Thanks to whoever came up with 'camel lozenge' and 'khaki calculator'. If you have any more ridiculous names for the C64 do let me know!
@C.I...5 жыл бұрын
Nigel. The bathroom. Nosy Boge. Gish. Disused railway siding soup. Wenali Raisins II. Disgusting Boat Boy. Galahad's Balls. Nobbert.
@Sharopolis5 жыл бұрын
I am VERY tempted to rename this video '3D Games That Really Push Disused Railway Siding Soup'. God know what the KZbin algorithm would make of that.
@mikimouse30015 жыл бұрын
Your videos are awesome , and you give off a good vibe with your narration. Now I'm gonna download some c64 3d games 😀
@Sharopolis5 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot!
@aqualung20005 жыл бұрын
@@Sharopolis Ballblazer was a good one.
@immortalsofar53145 жыл бұрын
Notice that the update area on the high res screens are inset horizontally? By reducing the drawable width from 320 to 256 pixels, it reduced the maths to single byte integers, it simplifies the maths enormously.
@patsfan4life4 жыл бұрын
Immortal SoFar interesting.....
@peterlamont6474 жыл бұрын
Couple that with zero page addressing and stack rendering. They also likely used lookup tables. No they definitely used lookup tables...lol for the texture wall data and color data. INC $02 LDA $02 PHA more clever code here... PLA STA 0400,X... you can burst 200+ values depending on your current stack usage. Couple that with 8 bit integers + sprites on a low res screen. BLAM you've got mood! If you shorten the width some more down to 255 from left to right, you can omit the logic to handle the 9th bit on sprite location X for all the sprites. HUGE savings there too.
@ArneChristianRosenfeldtАй бұрын
@@peterlamont647the 9 bit sprite thing is really nasty for a multiplexer. Commodore modified the 6502 for the C64 and designed the VIC-II. Going to 40 column text and no one thought that maybe we should include a B register. LDB STB would move 16 bit . ADB would ADC on 16 Bit for maths . Or have 16 bit X and Y regs. LDXX LDY STX STYY . So we could block copy everywhere or alternatively copy 16 bit values to a .. ah, sprites need an ID. We need two 8 bit addresses here.
@ArneChristianRosenfeldtАй бұрын
Bitmap graphics uses the same tiles as text mode. So in a first step you “rasterise” over the 40x25 tiles. Then you rasterise inside each tile (8x8). You only need to split long edges if they are odd. Some games may have mostly edges up to 64px. So you could even have 2 subpixel bits. Only Elite is hires. It has no inset.
@startedtech5 жыл бұрын
I just love 80s 3D, so ridiculously ambitious
@datavalisofficial87304 жыл бұрын
Ikr
@jaydy714 жыл бұрын
Even if it ran at a ridiculously glacial frame rate, it was absolutely magical to see 3D stuff with this level of aspiration, when even an "arcade perfect" version of donkey kong was still something to aspire to.
@Sinistar19834 жыл бұрын
If you look at the arduboy, that's the modern day equivalent to that.
@JimLeonard5 жыл бұрын
I never realized Space Rogue on the C64 had some anti-aliasing on some polygon edges -- really impressive!
@TNX2555 жыл бұрын
And on the font as it seems ;)
@Optimus61283 жыл бұрын
@@TNX255 Font is easy as it's painted by the artist and just stored in the bitmap data.
@McVaio3 жыл бұрын
Wow yeah, you're right. Pretty incredible.
@antonnym2145 жыл бұрын
I was a games programmer in the 70s and 80s on the TRS-80 Model I/III/IV. We had only a few 3D games and the graphics were very low-res. We even had the Sublogic flight simulator, but it was UGLI with very low frame rates, on the order of 1 fps. The solid polygon stuff was very impressive on the c64. nice video!
@Lucasrainford5 жыл бұрын
Disappointed you didn't include Mercenary, I loved that game, spent hours mapping it out and that led me onto Damocles on the Amiga. That game blew me away at the time :)
@Sharopolis5 жыл бұрын
That will appear in another upcoming video, so stay tuned.
@ufox775 жыл бұрын
Definitely deserves its own video, and a modern reboot!
@Nautilus19725 жыл бұрын
Mercenary - I was just thinking that!
@Leaddevo5 жыл бұрын
Mercenary wasn't quite as ambitious I'd say. I'd also say it's a better game than Elite, even if it didn't have the same cultural impact.
