ruling expand the power of the executive? It doesn't grant any new powers does it?

[@Dloopgroop]

@@ImHeywood it doesn't. It just formalized what was unwritten in the past since before now we used to not try to imprison our opponents

[@mulatso7959]

Why people in comments keep treating lawyers as sacred cows? I'm a lawyer, there's nothing wrong with Destiny's analysis right here. It's just a proffession where you read stuff and you arm a puzzle of laws here and there and just make sense out of it. It's not sacred or obscure knowledge. Words and interpretations reveal themselves quite easily for anyone that can read

[@humanmerelybeing1966]

Wait til they hear about paralegals.

[@kloakheesten]

It's honestly so bizarre that people think that non-lawyers are just some cavemen walking around with the inability to understand law. And either way, Pisco agrees with destiny, and more importantly, the dissent hold the same opinions as destiny. Obviously there is some merit to these arguments lmao

[@PityOnlyFools]

What about Tax law?

[@exaqtian]

Im a lawyer, and i put it to you that you are not a lawyer, because stating "im a lawyer" at the start of what you say may be enough for idiots on the internet but its not enough for me an actual lawyer (you know i am because i said at the start) You pretending to be a lawyer in order to make idiots further believe what you are defending, as a fully qualified psychiatrist i have to say this is a classic classic case of Onset GBN (Giant Brown Noser). Thats my expert opinion anyway.......ya know speaking as an Astronaught.

[@mcbean1]

That sort of applies to any profession.

[@AceofDlamonds]

Destiny's chat is even far too charitable to Ben Shapiro. He's not just wrong on a lot of things, he's flat out pandering.

[@Amick2003]

It’s a tough world out there for intelligent republicans rn. Either throw away every principle you ever stood for and shill for Trump or lose your entire base and trash your career disavowing him.

[@bigwheel9468]

I disagree, even as a big destiny watcher

[@AceofDlamonds]

@@Amick2003 Yes, in particular I admire libertarians who haven't strayed after the Trump movement. Funny how they are called RINOs or accused of having TDS while the real RINOs are people following an authoritarian personality cult.

[@nathanmcdowell4731]

@@Amick2003 didn't Destiny say he'd vote for Bidens ashes in an urn? Thats real integrity 👍 the shameless blind loyalty to a party is just as reasonable as shameless blind loyalty to a candidate. Who's accountable when the ashes aren't fulfilling their duties? Oh right, Trump probably...

[@antonioiniguez1615]

Ben Shapiro is 100% correct

[@venchergaming]

Insert Lethal Weapon 2 clip "Diplomatic Immunity!" *shot in head* "It's just been revoked!"

[@cesarvidal1063]

BASED?????

[@zdip2341]

I love how this title is supposed to surprise me but I'm well accustomed to Ben Shapiro making mistakes and getting it all wrong.

[@willygene829]

It’s not even that he makes mistakes. Let’s not pretend Ben Shapiro doesn’t know what he’s doing. He knows exactly what he’s doing.

[@Jaryism]

Yeah Destiny 100% isn’t a Biden shill no matter how incompetent.. he totally wouldn’t still vote for him if he was an Urn…

[@dalooly]

@@willygene829fr he’s so annoying, he is so obviously a shill I don’t like how destiny pretends he isn’t

[@Coffeeisnecessarynowpepper]

Hasanabi should debate

[@kipz]

Misrepresenting facts intentionally so your base doesn't turn on you is not "making mistakes"

[@Long_Boy420]

how is it even humanly possible to be this locked in to a completely different reality from the one we live in

[@-__Shadow__-]

Idk ask a progressive.

[@thehylian6984]

@@-__Shadow__-37 comments

[@ihaveachihuahau]

You guys are delusional lmfao. Think men can be women and other ret^rd stuff.

[@killzone866]

@@-__Shadow__- lets ask you?

[@Lycanmaster]

It’s a great comment because you could be referring to either person 😉

[@DahVoozel]

In a discussion with the Ambasador to Russia, the president says he will end aid to Ukraine if certain Democrats became unalive. In a dinner with the Russian Ambassador, the US Ambassador brings up the discussion with the President as ridiculous, a bad idea. Democrates become unalive. Ukraine aid stops. Prove this was soliciting a foriegn country to assassinate political rivals without examimining any part of the President's discussion with the ambassador.

[@KryptonianChaos1]

Ben's never met Nebraska Steve. And it's akshully so sad.