@dunjak1115 ай бұрын
"Mercenary - Escape from Targ". Thought I would find it in the comments.. :)
@yetidynamics5 жыл бұрын
The Sentinel would pre-render a 360 degree environment each time you moved, hence the long pause after each move. pretty clever. there is a PC clone out on the web for free
@jasonuk83335 жыл бұрын
I adored The Sentinel. One of my favourite games from a golden era.
@elmariachi51333 жыл бұрын
It's incredible fluent in fps. Being earth based instead of air, compared to flight sims, made 3d really viable in this game. they should have made more ground based 3d games ..also on Amiga.
@robmclaughjr2 жыл бұрын
Love The Sentinel, very tense
@sgerar375 жыл бұрын
Stellar 7 blew my mind back in the day. I loved the introduction where the different types of foes would zoom from afar, rotate for a while, and depart. Could watch it for hours!
@blindazabat95275 жыл бұрын
Geoff Crammon also wrote "Revs" for the C64. A Formula 3 simulator. Very good when you get to grips with it.
@OperationPhantom5 жыл бұрын
Nice selection and I enjoyed your comments very much! :) Battle Command is very impressive also... Encounter is fast and fun, even with its simple GFX. Scarabaeus is a scary 3D maze game, for its time quite the stunner! Mercenary and Moonfall are also interesting to check out!
@Lucasrainford5 жыл бұрын
Deffo Mercenary! yeah I remember Scarabaeus, was a strange one :)
@rud3m3chanical5 жыл бұрын
Moonfall looked gorgeous at the time, I remember that day/night cycle well.
@Algernon19705 жыл бұрын
Encounter was my 1st 3d game, and it blew me away how anything could be that fast and smooth. I'd started programming then, and drawing circles took several seconds in my code, and there was Encounter throwing them around like .. something fast and smooth.
@Larry5 жыл бұрын
Funny how 3D Stunt Car showed that the C64 was more than capable of doign 3D games, yet Star Wars was sprite based and Hard Drivin' was complete arse.
@Sharopolis5 жыл бұрын
Complete arse is putting it mildly!
@scottbreon94484 жыл бұрын
To be fair, none of the 8-bit conversions of Hard Drivin' were particularly good. While the Spectrum port was better than the C64 version, it was still rather shite. Truthfully, aside from the Megadrive port, I never really enjoyed any home version of Hard Drivin'
@Rothron3 жыл бұрын
@@scottbreon9448 I would claim that not even the Hard Drivin' arcade machine had sufficient power to run Hard Drivin'. It's most notable feature was the force feedback steering wheel. Frame rate was pretty bad.
@Rothron3 жыл бұрын
I rather enjoyed Star Wars on the C64. Played it a lot. Only the crosshairs and visible x-wing parts were sprites as I recall.
@scottbreon94483 жыл бұрын
@@Rothron I wouldn't necessarily call the arcade version shit, but I do agree that it's pretty mediocre and uninspiring.
@jamiewilliamson98295 жыл бұрын
Watching a C64 related video the day after going to the 8-bit Symphony. What a performance it was!
@lujho4 жыл бұрын
Holy shit, is that honest-to-god *anti-aliasing* I see on some of the Space Rogue stuff?! That’s impressive!
@ryanjones19383 жыл бұрын
It was an incredible game.. it could track three ships at the same time not including your ship. It was fast too and far superior to elite, but it came much later too.
@ryanjones19388 ай бұрын
By the way, I completed it. You have to return the stolen manchi egg to the machi queen on their homeland. There's something you need to find in the station where something went wrong and it's full of monsters.
@jjdigitalvideosolutionsllc53434 жыл бұрын
Surprised that you picked Project Stealth Fighter over Gunship. The filled polygons of Gunship and being a helicopter sim made it a stand-out from other MicroProse flight simulators.
@Exitof995 жыл бұрын
Way back when, I "cracked" Space Rogue using Fast Hack `Em's Sector Editor. The protection was a "xth word on page y" set up, but simply changed all the words to the same word. Then I began hacking the save files, figuring out what each byte represented and pushing the limits. Wound up with a overpowered laser that would take down capital ships with ease. Keep the solar winds backside.
@Rothron5 жыл бұрын
I expected to see Rescue on Fractalus and/or The Eidolon.
@Lucasrainford5 жыл бұрын
Yeah they were great games! I remember almost shooting one in the back of the net when that alien banged on the window in Fractalus!
@Nautilus19725 жыл бұрын
Fractalus on the Atari, yes.