[@thereccher8746]

"Criminal immunity" is not a phrase that should ever leave a human being's mouth or be entered into a document under any circumstances, from now till the end of time. Period.

[@Tavat]

Immunity is applied constantly in RICO cases. But not prior absolute immunity.

[@AroundTheBest]

Destiny literally admits that presidential immunity needs to exist to some degree here (37:52). He spends the rest of the video being a liberal shill.

[@Tavat]

@@AroundTheBest “liberal shill,” huh? I find it fascinating how MAGAtards, who are so clued-in on identifying instances of politically biased arguments and actions by liberals, somehow fail to acknowledge that it is esteemed Republican Constitutional scholars like Michael Luttig who are standing MOST firmly against this ruling. Not to mention that it was Republican lawyers who brought the suit in Colorado and other states to remove Trump from the ballot and blasted SCOTUS’s ruling on that, too. The fact is that the conservatives on this SCOTUS bench are out of line with the Constitution, period. They were put their by an incredibly sophisticated dark-money funnel (Federalist Society) whose goal is to help corporations and special interest groups keep their money and avoid regulation (see:Chevron), not to fairly and soberly interpret the Constitution. It’s really difficult to argue with MAGAtards and other conservatives who claim not to be MAGAtards who endlessly support whatever the GOP does. At what point do we need to get to before you acknowledge the reality of what is actually happening right now? Before you realize it was a big mistake for our society? We don’t trust you because we have seen that you are delusional and do not have good judgement when it comes to politics and law.

[@jeremias-serus]

just wait until bro realizes most countries right now and almost all throughout history have been autocratic, with the autocrat having full legal immunity

[@garythecyclingnerd6219]

@@jeremias-serusSo? We’re supposed to be better than that. We proved that autocracy is barbarism

[@AnthonySopran0]

No girls name comment in 3 minutes? Fell off

[@jakeroper1096]

They were trump supporters who were trying to degrade him, they’ve now left

[@KingAwesomeOutputs]

Those kinds of comments are being banned now there was a community post about it

[@cdubsb3831]

Destiny? That's an armchair Wikipedia lawyer's name.

[@akaliislifeakaliislove5968]

@@KingAwesomeOutputs fr? 1984 Destiny changed...

[@jeremias-serus]

august is being a cringer and banning commenters commenting that

[@Officially_Unofficial1]

I wish Ben wasn’t a coward and would stop trying in his echo chamber and join the stream and talk about the decision. Wishful thinking…. Most of these dudes are spineless cowards

[@noahjwhite]

I don’t think it’s cowardice, with Ben it’s always $$$$

[@Officially_Unofficial1]

@@noahjwhite How much more money does he need to make at this point? He established his platform and audience and should be reaching out and having conversations with people

[@antonioiniguez1615]

Ben already debated destiny and embarrassed him

[@procrastinatingpuma]

@@antonioiniguez1615 How did Ben embarrass Destiny?

[@americanslav9694]

@@antonioiniguez1615 It was literally a one hour chat. Hardly a debate at all

[@corn7986]

Crazy to think if Hillary won we would never be having this conversation

[@Tom-jy3in]

ngl the world would be completely different if Hillary won

[@russelld2925]

And if the rebels lost the revolutionary war we wouldn't either. If a trillion different things happened this wouldn't be happening.

[@JeyPeyy]

I can't believe people didn't pokemon go to the polls smh

[@johnno8586]

You have to be a huge weetard to want that outcome

[@JeyPeyy]

@@johnno8586 Why? Please tell me how Hillary becoming the president would be worse than having an insurrectionist ex-president with almost full immunity.

[@connerpaul9401]

I hate how Ben primes his audience to believe he's the only one who understood the supreme court ruling

[@kumar01234]

At what point do people realize Ben Shapiro is basically like a right wing Hasan. He's a propagandist

[@wakkablockablaw6025]

Bruh, I can understand Jesse Lee Peterson being compared to Hasan, but Ben Shapiro? Ben actually has, ya know, a brain. Also principles.

[@s1002546]

@@wakkablockablaw6025 Ben has a brain? Lolz!!!

[@bartoszkrawczyk5921]

​@@s1002546 At least when Ben makes an argument, you feel like he put more thought into it than "America bad, capitalism bad"

[@s1002546]

@@bartoszkrawczyk5921 But Ben has equally ridiculous arguments about socialism and Israel/Gaza. So it's basically comes down to the subject he is talking about, that makes him look smart or a complete moron.