@Exitof995 жыл бұрын
Did you have the voice activated fire button?
@Leaddevo5 жыл бұрын
@@Nautilus1972 Amen, that game was incredible and a big step over Fractulus
@vapourmile3 жыл бұрын
Rescue on Fractalus / Koronis Rift / The Eidolon are three of the greatest technical achievement ever on the Commodore 64 They're overlooked because too many people who are games players are not programmers and don't appreciate what went into them.
@stuartharvey22013 жыл бұрын
@Sharopolis Loved the video. Slightly surprised not to see Battle Command in there, although it was very late in the C64's commercial life.
@Marius-vw9hp5 жыл бұрын
Stunt car racer was my favourite game as a kid. I never knew which tape it was on though, so it was pretty much random when I got to play it.
@jonasthemovie5 жыл бұрын
Marius VanDamme Played endlessly on my first 286, knew it by heart and can still feel it down my spine.
@Marius-vw9hp5 жыл бұрын
@@jonasthemovie 286? Did you run it in DOS? What graphics card did you have? I remember a friend of mine had a 386 (or his parents anyway) and we played kings quest on it :p
@jonasthemovie5 жыл бұрын
Marius VanDamme Ran it in MS-DOS, had EGA in that computer but have no idea what card.
@stefanweilhartner44154 жыл бұрын
i played it on the amiga. it was great and we also played it with two amigas connected together via serial interface
@stelleratorsuprise818511 ай бұрын
I liked Encounter on the C64 a lot, it had some kind of FPV with 3D effect and it was really fast.
@arnolddalby55525 жыл бұрын
The C64 was a brilliant computer and the 6502 a fond friend. It's assembler language was simple with 3 registers A,X,Y. Of course symmetrical microprocessors can easily be hacked by reversing the instruction like Jump Z to Jump NZ. I am surprised that no one on earth has thought of creating an asymmetrical microprocessor that is difficult to hack. Anyway, great video I remember playing a few of those games. Haha.
@andrewwilliams56555 жыл бұрын
I think Ballblazer and Tau Ceti were about as 3D as it got on my C64 back in the day. I had no idea that someone attempted Doom on the system, although it doesn't surprise me given the enthusiasm that people still have for this machine. Great video!
@Exitof995 жыл бұрын
Tau Ceti is one of my favorites. Never did complete it, though.
@arostwocents Жыл бұрын
Doom is on the Spectrum several times over. I played a clone called Borsch last night.
@scottbreon944816 күн бұрын
Tau Ceti was good, too bad the sequel never got ported to the C64
@douggale59625 жыл бұрын
Stunt Track Racer was absolutely incredible, huge respect to the developers. Seems like it maybe isn't that hard right? The C64 did not have a multiply instruction, at all. Didn't have a barrel shifter either, could only shift one bit. Good luck doing enough arithmetic on vectors to shake a stick at. Everything had to be done with a brilliant combination of approximation and lookup tables.
@patsfan4life4 жыл бұрын
Doug Gale I knew it had to be hard.....
@TotalMK5 жыл бұрын
Surprised you didn't have "Castle Master" in this video. It was made by Domark and would go on to be the base tech for 3D engines on PC.
@bjornnilden2605 жыл бұрын
Castle master does have real 3d. Not some doom-shit like 3d :) So it would definitely be on this list. As well as 3d construction kit.
@TotalMK5 жыл бұрын
@@bjornnilden260 Well I used to make Doom levels, and the 3D idea is pretty much the same as Castle Master, using square sectors of different sizes to make rooms with 4 walls a roof and a floor.
@scottbreon944816 күн бұрын
Actaully Domark were only the publishers, it was made by Incentive Software
@romaneberle3 жыл бұрын
REVS+, Mercenary, Rescue on Fractalus, Infiltrator, Echelon
@KabukiKid29 күн бұрын
Echelon was a pretty unique one because it came with the "Lip Stick" controller headset. Basically a headset with a mic that you wore on your head and plugged into joy port 2. In order to fire you said, "FIRE." It was pretty silly, because I think anything you said worked... and if you had a second joystick, you could just hit the fire button for that joystick, instead. The headset was just a glorified joystick fire button, but it was novel for the time.
@guidomersmann97445 жыл бұрын
You should check out „Scarabeus“. It has a doom like environment and a quite scary atmosphere.
@gant69623 жыл бұрын
The sentinel had a great sequel. Playing it on PC now. If you liked the sentinel then Sentinel Returns is a must have. Just try not to get malware when finding a download. Edit: A Unity game I am making called The Synthoid is almost done. I can update you all when it is out.
@medes5597 Жыл бұрын
How did your game go?
@blendingsentinel4797 Жыл бұрын
@@medes5597 This is the new account of Gant6962. We did not finish the game and it is on hold. We plan to restart in Godot or O3DE instead Unity but that will be a while.
@jontiummorkimus71113 жыл бұрын
I saw a Dungeon Master clone running on the C64 in a video here on KZbin recently, very slick 3D movement and far less blocky than the Wolfenstein clone. A very impressive achievement that looks as though it could be turned into a polished finished product.
@nagualdesign5 жыл бұрын
There was another 3D game from the 8-bit era, which IIRC was called _Interferon._ You played the part of a computer hacker, moving around the 3D environment 'inside' the computer, interacting with things that would bypass security systems in 'the real world'. I think there was a map in the corner showing your accomplice's progress through a building, and it was up to you in 'the virtual world' to meddle with the CCTV and wotnot so that your mate could make progress. At least that's how I remember it! I've tried Googling it but found nothing, as the results are all about the biochemistry of _interferon_ (lower-case i).
@Sharopolis5 жыл бұрын
Interphase might be what you're thinking of, weirdly I also remembered it as Interpheron too for some reason. An interesting game that's going to be in my very next video...
@nagualdesign5 жыл бұрын
@@Sharopolis Yes, that's it! I wonder if it was renamed for the British audience? _Interferon_ sticks in my mind because, at around 12 years old, it was the first time I'd ever heard the word. I then found out that it was some sort of antiviral medicine, and understood that the game was called Interferon because it was all about computer viruses.
@Sharopolis5 жыл бұрын
That is really weird, because I have the same memory about that word too!
@rzeka3 жыл бұрын
I can't believe how smooth the scrolling is in The Sentinel
@johnknight91505 жыл бұрын
Space Rogue looks amazing.
@stuartbrownlee31085 жыл бұрын
As far as Elite on the c64 is concerned, I am increasingly wondering which, er, world I live in now, or lived in. See, I remember there was Blue Danube docking music, and there were, um...tribbles? If no-one can verify this, then...damn, I must've travelled far.
@brundaged15 жыл бұрын
I believe the auto-dock ship upgrade you could purchase in the game did play Blue Danube. And there were definitely tribbles.
@Sharopolis5 жыл бұрын
Yeah the music was only in the auto-docking sequence. I looked around for the 'trubbles' as I think they were called, but didn't find them for this vid, though they are there.
@Barcrest5 жыл бұрын
Tribbles were in the first release and were omitted in later versions.
@KabukiKid29 күн бұрын
@@Barcrest That's interesting that they were later omitted. I definitely remember them and I remember the only way to truly get rid of them was to eject from your ship in your escape pod and just get a new ship. lol They were definitely "trubble." ;-) Oh... and I can confirm that the C64 version did have "Blue Danube" as the docking computer music. ;-)
@Chalky.5 жыл бұрын
It was probably more of a utility than a game but I had a lot of fun playing on 3D construction kit on the C64.
@TheSulross5 жыл бұрын
3D games were the camel's nose under the tent - transforming gaming from something that a single individual could potentially master to write their own game (many today have mastered writing new C64 games - some very impressive, like Planet X) to the world we inhabit now where only large teams and big corporate budgets can create new games
@Sharopolis5 жыл бұрын
Good point, 90's 3D was a huge revolution - not just in technology, but how games were made too.
@lurkerrekrul4 жыл бұрын
The Sentinel - My biggest problem with this game is that I could never tell which way the sentinel was facing. It moved in jumps and I was never sure if it was turning toward or away from me. Made it kind of hard to plan my moves when I had no idea which way I should be going. Project Stealth Fighter - This game was the result of much speculation as to what the U.S. Air Force's new stealth plane would look like and be capable of. As I recall, there were even plastic model kits of this design, although I don't remember if the game copied the kits or if the kits copied the game. Obviously, the design ended up being way off, not to mention the F-19 designation. :)
@yadgar19699 ай бұрын
Mercenary? Koronis Rift? Rescue on Fractalus? Stellar 7? And, not to forget: Spindizzy!
@patrikwallander5 жыл бұрын
There are many more as Chuck Yeager Advanced Flight Trainer, Revs, Driller, 3d Tennis, 3d Pool.