[@thereccher8746]

Even Destiny is too dense to tell that Ben is a grifter.

[@arisrayden]

dude, nixon literally tried to argue "well if the president does it, that means it is NOT illegal"

[@DerUnbekannte]

thanks for the update vg, really rounded out the video

[@howdareyou41]

Close down the WH legal dept... who needs it. nothing is illegal... I mean at least let's save some money there

[@trailerparkproduction3819]

Better call Steve

[@Observette]

Thank you for taking the time to break it all down for us Stevie.

[@Enochuout]

Much thanks for mentioning the notes. I had no idea you had such a useful thing available for free. 👩‍🍳's 💋

[@GenerallDRK]

FUN FACT!: A Giant Black Hole Hurls Through Space At Five Million Miles Per Hour

[@MrImportantGuy]

Yes please

[@noahjwhite]

And earth is flying through expanding space at 5 mil mph… how soon do we collide?

[@michaelboucher7645]

Fun Fact: The Appalachian mountains have been on earth for longer than trees!

[@peach_of_justus]

Fun Fact: The sun is hot

[@roycampbell586]

​@@PigPissBeUponThemDo you think black holes don't exist or smth?

[@matthew1337]

Legit these intros are really effective in making me watch this shit.

[@danielwaller2629]

Destiny talking about the safeguards of the judicial system like we just haven’t watched the NY asset valuation trial

[@babyqueenxo]

Ngl he had us in the first 10 seconds😂

[@thehylian6984]

The troll comments make me not want to live on this planet anymore

[@samanthasmith733]

Your life is so hard. Opposing views are so hard to stomach, I know 😢

[@peach_of_justus]

So what planet would you like to live on? Maybe try the "dont read the comments" planet. No one is forcing you to read them so you just have a tendency for self harm. It's just not that serious cuz, watch a disney movie and eat some popcorn 🎉

[@Tavat]

@@samanthasmith733If those “opposing views” weren’t based on perversions of reality and completely made-up facts, it sure would be a lot less nauseating to counter them.

[@garythecyclingnerd6219]

@@samanthasmith733Living in a country where 40% of the people have blindly decided they want facisim is hard.

[@JustAPriapism]

The real plot twist: at least half of them, probably arent even trolling. 😬

[@lumayne8829]

Ben Shapiro simping for Trump? Who would've thought...

[@wakkablockablaw6025]

Mans didn't even vote for him the first time around.

[@girth_goblin]

Lmao president Vaush really wanted to steal that horse

[@ianmccarty990]

What are the definitions of immunity currently and what are the conditions that break immunity. It seems like they're using the idea of "acting within" with a presumption of acting in the interests of the people. But the condition is the interests of the people. Could it be argued that if the president is acting in self interest eliminates official acts since the oath is to the Office and not themself?

[@chrhlnd9224]

The office of the President can just say it was an official act. Now you can't investigate. You'll have to go to court to even ask questions.

[@howdareyou41]

1:11:00 he's soooo short sighted this isn't just about Trump and Biden JFC

[@defective6811]

I do have to admit I find it funny that the people I see most celebrating it are also those who a few years ago were most condemning the idea of policy by judge. What I find most striking, though, is not the adventurous policy nature of the decision, but the rank amateur capacity with which the decision was constructed. Even if one is of the opinion that rules such as these should exist, the form in which they are conveyed is absolutely childish. It presumes endless goodwill on the behalf of the president, and countenances no possibility that the powers might be abused. It is at best arguable whether a decision such as this should exist, but even if you think it should then you should be outraged with the terrible quality of the decision itself.

[@bartoszkrawczyk5921]

...oh my god i forgot, you are right. Around when Roe v Wade was struck down, conservatives were doing victory laps, saying "Yeah, no more legislation from the bench!" I guess legislation from the bench is fine as long as it benefits me.

[@killzone866]

when you realize that the Conservatives on the court are partisan hacks (and admit it) with no care for how they appear you will realize they are exactly like the rest of the conservative base.

[@charliegordon-qh2ll]

What do you think the US Constitution allows a POTUS to do?

[@chillin5703]

Because these people were never against that principle. They're about what they can gain from it. This is like states rights with the civil war, except now they want to ignore those rights vis a vis planned parenthood

[@chillin5703]

​@@charliegordon-qh2llthe constitution in its original text nowhere outlines that POTUS has these immunities, nor was it ever amended to say so, _even though_ various state constitutions did contain such language. Clearly, they knew they could have included such a stipulation if they so desired.