@tygattyche25455 жыл бұрын
Gunship, Mercenary and REVS eare games i am missing in the list. But Driller... Great game, fantastic soundtrack but the 3D-graphic is a bit too slow for that game IMHO.
@Exitof995 жыл бұрын
Fly high enough in Chuck Yeager and reach space!
@scottbreon944816 күн бұрын
Invaders of the Lost Tomb (Scarabaeus to you in Europe) was another one.
@lundsweden3 жыл бұрын
We got that intro music in Australia too. The good thing about owning a C64 in the late 80s was you could share disks with friends. It became more common at the end of the decade to own one as the price went lower and lower!
@TNX2555 жыл бұрын
Space Rogue really looks like a game that, if played on an emulator at, say, 1.5 or 2 times CPU speed would be very enjoyable. The graphics were very nice and inviting and if the story is even half decent then yeah, a great one to try.
@Sharopolis5 жыл бұрын
It's already pretty enjoyable even at normal speed. It may not come across so well on the video, but it feels good to play. I didn't get that far in it, but the story does seem pretty interesting too.
@JoeUrbanYYC3 жыл бұрын
Great vid. What I love about these kinds of videos is they always jog my memory about games I had forgotten existed. The most annoying aspect of project stealth fighter (which is shown in this clip) is it coloured the 'ground' based on whatever was more than 50% in view. So if you were heading towards water the ground and water would both be green until water made up 51% and then both would be blue. I remember that irritating me as a kid.
@theyamo72194 жыл бұрын
Everyone: filled Vector polygon graphics cannot be done well on a C64...just look at Hard Drivin' Jeff Crammond: Hold my beer
@Hologhoul2 жыл бұрын
"A handful of mangled pipe-cleaners on a snooker table" 😄
@klenchr36214 жыл бұрын
Glad you mentioned space rogue. Fantastic game. Played it first on ms dos and then c64. Would love to see a remaster or home brew add ons
@DS-pk4eh Жыл бұрын
I played Elite so much on my C64. It was so great game. Some years later I would write my graduation work "3D graphics on computers". I used C64 and Simon's Basic to create 3D objects. It was SOOOOOO SLOW, it would took 5 hours for one image to be done (wireframed, not the ray tracing). What a great time
@tomsuzyinfluencerinfj27124 жыл бұрын
Space Rogue, one of the best C64 games. Played it to death
@Renville805 жыл бұрын
And then there’s Spindizzy. 386 screens of map data condensed into 14K of memory along with the main game code.
@tygattyche25455 жыл бұрын
Well Spindizzy has some really fast screen-redraw routines but it is lacking things like scrolling, rotating and thus.
@Barcrest5 жыл бұрын
It wasn't 3d as such it was isometric.
@jaysmith28585 жыл бұрын
I'm sure I've heard you narrate more 'mainstream' stuff. If not, you certainly sound very familiar. Your narration/videos certainly deserve more views based on this one alone.
@Barcrest5 жыл бұрын
Mark radcliff you are thinking of.
@jaysmith28585 жыл бұрын
Maybe.
@khristanne4 жыл бұрын
You have the manner of a “how it’s made” host. I like that ish.
@Djwhiskers3 жыл бұрын
If these were cutting edge for these systems then it really puts into perspective how crazy good terry davies' was with his temple os with games such as talon
@blazer666del5 жыл бұрын
I can most definitely say that intro music was on the UK version of Elite, I still have my orignal game ...
@Sharopolis5 жыл бұрын
Someone else pointed that out too, a slip up on my part, sorry!
@peterzerfass460910 ай бұрын
Flight Simulator, F-15 Strike Eagle and Rescue on Fractulus also come to mind. At the time they were mind blowing.
@Geenimetsuri5 жыл бұрын
One game I loved that was at least partly 3D was Advanced Tactical Fighter or, as it was commonly known, ATF. The polygon landscape under the sprite plane was absolutely awesome.
@mrbronstein Жыл бұрын
I may have misheard you, but I am almost 99.99% sure I purchase Space Rogue on Disk. So wasn't tape only. Secondly, very surprised you left Mercenary off this list. For me its 3D performance was far better than nearly any other C64 game. Big thumbs up for Sentinel and SCR!
@michaelhill64532 жыл бұрын
Space Rogue was the game I always wanted. Disc drives were big in Australia but I could never track this one down.
@briansrcadventures13165 жыл бұрын
a VR remake of Stunt Car Racer would be fun!
@nialltracey25994 жыл бұрын
If you enjoy projectile vomiting.
@franzcrack3 ай бұрын
You did not mention Snow Strike. A so little-known flight and combat simulator, similar to Project Stealth Fighter, yet even more impressive, that deserves consideration IMO.
@SlyPearTree5 жыл бұрын
I would replace Project Stealth Fighter with Gunship, I spent as much time playing that as I did Elite.
@KabukiKid29 күн бұрын
Yeah, Gunship was a hardcore addiction for me, as well. I did also love Project Stealth Fighter, but Gunship was the one I loved the most of that type of game. :-)
@leeh35685 жыл бұрын
@sharopolis Love these vids on technical 8bit issues and ur Autopsy vids likr ur style of delivery as well..look forward to ur next vid.
@Sharopolis5 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@Domarius645 жыл бұрын
15:18 "You picked up a shoot-gun!" XD
@Domarius643 жыл бұрын
Finally! A gun that shoots!
@lurch6665 жыл бұрын
Completed space rogue back in the day.loved that game. Elite with a plot.
@toadieC19705 жыл бұрын
As others have said, no Mercenary, The Eidolon, Rescue on Fractalus, Tau Ceti, Driller.. maybe a Part II video then?
@mooseyman745 жыл бұрын
Loved mercenary 👍🏻
@Sharopolis5 жыл бұрын
Part two one day I hope.
@scottbreon94485 жыл бұрын
Don't forget Dark Side (sequel to Driller)
@theyamo72194 жыл бұрын
Driller ran at a SNAIL'S pace on the C64. As did all the other Freescape games
@exidy-yt8 ай бұрын
That Elite version's theme song was NOT limited to the German version, my pirated copy in Canada of the North American release of Elite had the same song. As soon as I heard the first notes the whole thing came back instantly. What a great game. Another 3D game I really enjoyed was Mercenary: Escape from Targ. Mainly because it had VERY realistic falling physics. When falling out of the space station in low orbit (which was all too easy to do) or ejecting from your stolen fighter before being shot down you would tumble to the earth in a genuinely nauseating way. For years my friends and I judged 3D games by if they had 'the mercenary on targ effect' for their physics.
@MarioTorre4 жыл бұрын
When you think you need an i5 and 2giga to run Firefox decently and the average webpage is about 4 megabytes, this is pretty impressive.
@Hologhoul2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant and fascinating video! I loved my C64 but aside from Elite didn't play these games.
@saganandroid41759 күн бұрын
Let's take a moment to appreciate the software company behind Scarabaeus was called "AriolaSoft". It's not the traditional spelling but still amusing.
@nelchid2 жыл бұрын
My favourite 3d game for the C64 was the brilliant, Mercenary. I waisted many years as a child flying around that "MASSIVE" alien planet..... Targ!
@scottythegreat14 ай бұрын
I like to highlight the game Stealth Originally for the Atari 8-bit computers, it was ported over to the C64. Stealth may have been a very simple form of 3D, but it is still a SNES mode 7 style game before the SNES existed.
@RealRedRabbit3 жыл бұрын
Did you rerer to the C64 as a "camel lozenge" and the "brown thunder"? Omg I almost choked on my tea
@10MARC5 жыл бұрын
Wow. There were a few on here I had never seen. Space Rogue seems very nice - I will have to track that down!
@EelkodeVos5 жыл бұрын
Great list, but Cholo really should've been in there too. Played that a lot. Originally created for the BBC Micro in '86 but quickly ported to the C64 too.
@immortalsofar53143 жыл бұрын
You'll notice that most of the games where speed is required have vertical borders of approx, 3 characters per side. This drops the horizontal resolution from 320 bits to 255 meaning the maths can work on 8 bit numbers, pretty much halving the computing power required for calculations.
@EATABAGOFHELL3 жыл бұрын
The modern version of this trick is setting your 1366x768 pixel laptop monitor to run at 1360x768 instead, since there are a lot of rendering algorithms that work better when the screen's evenly divisible into chunks of 8x8 or 16x16 pixels.
@josyfkristopher43205 жыл бұрын
The C64 has kneecapped by both a slower CPU than the BBC but also the fact that the 2MHz CPU of the BBC was coupled with 4MHz memory so there was no memory contention - part of the reason that the Beeb cost so much more. Even so, the Amstrad still managed superior graphics to the Beeb using the same video controller.