[@deadmanj9279]

I’m interested in viewing this video edited by August and made by Tiny B.

[@DirtySanchez333]

Thanks destiny

[@superhamz7]

Isnt shapiro a harvard law grad?

[@killcount4750]

Yup interesting which side Destiny fans are taking when Destiny himself said Ben knows more about this stuff

[@megatron_1988]

Damn, I ain’t ever been this early.

[@MrAdamo]

Your girlfriend would disagree

[@mattperez7366]

Can I get this outline? I’d love to have it published somewhere.

[@nicholasg.5441]

We need a term for people who reference the status quo as proof that nothing bad can happen

[@DSYOOOO]

Has Destiny said anything about that Project 2025 thing or nah.

[@-__Shadow__-]

Lol you mean that fake crap that only leftists are talking about and promoting? Hahahahaha

[@shirinatron3585]

Wtf is with these thumbnails lol

[@adamspartz1840]

I need these notes on the overview of roberts decision. Where did destiny find them?

[@henhousecannibalstudios310]

God I love the horse example ! “Deliver this horse to my backyard! I want to ride the horse around. Do it or I’ll fire you!”

[@Lodeous]

IDK if Shapiro would be up for it but I would really appreciate if you could discuss or debate this with him. He was anti trump in 2016 so it's weird to see him shift to full defense mode on Trump

[@intermediate212]

You realize more than 70% of conservative voters support Trump, right? Ben would absolutely tank the Dailywire's viewership if he doesn't defend Trump.

[@Drigallski]

@@intermediate212 sadly true

[@killzone866]

Its called audience capture. The republican base has been captured by trump so you cannot be a bitch and disagree. The snowflakes cant take criticism of their god king.

[@anyways4438]

He was against Trump during the primaries, he just supports him against the democrats

[@tmsibley]

2016 is a long time ago, you've never heard of people changing there minds? Shapiro is a dedantis supporter but he hasn't been never trump since Trump was elected. He has openly said for years now that Trump has great policy but horrendous rhetoric. I don't think you listen to Shapiro much.

[@turtleshell6391]

49:18 here is a time stamp to skip Shapiro's ad.

[@1SquidBoy]

This kind of content is exactly why I like to watch/listen to destiny.

[@BigLeafyTree]

I think one of the challenges with this is that until you really sit down and dig into it, people will default to what they think it SHOULD say. They’ll say “No it can’t possibly say X, that would be crazy” when it does say X.

[@leroture7750]

Destiny takes the LSAT to law school to judge to Supreme Court justice arc????

[@rinyald]

I want a Shapiro debate on this. I honestly don’t believe he believes what he’s saying here

[@Prometheus4096]

Destiny refuses to actually debate Shapiro. Destiny knows half of his audience loves Shapiro and he can't go hard on him.

[@Are_you_eyeballing_me]

@@Prometheus4096he debated Shapiro, what are you talking about

[@venom-gt7rc]

​@@Prometheus4096 The latter part is true, but what about the recent Lex debate?

[@fritzschnitzmueller3768]

@@Prometheus4096 lmao so you're as ignorant as shapiro, I get it. Otherwise you wouldnt make these super obvious false claims. Destiny did debate shapiro one or 2 months ago and Im sure he would do it again

[@odst2247]

The scarier part is the many times they use "absolute".

[@kjkoebke]

I disagree with the framing of what Trump is accused of with his DoJ as part of his powers to choose what the AG investigates. He didn't ask them to investigate, he asked them to write letters saying they had found evidence which they had not. That's asking to conclude an investigation in a certain way not asking to investigate.

[@georgebadey8071]

Destiny, the court has always said what the law is. The legislature can make a law, and the court will decide if that law is constitutional as applied to the president. That is not new. Sotomayor tried to make some argument that the majority was expanding the power of the court but you can go back to marbury versus Madison on judicial review. Go to law school.

[@DeusEx_Machina]

I don't see how that applies here. Can you explain?

[@georgebadey8071]

@@DeusEx_Machina It was in response to Destiny reiterating Sotomayor's claim that the Majority ruling is expanding the powers of the court. The court has had the power to "say what the law is" since Marbury v. Madison. The legislature has no more power to unconstitutionally apply a criminal law to the president before this ruling than they do after.

[@Hilariumosis]

How to be a dictator in a democracy... Basically. Scary how unfunny american that is. A concept only a democracy like america can entertain. The freedom to seriously consider such immunity... Nothing wrong there, just USA being USA doing USA things the USA way 👍🏻

[@fritzschnitzmueller3768]

Muricans doing murican things. As a german this is extremely weird to watch

[@TheLumberjack1987]

it's like the US looks at history and actively refuses to learn from it, truly the dumbest developed country

[@charliegordon-qh2ll]

What do you think this ruling allows the POTUS to do? What do you think the US Constitution allows a POTUS to do?

[@danielsmith1202]

Legal Eagle is my go to when I want to know more about a legal decision/action! Cool to see you watching him 😂

[@bladddeesa]

Around 12:14 Destiny says that Roberts never addresses the "the public interest of not having a crime committing president," but Roberts does do this on page 21 in the last paragraph which concludes: "The President, charged with enforcing federal criminal laws, is not above them." Read the full paragraph for details.

[@sjwright2]

That statement by Roberts doesn't conflict with what Destiny said. Nobody is saying that this ruling places the President above the law in any explicit sense. The concern is that this decision gives a strategically clever President opportunities to cloak some criminal activity within this new immunity.

[@fathomless2151]

I’m looking for this page 21, I looked at the Opinion and the Dissenting and I couldn’t find this statement. Could you cite the page with the paragraph number so I can find it?

[@fathomless2151]

The bottom of page 21 focuses on the nature of the relationship between the president and vice president thus begging the observation of the trump case in particular. Where is this statement?

[@matsab7930]

Yeah I mean this doesn’t address the public interest of not having a crime committing president. I think the main issue here is that republicans are just not very smart on average. I keep reading the rebuttals, but the arguments rely on people having grade-school levels of reading comprehension.

[@charliegordon-qh2ll]

​@@sjwright2Would you be so kind as to describe how a POTUS could use this ruling to "cloak some criminal activity within this new immunity?"

[@vibetech89]

" Science is a Pagan faith " - Candace Owens

[@HistoricaHungarica]

Science is heresy. For the greater good.

[@broski365]

Why is "legal eagle" on the video picture?

[@TriForceB1T]

August is a God King editor!

[@NinjaOnANinja]

Destiny, you are my fave debate person.

[@j._blitz.]

1 view in 1 minute, bro fell off

[@NinjaOnANinja]

People are afraid of thinking.

[@THICKc]

Imma touch you j._blitz

[@ianmccarty990]

Applying porn ratios to non porn is little boy shit

[@j._blitz.]

@@ianmccarty990 what the fuck are you on about

[@turkleton456]

What happened to Tiny's pop filter? It makes a difference

[@justinrivera1618]

19:52 “ when the president does it it’s not illegal”

[@georgebadey8071]

"any judicial review is technically crossing separation of powers" do you really want to overturn marberry versus Madison? Go to law school dude Jesus Christ

[@spacetoast7783]

You may be shocked to learn that every justice on the court went to law school already.

[@ihaveachihuahau]

Judicial review is completely different from personally charging someone with a crime. Striking down an executive order does not send the President to jail. It just nullifies the executive order. Striking down a law doesn't send Congress to prison.

[@WolfDevastator]

@Destiny HEY AUGUST. I hate Shapiro so much that I almost skipped the video. I had no clue there was an explanation of the entire case by Destiny, which WE ALL WANT. FIX YOUR DAMN TITLES! REE

[@ianmccarty990]

With all the legal acrobatics involved, why are we not simply showing the relationship of these Jurors to this case? This is essentially a runaway court showing it's hand. The inevitable conclusion in civic unrest. I don't think the term "chilling" is appropriate anymore. "Daring" seems more apt

[@PositivelyDiverse]

Destiny, they went down the line of what acts would be deemed official in the Supreme Court talk over immunity about 2 month ago..theybdid go down a hypothetical line of what would or would not be deemed official or private matters

[@tetrasphere8165]

2 people id never debate. They both talk too fast.

[@cenunix]

Don’t think they care to debate you either tbf

[@tetrasphere8165]

@@cenunix you don't fucking say!?

[@cenunix]

@@tetrasphere8165 hey man, I’m really sorry

[@tetrasphere8165]

@@cenunix I love you

[@roberteriksen6434]

1:06:42 _He doesn't understand the ruling,,,_ He knows he's lying. He knows you know he's lying. His audience knows he's lying. His audience knows you know they're lying when they say they believe him. We've been here before a thousands times.