@josyfkristopher43205 жыл бұрын
One other part is that the C64's cell style memory layout was not conducive to fast 3D - programmers either had to develop rather convoluted routines, or map out the graphics off-screen and then convert them on the fly resulting in a lot of inefficient double handling.
@gochem3013 Жыл бұрын
Now I see those 3D games on C64. It's like being an Early N64 games.
@HelloKittyFanMan.5 жыл бұрын
So this game "Mood" was designed to be a parody of Doom? Oh, yep! ;-D
@Arjay822 жыл бұрын
8:23 How on earth does that run so smooth and Hard Drivin' on the Sega Genesis is an unplayable 5fps?!
@KingofPotatoPeople5 жыл бұрын
My c64 elite had that opening theme. It was in a compilation of Sci Fi games....definitely UK, had the UK manual with the backstory. How interesting.
@quint35702 жыл бұрын
The Darkwheel! Loved that
@deavo7411 ай бұрын
The C64 version had turn based multiplayer, not link mode between two computers. You’re are right that the Amiga/ST did as I played this often! I loved to be proved wrong about the C64 link mode but it isn’t on my version.
@dbranconnier19775 жыл бұрын
What about 'Beyond The Forbidden Forest', 'BallBlazer', 'Marble Madness', 'Delta Man' and 'Platoon'?
@KaufmansCurse5 жыл бұрын
Ballblazer's a good shout. Also Koronis Rift from Lucasfilm. And Scarabeus which is not only 3d but perhaps one of the best games on the c64 full stop...
@litjellyfish4 жыл бұрын
Not really 3D except Ballblazer
@patsfan4life4 жыл бұрын
Some of these are 2.5D like Beyond FF
@scottbreon94484 жыл бұрын
Marble Madness was complete shit on the C64. Marble Madness without mouse/trackball support is bound to be shit. That's why the Amiga port shits all over the C64 version. Plus the music on the C64 version sounds like it was made by a tonedeaf retard. That's usually the case when an AMERICAN does the music on the C64.
@jpjokela14 жыл бұрын
Nice list, but few games I'd definitely add: Rescue on Fractalus (1984): Long into 1990's, many flight simulators had flat ground with occassional pyramid depicting mountains. This game had procedurally generated 3D fractal mountains back in 1984. Battle Command (1991): A bit more "arcade" tank game with rather fast filled vector graphics. Chuck Yeager's Advanced Flight Trainer (1987): Felt faster than many other flight sims, filled vectors. Mercenary (1985): Non-filled vectors, more impressive for being open world "on planet" game. Tau Ceti (1986): Interesting 3D engine, not vectors as such, but filled, and shaded based on light direction. Revs (1986): Maybe not as "3D" as the other games named here, but a 3D F1 racing game for C64, with VERY good framerate. Unsurprisingly, Geoff Crammond once again. 3D Construction Kit (1991): Yes, Freescape engine is damn slow. But I find it impressive they managed to make "in-engine" editor for games for C64.
@vast6342 жыл бұрын
You should also include the C64 version of mercenary. A 3D exploration game with FPS controls and Flight, on a pretty big city map, and indoor environments.
@AppliedCryogenics2 жыл бұрын
I remember being kinda impressed with the C64 port of "Power Drift".
@scottbreon944816 күн бұрын
That wasn't really 3D though
@MonsieurRitournelle5 жыл бұрын
And Scarabeus ! ;)
@Exitof995 жыл бұрын
Yes! Or Raiders of the Lost Tomb as it was known stateside. That game was creepy and amazing for it's time.
@KaufmansCurse5 жыл бұрын
@@Exitof99 oh, that's a good name. Didn't know it was called that in the US. Great, great game.
@scottbreon94484 жыл бұрын
@@Exitof99 Actually it was called Invaders of the Lost Tomb, not Raiders. www.mobygames.com/game/c64/invaders-of-the-lost-tomb
@deavo7411 ай бұрын
0:54 I’m sure it has been mentioned, given this is a 4 year old video, that this music was probably on all versions. It was on my UK version.
@jeanvelo81102 ай бұрын
I am surprised nobody mentioned Gate of the Ancients. It is rather fast with filled polygons and dithering.
@janpolak624924 күн бұрын
I would personally mention The Train: Escape to Normandy. While not true "3D" it was pretty much open world and the supposed third dimension would be the so many varied screens around train giving almost 360 look.