[@garythecyclingnerd6219]

I don’t think most of his audience thinks he’s lying. Maybe 50% deep down know there’s something wrong and like being lied to, but we can’t know

[@johndeaton5096]

A question is on what grounds can a president be impeached after this ruling. Can congress look into a presidents actions if those actions could be considered official or on the edge. Base on previous investigations, a president can also stifle attempts to investigate

[@RikairF]

Any grounds. This doesn't touch impeachment at all. Every argument that Destiny has specifically leaves impeachment out of the question because of this.

[@lwatchingvids1059]

There's another angle I've been thinking about. How could this ever be appealed or changed? Isn't the only way for this to come back up to the supreme court by someone with standing presenting a case?......but like, if the president is committing a crime against a citizen using presidential authority, what are the odds that that person could ever pursue legal action?

[@DeusEx_Machina]

I don't think it can

[@freedomextremist7215]

12:00 The public elects the president, they don't elect the courts. That's why the courts should leave the public concerns to the public and focus on not violating the office. You can always vote for a better candidate, pressure congress for an impeachment. The public has no control over courts. A sitting president can always be impeached. A former president shouldn't be hostage to partisan parts of the executive, bot local and federal. The fact that we went this far on such weak "crimes" tells us all we need to know about who is wrong here.

[@Tom-jy3in]

Do you realize how powerful the president is? Just because this doesn't quite literally allow a fascist president to start his rule, it still takes the US one step closer to such a disaster. And if such a disaster were to befall the US, do you really think the world could stop them? You talk of "weak" crimes when the crime alleged is literally an attempted coup/insurrection.

[@David-rp3mf]

Bro why the hell are these videos so long? Can we get like a 20 minute explanation that isn’t just drag and dropped from a steam ??

[@jeremias-serus]

look at the video -> click the Cog -> click Playback Speed -> select 1.5

[@JustAPriapism]

If you cant be bothered and actually care so little about whats happening in your country to invest the time to be educated on it, why care at all? Just close your eyes and ears and live blindly happily like the rest! No ones forcing you to pay attention

[@im2randomghgh]

We spend so much time worrying about Trump and not enough worrying about a supreme Court so crooked they're falling behind the Magna Carta

[@larry7960]

This country is slowly but surely turning into the Handmaids Tales.

[@PolishPocahontass]

How so? What has changed in your life as a result of this

[@blairquinn4768]

I love how Destiny acts like he’s owning Ben Shapiro when he’s not face-to-face with him because we have all seen how that goes

[@florida12341000]

Yeah pretty badly for Ben.

[@orange_penis]

@@florida12341000even destiny didn’t think that 😂

[@garysmokesoak8691]

Destiny acting like he knows how any of this works is priceless.

[@killcount4750]

Especially more than a Harvard educated lawyer he himself admitted knows more?

[@IdleWorker]

@@killcount4750a harvard failure who didnt reach further than assistant after graduating, and then became a youtuber.

[@danielsurvivor1372]

I really hope you could talk with Destiny again about this ruling, if there's one conservative figurehead we could save it would be Ben Shapiro, since clearly his Daily Wire crew is lost

[@fallenshane19]

What happened to not skipping ads?

[@cryptocaesar8972]

Glad I got this group of gamers to explain how the Supreme Court got it wrong. Where would we be without you guys?

[@goddessrick8734]

I guess the sky wizard worshippers on the supreme Court are more credible.

[@colamity_5000]

There is an army of law professors as well, and 3 Supreme Court justices and even partial dissents from Barrett. At least be honest that this ruling is super controversial even among experts.

[@red2theelectricboogaloo961]

so you think every expert agrees that the ruling is nothing to worry about.

[@NuvoVision]

Its funny how libs think conservatives give a fuk about Ben Shapiro 😅

[@tmsibley]

Ben Shapiro is one of the most popular political commentators in the world, he happens to be a conservative. I'd say conservatives are interested in what he has to say. There is no singular political commentator on KZbin more popular. He has 9 million subscribers and the DW is one of the biggest political forces out there. You are confused.

[@NuvoVision]

@tmsibley that doesn't mean shit. I'm heavily into this shit and NO ONE I speak with brings him up. Same thing for fox news....sure they get views but it's from basically NPC conservatives. They just eat up the stories and post about on FB. The people that are actually involved and thinking aren't paying attention to Ben. He's doesn't break any news, he doesn't take any risks.....he's worthless 9m views? Who carss....81 mil votes....just numbers

[@NuvoVision]

@@tmsibley lol..merp merp. Boomer take. Keep listening to Ben👍🤣

[@jackgamble5413]

He brings up objective facts and your response is “merp keep boomer take”? Wow you guys are adorable.