@JohnDRobinsonelectronicdrums5 жыл бұрын
a great video as usual ! my favourite 3d games were Super Huey, Stellar 7 and Rescue on Fractalus!
@Sharopolis5 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@JohnDRobinsonelectronicdrums5 жыл бұрын
@@Sharopolis you're welcome!
@C64_Mat2 жыл бұрын
Rescue on Fractalus was amazing!
@Dr.Quarex5 жыл бұрын
Space Rogue is such a good game that it was the first MS-DOS game from my childhood that I went back to and finally beat on the DOS machine my friend and I built as adults, haha. Spectacular cheesy box art, too.
@verficationaccount5 жыл бұрын
My favourites (not vector-based though): Deflector, The Eidolon, Trailblazer - these were a good bit faster than the games you picked ;-)
@FunnyBunnyHelena3 жыл бұрын
Trailblazer, I played that a lot!
@EATABAGOFHELL3 жыл бұрын
think Space Rogue ran a smidge smoother on the Apple II. actually you can kinda tell it was designed for that system first and foremost just from the art design; the ship colors for the four main factions are orange, green, blue and purple. also from the fact that it says "ORIGIN" on the box.
@Fuuntag4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for putting the time into making this video I enjoyed it quite a lot!
@kloakovalimonada4 жыл бұрын
Kudos for not dwelling on the 80s like most of lists like this!
@orderofmagnitude-TPATP5 жыл бұрын
Loved stunt racer... I was gutted I couldn't get it on console
@beep29973 жыл бұрын
Same but I can't play Minecraft on my big switch
@peterlamont6475 жыл бұрын
Hey you forgot a relatively obscure commercial title with scrolling 3D. It seems like it sold reasonably well, but I don't see much about it these days at all...which leads me to think perhaps it was only selling well in the US. It's called "Invaders of the Lost Tomb". It plays very much like an indiana jones game, but he his not mentioned. Instead you and your pet...rabbit or something go around in this 3D tomb with other minigames thrown in. The 3D scrolling is fast and astonishingly smooth. When I got back into the commodore...that was one of the games I wanted to find again. That and the Sentry(love that you mentioned this one!!!), time tunnel, war in middle earth, skate or die, and a list of others... By the way, when we got the Sentry, we got it with no manual(from a discount used software bin which is where we got almost all our games). It took us (My brothers and I) a couple years of occasionally trying it out aimlessly when we got bored of other games until we finally one day figured out how to play it. Then it was on! It was the cool 3D landscapes that kept us coming back and disintegrating trees that kept us coming back.
@Sharopolis5 жыл бұрын
Invaders of the lost tomb nearly made it in, but I just sort of ran out of time, a really good game though!
@KaufmansCurse5 жыл бұрын
@@Sharopolis Amazing game. Called Scarabeus in the UK I think. Pls add and repost. It deserves some reminiscence!
@madblank3 жыл бұрын
Stunt Car Racer and The Sentinel are such good games... Even today.
@nellitheretrogamer86662 жыл бұрын
There was a commercial release of The Sentinel for PC during the 1990s. The main difference was that it was a much faster game; the 3D graphics cards of the time of course didn't have any trouble rendering the rather simple graphics. Interestingly, this was not such a good thing. The long draw times in the C64 version meant that you had more time to think what your next move would be, giving the game a much more strategic feel. In the PC version you just had to react as fast as possible.
@rodzandz3 жыл бұрын
Are you joking mate? How could you forget Total Eclipse?! If there's an impressive 3D game for the c64 it's definitely that one.
@Eightbitswide5 жыл бұрын
Where is Rescue on Fractalus?
@KaufmansCurse5 жыл бұрын
And/or Koronis Rift!
@theyamo72194 жыл бұрын
All three of the lucasfilm games should have at least gotten an honorable mention
@starcrashr4 жыл бұрын
Space Rogue looks like it was probably a big influence on Star Fox.
@alexanderwingeskog7585 жыл бұрын
The first I got (3D C64 games) was Harrier Combat Simulator and it was amazing! A bit later I got Acrojet and that blew my mind back then. Stunt car was really great also! But by the time I got it, my friend with he's Amiga 500 got it also and the framerate was a tad bit better... Still great on the C64 though!
@mercster3 жыл бұрын
To this day, I am amazed at C64 graphics. It was so ahead of the pack. I had an Apple IIe :-(
@polherverolland5 жыл бұрын
Stunt car racer was great, even on a c64. A prequel to trackmania I think.