[@NuvoVision]

@jackgamble5413 breath taking review 👏👏👏👏

[@georgebadey8071]

They gave the easy answer: conversations with justice department officals about investigating and prosecuting crimes falls under thebpresident's core powers. Because investigating and prosecuting is the president's, and no one else's, job.

[@34XfeloniousFool]

Destiny fuhcing rocks

[@Jervisdude]

Destiny is cute.

[@lastsonshine]

hes very cute

[@fallenshane19]

Destiny doesn’t understand that he himself doesn’t understand the ruling

[@michaelmurray9232]

Exactly 💯

[@JustAPriapism]

Damn gottem 😂😂 what a thoughtful and well crafted rebuttal 👍

[@fallenshane19]

@@JustAPriapism I had a full on discussion with Anthony quigley somewhere in the comments if you want a substantive discussion

[@aldojoel4836]

I would argue that, if anything, the Constitution is the most federalist law of all. It requires two thirds of both legislative cameras to approve any reform, AND two thirds of State legislatures.

[@mikelivingood7797]

Just as Destiny says there would have to be corruption throughout the legal system, so too would there have to be corruption throughout the military for illegal orders to violate the Constitution. See generals have a long history of evaluating the outcome of military actions. Therefore, they are not idiots. Everyone in the military understands orders are secondary to upholding the Constitution. While Legal Eagle is selling this as the worst, his history of reviewing movies, shows he understands it is illegal to follow orders of a crime. A perfect example is A Few Good Men. Destiny was commenting on the decision prior to having gone over the full ruling. Thus, he is guilty of cognitive dissonance, forming a strong opinion and not wanting to change regardless of new information.

[@matthewcino5728]

What you’re coming close to outlining is probably the best refutation of Destiny’s concerns here; I think it’s hard to argue with his critique of the decision from a legal perspective. But from a practical perspective, a lot of other organizational structures would have to “break” for things like the assisination of political opponents to happen. Only time will tell how much this will actually change presidential behavior in practice

[@10kanutt]

Setting aside that A Few Good Men is a play/movie loosely based on a real court case, it is therefore a rather poor real life example... the source Seal Team 6 gets trotted out because of the notoriety they have. But you're right that relying on the military to execute such an order is likely to rely on multiple layers of authority and the actual soldiers being willing to follow an unlawful order to commit murder. But the military is not the only institution the president has core powers over that has capable killers, and those other agencies can have fewer layers of leadership. The President could likely get access to a corruptly loyal spook willing to pull a trigger for him. But let's leave aside something as drastic as the President murdering people through his core powers. Let's say a new president comes to power who has never ever made any mention of pardons, but someone in federal prison wants to test whether or not that president is willing to take bribes. So they wire the president a bunch of money. If that prisoner is pardoned after that fact, you cannot charge the president for accepting the bribe, because there is not any of the public record that Chief Roberts described. The majority just fails to address these cases, and even worse, just dismisses them as melodrama.

[@lumayne8829]

@@matthewcino5728 I don't think our institutions are very far from that, The military is pretty far right and I wouldn't be surprised if a small team (like SEAL team 6) would be completely willing to do it.

[@FlamingPandas]

I do believe the president should have immunities, but take issue when they say about official acts that "Congress cannot act on, and courts cannot examine it" so it cannot be used as evidence for other crimes!!... Could a president be bribed to sell a pardon? It is a core duty and so "courts cannot examine it" It could be argued that a president talking with the vice president to discuss / convince him what to do about accepting election results is an official act, so that conversation cannot be used to establish other crimes! In fact that is exactly what Trump's legal team is arguing right now so...

[@TJackson4296]

@@lumayne8829 60+% of military members voted for Biden > Trump last election.

[@justinv588]

Roberts doesnt address different scenarios because that's not what they are ruling on. Those questions are kicked back down to lower courts to decide. This is cringe, Destiny pretending to be a constitutional lawyer.

[@aries8910]

Yet, Roberts conveniently claims that trumps actions in trying to steal the vote is immune. Weird how it is only ok when you agree w it 🤔

[@Amick2003]

So the Supreme Court up and implements a history defining law and isn’t even expected to address basic potential risks it could pose to citizens?

[@spacetoast7783]

Okay, so you're going to be happy when the lower court rules that Trump was acting unofficially, right? He's criminally liable for those unofficial acts, right?

[@justinv588]

@@spacetoast7783 If they find that he was acting outside of his official duties, then yes, bring it to trial. I am not against holding Trump accountable. I do have a problem with the selective prosecutions and the rewriting of laws in order to get him. All this heartburn about a ruling that everyone already presumed to be true about presidential immunity is ridiculous. Would you be happy with a ruling where Obama could be brought up on charges for killing a US citizen? I wouldn't. I understand there are certain decisions that the president needs to make without the burden of worrying about whether or not he's going to end up in Leavenworth.

[@ihaveachihuahau]

@@spacetoast7783 Buddy nobody cares about any fake crimes you made up. Lmfao. He's gonna be president again.

[@ElCatrinMuerto]

We can't even consider motive. Think about that. One of the key things you need to investigate a crime or find someone guilty of a crime is not allowed.

[@Inflorescensse]

Why doesn’t notorious exaggerator Mark Joseph Stern see it your way Destiny?

[@spacetoast7783]

Is Mark in the room with you right now?

[@ATXAdventure]

If this ruling is a dire as liberals are making it sound, they should use the ruling to deploy seal team 6 against their political rivals like they have been discussing. It would certainly be an interesting way to test it out.

[@spacetoast7783]

And Republicans would have no grounds to complain about it.

[@ATXAdventure]

@@spacetoast7783 They would just do it back.

[@DeusEx_Machina]

Dems have at least a modicum of respect for the Constitution. They ain't opening that can of worms. What "seal team 6" targeting have they discussed specifically?

[@colamity_5000]

Doing everything you can get away with is a Republican thing, democrats have some standards.

[@Tom-jy3in]

Yeah for sure, dems totally would start a civil war for the sake of hurting the other side... Oh wait that's something only a republican could do

[@OfficialCrashnet]

Destiny also misread the ruling and thinks that the random shit Sotomayor made up. Ordering the military to eliminate a political rival under the guise of a counter-terrorism operation would likely be viewed as an abuse of power and a clear violation of law. Such an act would be considered outside the scope of legitimate executive authority. If it can be demonstrated that the President's action was motivated by personal or political gain rather than national security interests, this would further support the argument that the act was not an official duty but an abuse of power. Historical and legal precedents where similar abuses of power have been prosecuted could be cited. There is no precedent that would protect a President from prosecution for ordering the illegal killing of a political rival. The government would need to argue that prosecuting the former President for this action would not impede the necessary functions of the Executive Branch. Given the severity and illegality of the act, it is unlikely that a prosecution in this case would be seen as intruding on executive authority. The ruling grants absolute immunity for actions within the President's exclusive constitutional authority. However, ordering the assassination of a political rival would not fall under the legitimate use of executive power or any constitutional authority. Reading anything else is being dishonest

[@ErnestoGluecksmann]

You should tell Trump this because I don't think that guy cares. He's going full dictator mode as soon he's able to.

[@humbleturtle3550]

How would a prosecutor prove that an assassination was politically motivated, they're not allowed to examine the motives of an official act.

[@Metaphix]

@@ErnestoGluecksmann Hyperbolic catastrophizing just like 2016

[@anthonyquigley9543]

@@OfficialCrashnet How would the Courts be able to look into it? Being the Commander-in-Chief is, to my understanding, a core power of being the President. Therefore, the Courts, according to this decision, cannot "adjudicate a criminal prosecution that examines such Presidential actions" (top of pg. 9). If they cannot adjudicate said action, there's no case.

[@dalooly]

That’s the argument, now they can argue that this thing they did for personal gain was official. If a court accepts it than it is no?

[@iNcog_AoE]

neither nor destiny nor august skipped the ad xd

[@opensocietyenjoyer]

it's called good manners

[@CurdBros]

I am amazed that the United States and the presidency made it this far with presidents having so much pressure to not break the law. Prior presidents just couldn't be nimble. However, now that they can be" nimble" and we have nothing to worry about.

[@peelsreklaw]

Somebody has been leaving candlesticks in the halls of the white house

[@georgebadey8071]

Robert gave you his answer and footnote 3 and you started to go to burden of proof out of nowhere and didn't address the fact that he says you can bring in evidence of things not concerning the actual official act. Disingenuous bud You're just making an argument now running with it.

[@DeusEx_Machina]

I think I heard him bring that in though. His issue was in criminal prosecution you need beyond all reasonable doubt, and to not be able to bring in direct evidence really hamstrings you.